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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: justas696661 on April 20, 2015, 06:23:54 AM
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Hi all :)
still thinking to buy hyosung gt650cc 2007, and first of all - it sound like a china crap but looks like it's Korean, What u think about this bike ??? V form engine 650cc sound great but there is not that much Kw like others 650cc
that's me (test ride)
(http://i.imgur.com/76u2AR4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/l61kxZh.jpg)
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Probably the wrong place to ask your question.
Personally, with all the phenomenal new product from most manufacturers at very competititve pricing, I don't know why anyone would roll the dice with something from China. If I wouldn't trust their QC with kids toys and pharmaceuticals, I certainly wouldn't bet my neck on a motorcycle. Sorry if this inflames the "China only produces crap because greedy, evil Western companies demand that they do" debate - but you asked for opinions.
Call me a snob, but just having to tell people I ride a Hyosung, then repeat the name, then spell the name, then tell people it's built in PRC, then tell them that it's actually a lot of bike for the money ad infinatum would drive me nuts.
Seems like the legit Japanese firms have plenty of compelling product at the lower end of the spectrum (yes- and they are made in Thailand. No- I don't have any issue with Thai production lines).
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I'd buy a three year old used Japanese bike--and the related dealer networks and parts availability--rather than a brand new Hyosung.
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Hyosung bikes are made in South Korea.
Originally, Hyosung produced Suzuki engines under licence for the Korean market.
Since the 1980s, they have produced their own designs.
China is not involved.
Stephen
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Hyosung from Korea was the frame maker for Suzuki when square tube frames were da bomb. The similarities with the VStrom show the bloodline. One of our training sites used the 250's briefly. Brake pads falling apart and no factory/dealer support. Ride it for what it is-disposable, like a Bic lighter.
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Hyosung from Korea was the frame maker for Suzuki when square tube frames were da bomb. The similarities with the VStrom show the bloodline. One of our training sites used the 250's briefly. Brake pads falling apart and no factory/dealer support. Ride it for what it is-disposable, like a Bic lighter.
I probably wouldn't buy one. Our Honda dealer has VERY nice Hondas and Suzukis in all configurations for not much money.
I guess us of the generation that went through buying the original Japanese products (not motorcycles, but everything else) made out of GI beer cans and bomb casing scrap that had "Made in Japan" be a synonym for "Junk", and who see so much "Made in China" junk today, and who will probably see "Made in Borneo" go through the same thing, would rather not take a chance on the highways on something like this. The extra money for a Suzuki of the same size and configuration really isn't that much.
Lannis
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It's like going to a steak house for a medium rare rib eye and having the waitress bring you tofu.
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I asked myself to answer this question and 2 people responded. ???
First respondent: Brian 12 years ago and getting his first ever street bike. This Brian is 31 but hasn't ridden a motorcycle since he was 18 when rode dirt/motocross bikes from about the age of 8 to 18. He knows absolutely nothing of branding, bike snobbery, nor dangers of lack of parts, etc., etc. In some ways, this Brian "might" be a better respondent here.
"Hyosung is made in Korea. This GV250 is nicer than the other cruisers of the same size and actually looks like a real motorcycle. Sharp too. It's like $1500 less than the others as well. I'm just buying this thing for transport only. Better brakes and handling than a scooter. I'm getting it"
Second respondent: Boring me now who has probably logged about 100k miles on bikes and owned about 10 or more motorcycles since.
"No. And for the reasons mentioned."
For the record, I bought that brand new 250, drove it about 2500 very pleasing miles and it proved more reliable than many a more expensive motorcycle I owned afterwards. Sold it to a guy who bought it for his wife - only lost about $500 off the very marked down sticker price I paid. Would I do it again now having all my bike "knowledge" per se? No. Does the product substantiate such aversion? Probably not. I have not heard many horror stories with Hyosung and have certainly experienced far worse with many more reputable brands.
