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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jim C on April 30, 2015, 02:55:31 AM
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Well, it looks like I'm done with MG for a while. After putting down
a deposit on a 2016 V7 II in red I find out that red is not available
this year for the V7 II's. I personally have no desire for a black or gray
motorcycle. I sold my V7 Classic in the hopes of getting this in red, but
I guess it isn't going to happen.
I have been watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlA4LV8WDs
2 or 3 times a week just to keep me motivated — feeling pretty deflated right now.
Time to cut my losses and take a look at Triumph, but honestly, that doesn't look very
promising, either.
Later, gentlemen...maybe I'll see you back here next year.
Jim
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Oh for crying out loud! If the factory can't pander to your every wish? Do it yourself! Paint isn't that expensive.
Pete
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::)
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I agree about the colour offering. The red tank with white stripes looks awesome on the V7 II Special. Just one opinion though.
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Only the tank is red for crying out loud.. The fenders and side covers are black on all of them. Buy a V 7 and either paint the tank or order a red tank and swap with your with or gray tank
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2015 is red, find someone willing to trade bits? But, then it wouldn't be factory. I like red also, not so much the matt colors.
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+1 to EVERYONE... ;-T
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Whilst I will probably be tarred and feathered for even suggesting it I have to say that that this is possibly the 'Gayest' post I've ever seen on WG! Brilliant! If I wasn't doing it a bit tough at the moment I'd offer to paint yer tank for you! ;D
Pete
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Honda makes red bikes.
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+1 to EVERYONE... ;-T
:+1 :+1 :+1
Today, I'm liking the idea of black with green stripes like the green 1000S. Of course, to really do it right, you'd want to pull it apart and paint the frame green too. I think I'd settle for just the tank and side covers being done.
When the 65 HP V7III comes out, I'm going to buy a V7III Stone. If I don't like the colors being offered, I'll get the paint done. Hopefully, everyone will be over the matte colors, and it'll at least be available in gloss black, then I'll do my green 1000S tribute, or maybe buy a white one and do an Italian tricolor job.
Honda makes red bikes.
Point?
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Point?
If your buying for color there's plenty of them in red.
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this is possibly the 'Gayest' post I've ever seen on WG! Brilliant!
:o :o :o
Isn't Gay the new black? ???
No wait, isn't it "Ghey" when being PC (cause I know you're always PC)? :BEER: ~; :BEER:
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I'm holding out for purple polka dots on a lime green and orange striped background. Nothing less will do.
More seriously, I ordered a red '16 Stone, my dealer was told by MG that only black and gray were available now, so I switched my order to black. If I really really needed a red one, I could repaint the fuel tank, it's the only red part in the red bike.
OTOH, the missus, who I think is a closet goth, prefers the black one.
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Whilst I will probably be tarred and feathered for even suggesting it I have to say that that this is possibly the 'Gayest' post I've ever seen on WG! Brilliant! If I wasn't doing it a bit tough at the moment I'd offer to paint yer tank for you! ;D
Pete
From a man who painted his Griso bilious green. ;D
Actually, I'm with the OP. Guzzi has lost its way when it doesn't have a red V7II. Bet they do by time I've convinced Kathi the time is right. ;) :wife:
Gotta go ... NJ Nick is pulling into the driveway. :bike
Bill
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Gotta go ... NJ Nick is pulling into the driveway. :bike
Bill
Already? What, did he leave NJ at 0300?
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I have a red small block.. ~; :BEER:
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Actually, I'm with the OP. Guzzi has lost its way when it doesn't have a red V7II.
It should be a rule: Every Guzzi model should be available in Italian Racing Red.
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Come on, we're not talking Ferraris here. The V7 Stone only has a red TANK. Most of the bike is black.
Get over it.
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I have a red V65 SP I'll sell you. ;D
...for crying out loud. Paint the friggin tank if you want a certain color so badly. It's the only part you'd have to paint!
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Well, it looks like I'm done with MG for a while. After putting down
a deposit on a 2016 V7 II in red I find out that red is not available
this year for the V7 II's.
I would wait and confirm that with another dealer. Perhaps this dealer has wrong information. Maybe the red isn't coming with the first shipment, but will come a little later. I remember there was a red V7 Classic around 2010 that came out later in the model year.
Don't forget the V7II Special will be available in red also. IMO it is a slightly better looking bike than the red V7II Stone.
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I would wait and confirm that with another dealer. Perhaps this dealer has wrong information. Maybe the red isn't coming with the first shipment, but will come a little later. I remember there was a red V7 Classic around 2010 that came out later in the model year.
Don't forget the V7II Special will be available in red also. IMO it is a better looking bike than the red V7II Stone.
True. I had dealers tell me the '14 Specials with the stripes would never be imported to the US. Few months later there was one in my garage. I was ready to buy a Stone and have it custom painted. Never considered crying and giving up on Guzzi.
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Sometimes dealers know less about the incoming models than the average person on this board. They only know what is given to them from the occasional email from Guzzi North America. Which they may not even read.
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:+1 :+1 :+1
When the 65 HP V7III comes out, I'm going to buy a V7III Stone.
When the 65 HP V7III come out I'll be racing you to the dealer to buy one. (65 RWHP of course !).
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My Red Italian Stallion with me and the spouse on the Goose. No Guzzi before or since has been redder.
