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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: boatdetective on April 22, 2015, 09:00:43 PM
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OK, confession time: since my good friend sold my Ruger 77 on me, I do not have .22 rifle. I know, a shameful state of affairs- but there you have it. Anyway, I'm in the market and would like something a bit more classy than the utilitarian 10/22. At this point, a Winchester 52 is just too spendy for me. As new guns go- everyone's going for the CZs. I was thinking i might be able to get something from back in the day that shoots as well, has nice wood, and is a relative bargain. Any suggestions?
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OK, confession time: since my good friend sold my Ruger 77 on me, I do not have .22 rifle. I know, a shameful state of affairs- but there you have it. Anyway, I'm in the market and would like something a bit more classy than the utilitarian 10/22. At this point, a Winchester 52 is just too spendy for me. As new guns go- everyone's going for the CZs. I was thinking i might be able to get something from back in the day that shoots as well, has nice wood, and is a relative bargain. Any suggestions?
I've got several 10/22s, an old Remington Model 41P Targetmaster, and a Winchester pump .22.
The only other .22 rifle I'd spend money on is the classic Browning .22 Auto. I don't know about the "relative bargain" part, though - pretty subjective criterium! ;-T
Lannis
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Remington 121 or 572 Pump. Super accurate,shoot all day and relatively inexpensive . My favorite plinker.
Paul :BEER:
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Remington 541S. They were discontinued several years ago and are going to be pricey. Also, Browning T-Bolt 1970's period. And lastly, a Kleingunther K-22. The K-22 as I recall ( don't quote me on this) had Austrian Styer barrelled action and was stocked and and fitted by Kleingunther out of Seguin Tx. It's beautiful in looks as well as performance but I doubt there's many available.
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Remington 541. I have the T version and it is very accurate. They are not made anymore but surely a nice used one can be found on gun broker and shipped to a dealer near you.
What jomarti said!!
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Well, let's put it this way- They are getting $400 for a CZ 455 American new. I'm looking for something to punch paper (I don't hunt and there's nowhere near me to just plink). The club I'm looking to join is very much gear to target rifle.
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Well, tuff to beat a bone stock Henry .22 lever action. Relative bargain and most Henrys have great wood in their stocks. Certainly is a "classic" platform but maybe not a "classic" in the true sense like a Nylon 66 or say the pump gallery guns. But then the Henry won't make you pay the price to get in and play with a well cared model of the former.
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I always had an affair with my Marline model 39 A. It looked good and was tack driving accurate with a micro groove barrel.
I lost it in a fire. I would highly recommend one to you.
Mine accounted for a great many rabbits and sage rats and an occasional grouse. Head shots on grouse to not ruin meat.
It is a lever action exposed hammer gun, very easy to take down and clean. Exceptional accuracy with iron sights or scope.
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/22rifle/golden39a.asp
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Kimber makes a nice .22, I'm fond of the Browning .22 auto already mentioned but the Ruger 10/22 (Deluxe, with walnut stock and cut checkering) is a better rifle. If not better looking. I keep kicking myself for every CZ I did not buy.
Further down the list, a nice .22 pump. Remington/Winchester or Italian copy/repo are nice. They shoot anything (amazing guns when shooting gallery rounds. Absolutely quiet.
Dad had a Mossberg .22 bolt action so I have weak spot for them, but have never actually owned one.
Curve ball option, Thompson Contender with a .22 barrel. You can go rifle or pistol now. Single shot, but you can buy other barrels and go .22 mag, or andy center fire.
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depends what you what it for..
pumps and lever, to much free play when reloading..
bolt not bad, but slower than a semi auto if require a second shot.
wood or plastic stock and rails
short barrel, long barrel.
short stock, long stock.
I have a CZ bolt, and a Win semi, several Russian sniper rifles, and pump action shotty's
I prefer the CZ for open range, and the Win's shorter barrel for forest work, as it doesnt get wrapped around trees so much.
price and availability of ammo is another consideration.
I like wood, accurate, light, 5 shot,
when you make your choice, pick up as many rifles as you can of that model,you will know the right one, as it should fit your shoulder and arm like a glove, and balance near perfect.
Russian's make a nice 22..Tozia I think..not to complicated..you dont want complicated, but ease of pull apart and clean.
I was a professional hunter for ten years...just some ideas.. good luck
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Never owned one but always loved the vintage Henry's.
-AJ
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+1 on the Henry lever action.
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Marlin 39 for style and accuracy.
