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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vasco DG on April 27, 2015, 12:46:39 AM
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V7-II. Having problems with pics, I'll have to go home to link 'em up I think but it's a black Stone and I have to say it seems to be well prepped. Clutch free play is right, throttle cables are as loose as a whore's drawers but other than that it looks nice. I'll be doing the valves and stuff before it goes out the door but generally it looks nice. Never take anything for granted though.
One thing that is a bit of a pisser is that there doesn't seem to be a level plug on the gearbox so I'm being asked to trust Guiseppe to have put oil in.....Hmmmm. For the cost of 1/2 a litre of oil I think I'll drop it and measure the correct quantity in.....
Pete
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ABS pump.
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Look! It has tiny penises on its airbox!
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Usually for shipping at least by air all oils need to be drained out of the rig. Maybe by ship it's different?
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Nah. They are 'Shipped' wet. If they fly them in they come dry. A still maintain a deep cynicism about oiling ex-factory....... ;D
Pete
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Looks great!
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No problem getting to the clutch cable, finally.
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No problem getting to the clutch cable, finally.
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No problem getting to the clutch cable, finally.
Is the cable still sitting on a cylinder or did they correct that too?
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Nice!
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If at any stage you are thinking of putting rear sets on your bike well you will find that the gear shift splined shaft that goes through the frame is short.
Yes I found out the hard way took two weeks for the proper shaft to come in from over seas as MG were not aware of the problem so to anyone with a v7 II make sure you let your dealer know before purchase.
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Err? Sorry? Can you expand on that? Sounds to me like you are saying you bought some poorly engineered aftermarket stuff and it didn't fit so it is somehow the factory's fault?
Look, I only pulled the poxy thing out of the box this afternoon. I haven't done more than take a few pics, call the new owner and adjourned to the pub for a celebratory beer. I'll have a good squizz over the next couple of days. If I find any stunning deficiencies I'll let you know.
Pete
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V7-II.
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Look! It has tiny penises on its airbox!
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WHOA!!!
I found one of those on the floor of the shop! :o
No, I am serious.
I had been fiddling (interminably) with the Norge and (intermittently) with the Griso. Could not figure out where it came from. Wondering now if off airbox of either. I know I didn't add such along the way, but neither could I recall seeing it before. FWIW, it is exactly like that little ... erm ... "penis."
So, I tossed it. Now, I have to rummage through the rubbish can to find the little effer. ::)
Bill
P.S. After (old)-man handling my Norge off the lift and into its summer stable spot, I am more convinced a new V7 is in my future. Now, to subtly work the hints to Kathi into an artful program that makes that seem good and right to her. ;D
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AND, she gets not one but TWO, new, small penises into the bargain....
Sorry, I'll get my hat...... ;D
Pete
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That little penis shown on the air box looks to be part AP8161054 as indicated in the parts manual. The puzzling thing is that the penises (there are 2 on the air box) seem to be covering the ports that, on earlier models, connect the blow-by tubes that come down from the valve covers. If that is true, then where and how do the blow-by tubes connect to the oil separator at the front of the air box? Any info will be greatly appreciated.
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No passenger grab rails? Extra? :-\
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Pete,
Great looking bike! I wonder how many red ones will show
up in the US?
I know (think?) you are dealer, but I don't know where.
(EU, Oz, or somewhere else?)
Jim
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////// Err? Sorry? Can you expand on that? Sounds to me like you are saying you bought some poorly engineered aftermarket stuff and it didn't fit so it is somehow the factory's fault? //////
I love it. As a QA guy for small manufacturing outfits, I regularly see blame assigned all over the place, and one of the best parts of my job is sorting out where that blame should be properly placed.
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So what were the differences? 6 speed? Motor relocated in frame? Did they ditch the heron head?
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Did this V7-II come with the new "wet" alternator?
Pix please if so.