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PArdon my ignorance of this bike's lineage. Sounds like the same story with Sim, the Taiwanese manufacturer who has made the Honda Cub under license for decades. The Sim scooters are supposed to be very nice. In this case, it seems like another firm just trying to run its own show. Who knows, they might become the next Samsung. I think the comment about dealer support might be my only hesitation in that case.
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Guzzi riders consider dealer support in their choice of bike ??? So I guess the limited MG dealers is the limit.....any less and it is a problem. ;D JK......kind of odd to hear "limited dealer support" as a factor in choosing a bike here.
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I've been to Korea quite a few times. Almost every motorcycle I ever saw close enough to identify was a Hyosung. Many of them are working motorcycles. FWIW, Koreans are riding plenty of them.
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Seems like an SV650 would be a better purchase, if that's the kind of bike you wanted...
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Guzzi riders consider dealer support in their choice of bike ??? So I guess the limited MG dealers is the limit.....any less and it is a problem. ;D JK......kind of odd to hear "limited dealer support" as a factor in choosing a bike here.
I see dealer support as a central issue "because" I own a Guzzi. Have I experienced parts delays? Check. Have I hauled a Guzzi over 250 miles for warranty work on multiple occasions. Check. Do I want yet another bike in my garage that is not a Guzzi that might entail these things? Che...no. :BEER:
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I've been to Korea quite a few times. Almost every motorcycle I ever saw close enough to identify was a Hyosung. Many of them are working motorcycles. FWIW, Koreans are riding plenty of them.
Kind of hard to go by what folks in a completely different culture might be satisfied with, compared to what you or I might consider "satisfactory" performance, longevity, etc in the USA ... Not saying better or worse, mind you, just different.
Lannis
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Seems like an SV650 would be a better purchase, if that's the kind of bike you wanted...
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Most of the negative things you hear have been said about Hyundai too but you see them all over the place and so far, I've seen more of everything else stuck along the road than Hyundais.
Out here I see a lot of Hyosung bikes. When it comes to dealer support, surely that can't be too much of a problem, this is a Guzzi forum ;D
It isn't like Kawasaki Ninja engines aren't being replaced so much that they are called expendable items eh?
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Our Guzzi dealer in Prescott sells them, his parts guy races them and does pretty good. Think of it as a Korean Suzuki. If the bike fits you and your needs, go for it.
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I've been riding MCs for over 50 years and the 1 Suzuki twin I bought new has been the most trouble free bike I've ever owned. ;-T Most my other bikes have been Guzzi or Yamaha twins.
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In response to Pharmaceuticals, No antibiotics are made in the USA any longer. They are made in China or India. More and more things are being offshored in this country and someday it will come back to bite us.
I spent a lot of time in Korea, and those bikes are pretty dang durable. Koreans are not noted for keeping up on maintenance, and their bikes do take a beating.
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The Hyosong 650's are basically an SV650. They are quite popular out here and are virtually trouble free as far as I can make out.
As far as their durability is concerned our local dealer told me a tale a few years ago now about a young Asian kid who had come here to do a big tour, I can't remember where he was from? Either Japan or Korea I'd expect. Anyway he'd never ridden a 'Manual' motorbike before, only twist and go scooters. He bought a Hyosong 650 and rode it across the Nullabor from Perth not realizing it had more than one gear! He apparently stuck it in first and then rode it at the limiter/valve bounce for 2,000 miles! It finally dropped a valve just outside Queanbeyan and was towed to the local shop where warranty was honoured and he got a whole new motor! I have no reason to doubt the veracity of this tale as the shop owner in question is perfectly honest and had nothing to gain by spinning me a line. He lives in Bungendore, I've known him for twenty five years or more. Apparently after they'd slotted the new motor in they took the young lad out and showed him the other five gears. He was mightily impressed! :D
Pete
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A billion Hyo scooters in Taipei can't be wrong. Those & Kymco's!