Oh by the way this bike has a hint of "gay" to it with the gay pride emblem on the license plate in honor of my wife's daughter who is a lesbian. I guess you would call my Red Italian Stallion a PC bike. Not a police bike but a PC bike. :D (not to mention that my wife thinks it's way cool the gold & red on the "pride" rainbow match the Guzzi's red with gold trim. ;D )
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t652/redrider901/DSCF9025.JPG_zpsesh8ic5j.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/redrider901/media/DSCF9025.JPG_zpsesh8ic5j.jpg.html)
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It should be a rule: Every Guzzi model should be available in Italian Racing Red.
this
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My Red Italian Stallion with me and the spouse on the Goose. No Guzzi before or since has been redder.
Oh by the way this bike has a hint of "gay" to it with the gay pride emblem on the license plate in honor of my wife's daughter who is a lesbian. I guess you would call my Red Italian Stallion a PC bike. Not a police bike but a PC bike. :D (not to mention that my wife thinks it's way cool the gold & red on the "pride" rainbow match the Guzzi's red with gold trim. ;D )
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t652/redrider901/DSCF9025.JPG_zpsesh8ic5j.jpg)
(http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/redrider901/media/DSCF9025.JPG_zpsesh8ic5j.jpg.html)
Hmm I never thought of adding a rainbow sticker to my plate in honor of my eldest daughter...but that's a good idea.
Of course, considering I own nothing but "girl's" bikes that will make it even funnier.
One of these days I'm going to go ahead and get that pink bunny skull my buddy drew made into a magnet so I can pop it on the V7 or Sporty at will.
;-T
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It should be a rule: Every Guzzi model should be available in Italian Racing Red.
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all the bodywork. not just the fenders.
the black fenders on everything is getting pretty old, if you ask me.
it's like they bought a shite-load of black paint a few years ago and can't use it all up!
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Personally, I prefer the silver engines over the black but I'm guessing that isn't going to change for the same reason as above.
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all the bodywork. not just the fenders.
the black fenders on everything is getting pretty old, if you ask me.
it's like they bought a shite-load of black paint a few years ago and can't use it all up!
I look at that youtube video and thought shit red tank and fenders against the backdrop of the engine would be stunning.
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Well, it looks like I'm done with MG for a while. After putting down
a deposit on a 2016 V7 II in red I find out that red is not available
this year for the V7 II's.
Jim
You know you could visit the MG Garage and customize the V7 a little.
(http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/legend_nocode_olivegreen_2C3B4683_648x648_acf_cropped.jpg)
Then again I do like olive.
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You're swapping to another marque for color, but is willing to swap V to inline? You're going to hate that far more than not being red.
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Whilst I will probably be tarred and feathered for even suggesting it I have to say that that this is possibly the 'Gayest' post I've ever seen on WG! Brilliant! If I wasn't doing it a bit tough at the moment I'd offer to paint yer tank for you! ;D
Pete
Thank you Pete; VERY well spoken. I mentioned previous how talking about this little Guzzi sounds like a bunch of ladies on the View. Specifically about color offerings and tank size. Hmmm... ::)
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You're swapping to another marque for color, but is willing to swap V to inline? You're going to hate that far more than not being red.
Exactly. If I understand correctly, the OP is willing to give up shaft drive, about 80 lbs., and the gloriousness that is the transverse V, all over the color of the gas tank? Good luck with that.
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Hmm I never thought of adding a rainbow sticker to my plate in honor of my eldest daughter...but that's a good idea.
Of course, considering I own nothing but "girl's" bikes that will make it even funnier.
One of these days I'm going to go ahead and get that pink bunny skull my buddy drew made into a magnet so I can pop it on the V7 or Sporty at will.
;-T
Is there a reason you picked a male feminist for your pic Kev? Red, we love ya' and I see a trend starting in your honor.
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Sometimes dealers know less about the incoming models than the average person on this board. They only know what is given to them from the occasional email from Guzzi North America. Which they may not even read.
Well I'd hope your dealer is reading their Piaggio communications, but it's true that we don't always know the plans for impending releases. We can only go by what we're told or what we find on our order forms. I haven't heard that other colors won't be available this year, only that I currently can't order certain colors yet.
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Is there a reason you picked a male feminist for your pic Kev? Red, we love ya' and I see a trend starting in your honor.
;D :) ;D
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If I understand correctly, the OP is willing to give up shaft drive, about 80 lbs., and the gloriousness that is the transverse V, all over the color of the gas tank?
Okay, you make some really valid points here. Maybe leaving the marque is a bad idea.
Based on what I've read here (man, you guys are brutal just because someone voices an
opinion. You sure have to have a thick skin on this forum.
For the few supporters I did get, thanks. To the ones who suggested that red is still possible
later this year, thanks. This gives me hope.
1. I can't afford to get a tank painted/swapped. Both would still cost me about a grand.
2. Since I'm unemployed, and on a really tight budget, that currently isn't an option, nor
is purchasing a V7 II Special or getting one of the customizing kits.
And, specifically to Pete (VascoDG): You're certainly entitled to your opinion about my post,
but you've said some things yourself that I could've commented on, but didn't. The heart
wants what the heart wants. I happen to really like the bike with a red gas tank — so sue me,
but that doesn't make me, or my post, gay or 'ghey' or whatever. 'Gayest post on WG'? I doubt it!
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You sure have to have a thick skin on this forum.