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That little penis shown on the air box looks to be part AP8161054 as indicated in the parts manual. The puzzling thing is that the penises (there are 2 on the air box) seem to be covering the ports that, on earlier models, connect the blow-by tubes that come down from the valve covers. If that is true, then where and how do the blow-by tubes connect to the oil separator at the front of the air box? Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Mate? As I've said all I've done so far is drag it out of the box! I haven't had a chance to do anything more than that. Today I've got another V7 to service and a Nevada to stick tyres on plus a V4 Tuono with some sort of issue, (probably caused by the ridiculous pipe the owner has fitted. ::) ) that I have to sort. The 'Pebble' will have to wait but I'll try and answer your queries when I have time to scratch my arse! :D
Pete
PS. All V7's since the end of MY 13 have had wet alternators. Nothing really to show apart from the fact the cover is now a cast piece incorporated in the timing chest. Mike, engine is identical to all previous single TB smallblock 750's. Still has Heron heads but more finning and re-designed rocker covers compared to V35-50, Breva, Classic etc.
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Is that officially a 2016? We're getting them here in the states, too, but we already have our 2015 bikes. 2015.5?
I just ordered my 2016 V7II Stone (red) today, immediately after my dealer was informed that MG USA is ready to take orders for May delivery. Anyone interested in buying my '13 black Stone? Well maintained, 12k miles. Make a reasonable offer. Located in RI.
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Is that officially a 2016? We're getting them here in the states, too, but we already have our 2015 bikes. 2015.5?
Well, made in 2015, here in europe this is a 2015 model. You only got an inbetween because it takes long to get a new bike on the road. How you call it doesn't matter.
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Well, made in 2015, here in europe this is a 2015 model. You only got an inbetween because it takes long to get a new bike on the road. How you call it doesn't matter.
What matters is the digit of the VIN that designates year and the emissions commodiousness compliance label that says what year standards it meets.
And that COULD be 15 or 16, but it would roundly be early for 16's which generally start hitting the US market around summer.
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On the year model? While I'm not sure I would imagine this might tell you something?
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ANO12016 I woild think would mean first year of production 2016 as the year model even though they've been making them since 2013/14. Note though that this is an Australian market bike, hence the AU designation. US and EU bikes may differ in small ways and in their designations.
Pete
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Anxious as little boys on Christmas eve...
Would love to see one in red.
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Anxious as little boys on Christmas eve...
Would love to see one in red.
Ditto.
In my garage. ;D
Bill
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On the year model? While I'm not sure I would imagine this might tell you something?
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ANO12016 I woild think would mean first year of production 2016 as the year model even though they've been making them since 2013/14. Note though that this is an Australian market bike, hence the AU designation. US and EU bikes may differ in small ways and in their designations.
Pete
ANO12016 is the engine number, you can check that :-)
So it's produced feb the 5th, 2015
And then shipped the feb 27th to Australia
The F before M means 2015 production
GU9032113AUE01 V7 II STONE ABS NERO AU is the type
and 1M55040300 V7 Stone ABS is another number
no 2016 in there
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Fair enough. It was a reasonable supposition though! ;D
Pete
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Did this V7-II come with the new "wet" alternator?
Pix please if so.
The USA 2015 V7 models have the wet alt. not just the II's.
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Yeah, "ANNO" is year, "ANO" is, uh, anus.
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To me that looks like AN zero-one-two-zero-one-six
And I like the flat black, but, I am biased :)
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Hey Vasco im Not sure if your talking to me but the rear sets I bought are genuine MG.
The spline shaft that goes through frame from gear lever to gear box linkage is to short.
The shaft for the v2 needs to be longer.
If you have the older model it is the right length.
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That makes sense. There are frame and mount differences. Perhaps the vendor didn't check part numbers. I've made the same mistake occasionally. Thing is there is a lot of really bad aftermarket stuff out there and some people seem to confuse their choice with factory fault. I had a horrible experience witha Stucchi fairing that a bloke wanted to fit to a 'Racer'. It was awful, cost me hours and hours and still didn't work. I can't work for nothing to pander to people's vanity.