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The Hyosong 650's are basically an SV650. They are quite popular out here and are virtually trouble free as far as I can make out.
As far as their durability is concerned our local dealer told me a tale a few years ago now about a young Asian kid who had come here to do a big tour, I can't remember where he was from? Either Japan or Korea I'd expect. Anyway he'd never ridden a 'Manual' motorbike before, only twist and go scooters. He bought a Hyosong 650 and rode it across the Nullabor from Perth not realizing it had more than one gear! He apparently stuck it in first and then rode it at the limiter/valve bounce for 2,000 miles! It finally dropped a valve just outside Queanbeyan and was towed to the local shop where warranty was honoured and he got a whole new motor! I have no reason to doubt the veracity of this tale as the shop owner in question is perfectly honest and had nothing to gain by spinning me a line. He lives in Bungendore, I've known him for twenty five years or more. Apparently after they'd slotted the new motor in they took the young lad out and showed him the other five gears. He was mightily impressed! :D
Pete
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The days of judging something just because of where it is made should be a thing of the past.
The Chinese bought Pirelli BTW. You never know, they could buy Piaggio too.
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The days of judging something just because of where it is made should be a thing of the past.
Why? What's wrong with that?
Not every country has the experience, labor force, or infrastructure to build every product. If Ethiopia built a jet fighter, no military would buy it.
I would never have bought a Nano, Tatra, Lada, or Yugo either. You can argue about whether they might be a piece of crap or whether it's because of where they're made.
I'm not sacrificing my safety and security on the "Kum Bah Yah Why Can't We All Live Together" PC altar.
Lannis
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They have a warehouse right here in Norcross, GA, go by it every day.
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The Ethiopians ??? ;D
Lannis , what in hell does any of this have to do with being PC ???
Dusty
Welcome back! We hear that everyone had a great time at the NAR. I see that you are fully charged up, the "Kum Bah Yah" phrase search engine is active and working, and you are ready to get back to regular Lannis-overchecking business now .... ;) .
The reason I said what I did was because of how the statement was phrased. "The days of judging something just because of where it is made should be a thing of the past." As if being discerning about what you buy, and using one's experience and the experience of others to make judgments about what to buy and what not to buy, is no longer true and should no longer be done by anyone.
My ass-umption (KevM has forever sensitized me) is that this is because everyone should be considered equal, we should not be prejudiced about quality, metallurgy, and manufacturing just because they come from different places, because if we say (for example) that "Chinese cars are low quality compared to Japanese ones", then we are being bigots. (I know that Hyosung is Korean).
If I ass-umed too much, then it doesn't have anything to do with Ethiopian fighter jets; but then in that case I don't understand what the OP's "judgment" statement means at all.
Have a great evening. Enjoyed the rally pictures ....
Lannis
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If we used that sort of knee-jerk bigotry to make our purchase decisions we'd be using no electronic or mechanical devices at all. Pry open any computer, toaster, auto, or bandsaw and you'll find offshore mfgr'd parts in all. But since that model doesn't work in the real world, a guy has to add some hypocrisy to the bigotry to exclude the stuff he actually owns and uses.
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Id buy the red one, slap some Ducati stickers on it and ride the hell out of it. Seriously, if it fits your needs, budget, and you like it buy it and in all reality it will probably be very reliable and doesn't have desmo valves. :D
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As Micheal Vick said, "I have no dog in this fight.." ;D So. I don't know anything about those bikes except it looks kool. <shrug> I *do* remember when we laughed at the Datsun Fair Ladys, etc.. and they kicked our collective asses.
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Lannis , my question was simply about how any of this is related to PCness . And yes we had fun .
Dusty
And I just tried to answer you. I think I did. I buy all kinds of Chinese and Korean stuff that I know works. My car is a Mazda/Kia, and it does good. I think I'll wait till I see a few Hyosungs with 200,000 miles on them before I buy one myself!
I'm holding off for the 2015 ABS-model Chang Jiang!