Yup. And you never know what chum makes the sharks go into a frenzy. You just got lucky. ;D
For the few supporters I did get, thanks. To the ones who suggested that red is still possible
later this year, thanks. This gives me hope.
I can add two true tales to what a couple of the others said about that.
In 2003, I was talking with a sales guy at a (now-gone) Atlanta dealership. Had read about the Ballabio and wanted one. But only in red ... it also came in black.
He said that the only one they were getting was coming in later that day, but was black. Sigh.
As we were chatting, a tractor-trailer pulled in and, yup, a crate. With a Ballabio. I thought I might as well look at it.
They popped the side off and it fell to the ground. Inside?
Yup, a gorgeous red one. Owned it an hour later. :D
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/billkathi/400322758303-1.jpg) (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/billkathi/media/400322758303-1.jpg.html)
Then, having seen the Norge announced while we were visiting Italy in 2006, I knew I had to have one. But only in red.
The word on the street, as has been here, was only silver. Then I got a call from Todd Haven (of exalted fame here, R.I.P.) at MPH. A few days later, I was riding my new Norge from Houston to Atlanta. Yee ha.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/billkathi/img_3052s.jpg) (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/billkathi/media/img_3052s.jpg.html)
The moral is obvious.
Bill
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"Then I got a call from Todd Haven (of exalted fame here, R.I.P.) at MPH."
I got the same call about a month later with the offer of a red Norge which I still have. Personally, I think you should wait to get the color that you want as I also feel that it color is important.
As an example, I wouldn't be caught dead with a hot dog and mustard MG. ;)
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I have a red V7 2014 Stone which is a nice red. The V7 II red is a darker matt type paint, nice but not Italian red.
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'Gayest post on WG'? I doubt it!
Remember there's a language barrier between you and Pete. There are some online classes from the Delhi Linguistics Institute that you can take to better understand how to converse with him. Here's one of the series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI)
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Based on what I've read here (man, you guys are brutal just because someone voices an
opinion. You sure have to have a thick skin on this forum.
You have to take it in context. If you were talking with the same guys in person they would be saying the same thing but smiling, patting you on the back and handing you your next beer while they said it.
It is really hard to do good natured kidding and advice on a forum.
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And, specifically to Pete (VascoDG): You're certainly entitled to your opinion about my post,
but you've said some things yourself that I could've commented on, but didn't. The heart
wants what the heart wants. I happen to really like the bike with a red gas tank — so sue me,
but that doesn't make me, or my post, gay or 'ghey' or whatever. 'Gayest post on WG'? I doubt it!
Jim, I'm thinking you missed the point of Ropers, and my posts with regards to those terms.
Somewhere between Ropers and My generation the term Gay took on multiple meanings and eventually became a homonym with Ghey (to distinguish it in the written word).
Somewhere in the past few decades Gay became used regularly NOT to mean homosexual but to instead mean LAME (though I admit it likely arose from a general feeling that homosexual was different or odd to heterosexual).
Add a combination of language filters, and attempts to be PC (to still use a term that might seem offensive to some, but express it is meant in another way - i.e. a homonym), the spelling Ghey or Teh Ghey arose as internet slang.
http://www.internetslang.com/GHEY-meaning-definition.asp
http://queersunited.blogspot.com/2011/03/word-of-gay-ghey.html
The later is especially used by younger generations than my own to express irony, i.e. something that homophobes might react to with offense and ignorance as if actually being homosexual was something you could catch (i.e. a disease):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Teh+Ghey
Alternately used to mock those who treat homosexuality as a disease which can be contracted by contact with homosexuals or even exposure to their culture.
Anyway, I would hope in the end it is obvious that neither Pete nor I have no problems with who (or what) anyone chooses to love. The usage of the term was meant to cast the aspersion of a seemingly stereotypical feminine trait as to the fickleness of a post that suggested giving up on a brand for the lack of one color bike in one particular year.
But it's a hell of a lot easier to jokingly call it gay or ghey rather than to explain that, even if we have to come back around to do so because so many didn't get it.
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As an example, I wouldn't be caught dead with a hot dog and mustard MG. ;)
Hurtful, Sir. Hurtful.
But I am strong and ignore such barbs.
While plotting revenge, of course.
This. Is. Beauty. (Of the rare unred type, of course.)
(http://bill-and-kathi.smugmug.com/photos/i-hBNXQP2/0/L/i-hBNXQP2-L.jpg)
(http://bill-and-kathi.smugmug.com/photos/i-cPxg6t4/0/L/i-cPxg6t4-L.jpg)
Back to plotting. ;D
Bill
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(http://bill-and-kathi.smugmug.com/photos/i-hBNXQP2/0/L/i-hBNXQP2-L.jpg)
Beautiful country........
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Nobody has mentioned that there will be no yeller either :winer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knnHgC3cJ1M
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Good thing they dont have too many frame /seat /fork colors available or it would be too stressful for some of us to choose!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/guzzi%20cafe%20colorful_zps0lggeqab.jpeg)
"No No No! You got the colors backwards!"
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/frankgorshin_zpsb9n8sdq5.jpg)
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Good thing they dont have too many frame /seat /fork colors available or it would be too stressful for some of us to choose!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/guzzi%20cafe%20colorful_zps0lggeqab.jpeg)
"No No No! You got the colors backwards!"
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/frankgorshin_zpsb9n8sdq5.jpg)
I must say, you are a funny chap.