Marlin 60 to get the same accuracy as the 39, same operation as the 10-22 but not the annoying Ruger mag. Simple tube, easy to load and unload and you'll never loose it.
Marlin Levermatics are too sweet and undervalued. Same micro=groove as the above Marlins. Short stroke lever and wood that really pretty's up nicely.
Another plus for the Marlins is the ease of scope mounting and the number of very nice aftermarket iron sights for up-grades.
Henry... 'Cause they try so hard ad you can polish the hell outa the receiver? Nice rifles and exceptionally well priced.
Todd.
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If you hanker for a Browning .22, check where made. Some were made by Miroku in Japan and I believe some in China. Kiss of death for me.
I will suggest an older Remington 572 "Fieldmaster" pump, as I have one and delight in it. I also have a Winchester Mdl 63 semi-auto takedown (fired one box since new in 1960) and that's a nice gun, but $$$. I think a 30-40 year old Fieldmaster in very nice shape will be under $400 and will always hold its value.
Ralph
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Anschutz 1416 or if you can go that way, the 1516 in 22 mag.
Accuracy is unbelievable and you won't find yourself with another me too 22. A little pricey but not crazy. They are those keep forever 22s and nothing other than a full on 3 position rifle can match them for accuracy.
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In the sub-$500 market look at the Savage FVT Mk.II . You can find them as low as $300 with some shopping and should be able to find one locally for about $400. These are serious and competitive target rifles you will be very happy with. Bolt action is going to be more accurate than a repeater, and these have a very decent trigger and a 21" barrel.
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It doesn't matter what ya buy, ya can't find ammo! :'(
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It doesn't matter what ya buy, ya can't find ammo! :'(
:+1 My thoughts exactly! I haven't shot my 22 in ages because I want to keep the small amount I have.
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??? An ammo shortage is the US, surely not.
BoatDetective my Apologies if this somewhat hijacks the thread, but while all the .22 guys are looking,
I have been given a very nice .22 Mauser-Werke A.G.Oberndorf a.N. Pre wwII item. I'm looking for a Magazine for it, 5 or 10 shot ? not sure what it came with.
can anyone help or point me to someone who can.
Again , sorry Boatdetective, but my pick would be a Brno Model 2 if you can find one, I'm sure the Czech's copied this Mauser to make the brno's, I used a model 2 for a while target shooting years back did quite well ;-T
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I also suggest the Marlin 39A lever action. If you want to consider an older classic look for a Remington Model 34 bolt action. Can be had for around $200 and is an extremely well made and accurate rifle.
GliderJohn
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I have been given a very nice .22 Mauser-Werke A.G.Oberndorf a.N. Pre wwII item. I'm looking for a Magazine for it, 5 or 10 shot ? not sure what it came with.
can anyone help or point me to someone who can.
Try here: http://www.triplek.com/Products/id/38/grp/412/prd/962/ Found small discussion on .22 Mausers here: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?138006-Mauser-werke They may be of help.
My most accurate .22 is a heavy barrel Win model 60. When bought used at a low price this single shot looked like it was rode hard an put away wet. Cleaned it up and taught the daughter how to shoot with it. Now waiting for grandkids to appear.
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Man I love .22s. Have not bought one in decades though. When I retire: get back into plinking and trap and skeet and pistol.
My favorites, in order:
1) Browning lever BL-22: smooth and fast and pretty and fun
2) Weatherby semi-auto:
3) Anschutz sporter with schnabel for-end and an action that will last 1000 years...
My brother has a big collection of .22s. One of these days I may see if he will part with some of them.
Good luck, I know all the above are pricey. Check estate sales.
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It doesn't matter what ya buy, ya can't find ammo! :'(
very hard to find 22 ammo. You have to work at it.
I have had some luck by checking walmart inventory at night before bed, then getting up at 530-6 and checking again to see if the stores have any in stock. If so then be at sporting goods counter before 630 to wait in line to get a box or two.
there is usually a line, so the earlier you get to the store before 7 the better your chance of getting a box. They usually only get 2 or 3 cases of 22 at a time, and limit you to 3 boxes per customer so it runs out pretty fast.
Old Head
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Excellent suggestions! I was reallly hoping noone would mention Anshutz. They were as rarified and legendary as "Moto Guzzi" when i was a kid.
What is it about .22s that always stirs up positive memories? I first learned to shoot on heavy barreled single shot models with peep sights down at the local police department.