Lannis
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As Micheal Vick said, "I have no dog in this fight.." ;D So. I don't know anything about those bikes except it looks kool. <shrug> I *do* remember when we laughed at the Datsun Fair Ladys, etc.. and they kicked our collective asses.
And now the Japanese are getting rich, and not quite so hungry any more, and someone (Malaysia? Indonesia? Nauru?) who IS hungry and where people are willing to work for $.75 an hour will develop products that will kick THEIR collective asses ... It's a global world, if I can say it that way ..... ;)
Lannis
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Hey Lannis, you hater, some of my best friends have Ethiopian fighter jets.
Let's get this straight, folks, I was the first person to open the flood gates of hypocricy and bigotry in this thread. I also rolled bck my first post when I found out Hyo's are Korean. Why? ...because I'm not an equal opportunity bigot. Korean consumer manufacturing has been on a high quality track for many years now. The new Hyundais compared to the mid 80's versions are a great example.
Do I. It PRC stuff? Of course. Do I really have a choice? In general, do I trust the integrity of manufacture? Of course not. Would I say the same about German , Swiss, Swedish, etc made products- of course not. Evaluating the QC of products is a matter of nuts and bolts. The truly infuriating.g thing is when people get high minded and all "we are the world" about it.
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justas696661, You look damn fine on that bike! ;-T
How does it make YOU feel on it ??
Buy it, smother it with care,
~and ride the wheels off it !! :bike .....(that last sentence was meant figuratively :BEER:)
Hi all :)
that's me (test ride)
(http://i.imgur.com/l61kxZh.jpg)
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The Datsun bluebirds and fair ladies were built directly off of british blueprints (Rootes Group). When I worked the line we often changed out fair lady suspension and brake parts with the Sunbeam Alpine-type 'equivalent' parts. Some things like brake shoes used the same part#. Some of the modern UJM marquees also started with british plans. IIRC, during the reconstruction period, entire british factories were dismantled, shipped, and reassembled offshore. in the 70s, a lot of GM's tiny models like the LUV pickup were independently produced offshore and distributed by the various GM lines, like Chevy. It was the only way to change the production effort from making zeros and bombs to peacetime consumer stuff.
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Why? What's wrong with that?
Not every country has the experience, labor force, or infrastructure to build every product. If Ethiopia built a jet fighter, no military would buy it.
I would never have bought a Nano, Tatra, Lada, or Yugo either. You can argue about whether they might be a piece of crap or whether it's because of where they're made.
I'm not sacrificing my safety and security on the "Kum Bah Yah Why Can't We All Live Together" PC altar.
Lannis
There was nothing I said that was a "Kum Bah Yah" anything. A yugo made in the USA would still have been a Yugo, I bet they keys weren't falling out of their ignitions.
Who was asking you to sacrifice your safety and security for anything?
I had no idea. :o
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Why? What's wrong with that?
Not every country has the experience, labor force, or infrastructure to build every product. If Ethiopia built a jet fighter, no military would buy it.
I would never have bought a Nano, Tatra, Lada, or Yugo either. You can argue about whether they might be a piece of crap or whether it's because of where they're made.
I'm not sacrificing my safety and security on the "Kum Bah Yah Why Can't We All Live Together" PC altar.
Lannis
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The days of judging something just because of where it is made should be a thing of the past.
The Chinese bought Pirelli BTW. You never know, they could buy Piaggio too.
Sorry, NP, but your comment above really is holier than thou. If you really, really believe what you said- would you trust a car airbag that was made at a PRC factory that had no oversight from the original auto manufacturer? Acting purely independently, using their own in house design, no review, no SAE guidelines, no government regulations, and no threat of potential legal action- do you really trust that airbag with your life?
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Doesn't Apple lots of stuff from China and other places famous for , er , well , you know ~;
Dusty
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Sorry, NP, but your comment above really is holier than thou. If you really, really believe what you said- would you trust a car airbag that was made at a PRC factory that had no oversight from the original auto manufacturer? Acting purely independently, using their own in house design, no review, no SAE guidelines, no government regulations, and no threat of potential legal action- do you really trust that airbag with your life?