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As pointed out by mickr69, not I Italian red, but red.
http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Windy-City-Triumph-2988506/listing/2016-Moto-Guzzi-V7-II-Stone-ABS-Rosso-Impetuoso-115178102
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Is there a way of also having a paint that can change colors on command?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/LED-BIKE0LIGHTS_zpsq5n09ckg.jpg)
Would be confusing for us forgetful types!
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Gotta say it, Pete can say some funny shit that I would never post here. He's like the Donald Chump of WG! I was rolling my eyes at the OP then I saw GAYEST! I spewed beer on my keyboard. I can't see myself ever selling a bike just because it's the wrong color to get another one of the same thing.
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http://www.af1racing.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=75750
Buy this and paint it whatever color red blows up your skirt!
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Kinda quit reading this thread after the OP stated he was going somewhere else because red wasn't available . Reminds me of the stories my MC salesman friends have told me re how customers pick a bike . After asking a few questions about intended use , payload , performance expectations etc , the prospective buyer giggles like a school girl and exclaims " Ooooh , I like that RED one" :laugh:
The fact is , the OP is like most MC owners , color is the single most important factor in choosing a bike . Let him go , he isn't a Guzzista :evil: :grin:
Oh , and the proper spelling when used in this context is "ghaye" , geex guys , catch up :grin:
Dusty
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When it comes to colors (or colours, for that matter), Dilbert got it right - http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-11-17 (http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-11-17)
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You guys are too much. You resurrect a thread after two and a half months? Really?
You rake me over the coals for wanting a red gas tank on my bike?
You guys really need to get lives!
And, Dusty, I said previously that I would NOT give up on MG solely for color reasons. If I
was going to do that, I'd probably get a Triumph; but, I want to wait and see what MG comes
up with at the EICMA show in November. You don't know anything about me, and I frankly
don't give a shyte whether you think I'm a Guzzista or not. MG has had black motorcycles for
years in the V7 line, and I don't want black. Big deal! I'll wait. You're full of crap if you think your
opinion matters to me. I appreciate your knowledge about MG, but you know nothing about me
or who I am. Do you always judge people you don't know? Maybe it's people like you and the crap
you just posted that turns people off about MG. Must suck being you, since you have to render
negative judgments about people you don't know to feel good about yourself.
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Oh I'm full of crap alright , but I never pick anything based on color . Besides , 'twasn't me that restarted this sad thread , and compared to most , my comments are pretty tame . On top of that , if you didn't care what any of us thought , why come back ?
Dusty
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http://www.af1racing.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=75750
Buy this and paint it whatever color red blows up your skirt!
Wow! That is cheap! Hmmm, it's tempting to buy this and make my '13 V7R into an Verde Legano!
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Wow! That is cheap! Hmmm, it's tempting to buy this and make my '13 V7R into an Verde Legano!
I know. AF1 comes up with these low prices every so often, and It almost looks like a misprint!
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Okay, I will chime in. Appearance is important to me. If I like how a bike looks, I am more likely to buy it than if I don't like how it looks. Color is part of appearance, and it is important to at least two of us.
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Okay, I will chime in. Appearance is important to me. If I like how a bike looks, I am more likely to buy it than if I don't like how it looks. Color is part of appearance, and it is important to at least two of us.
Let me rephrase my comment . Nothing wrong with liking a color , or style . But what if MG doesn't build a red V7 II ? Like a friend of mine said years ago "I won't have another bike until I can afford a new 916 Ducati" . Guess what , still no bike . A rider rides is all I'm saying , the color should be low on the list of priorities .
Dusty
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Paint is cheap. I really can't see the issue?
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Paint is cheap. I really can't see the issue?
I had a tank and two sidecovers repainted for $800 close to 10 yrs ago, so I'd think $500 or maybe even more for a decent quality job for the tank.
That's roughly 2-4 weeks of groceries for one person.
Rich A
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Okay, since no one cares what I say, I will chime in.
I'm in the same boat as the OP, I like the Eldorado Audace and V7, but I would never buy black, period! So the color is important to me also. It is not that they do not make it, they do, they have posted pictures of them.
I am not going to paint a new bike, it would not be factory, and that would hurt the already bad resale value.
If you want a cheap bike to mod, that is different, but paying new from dealer on a fresh bike, we wants what we wants.
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I agree that when buying a new bike, color is huge, a major factor in your being satisfied and happy with the purchase. Both the V7 and the new Eldorado do indeed come in red, but are not imported in the USA. Why MG made this decision is a mystery to me. I too loathe black.
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Do we really think they're not going to bring over some red V7's and Eldos?
If history tells us one thing about Piaggio/MGNA it's that they have in recent years often said a certain color available elsewhere wouldn't show up in the US, but then it did.
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(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd10/rodekyll1/misc/frasier%20cranes_zpsqe1g1aw1.jpg) (http://s226.photobucket.com/user/rodekyll1/media/misc/frasier%20cranes_zpsqe1g1aw1.jpg.html)
CHANGE THE PAINT??!!?
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Its so confusing! My brain hurts.
And do you want tube type or tubeless type tires? Bias Ply, radials? Oh my!
And current tyres so old fashioned!
I want a set of those new airless tires!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/airless_zpskbbrd9ey.jpg)
Now if they only came in mellow yellow. Dang! (http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/nut_zpsobfwo2as.gif)
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I could have had a red V7II straight away but I WANTED black.
So I had to wait for it.
But if there wasn't going to be black I WOULD HAVE got the red.