Pete
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The Australian guzzi importer had no idea of the changes so he contacted guzzi Italy and apparently they were unaware of the problem.
All seems a bit strange to me but that's the story they told me.
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The USA 2015 V7 models have the wet alt. not just the II's.
And my '14 does NOT.
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I think nothing was changed to the V7II engine from modelyear before it. only gearbox, frame, abs was changed.
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And a few lines of code in the MUIG3 that allow for traction control. Shouters are already shouting about that :D
Pete
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Pete, are you serious about traction control? The V7 already has that...ie. so little power it can't spin the rear wheel.
Peter Y.
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Pete, are you serious about traction control? The V7 already has that...ie. so little power it can't spin the rear wheel.
Peter Y.
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Don't ever drop your bike in the rain... we'll NEVER let you live it down.
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No drifting on this rocket. :P
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Pete, are you serious about traction control? The V7 already has that...ie. so little power it can't spin the rear wheel.
Peter Y.
This is something I was recently sneered at on another board about. "Why would such a 'Weak' bike need TC?" Well, in all honesty it is unlikely that most people who ride a V7 on sealed roads will ever need it. But as has been mentioned here before by people way more computer savvy than me if you are using a RBW system adding a TC controller to a bike already equipped with ABS requires nothing more than a few lines of code in the EMU. Why not do it.
Also the ability of a bike to spin it's wheel has nothing to do with 'Power' and everything to do with 'Torque'. The coefficient of friction betwixt tyre and road surface is also paramount.
FWIW I took the bike I have here for a quick strop up the corrugated, be-potholed dirt just up the road from the workshop to test the hypothesis put forward elsewhere that the TC and ABS are so crude as to make the bike a 'Bad Proposition'. Well, all I can say is it seemed OK to me. I obviously don't travel in the rarefied atmosphere breathed by the demigods who make such observations so I'll just have another beer and tomorrow enjoy riding a new bike I haven't experienced before.
From what I've experienced so far the thing that will let it down most is its Poverty Pack suspension.
Pete
PS. Kev, I used to drift a Honda 50 step-thru through roundabouts! Easy! I don't do that stuff any more and was never good at it but power is not a requirement to drift, only youth and stupidity!
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RE traction control....OK, points well made. TC is probably nice to have in low traction conditions. More importantly, it's a smart marketing tool that probably adds nothing to the cost of manufacturing the bike. Rather than lose a sale to a competing bike that does offer TC, why not throw it in. Of course that logic leads to cruise control but let's let that dog sleep.
I totally agree that the suspension on the V7 is the real wart on its nose. Oddly enough most buyers don't agree so they spend their money on loud mufflers and ride happily into the sunset.
Peter Y.
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RE traction control....OK, points well made. TC is probably nice to have in low traction conditions. More importantly, it's a smart marketing tool that probably adds nothing to the cost of manufacturing the bike. Rather than lose a sale to a competing bike that does offer TC, why not throw it in. Of course that logic leads to cruise control but let's let that dog sleep.
I totally agree that the suspension on the V7 is the real wart on its nose. Oddly enough most buyers don't agree so they spend their money on loud mufflers and ride happily into the sunset.
Peter Y.
Moreover, if you are so inclined, you can disable TC alone by momentarily holding in the starter button with the engine running (don't worry, the starter won't run), or you can disable both TC and ABS by pulling the fuse.
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Moreover, if you are so inclined, you can disable TC alone by momentarily holding in the starter button with the engine running (don't worry, the starter won't run), or you can disable both TC and ABS by pulling the fuse.
Now that is interesting, I still haven't had a chance to read the handbook but if that is the case it actually makes one criticism of the bike utterly irrelevant.
Pete
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This is something I was recently sneered at on another board about. "Why would such a 'Weak' bike need TC?" Well, in all honesty it is unlikely that most people who ride a V7 on sealed roads will ever need it. But as has been mentioned here before by people way more computer savvy than me if you are using a RBW system adding a TC controller to a bike already equipped with ABS requires nothing more than a few lines of code in the EMU. Why not do it.