All that has nothing to do with quality of something made. Did the regulations and oversight help the people who died because Jeeps burned, Firestone tires blew out or Chrysler Concorde racks gave way? I don't buy something based on the regulations, I buy because I think it will do the job, I have a reasonable knowledge of the quality and after that it is all a crap shoot.
All the legal action in the world doesn't save those already killed do they? Like I said, who asked anyone to risk their safety for anything, buy what you want.
Judge the way you want too but then who is being holier than thou?
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Don't look now, I bet the smoke detector in your house is made in China. I bet the batteries in it are as well. Bet your life?
Good news, First Alert smoke detectors are made in Mexico.
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A shop I used to take my SV650 to ran a hyosung 650 race bike. They had replaced a LOT of components in it to the point where not much was stock anymore, inside the engine and out. I know that the bike was mostly reliable.
I'd never buy a hyosung just because of the dealer/parts support being non-existent. Along the same lines, I'd never have bought a guzzi if I didn't have Moto International within driving distance.
The hyosung 650 has a nice styling compared to the SVs, which it's basically a clone of.
Hyosung makes their own 90 degree 250 v-twin which I've heard of as being a pretty good engine. Fit and finish overall are less than japanese quality, but mechanically they're good bikes.
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Better brakes and handling than a scooter.
I disagree a bunch with this. I can out brake and out handle most bikes in the mountains on my scooter. the ones I have the most problems with are the motards on those super sticky tires they use, plus they have ungodly ground clearance.
I chased a racer one day thru the GA mountains, he was on a SV650 he kept looking back at me and like why can't I shake that scooter. he'd eat me up on the straights because of HP but I would catch back up in the corners. did this for about 8 miles till I had to turn on to another road.
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All that has nothing to do with quality of something made. Did the regulations and oversight help the people who died because Jeeps burned, Firestone tires blew out or Chrysler Concorde racks gave way? I don't buy something based on the regulations, I buy because I think it will do the job, I have a reasonable knowledge of the quality and after that it is all a crap shoot.
Judge the way you want too but then who is being holier than thou?
...and Jeep, Chrysler, Ford et all paid dearly for those mistakes. Yes, mistakes still happen even when we have safety regulations. Are you trying to say tha tthe SAE, NFPA, etc. are meaningless? You don't think that consumer protection laws and torte law (yes, that dirty word) have made our lives better by enforcing accountability? Although you don't consciously buy products by researching the regs- you damn well expect them to be there. Let's say you bought a new Ford and one of the ball joints disintegrated on the highway and someone got seriously injured- would you just blow the matter off as a "crap shoot?"
My point is that- given the current climate- it is accepted that unsupervised PRC products are not subject to any minimum standard. They can break tomorrow and who is held accountable? Maybe the retailer here in the US. Good luck trying to go after the original manufacturer. You are essentially setting up a double standard by giving a "pass" to substandard PRC products, while maintaining (properly, in my mind) a high standard for domestic durable goods.
I never said that good products are not available from PRC factories. Obviously, if you have the power of His Holiness Steve Jobs, you can have very direct control over QC in the sweat shops you run over there (I won't even get into the travesty of that given the Apple "image"). My point is that given no mandated standards, and given no strictly controlled design/manuf overseer, there is a natural tendency to produce cheap crap. It's all painfully obvious- except when someone wants to paint you as a "bigot."
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Sorry, NP, but your comment above really is holier than thou. If you really, really believe what you said- would you trust a car airbag that was made at a PRC factory that had no oversight from the original auto manufacturer? Acting purely independently, using their own in house design, no review, no SAE guidelines, no government regulations, and no threat of potential legal action- do you really trust that airbag with your life?