Or yellow, or green, or blue, or.......
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Shiny black is hard work to keep looking clean.
Flat black looks like inexpensive paint primer after a few months.
Red Primer still looks like it is unfinished and hurried. Still see a few.
And even rust looks good if applied properly! :boozing:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/rusty-car-vinyl-wrap-vw-van-clyde-wraps-11_zpsslzivt3b.jpg)
Nobody gonna steal that!
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Oh I'm full of crap alright , but I never pick anything based on color . Besides , 'twasn't me that restarted this sad thread , and compared to most , my comments are pretty tame . On top of that , if you didn't care what any of us thought , why come back ?
Dusty
I didn't read this thread before either. But now that I think about it, I don't think that the color of a motorcycle has ever influenced the decision of whether to buy it or not. Generally, any bike I bought was an opportunity that presented itself. When I bought my Stelvio, I didn't even know what color it was.
So it's kind of hard for me (that's just ME, mind you) to imagine deciding not to buy a motorcycle I wanted because it was the wrong color ....
Lannis
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I totally get wanting the color of your choice.
I avoid used vehicles, and even buying out of dealer inventory if I can order what I want cause I'm so picky.
When I bought my Breva I decided Gray would be cool, but before that Mike Haven had offered to disassemble one and paint it White (which is a color I was toying with pursuing).
Back in 95 I ordered the first EFI RK that would be available from my dealer for the 96 model year. He (the owner of the dealership) warned me that in the first quarter they usually couldn't request colors and I might have to take what I could get. He called me a week or two later and said the first one was scheduled to be two-tone red and PURPLE... I said I'd take a later one, no thanks.
Happily he called me a week or so later and said they had a problem with the purple paint so I could pick any color.
I told him to surprise me.
He ordered me "Statesboro Blue Pearl" which was a gorgeous light blue pearl paint. I loved it.
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Just Saying!
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I totally get wanting the color of your choice.
Yup.
And, while I recognize that repainting is available, seems wrong on a brand-new machine.
OTOH, some of the new, relatively inexpensive, and reversible (as in "changed my mind") vinyl coatings are interesting. See, e.g., http://solutions.3mae.ae/wps/portal/3M/en_AE/3MGraphics/GraphicSolutions/Applications/CarWrapping/
He ordered me "Statesboro Blue Pearl" which was a gorgeous light blue pearl paint. I loved it.
Statesboro Blue Pearl?
That's right up there with Hinesville Hot Jam and Pembroke Purple Fuzz. :rolleyes:
I'm guessing that the professional marketeers and PR types didn't start working at Harley 'til sometime after that. :grin:
Bill
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Statesboro Blue Pearl?
That's right up there with Hinesville Hot Jam and Pembroke Purple Fuzz. :rolleyes:
I'm guessing that the professional marketeers and PR types didn't start working at Harley 'til sometime after that. :grin:
Bill
They've had cringeworthy marketing since I can remember, and the same goes for how they name their models, their accessories, their colors etc.
But I liked the Allman Brothers! And honestly, I can't say enough about the blue pearl paint, it was gorgeous, the old photos I've got scanned don't do it justice, especially in bright light. Say what you want about Harley, but their paint is thick, luscious, good looking stuff.
(http://www.gigabikes.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10081/RKsmll.jpg)
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They've had cringeworthy marketing since I can remember, and the same goes for how they name their models, their accessories, their colors etc.
But I liked the Allman Brothers! And honestly, I can't say enough about the blue pearl paint, it was gorgeous, the old photos I've got scanned don't do it justice, especially in bright light. Say what you want about Harley, but their paint is thick, luscious, good looking stuff.
(http://www.gigabikes.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10081/RKsmll.jpg)
Very nice.
No argument from me on the quality of TMC's fit & finish. Robotics or QC or whatever, that Harley can routinely produce such near flawless work at their volume figures is, IMO, an undeniable tribute to the marque.
OBTW, as further proof of my ignorance of contemporary (OK, OK, perhaps the last 70 years) of musiculture, I have heard of the Allmon Bros, but know little else. To me, Statesboro conveys only mental images of Fort Stewart and coastal Georgia generally. :embarrassed:
Best,
Bill
P.S. Back to topic ... saw a red Stone at Guzzi Steve's dealership a few days ago. Get thee behind me, Satan. :evil:
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I'll chime in as well. When Guzzi released it's newer V7 line (the classic in particular) I decided it was the bike I wanted. It had just about everything I was looking for with the exception of two things: a plastic tank and the wrong colors. With this type of classic bike I didn't want a plastic tank (ethanol swelling issues aside), and is one reason why I had avoided the Ducati Sport Classic. I did kind of dig the white with black strip version, but not enough to ignore the tank material, and I really really really don't like gold on my cars or bikes, so the black and gold version was out.
So I waited. And I'm so glad I did. Not only did they come back with new colors that I really liked, but they came back with a metal tank and a single TB version which quite frankly makes the previous version feel dull to me. Win, win and win.
Color does play a factor for me when it comes to cars and bikes. I wouldn't buy a car with a color I don't like just because it's discounted. I want to love what I'm driving/riding, and color does play a role in how I feel.