Also the ability of a bike to spin it's wheel has nothing to do with 'Power' and everything to do with 'Torque'. The coefficient of friction betwixt tyre and road surface is also paramount.
FWIW I took the bike I have here for a quick strop up the corrugated, be-potholed dirt just up the road from the workshop to test the hypothesis put forward elsewhere that the TC and ABS are so crude as to make the bike a 'Bad Proposition'. Well, all I can say is it seemed OK to me. I obviously don't travel in the rarefied atmosphere breathed by the demigods who make such observations so I'll just have another beer and tomorrow enjoy riding a new bike I haven't experienced before.
From what I've experienced so far the thing that will let it down most is its Poverty Pack suspension.
Pete
PS. Kev, I used to drift a Honda 50 step-thru through roundabouts! Easy! I don't do that stuff any more and was never good at it but power is not a requirement to drift, only youth and stupidity!
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But... drifting requires no ECU interruption (correction) of said activity. ABS/TC will certainly not like drifting.
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Valid point but I'll be buggered if I'm going to try and experiment! Especially on a customer's brand new bike! :o ;D
Pete
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Valid point but I'll be buggered if I'm going to try and experiment! Especially on a customer's brand new bike! :o ;D
Pete
Downside of TC is I can't do donuts in my truck in the winter. :)
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Moreover, if you are so inclined, you can disable TC alone by momentarily holding in the starter button with the engine running (don't worry, the starter won't run), or you can disable both TC and ABS by pulling the fuse.
Yup, you nailed it.
Customer picked it up today.
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He is a happy little Vegemite!
I took it out for a few Km test ride and apart from the poverty pack suspension it really is a nice little bike. The gearbox is superb and it definitely feels more sprightly than the five speeder.
Didn't have a chance to have a real good look but the breathers now go to a condensor box under the frame spine and the return has a one way valve in it.
Pete
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How good are you?
You've managed to sell a Guzzi to someone without grey hair and presumably under 40 years of age.
There is hope after all.
Well done.
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Pete, as per that sixth gear option, did you run the bike up into speed enough to comment on how differently the bike feels in sixth at speeds of 70-80mph (not sure what km this translates into) as opposed to the previous fiver? In my several test drives of the previous models I never remotely felt the bike was taxed but on many occasions I did yearn for a sixth gear at those speeds and I'm just curious.
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Pete, as per that sixth gear option, did you run the bike up into speed enough to comment on how differently the bike feels in sixth at speeds of 70-80mph (not sure what km this translates into) as opposed to the previous fiver? In my several test drives of the previous models I never remotely felt the bike was taxed but on many occasions I did yearn for a sixth gear at those speeds and I'm just curious.
We've heard reports here that the motor runs just slightly slower, about 150 rpm calculated, 200ish observed.
But considering how tight my V7 felt at highway speeds for the first couple thousand miles, I wouldn't put much into early impressions.
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So what's the answer to this "poverty pack suspension"?? I'm assuming the changes are a set of GT Emulators, stronger springs and different fluid up front and a decent set of shocks in the rear. I had to do these things to my 650 Strom to get it ready for my touring needs. Is there anything else that would need to be done?
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I just ordered my 2016 V7II Stone (red) today, immediately after my dealer was informed that MG USA is ready to take orders for May delivery....
Sib,
Do you have confirmation that Red is actually a V7 II Stone color for this year? I thought the options for the US were Flat Black and some other combination this year. Or -- Guzzi NA could come up with a "Special Shipment" of the Red, like they did with the original Norge bikes back in '07-'08.
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We've heard reports here that the motor runs just slightly slower, about 150 rpm calculated, 200ish observed.
But considering how tight my V7 felt at highway speeds for the first couple thousand miles, I wouldn't put much into early impressions.