Well, about that airbag thing . . . what if the factory was in Japan and all the oversight and design and quality control and guidelines and certifications were in place and the major car companies knew they were getting a bogus product and installed it anyway and then refused to make it right on account of 11 million cars would just cut into profits too far? would it still be China's fault?
http://blog.caranddriver.com/massive-takata-airbag-recall-everything-you-need-to-know-including-full-list-of-affected-vehicles/
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justas696661, You look damn fine on that bike! ;-T
How does it make YOU feel on it ??
Buy it, smother it with care,
~and ride the wheels off it !! :bike .....(that last sentence was meant figuratively :BEER:)
Thanks bro!
i think im going to buy it :) feels great
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Thanks bro!
i think im going to buy it :) feels great
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Buy what moves you!
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Thanks bro!
i think im going to buy it :) feels great
Yep, looks good! The line was at the IMS in Dallas couple of years ago.
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Thanks bro!
i think im going to buy it :) feels great
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Good for you. Seriously, when I was riding my Hyosung 250, I had no idea of so called brand bias and I couldn't give a shite back then either - better days in some ways. The bike looked far better than other 250s and as I said earlier, I took great pride in owning it.
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Thanks bro!
i think im going to buy it :) feels great
BTW- you never mentioned the out the door price. It would be interesting to doa direct comparison with the SV
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Well, about that airbag thing . . . what if the factory was in Japan and all the oversight and design and quality control and guidelines and certifications were in place and the major car companies knew they were getting a bogus product and installed it anyway and then refused to make it right on account of 11 million cars would just cut into profits too far? would it still be China's fault?
http://blog.caranddriver.com/massive-takata-airbag-recall-everything-you-need-to-know-including-full-list-of-affected-vehicles/
I'll have to read the piece- but in the meantime, your statement suggests foreknowledge on the part of the car manufacturer. Obviously, they are the ones who ultimately put it on the street, so they would be liable for dumping the stuff on the market. However, if the subcontractor shaved dimensions, messed with the design, or tried to save .02 cents per unit by using a thinner bag (no! a PRC manufacturer would NEVER do that), then you bet your a$$ I would consider them culpible for the root cause. However, they are untouchable. ...which proves my original point. We should not have a "catch me if you can" standard for some manufacturers in this big happy, let's all sit around the yoga mat and hold hands global economy.
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Not great reviews for the Hyosung 650 on this part of the ocean. In comparatives I read, it fell behind the SV 650 in pratically every respect, with little problems shown on the test bike for the press too.
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If you like riding it, get it. Those bikes have been on the road for the last 10 years.
Considering the dealer support and popularity, it sounds like the perfect Asian bike for a Guzzi rider ;-T
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For anyone interested, a local friend (Blaine Paulus, whom some of you know) has a lot mileage 2007 UM V2S-650, which is the Hyosung naked SV650 like bike.
It only has 800 miles on it, and is like new. Asking price is $2,375. It has just had the oil and filter changed.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5465/17224108151_59d090cb26_b.jpg)
PM me, and I'll give you his email and phone number (which, I didn't post to avoid having them collected for spam).
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You put your trust in a company every time you get up. Chinese,Japanese,US,etc. ALL of the companies are bottom dollar operations. If any of them could get by with less they would. Govt regs? They will bypass any of those that they can get away with.
And, yes, many Chinese companies have quality control that is at least as good as many companies in the US. Are there bad ones? Yep, in China and the US and any other country you want to name. How about US cars made in the 60's and 70's? Some of those were really sad. Many survived only because they were so over built they were like tanks.
In the past I used to think, well at least I am using Timken bearings. Yep, Timken has 5 or 6 factories in China as well as in many other countries. But, I still trust them.
If I know the company makes a decent product I have no problem buying it, wherever it is made.
Heck, I own a Moto Guzzi!
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I'd buy a three year old used Japanese bike--and the related dealer networks and parts availability--rather than a brand new Hyosung.