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I'm finding .22 around again, mostly at real gun stores. Got some Super Colibri for my fox hunting stuff, even. I'll do a separate thread on that, except to say you can plink with a rifle in your back yard with that ammo.
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You might want to look for a BSA Martini Mark II. Very accurate and sometimes available for $500-600. You can also sometimes find an older Anschutz 64 for under $1000.
Remington 37s and 40Xs along with Winchester 52s have really risen in price lately but there are still occasional bargains out there. Last year I picked up an original 52C for $700 - great bluing, stock not dinged up, Redfield Olympic sights- so you never know.
If you're thinking about some serious club shooting I would hold out for one of the above. ;-T
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I was thinking i might be able to get something from back in the day that shoots as well, has nice wood, and is a relative bargain. Any suggestions?
I love my Golden 39A.. and it ticks your boxes.
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If you qualify look at the CMP (civilian marksmanship program) web site. They usually have some nice target rifles for not much.
Others have suggested most of what I would. I had a Rem 581 in the old days. It is now in the hands of a friend's grandson. Great little rifle but not target quality. My current one is a Rem 597. Inexpensive and as accurate as any of the sporters out there. Finicky about ammo (likes the higher speed stuff) but plastic stock, not what I'd consider a classic.
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OK, confession time: since my good friend sold my Ruger 77 on me, I do not have .22 rifle. I know, a shameful state of affairs- but there you have it. Anyway, I'm in the market and would like something a bit more classy than the utilitarian 10/22. At this point, a Winchester 52 is just too spendy for me. As new guns go- everyone's going for the CZs. I was thinking i might be able to get something from back in the day that shoots as well, has nice wood, and is a relative bargain. Any suggestions?
.22 pistol with a suppressor can. Shoot it in the garage.
Obtaining the can might cost more than the pistol, but it's a load of fun regardless.
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I've got an old Savage Mark 10 hanging around somewhere that hasn't been shot in about 40 years. It would probably clean up into a nice paper puncher.
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One of my most cherished guns is a Winchester 9422 that I bought in the 1970s.
It is a lever action saddle rifle, little brother to the classic Winchester "30/30"
The 9422 holds 18 .22 LR rounds in its tubular magazine.
[url] http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/historic-category.asp?family=004C [url]
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Vintage H&R were another one I used fondle at the gun store every visit, always telling myself, next time, next time. Then I moved :(
-AJ
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My vote is the Henry lever action 22. I bought the "standard", the Golden Boy is a beautiful gun but the balance didn't feel right and it is more $$$. Dead nuts accurate for a out of the box gun.
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I just bought a CZ 455 American (w a Leupy rimfire scope). I'm a newbie, but this is a nice setup, and I am very happy with it.
Rimfire central is a great source of info.
22 ammo isn't that hard to find--it's just a question whether you want to pay the going prices (11 cents/round).
Rich A
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I've got a Henry .22 Frontier. Blue with octagon barrel.
Nice little gun with a classic look. Smooth action and nice overall feel.
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22 ammo isn't that hard to find--it's just a question whether you want to pay the going prices (11 cents/round).
Rich A
.22 ammo becomes invisible and unobtainable to the Guzzisti-minded at about .08 per round ..... !
At that price, our arms shorten so that we can't reach into our pockets, and our hands shake so pay we couldn't pass the money across the counter anyway .....
Lannis
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I pick up my Browning pump 22 way more often than my 10/22 Ruger. I'm a farmer and the Browning seems to be the right 22. The Ruger semi automatic always seems to be dangerous to me. I like the way the Browning hangs on a target too.
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.22 ammo becomes invisible and unobtainable to the Guzzisti-minded at about .08 per round ..... !
At that price, our arms shorten so that we can't reach into our pockets, and our hands shake so pay we couldn't pass the money across the counter anyway .....
Lannis
ROFLMAO
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it is amazing how expensive .22 rounds are. Makes no sense to me.
I learned to shoot on Grandpa's 22 lever. My brother has it. I got his 12 ga.
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Boatdetective - what are your plans for this rifle? Plinking? Club competition? Hunting? Possible collector value?
Many of the nice older .22s are becoming collector items now which naturally raises the ante for really good specimens.
Plinking vs target shooting is also a major consideration.
As for ammo, target stuff is readily available but usually in the $6-$20 per box range. It's the plinking ammo that is hard to get.