So what are your thoughts on this? Most of my Calis have not had tachs, but one did and they all seemed in a nice sweet spot on the big roads around 4300-4600rpm. For me that usually equaled about 70-80mph in 4th, 80-85 in 5th. Obviously, very different engines here so my analogy is kinda pointless, but still. Right now, on a broken in V7, what is it usually turning around 75mph?
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Pete, as per that sixth gear option, did you run the bike up into speed enough to comment on how differently the bike feels in sixth at speeds of 70-80mph (not sure what km this translates into) as opposed to the previous fiver? In my several test drives of the previous models I never remotely felt the bike was taxed but on many occasions I did yearn for a sixth gear at those speeds and I'm just curious.
Mate? It's a customer's brand new motorbike. How would you feel if the bloke who sold you a bike took it out on its first test ride and thrashed the living piss out of it? :D
Top speed will effectively be unaltered, it's the spread of the ratios that will change the machines character. That and the fact that the six speeder changes sweeter and has a shorter lever throw.
Pete
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Mate? It's a customer's brand new motorbike. How would you feel if the bloke who sold you a bike took it out on its first test ride and thrashed the living piss out of it? :D
Pete
Properly prepping these bikes, giving gentle test rides, what's next, appropriately greasing them? Pete, you are clearly not following Guzzi mandate of uncrate, sell immediately if tires not falling off. ;D You are spoiling these chaps for future MGs. Like having Sophia Loren as your first girlfriend, every lady after will seem like she wasn't raised correctly.
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So what's the answer to this "poverty pack suspension"?? I'm assuming the changes are a set of GT Emulators, stronger springs and different fluid up front and a decent set of shocks in the rear. I had to do these things to my 650 Strom to get it ready for my touring needs. Is there anything else that would need to be done?
Chuck, the stock suspension on my '13 V7 Special was so harsh it would actually launch my ass off the seat when I hit a bump. My solution was to get much softer springs, emulator, and 10W oil in the front end; RaceTech emulsion shocks on the rear..set to be more compliant. Now I have reasonable travel at each end. Man, I wish Guzzi would offer an option with Ohlins, like what Ducati does with the "S" versions. You would still need to modify for rider weight but at least you'd already have quality parts to start with.
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Sib,
Do you have confirmation that Red is actually a V7 II Stone color for this year? I thought the options for the US were Flat Black and some other combination this year. Or -- Guzzi NA could come up with a "Special Shipment" of the Red, like they did with the original Norge bikes back in '07-'08.
You are absolutely correct. My dealer called me back to tell me that, so I'll be getting a black one. I was misled by the info on the AF1 Racing site, which also shows the wrong pricing. http://af1racingaustin.com/new-page/
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Do you have confirmation that Red is actually a V7 II Stone color for this year?
I have been looking at this for the past five MONTHS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlA4LV8WDs
And now I find out that the only 'colors' available are black and gray? I don't think so! Those aren't even
'colors'. Black and gray? Forget it...so, no new Goose for me this year, I guess. Maybe I'll look at Triumph
instead.
Jim
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So what are your thoughts on this? Most of my Calis have not had tachs, but one did and they all seemed in a nice sweet spot on the big roads around 4300-4600rpm. For me that usually equaled about 70-80mph in 4th, 80-85 in 5th. Obviously, very different engines here so my analogy is kinda pointless, but still. Right now, on a broken in V7, what is it usually turning around 75mph?
I ride too many different bikes to answer that rpm without looking it up or checking.
I'll say this to make it simple, it feels completely different from my Jackal or Breva did at highway speeds, so much so that comparisons are probably useless.
PS, I should add that broken in or not a V7 engine would be turning the same rpm at any given speed, so any observations I made in the past should still be true.
However, it's possible the motor now feels more willing to do it, which MIGHT be a misperception or might mean it takes less throttle/fuel to do it. But that also varies with ambient conditions.