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Something you can get parts for anywhere. Used SV650's are dime a dozen which is essentially the same type bike.
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I'll have to read the piece- but in the meantime, your statement suggests foreknowledge on the part of the car manufacturer. Obviously, they are the ones who ultimately put it on the street, so they would be liable for dumping the stuff on the market. However, if the subcontractor shaved dimensions, messed with the design, or tried to save .02 cents per unit by using a thinner bag (no! a PRC manufacturer would NEVER do that), then you bet your a$$ I would consider them culpible for the root cause. However, they are untouchable. ...which proves my original point. We should not have a "catch me if you can" standard for some manufacturers in this big happy, let's all sit around the yoga mat and hold hands global economy.
Ok, so your imaginary scenario to condemn all Chinese industry turns out to be a real scenario played out by Japanese and US industry, and you still think it's an example of how China is sub par.
Read up on this. Your comment is spot-on -- just change out "Japan and the USA" for PRC and it's almost entirely true.
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Thanks bro!
i think im going to buy it :) feels great
Make sure to check in with us on your travel adventures (pictures!), and any mech/elect. issues if they creep up during ownership. :bike
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Ok, so your imaginary scenario to condemn all Chinese industry turns out to be a real scenario played out by Japanese and US industry, and you still think it's an example of how China is sub par.
Read up on this. Your comment is spot-on -- just change out "Japan and the USA" for PRC and it's almost entirely true.
Dave- I have no idea what you are saying. It doesn't matter- you can have the last word. I refuse to argue conspiracy theories. I was subjected to that paranoid drivel growing up.
Hey- I'm wasting time :beat_horse when i could be out on the bike! ;D
seriously- no ill will here. I'm just gonna move on. Have a good day all.
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You put your trust in a company every time you get up. Chinese,Japanese,US,etc. ALL of the companies are bottom dollar operations. If any of them could get by with less they would. Govt regs? They will bypass any of those that they can get away with.
And, yes, many Chinese companies have quality control that is at least as good as many companies in the US. Are there bad ones? Yep, in China and the US and any other country you want to name. How about US cars made in the 60's and 70's? Some of those were really sad. Many survived only because they were so over built they were like tanks.
In the past I used to think, well at least I am using Timken bearings. Yep, Timken has 5 or 6 factories in China as well as in many other countries. But, I still trust them.
If I know the company makes a decent product I have no problem buying it, wherever it is made.
Heck, I own a Moto Guzzi!
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We have a thread going about the rear brake on the Norge either not working or hanging a weight on it overnight to get it to work. Somehow SAE and regulations don't seem to matter much. Granted, the majority of braking comes from the front but really, they are brakes and that gets a pass?
:beat_horse Okay but if we're going to condem stuff because of where it comes from then we'd maybe its time to park whatever it is we're riding or driving because you can bet it has parts sourced from the PRC, Korea of someplace else.
It has happened enough times to note that when I say I ride a Moto Guzzi I'll get a comment like " They look good but the reliability is a problem" or "does a support truck come with that?" It isn't like anything the Italians make when it comes to cars and motorcycles is known for trouble free function.
Who cares where the bike is made, they are riding one and at least to me, that is what matters. ;-T
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Looks like a nice enough scooter. I'd buy one of those before I'd buy another KTM, that's for dams sure.
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Before I bought my 1st Italian product(Moto Guzzi) all I had heard is they are basically unreliable, but I took a chance and have been riding them now for over 30 years. ??? Find out for yourself what's true and what's not. ;)
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Hi all :)
still thinking to buy hyosung gt650cc 2007, and first of all - it sound like a china crap but looks like it's Korean, What u think about this bike ??? V form engine 650cc sound great but there is not that much Kw like others 650cc
Nice looking bike! Go for it!
that's me (test ride)
(http://i.imgur.com/76u2AR4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/l61kxZh.jpg)
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what ?? engine is identical to suzuki SV 650cc ? thats great!!!!!