Sorta like motorcycles - hard to find one that meets all of your needs all of the time. I think you should have four or five .22s at a minimum!! ;D ;D ;D ;-T
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22 ammo isn't that hard to find--it's just a question whether you want to pay the going prices (11 cents/round).
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Naa, I can reload centerfire cheaper than that. Fortunately, I have a bunch of 22 squirreled away. It's my retirement nest egg.. ;D
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Naa, I can reload centerfire cheaper than that. Fortunately, I have a bunch of 22 squirreled away. It's my retirement nest egg.. ;D
Just make sure that you don't get into any trouble with your taxes or your son-in-law or something. After the search of your house, the lead-in line will read:
"When the supposed airplane enthusiast's house was searched, a virtual arsenal of rifles and pistols was found, along with enough ammunition to kill 12,000 people. Authorities are questioning how such a massive killing armory was accumulated over the years. They do not believe that any other such collections exist in the area ....."
I'd be a good MSM journalist! A few bricks of .22 and WHAMMO! World class terrorist in the house! ;)
Lannis
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??? An ammo shortage is the US, surely not.
BoatDetective my Apologies if this somewhat hijacks the thread, but while all the .22 guys are looking,
I have been given a very nice .22 Mauser-Werke A.G.Oberndorf a.N. Pre wwII item. I'm looking for a Magazine for it, 5 or 10 shot ? not sure what it came with.
can anyone help or point me to someone who can.
Again , sorry Boatdetective, but my pick would be a Brno Model 2 if you can find one, I'm sure the Czech's copied this Mauser to make the brno's, I used a model 2 for a while target shooting years back did quite well ;-T
Storni's Gun Ranch
1720 Cottontail Creek Road
Cayucos,CA,93430
(805)995-2122
Years ago when I worked in LE I used to go there every week with the then CO of our SERT. Storni had every imaginable gun you ever heard about. Bought many from him, Walter PP Supers (a box full), Mauser HSCs, HK PSG1, and my wonderful Anschutz 22 Hornet that he reamed to K-Hornet.
We had carte blance to shoot there anytime and the only ones he let do that. Alas he has passed away and I think it is his nephew that took over the place.
If any one has that magazine, that shop will if they are still in business. (many years since I've been there)
If only I still had the FNFAL all geared up that would shoot 1 moa with 110gr Sierra Hollowpoints at 3300 fps. Damn fine ground squirrel gun.
Now back to the regularly scheduled witness protection program.
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it is amazing how expensive .22 rounds are. Makes no sense to me.
I learned to shoot on Grandpa's 22 lever. My brother has it. I got his 12 ga.
I was at Academy Sports last week and picked up a 325 count box of Federal Auto Match .22 for $17.50. We have a new Cabela's and they had .22 too when I was there. It seems the big box sporting stores are getting inventory now; the small guys not so much.
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You might want to look for a BSA Martini Mark II. Very accurate and sometimes available for $500-600. You can also sometimes find an older Anschutz 64 for under $1000.
Remington 37s and 40Xs along with Winchester 52s have really risen in price lately but there are still occasional bargains out there. Last year I picked up an original 52C for $700 - great bluing, stock not dinged up, Redfield Olympic sights- so you never know.
If you're thinking about some serious club shooting I would hold out for one of the above. ;-T
Damn you.
I looked up the BSA and it is totally wacky looking- I love it!
Essentially- I am to blame for posting something that would just put me in a "collect the whole set" frame of mind. After all, the only prudent choice would be to have a 10/22, a cool lever, a classic Winchester, a Browning pump, that kwazy BSA single shot, a CZ, etc. etc.
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Quote from boatdetective:
Essentially- I am to blame for posting something that would just put me in a "collect the whole set" frame of mind. After all, the only prudent choice would be to have a 10/22, a cool lever, a classic Winchester, a Browning pump, that kwazy BSA single shot, a CZ, etc. etc.
And you haven't even started with the handgun needs yet. At least one good auto and one good revolver.
GliderJohn
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Here's my wacky BSA - picked it up last year for $690 at auction. All original and original sights. One of the most accurate (and heavy) rifles I have ever owned. :BEER:
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You are all bad people.
Oh- on the handgun front- I bought a Colt Officers 22 this winter- pre war. Yow that thisng is smooth. Every itty bitty piece is hand fitted and polished up.
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It doesn't matter what ya buy, ya can't find ammo! :'(
I don't know about you guys, but I have no problem finding rimfire ammo lately. Have you checked in a while?