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On the old B750 (same bike) 75mph was actually 80 on the speedo as they are about 5mph too slow to actual speeds. 80 from my memory is somewhere in the 5500rpm range in 5th. So it would be around 5300 with the new gearbox. Would be nice if they simply added another gear on top for overdrive. Shift less/get more.
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Assuming a nominal tire circumference of 79.13 in. for the 130/80-17 rear tire, 80 mph in top gear will be at 5085 rpm with the V7 5-speed gearbox and exactly 5000 rpm with the V7II 6-sp gearbox. The overall ratios (engine revs/wheel rev) in top gear are only 1.68% different.
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G'day SIB
I make it 1.216 lower engine revs for the V7 II at the same speed in top gear. The reason for the difference in calculation is that the final drive ratio has changed.
V7 V7 II
Final Drive 4.825:1 4.125:1
Cheers Ride safe
Brian :)
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G'day SIB
I make it 1.216 lower engine revs for the V7 II at the same speed in top gear. The reason for the difference in calculation is that the final drive ratio has changed.
V7 V7 II
Final Drive 4.825:1 4.125:1
Cheers Ride safe
Brian :)
Errrr? No.
Final drive ratio is the same. GU32354610
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Too bad the new owner isn't on the board, he could probably answer all those questions nicely and he'd know.
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Too bad the new owner isn't on the board, he could probably answer all those questions nicely and he'd know.
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Well, I'm a new V7II owner since last Friday, as well as the owner of a '13 V7. The bevel gear ratios are identical for the V7 and V7II, 33/8 equals 4.125. Overall top gear ratios feel nearly identical for the 2 bikes, at least I can't discern the 1.68% difference.
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Sib--you own both models? Please give us you opinions as to how they compare.
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Sib--you own both models? Please give us you opinions as to how they compare.
Yes, I got a '13 V7 Stone in May 2013. It was my first bike after a riding lapse of over 35 years (my last one was a Honda CB77!). I've put almost 12,000 very enjoyable miles on it. But I know I'm not the greatest rider and my reflexes aren't getting any sharper at my age, so I just got the V7II Stone primarily for the ABS. I've written up my initial impressions in another thread here (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=76308.msg1200560#msg1200560). I've put 250 miles on the new bike since Friday. There's not a great deal of difference between the two bikes, despite the 6th gear and the slightly different ergos. But I am starting to appreciate the extra gear and extra legroom. In the earlier thread, I commented on how the Pirelli tires on the new bike seemed to lead into turns more abruptly than the Metzlers on the old bike. However, once I discovered that the dealer had filled the Pirellis to 40+ psi and I lowered them to the correct 36 psi, the difference largely disappeared.
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Yes, I got a '13 V7 Stone in May 2013. <snip> I've put 250 miles on the new bike since Friday. There's not a great deal of difference between the two bikes, despite the 6th gear and the slightly different ergos. But I am starting to appreciate the extra gear and extra legroom.
There was a discussion on the V7II merged thread whether or not the legroom was just amount of space in front of the knees to the cylinder heads, or if there was any additional distance between the seat and pegs. Would you mind terribly settling that speculation for us please?
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There was a discussion on the V7II merged thread whether or not the legroom was just amount of space in front of the knees to the cylinder heads, or if there was any additional distance between the seat and pegs. Would you mind terribly settling that speculation for us please?
I haven't taken any measurements (yet), but, yes, I would say there's a bit more distance between the seat and the pegs. So, it's still speculation until I get the tape measure out. Stay tuned. The so-called knee room for me is more accurately described as shin room. When I move my legs toward each other, my knees contact the flares on the fuel tank rather than the cylinder heads. I think that the extra room between the heads and my upper shins makes riding more comfortable on warmer days like we've had here in RI since I got the V7-II.
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Thanks in advance!
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I haven't taken any measurements (yet), but, yes, I would say there's a bit more distance between the seat and the pegs. So, it's still speculation until I get the tape measure out. Stay tuned. The so-called knee room for me is more accurately described as shin room. When I move my legs toward each other, my knees contact the flares on the fuel tank rather than the cylinder heads. I think that the extra room between the heads and my upper shins makes riding more comfortable on warmer days like we've had here in RI since I got the V7-II.