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One of the reasons I like my 09 Pearl White V7 Classic was that it reminded me of the first new bike I wanted.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/kawasaki-h1-vintage-motorcycle-photo-of-the-day-82358-900x675_zpsxlg2iyld.jpg)
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Not quite, it`s black wheels that are the new Gay :grin:
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Why all the fuss about color? White is the fastest followed by yellow. Blue and green are the midpack fodder. Red and black are by far the slowest. Motorcycle 101, guys. I learned this right after I was taught to remove any and all exhaust restrictions because of the detrimental effects of back pressure on horsepower.
This board is really slipping into pseudoscience and innuendo.
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Why all the fuss about color? White is the fastest followed by yellow. Blue and green are the midpack fodder. Red and black are by far the slowest. Motorcycle 101, guys. I learned this right after I was taught to remove any and all exhaust restrictions because of the detrimental effects of back pressure on horsepower.
This board is really slipping into pseudoscience and innuendo.
That's funny coming from another LMIII owner :thumb:
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That's funny coming from another LMIII owner :thumb:
Ha! You got me. :thumb:
I forgot silver btw. Silver bikes are a neat concept but in the case of the LM III they seem to be limited to the single specimen in the brochure :laugh:
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innuendo.
That might be in bad taste considering the gay (ghey) comments.. :cool: :boozing:
That said, I couldn't give a crap about what color a motorcycle is. I'm much more interested in the machine part of it. Well, maybe not rainbow... :smiley:
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Isn't Gay the new black? ???
Not quite, it`s black wheels that are the new Gay :grin:
I guess I'm gay for black wheels! :huh: :laugh:
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Ha! You got me. :thumb:
I forgot silver btw. Silver bikes are a neat concept but in the case of the LM III they seem to be limited to the single specimen in the brochure :laugh:
My LMIII is Burgandy and black, "ghey" as hell and slow as a 7 year itch!
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Ha! You got me. :thumb:
I forgot silver btw. Silver bikes are a neat concept but in the case of the LM III they seem to be limited to the single specimen in the brochure :laugh:
Not quite!
(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/Collectorsfriend/Budgie%202009/LM3.jpg)
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After thinking on this for a bit , first let me apologize for being so strident earlier .
Anyway , it seems we have two different schools of thought re color . For me , riding has always simply been tactile and not visual , so color , chrome , exhaust note ,etc, has always been secondary to the smells and sensations of riding. However , it is apparent that there is a visual component to motorcycling that is important to some . Will try to be more understanding of that faction in the future, even though color and bling never registered with me . Carry on :laugh:
Dusty
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Why all the fuss about color? White is the fastest followed by yellow. Blue and green are the midpack fodder. Red and black are by far the slowest. Motorcycle 101, guys. I learned this right after I was taught to remove any and all exhaust restrictions because of the detrimental effects of back pressure on horsepower.
This board is really slipping into pseudoscience and innuendo.
"All ... colors matter!"
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After thinking on this for a bit , first let me apologize for being so strident earlier .
Anyway , it seems we have two different schools of thought re color . For me , riding has always simply been tactile and not visual , so color , chrome , exhaust note ,etc, has always been secondary to the smells and sensations of riding. However , it is apparent that there is a visual component to motorcycling that is important to some . Will try to be more understanding of that faction in the future, even though color and bling never registered with me . Carry on :laugh:
Dusty
I personally like the exhaust note and the "feel" of riding. But mostly I just like being outdoors. I don't care about color of a bike as long as it gets me there and back.
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After thinking on this for a bit , first let me apologize for being so strident earlier .
Anyway , it seems we have two different schools of thought re color . For me , riding has always simply been tactile and not visual , so color , chrome , exhaust note ,etc, has always been secondary to the smells and sensations of riding. However , it is apparent that there is a visual component to motorcycling that is important to some . Will try to be more understanding of that faction in the future, even though color and bling never registered with me . Carry on :laugh:
Dusty
There's a difference between riding and owning.
I can ride an ugly clap trap IF it works well enough and get roughly the same roughly the same visceral experience. I say roughly because at least a small part of that visceral experience includes the machine. I like looking at it, especially when taking a break. I like seeing it under me when under way. It's at least a part of the experience.
Let me put it this way, looks might night matter and it might feel the same with an ugly woman if the lights are off, but I'd rather keep them on.
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But my point was, and I guess I got distracted and never finished it.
Riding and owning aren't the same thing or necessarily have the same requirements. But there's no reason not to satisfy BOTH requirements.
I hate chrome BTW, but I like colors, and pleasing organic shapes, and a clean finished look.
Those things may not make it run better, but they don't prevent it from running well either and make it more enjoyable than one that runs equally well but looks like ass.
There's no reason not to demand both a functional AND good looking bike.
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My LMIII is Burgandy and black, "ghey" as hell and slow as a 7 year itch!
Pics!
And like the silver one Scorpione!
To contribute to the actual topic here, I'm in the "mostly care about colors but not a deal breaker" camp.
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Design trumps colors and engine trumps design.
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Design trumps colors and engine trumps design.
Sure, but why compromise... I want all 3.
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Sure, but why compromise... I want all 3.
Especially if it's my money. :wink:
Bill
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Sure, but why compromise... I want all 3.
By not getting all 3 you can lose them all. If you can that's great, but the original post suggests he's not going to purchase because of color. That's a bad compromise in my book.
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Riding and owning aren't the same thing or necessarily have the same requirements. But there's no reason not to satisfy BOTH requirements.
It's an interesting point... I do find myself staring at my bike now and then... just owning it. At those moments, I enjoy every detail of what I see -- and I'm fairly nuts about color.