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Hey BD -BSA also made a lighter but still very accurate 12/15. Looks a lot like the Martini but is usually much less.
Check this one out.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=479358670 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=479358670)
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In my opinion the .22 rimfire shortage is completely artificial. There is not and has not been a 'shortage' up here. I think the retailers have chosen to fake a shortage for profiteering and political reasons.
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Dave- I can tell you that i have a very close friend who work in a gun store here- it has been a problem. His distributor doesn't have .22. It is easing up somewhat.
No one has a good explanation.
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Dave- I can tell you that i have a very close friend who work in a gun store here- it has been a problem. His distributor doesn't have .22. It is easing up somewhat.
No one has a good explanation.
Gouging. When the stories about school shootings became a nationwide debate, there was a run on ammunition. That didn't last though but prices soared. Why charge less and sell more when you can charge many times more and make far less? Someone figured out that demand can be kept high and with it prices and with that, profits. Its really only a business to the manufacturers,distributors and dealers, not a sport, hobby or necessity (in whatever order you like) as it is for us.
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I think the explanation is that the NRA prophesized an ammunition shortage due to the gubbmt's "attack on the 2nd amendment" and had to fulfill the prophecy. Otherwise it would be a simple thing to find the failure in the distribution chain - they'd be able to produce the gubbmt mandate to cease production - and that didn't happen. And since the .22 is considered as both the most popular caliber in the USA and also the least essential, what better way to promote a political agenda without really impacting anything than artificially creating a shortage in that area?
$0.02
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I have an old Marlin .22 rifle still but all this talk so I ordered one of these, will get it Saturday.
Benjamin Varmint Power Pack Air Rifle with 4x 32mm Scope
Pellet guns seem to have gotten a bit better over the years.
JB
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I've also got my Grandpa's old .22 cal Benjamin air rifle.
Now that is quite a useful and fun non-fire arm. I like it much better than my .22 Ruger pistol POS.
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I'm playing with a .22 Gamo rifle, nothing makes you think more than a spring-piston rifle.
And yesterday I picked up a Hi Standard Model A. My goodness, people took pride in their work in the late '30s-early '40s.
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I have the hi standard model B/government. It's a slab-barreled target semi-auto and was used by military target teams in the era. My dad coached the local team back in the day. It was his competition piece.
Way more complicated than a .22 needs to be, but very satisfying to shoot.
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Air rifles, now we're talking! I have two Gamo's, meh. I'd like something nicer but I don't have a good range for them. I've got about 20 air pistols though.
-AJ
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I know Gamos seem to draw criticism, but damn that thing can literally drive tacks at 30 yards.
Just have to remember to hold it the same way every time-looser the better.
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Hey BD, gotta love them .22's
First of all, let me say I just love the henry lever actions.(have several). That being said, I don't think it's the gun for you, for two reasons.
1. Great for shooting rabbits, squirrels, etc.., but for paper? I think you would find the Henry's
fall short when it comes to accuracy. Sure, you can kill a pop can at 100 yards with it, but try to put a hole in the "o" on a coke can at 100 yds, ain't going to happen.
2. If you are going to be punching paper with it, I assume you are going to be shooting from a bench? That means off sand bags or even a front shooting rest with a rear bag. MUCH easier with a bolt rifle. With a pump or lever you would need to lift it off bags/rest for every shot. A bolt would allow you to cycle without disturbing your set up.
While lever guns are definitely my favorite, I would choose a bolt gun. My Henry's don't even hold a candle to my Marlin 39A's as far as accuracy or fit and finish. And my 39A's can't compete with my bolt action CZ's or the Savages. Just my opinion.
My best advise (for whichever you choose) would be to buy a good scope. I would rather have a $500 scope on a $100 gun, than a $100 scope on a $500 gun.
Have fun
Randy
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Gouging. When the stories about school shootings became a nationwide debate, there was a run on ammunition. That didn't last though but prices soared. Why charge less and sell more when you can charge many times more and make far less? Someone figured out that demand can be kept high and with it prices and with that, profits. Its really only a business to the manufacturers,distributors and dealers, not a sport, hobby or necessity (in whatever order you like) as it is for us.
Bingo! Simple economics - charge what the market will bear. No need in conspiracy theories and NRA pulling strings when the simple fact is that they were selling all they could make at $.20 a round.
Happened in '92 and again in '08. Me, I don't have a good place to actually put any more, so I'm done buyin' for now!