There's no accurate way I could work out to determine the distance from the seat top to the pegs. In the end, I measured the length of the tape from one peg, up and around the lowest and narrowest part of the seat, and back down to the other peg. The distance was 45.5 in. for the V7 and 46.5 in. for the V7-II. That comes out to a half inch difference in seat top to peg. I'll leave it to others to decide whether that's significant.
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There's no accurate way I could work out to determine the distance from the seat top to the pegs. In the end, I measured the length of the tape from one peg, up and around the lowest and narrowest part of the seat, and back down to the other peg. The distance was 45.5 in. for the V7 and 46.5 in. for the V7-II. That comes out to a half inch difference in seat top to peg. I'll leave it to others to decide whether that's significant.
Well that IS a difference and makes sense from the specs we were told about.
Thanks...
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Chuck, the stock suspension on my '13 V7 Special was so harsh it would actually launch my ass off the seat when I hit a bump. My solution was to get much softer springs, emulator, and 10W oil in the front end; RaceTech emulsion shocks on the rear..set to be more compliant. Now I have reasonable travel at each end. Man, I wish Guzzi would offer an option with Ohlins, like what Ducati does with the "S" versions. You would still need to modify for rider weight but at least you'd already have quality parts to start with.
I did the RaceTech springs and Gold Valves in the fork legs along with Hagon shocks. I'm not happy with the Hagon shocks. They were only $240, though, so not too much of a problem. Over all, its better, but I have an issue with my neck and I can't ride it longer than about an hour before it gets painful. The guy that helped me with the suspension took the stock shocks apart and said they were not bad and that he could rebuild them, but that was last fall and I forgot to get back with him. I need to do that.
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I'm not happy with the Hagon shocks.
I don't have a V7, but I've always had good luck with Ikon shocks. They might cost a little more than the Hagons.
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Is it possible those "penises" are oil overflow indicators? I've got a Vespa GTS 250 and it has a couple of little nubs that'll fill up with oil if filled too much. The case breather is hooked to the airbox for this purpose. Makes a mess of your air filter. I bought the bike with one of them filled up.
Sweet bike. I hope to own one in the near future!
Scott
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Well, the inaccurate low fuel indicator seems to be fixed. On my '13 Stone, the light comes on at about 160 mi. after a fill. On the new '16 Stone, it came on at about 195 mi. Figuring 40 mi. of reserve, this seems closer to the truth.
It will be interesting to see if the inaccurate maintenance interval indication was also fixed. On the '13, the MAINT notice came on at 7500 km (4660 mi.) intervals, owing to a failure of the manufacturer to update the instrument panel software to the newer recommended interval of 10,000 km (6214 mi.).
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That is good to hear. One of most common complaints with the bike was that gage mis-function.
The V7 is growing up!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/_1_zpsh7ldxpuo.jpg)
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That is good to hear. One of most common complaints with the bike was that gage mis-function.
The V7 is growing up!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/_1_zpsh7ldxpuo.jpg)
Well, there you go, there mustn't be anything more serious to complain about.
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Too bad the new owner isn't on the board
He is now. I took that as an invitation :)
he could probably answer all those questions nicely and he'd know
Sounds like Sib is the right person here for comparing "Apples to Apples", I can only compare it to my old VX800.
How good are you?
You've managed to sell a Guzzi to someone without grey hair and presumably under 40 years of age
Thanks! But no :( I'm only a couple of birthdays away from 50.
But I have a young wife, and your only as old as........well you know the saying ::)
I've only had the bike for a couple of weeks now.
Thanks to a run of crappy weather and family commitments, I haven't been able to do any riding outside of the daily 40km round trip commute.
I can say that this week it's been between -4 and 1DegC at 5am when I leave for work and the bike has started easily and run well.