These are two of my favorites:
(http://i59.tinypic.com/i50gtw.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/18irko.jpg)
and my current ride:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/19/952df65dcd0b3c76379529e2d4b280bb.jpg)
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By not getting all 3 you can lose them all. If you can that's great, but the original post suggests he's not going to purchase because of color. That's a bad compromise in my book.
Oh agreed, there comes a time to compromise.
But then again, as much as I love my V7, I don't think it's the only bike in the world.
I like a bit of variety too.
The REALLY IRONIC thing about this thread is that the OP seems to have abandoned the idea of a V7 cause he was told he couldn't get red, while the rest of the long time Guzzisti knew it was likely red would show up, and we are now being told that will or already have.
That seems to be much ado about nothing.
It's an interesting point... I do find myself staring at my bike now and then... just owning it. At those moments, I enjoy every detail of what I see -- and I'm fairly nuts about color.
and my current ride:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/19/952df65dcd0b3c76379529e2d4b280bb.jpg)
:thumb:
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If Guzzi were shmart they would have made the "Racer Kit" for the small blocks different. It should have been a set of side covers, tail piece and half fairing, with large recessed flat panels, along with a Guzzi vinyl graphic kit of your choice. Gloss white only would be ok with me.
When the panels are designed to work with stick on vinyls ..... a lot more customers looking for a unique look could easily design their own art bikes. :thumb:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/1400843_1_zps83umlwps.jpg)
Many other colors and patterns available!
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You guys are too much. You resurrect a thread after two and a half months? Really?
You rake me over the coals for wanting a red gas tank on my bike?
Nope. The thread was resurrected to point you to an available, red, V7II, here in America, not to further criticize you. Just click on the link you were given:
As pointed out by mickr69, not I Italian red, but red.
http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Windy-City-Triumph-2988506/listing/2016-Moto-Guzzi-V7-II-Stone-ABS-Rosso-Impetuoso-115178102
You forgot to say "thank you" to Kirk.
This whole thread is indeed the gayest thing I can remember on WG, and I'm talking about the responses, not the original post.
Moto
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This whole thread is indeed the gayest thing I can remember on WG
You mean, after your Avatar, right? :wink:
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You mean, after your Avatar, right? :wink:
Right!
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I just wanna sing and dance! :evil:
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I just wanna sing and dance! :evil:
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'Truck REALLY wants to sing and dance :grin:
Dusty
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Where are the Colorful feathers?
Even Dinosaurs had feathers! http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-fossil-reveals-velociraptor-sported-feathers!
Thats what the V7Racer is missing! Feathers!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/071615_Conversation_zpsdrmx1ry3.jpg)
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Bring on the show tunes you big 'ol Iowegian SAVAGE!! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Time for a square dance? All righty! I'll get my comfortable Guzzi dancing boots on.
They are light as a feather!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Feathered-Motorcycle-Boot_zpsdt9hvy1l.jpg)
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(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag65/guzzistajohn/roller-skating-dog1-847x1024_zps4bwnnjyf.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/guzzistajohn/media/roller-skating-dog1-847x1024_zps4bwnnjyf.jpg.html)
Couples only and NO SKATING BACKWARDS!
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OK.Finally gonna comment.
Many years ago, about 30 of 'em, I boldly stated: I ain't never gonna buy other black bike. Too hard to keep clean. Of course I have had several since then.
Color is far, far down the list.
A tiny fuel tank would be a dealbreaker.
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Then you are looking for a
date dancing partner!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/dog%20princess_zpsmogvteff.jpg)
Hi There!
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Fun and games aside, if I cant get the color I wanna wanna wanna, then I want NO color at all! So there!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Jimmy-Kuehnle-Invisible-Bike_zpsuunfysfg.jpg)
Watch out for this guy!
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Kevdog3019, Kev M,
See reply 36. And I never said I was giving up on Guzzi. I said I would wait
and see what November brought. BUT—If I see a red -tanked V7 II Stone at
my dealer, I'll probably get it. Mainly because my budget is so tight, and I
probably couldn't afford the rumored mid-size bike anyway, but I want to get
back on a Guzzi.
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As pointed out by mickr69, not I Italian red, but red.
http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Windy-City-Triumph-2988506/listing/2016-Moto-Guzzi-V7-II-Stone-ABS-Rosso-Impetuoso-115178102
Kirk,
Thanks for the link. Nice to know that the red is showing up in the US.
Now, if I can just get my dealer to order me one.
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It's satin, but it's pretty.
(http://31.222.134.33/imagestream/133913/1355889x800x600_FFFFFF_H.jpg)
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It's satin, but it's pretty.
(http://31.222.134.33/imagestream/133913/1355889x800x600_FFFFFF_H.jpg)
Uh , that isn't red :laugh:
Dusty
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(http://31.222.134.33/imagestream/133913/1355889x800x600_FFFFFF_H.jpg)
Sweet!
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Uh , that isn't red :laugh:
Dusty
It's impetuous!
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It's impetuous!
By Channel :grin:
Dusty
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Kirk,
Thanks for the link. Nice to know that the red is showing up in the US.
Now, if I can just get my dealer to order me one.
Your welcome, although I don't really expect gratitude for responding to a post.
I just was sharing a sighting of a red V7II. I wish it was the Italian bright red, but from the picture Rocker posted, it actually looks pretty good.