Lannis
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I'm sort of in the same boat as Lannis. I actually have too much .22LR stocked up. The last time I went to shoot the old stuff I had quite a few non-fires even with excellent firing pin strikes. I need to get my oldest stuff shot and replaced.
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Not sure how it will affect other shooters but my gun shop told me, in Phoenix, if you bought your brick and put it in your car then took your time going home - in the summer. The primer material in a rim fire will flow to one side once hot. This results in a lopsided distribution of the primer and you'll get misfires. Rotate the the shell and usually it will go off.
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With a pump or lever you would need to lift it off bags/rest for every shot.
....except for the Martini's. ;)
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Me, I don't have a good place to actually put any more,
So. You're the problem.. ~;
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So. You're the problem.. ~;
I could be. :o For the older ammo, where I'm afraid I might get the occasional misfire, the S&W K-22 is the trick. Really whacks the primer and doesn't jam or stop when a round doesn't go off ....
Lannis
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Threads like this are the pits. Tend to cost me money. :BEER:
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Not sure how it will affect other shooters but my gun shop told me, in Phoenix, if you bought your brick and put it in your car then took your time going home - in the summer. The primer material in a rim fire will flow to one side once hot. This results in a lopsided distribution of the primer and you'll get misfires. Rotate the the shell and usually it will go off.
Good tip. From now on I will make sure to store my bricks with the cartridges vertical.
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Again , sorry Boatdetective, but my pick would be a Brno Model 2 if you can find one, I'm sure the Czech's copied this Mauser to make the brno's, I used a model 2 for a while target shooting years back did quite well ;-T
I concur. I have a Brno #2 (one of the last made by the govt armoury) fitted with a Leupold 3 x 9 x 40 scope. Beautiful rifle and very accurate.
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I have .22 rifles in the double digits somewhere, but my favorite to shoot is my Remington #4 rolling block. It is the octagonal barreled take down model chambered in .22 short or long only. It is a great little boys rifle. I have a #6 as well, but it doesn't have the same charm. My visible loader pump ( miserable loader) is probably #2 for fun shooting. As for handguns, just the 7 .22's, a little shy. I have #8 picked out though, a nice High Standard model H-D military calls my name from a local gunshop nearby....
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Nothing wrong with the H-D. I've got an option on one. It has a very similar (though not exact) heft and feel to my model B military which is a hoot to shoot, and a real attention getter at the range.
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Our local Wal Mart carries the SS Marlin 60 for well under $300. .22 lr ammo is available on line lately for about $45 per brick.
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FYI Real time tracking of .22 with some suppliers. Need to factor in shipping for total cost. http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rimfire/22lr/
Gotta be quick or lucky to get it under 0.09/round.
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+1 on the Henry lever action.
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Very classic looks, good price, excellent stock trigger, smooth action, decent price. If money is no issue the 39A Marlin would be my first choice, it's built to last several lifetimes.
Bill
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Dave- I can tell you that i have a very close friend who work in a gun store here- it has been a problem. His distributor doesn't have .22. It is easing up somewhat.
No one has a good explanation.
If you ask google, the prevailing answer is the problem is hording. Choose what ever reason you like but the fact is people are buying massive amounts and hording it thus driving up demand and price.
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FYI Real time tracking of .22 with some suppliers. Need to factor in shipping for total cost. http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rimfire/22lr/
Gotta be quick or lucky to get it under 0.09/round.
Hey!
It works! 2 minutes after typing it in, I have a couple bricks of .22 coming at a price I haven't paid in 15 years .....
Lannis
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My husband gunsmithed for many years. He still shoots a Ruger 10/22 and said the only repairs
he ever did on one of them was replace the plastic rear sight blade, which would break if someone
laid it upside down. Only other thing he ever did to them was clean them.
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Hey!
It works! 2 minutes after typing it in, I have a couple bricks of .22 coming at a price I haven't paid in 15 years .....
Lannis
Hey! You said you already had a bunch of 22. You're part of the problem.. ;D :BEER:
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Hey! You said you already had a bunch of 22. You're part of the problem.. ;D :BEER:
Hey yourself! When I WASN'T buying any more .22 I was part of the problem. Now I'm BUYING .22s and I'm still part of the problem.
I see a pattern emerging here. What I'm going to do is start plinking more ... !
Lannis
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Get your "friend" to replace the one he sold.
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I have three 22's. Marlin Model 60SS, Remington 10-22, and the Henry.