I can take 2 routes to work. One skirts the city and is almost traffic-light free, being 90km/hr limit almost all the way.
The other is through the burbs, with many traffic-lights, roundabouts, 60 - 80 km/hr limits.
Due to the time that I leave, I take the suburb route to work to avoid all the roos playing chicken on the country roads at that time of the day.
Home bound is by the country run (roos are lazy buggers & just lay around all afternoon).
Surprising, both ways are FUN on this bike.
I'm very happy with my choice to replace the old bike.
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He is now. I took that as an invitation :)
Sounds like Sib is the right person here for comparing "Apples to Apples", I can only compare it to my old VX800.
Thanks! But no :( I'm only a couple of birthdays away from 50.
But I have a young wife, and your only as old as........well you know the saying ::)
I've only had the bike for a couple of weeks now.
Thanks to a run of crappy weather and family commitments, I haven't been able to do any riding outside of the daily 40km round trip commute.
I can say that this week it's been between -4 and 1DegC at 5am when I leave for work and the bike has started easily and run well.
I can take 2 routes to work. One skirts the city and is almost traffic-light free, being 90km/hr limit almost all the way.
The other is through the burbs, with many traffic-lights, roundabouts, 60 - 80 km/hr limits.
Due to the time that I leave, I take the suburb route to work to avoid all the roos playing chicken on the country roads at that time of the day.
Home bound is by the country run (roos are lazy buggers & just lay around all afternoon).
Surprising, both ways are FUN on this bike.
I'm very happy with my choice to replace the old bike.
Welcome to WG Clancy.. ;D congrats on the new bike, and I'm glad you're lovin it.
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He is now. I took that as an invitation :)
Thanks! But no :( I'm only a couple of birthdays away from 50.
But I have a young wife, and your only as old as........well you know the saying ::)
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I'm very happy with my choice to replace the old bike.
Hmm, sounds really familiar so far (age, bike, wife hmm), so high to me... ;D
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Nah, you're a butt-load uglier! ;D
Pete
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Nah, you're a butt-load uglier! ;D
Pete
Entirely possible... ;D
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Really a nice bike...evolutionary . The flat black color scheme works.
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Finally got the chance to prep and jump on our demo unit yesterday. I was only able to put a few miles on it so this is very much a first take, though it's from a 2013 V7 Stone owner. Quick initial impressions:
Walk around:
-surprised at how much I like the matte silver color. Wish the other color wasn't matte black again.
-I generally like blacked-out bikes, but they went a little far with the amount of 'blacking' on the Stone. Bars, levers, light housings, FI covers, springs, mirrors, etc. I feel like they're trying to differentiate the Stone from the Special a little more and they did it with blackness?
-there's an immediate difference in the look of the engine and where the cylinders rest.
-there's more space underneath, and I'm not sure that's a good thing. The wires behind the sump look exposed and sloppy; the frame itself as well looks odd, like it was chopped.
-sitting on it the bike seems a tad lower to me.
-the hose and wiring setup under the tank is better organized
-evap can is nestled up in there
Ride:
-smooth.
-transmission and power more refined.
-2nd gear is a pleasure for around town, a nice improvement from the previous model.
-overall shifting was smooth, and seemed a little more exact than newly prepped previous models. Finding neutral was easy. Clutch pull and shifting out of the box was perfect. I usually have to adjust the clutch on PDI of previous V7s.
-no cold start issues
-the bike seemed smaller in some way
-didn't seem as feisty as before and doesn't seem pull as hard (only slightly).
-certainly would make a great first bike for a confident new rider
Granted I'm used to riding my own well-broken-in V7, but I also do prep and ride new previous models all the time, and overall I'd say this new version is...nicer. As in Honda-nicer. Seems to be better behaved out of the crate, like it's given up a tiny bit of it's grunt. Not sure how I feel about that, but I'm sure many people will like it. Don't get me wrong, it still shakes and rumbles like Guzzi. It just seems like a more mature, slimmer, older brother.