The other day, I had to shoot something that I could not miss. I grabbed the Marlin. I've had a model 60 since I was 12 years old. They drive tacks, and when shot with the proper copper plated ammo and cleaned regularly will never let you down. I'm not scared to try and shoot a 1" target at 30 yards all day long. Coupled with a nice scope and see-thru mounts, this puppy is good for almost anything.
This is my 4th model 60. All previous ones I had I have given to my kids and they are still using them today.
Under $200, USA made, and in my opinion the most accurate 22 you can buy. Again, my opinion only.
They've also been around forever, so that should fit your "classic" bill.
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I have the Anschütz Mark 10-D used in matches as a 12 year old. Still have the receipt for $73.95!
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A friend gave me a model 60 to give to my sons a few years ago. It is rough looking, surface rust,the stock is crusty and dinged up from knocking snow and mud from his boots. It has seen many, many rounds without cleaning or oil. When he handed it to me I thought is was trash. I scraped the crud from it, oiled it and put on a cheapo tasco scope on it. When I sighted it in on my range I used Winchester ammo and got a 4" group at 50 yds. That is what I expected. I dipped into my rapidly depleting stash of Zapper ammo and the group shrunk to under an inch. I couldn't believe it. That POS out grouped my Remington 572's, 552, Savage, and my 10-22! There really is something to their micro-groove rifleing after all. That and different guns prefer different ammo. Not all .22 shoots the same in these things.
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There really is something to their micro-groove rifleing after all.
I think so, too.. my Golden 39A is seriously accurate for what it is.
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Mine is a Winchester 9422 lever action. To me it really looks right.
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I have three 22's. Marlin Model 60SS, Remington 10-22, and the Henry.
The other day, I had to shoot something that I could not miss. I grabbed the Marlin......
Sounds exciting. What was it? I thought I was reading an Elmer Keith story for a minute .... !
Lannis
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Quote from Lannis:
Sounds exciting. What was it?
At my house it would be a skunk. I want to take no chance of just wounding it. The last one I shot was with a Winchester carbine with a .357 JHP. Works!
GliderJohn
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Warning, thread drift.. I'l like to have a .357 carbine. Henry?
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Warning, thread drift.. I'l like to have a .357 carbine. Henry?
I raise your drift with a slight twist.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=121
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Naa, don't want a maximum.
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Quote from Chuck:
Warning, thread drift.. I'l like to have a .357 carbine. Henry?
Winchester 94 saddle ring trapper. Handy little thing.
GliderJohn
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I always thought the 94 in 357 would be a cool rifle to have. Never did pull the trigger on one.
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I miss plinking with a .22. When I was a kid we would just go down by the river or back of a tobacco field here in Ct., kind of like riding a dirt bike, everything is built up now so no where to shoot.
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Quote from steven c:
I miss plinking with a .22. When I was a kid we would just go down by the river or back of a tobacco field here in Ct., kind of like riding a dirt bike, everything is built up now so no where to shoot.
That is one of a number of things that I like about living out where I do. I can shoot directly off my deck or porch. I can set up to shoot up to 800 yards if I wish although I do not have the ability to hit much of anything at 800 yards. For up to 100 yards I take the screen off of my shop window and use my work bench for a shooting bench.
GliderJohn
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I shot a skunk many years ago, that was eating the cat food.
I used a bow.
It wasn't good.
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I'm rolling with 3 .22 LR rifles: a very old Win single shot bolt action with the manual cocker, a 1960s Rem 511-X Scoremaster and the Mod 452 CZ American.
Above those, running a Ruger stainless .22 Mag rifle with the rotary mag, and another CZ in the fabulous .22 Hornet. Only problem with that is way too expensive
factory ammo. Need to reload that one. Above the Hornet are my .223s, another bolt CZ rifle there and a Ruger M-14. Above that is a .220 Swift Savage 112-V.
So- pretty well covered in the Dot Twenty Two department! I love the darn old smokepoles, I guess. ;-T
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Quote from Aaron D:
I shot a skunk many years ago, that was eating the cat food.
I used a bow.
It wasn't good.
Son, you really did not think that one through before pulling the string, did ya? ;D
GliderJohn
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Quote from Aaron D:
Son, you really did not think that one through before pulling the string, did ya? ;D
GliderJohn
;D ;D Bad idea..
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"Hold my beer while I shoot that skunk...." (sorry, low hanging fruit :) )
I took a night shot at a skunk once, with my 10-22. Forgot the gun was sighted in for a 100 yards and missed. :p The report scared him off anyway.
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Pinned the poor thing to the ground. 360 degrees of rock n' roll.
Even the dishes in the cupboards stank.
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Now that the topic has drifted a little, I wondered if the opinions of some of my countrymen might be of interest.
Warning: Coarse Australian Language
www.australianhunti ng.net/index.php?topic=176723.0
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Sounds exciting. What was it? I thought I was reading an Elmer Keith story for a minute .... !
Lannis
Wylie Coyote. He's no longer with us. ;D
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I have a Henry Big Boy in .357 as well as a Marlin in .357 as well. The Marlin gets most of the play time, the Henry is nicer to use, but it is just so pretty and the Marlin is already dinged up... I have a progressive loader ( Dillon 550) and a whole lot of .38 sp brass. They run through those carbines like... well, like .22's.
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I have a bolt action Royal Enfield training 2(wwI vintage maybe) that I inherited, anyone have any knowledge? I also have the full size rifle, what a heavy beast.
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Now that the topic has drifted a little, I wondered if the opinions of some of my countrymen might be of interest.
Warning: Coarse Australian Language
www.australianhunti ng.net/index.php?topic=176723.0
I'd look but you gotta log in, it says .....
Lannis
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If you ever happen across a Stevens Walnut Hill, give it serious consideration. Heavy barrel target rifle. Very accurate and very cool. I got this one at an auction about 15 years ago. I know there are more around, but it's the only one I've ever seen in the flesh.
(http://davevv.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Guns/i-cnKB493/0/L/MVC-033F-L.jpg)
(http://davevv.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Guns/i-Dm2DMHV/1/XL/MVC-032F-XL.jpg)
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I'd look but you gotta log in, it says .....
Lannis
Sorry Lannis. I did not think of that. I am logged in permanently but when I joined you could browse, coming and going when you pleased. You just could not post. Seems like they might have changed the rules without me knowing. FWIW, we do have some OS members............ .Kiwis frinstance ~; ;D
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davevv
It even matches your furniture ;-T
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I do have a Marlin .22 Magnum for when the winter bunnies have been shot at so often that they retreat out over 100mts. Magnum Momma blows them away, literally!
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davevv,
That is a beautiful rifle. Here is my classic in a Winchester Highwall. Although it is a centerfire it is a .22 (.219DW).
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/jpeters16/DSCN0538.jpg) (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/jpeters16/media/DSCN0538.jpg.html)
GliderJohn
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Lucky man! I love those old Winchesters. I have a couple other .22 single shots also, both are Ruger #1B. One is a Hornet and the other is a .220 Swift. I had a lever action .219Zipper once, but didn't keep it long. Accuracy just wasn't there.
I kind of have a soft spot for the older cartridges that have fallen out of favor. I still have a .300H+H too.
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I might get a nice little .22 plinker for my son Joey.. He's a marksman (at least in his mind) but I know he can get 59 of 60 in sporting clays.
Or is it stupid to buy a >22 with the ammo situation? I was able to get 2 boxes (limit) easily at Joe's Sporting goods.
Next, what rifles are out there now with ambidextrous safety? I guess that means a thumb safety ?
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Tang or 'thumb' safeties are the only true ambidextrous ones. The cross-trigger safeties are too, but a lefty needs to learn to work it backwards. Then there are 'reversable' safeties and true left-shot variants. I encourage left-shooters to get comfortable with ambi and right-safety since it needs to be a natural muscle memory and because 99.9% of the firearms he'll pick up in a tense moment will be designed for right-shooters.
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I am "left eyed" shooter too. Always like the semi autos, double action, pumps and lever guns.
Never touched a left bolt action. Might be sweet. ;-T
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I'm with Luap on the classic Marlin 22's.
This is my Model 80DL. Handed down to my father from my great grandfather, then passed down to me. It has had two refinishes. First one my father did many years ago, It was kind of bland, so I re did it a few years ago and it really is a looker now. It often gets mistaken for a centerfire rifle.
The peep sight has always been on since I have known the rifle. This rifle is really a pleasure to shoot. My father tells stories of watching my great grand father pick off rabbits in the garden with 22 shorts.
(http://amgeneral.smugmug.com/Everything-else/i-4dg4Br8/0/O/marlin%20model%2060.jpg)
This Marlin along with my stainless Ruger Single Six given to me by my father will always be my favorites.
Damn now I am thinking about a road trip to go shooting sunday.
See ya,
Rod