I think this thread has probably run it's course. :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu
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Another red 2016! Nice ride down 101 Jim :thumb:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcd/5124469844.html
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Another red 2016! Nice ride down 101 Jim :thumb:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcd/5124469844.html
Wow! I think that's what the op JimC was looking for. Good find.
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Jim? Have you informed the dealer you are unemployed? If so perhaps you can understand his skepticism about ordering in a bike. Especially if it is somehow expected to be 'Financed'. Certainly if someone wanted me to order in a bike and I knew they were unemployed unless they came in and paid up-front I'd view them as a dreamer and tyre-kicker. The chances of being given credit to buy virtually anything, never mind a toy, when unemployed in Oz are non existant. You'd just be viewed as too high a risk with no way to repay a loan.
Pete
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Now, that is a beautiful bike:
(http://images.craigslist.org/00R0R_hJb54h3uv7n_600x450.jpg)
Good thing I didn't see it before buying the Vespa yesterday! (I'm kidding: the Vespa will be of great benefit to my marriage since we can now ride together, on separate but similar bikes/scoots.)
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That tank would look really good with a green fuel cap.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/tomatoes-harvest-590_zpspvfybrib.jpg)
:grin:
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Jim? Have you informed the dealer you are unemployed?
No, just gave him some cash ($500 USD) for a deposit, and it never came up.
I have enough to pay cash for the bike, so that's not an issue.
Unfortunately, this dealer is no longer a Guzzi dealer, so it doesn't
matter anyway. I went in to look, and all they had was a '15 Stone
(not interested). I don't think they ever wanted to be a Guzzi dealer
anyway, and all they did was complain about requirements to carry
Guzzi. The manager or whoever said he needed the space for more
BMWs. (This place is basically a BMW dealership with Piaggio scooters.)
Anyway, I'll have to look at other options (aka dealers) to get my bike.
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Now, that is a beautiful bike:
(http://images.craigslist.org/00R0R_hJb54h3uv7n_600x450.jpg)
Good thing I didn't see it before buying the Vespa yesterday! (I'm kidding: the Vespa will be of great benefit to my marriage since we can now ride together, on separate but similar bikes/scoots.)
Meh, why even bother, the side covers are black. :evil:
(http://wildguzzi.com/forum/Smileys/default/Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif)
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According to the local Piaggio rep, with whom I spoke today, US dealers can now order the V7 II Stone with a glossy red tank. Bam! There you go.
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Was the rep named Chris?
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^ I thought it was Josh. The last name is Kane (or Caine).
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One of the reasons I like my 09 Pearl White V7 Classic was that it reminded me of the first new bike I wanted.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/kawasaki-h1-vintage-motorcycle-photo-of-the-day-82358-900x675_zpsxlg2iyld.jpg)
I had one of those back in the day, as well as a blue '71. Even toured long distances on them when I was younger and my body was able to take the punishment.
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Now, that is a beautiful bike:
(http://images.craigslist.org/00R0R_hJb54h3uv7n_600x450.jpg)
Good thing I didn't see it before buying the Vespa yesterday! (I'm kidding: the Vespa will be of great benefit to my marriage since we can now ride together, on separate but similar bikes/scoots.)
Yep, and easily sweeten
(http://www.corsaitaliana.com/WebRoot/GroupNBT/Shops/yp3bcw66xzdr/550A/DE47/3799/560B/EAB4/0A0C/05E0/F3F4/DSCF4191.JPG)
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Yep, and easily sweeten
(http://www.corsaitaliana.com/WebRoot/GroupNBT/Shops/yp3bcw66xzdr/550A/DE47/3799/560B/EAB4/0A0C/05E0/F3F4/DSCF4191.JPG)
While you're at it, I'd replicate the 850 LeMans paint on that red bike. Flat black on top and bottom of the tank, etc. black on sidecovers too. One thing about a custom paint job - no one else will have one like it.
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This 2011 interview with Miguel Galuzzi, Director of Design for Piaggio, and thereby Moto Guzzi, has been discussed here on Wildguzzi before (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=49065.0 (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=49065.0)), but it bears repeating, because here Galuzzi begins to address the subject of color.
As an aside, European and South American men and women have a more integral sense of fashion and design -- and are less likely to get all insecure and quickly associate color with a lack of masculinity.
The importance of color.
"We are going through a time of color blindness. People want things in black or white and, if they do choose a color, they go for grey.
Working for Aprilia and Guzzi, we don't think like that. We try to push new colors and the orange Stelvio is a good example."
I took that orange Stelvio down some dirt roads in the alps. It was a bit top heavy for the rough stuff, but it sure looked nice.
"Having on center concentrating on the two brands and having that center in Noale, Aprilia has this long history with colors and finish and whatnot. This is also the direction of Guzzi. So, the experimentation with colors that used to be impossible for Guzzi -- is going ahead. The burnt orange was intended for another type of vehicle, but we tried it on the Stelvio and decided this is great. And now it's the best selling Stelvio, because of the color. Color can make the bike be perceived better."
"The way we decide the colors is a big process that starts usually two years before the bike goes into production. We have an interface with people from the fashion world and look at the trends of motorcycles. We try to be as close to the fashion world as it is possible to get, but we first have to develop the colors to see if they work. In the case of the Stelvio and Griso, the colors were developed way ahead of production because they are very special colors that need a special process. Experience with Aprilia helps with this development."
Here is a better link to the interview itself: https://rideapart.com/articles/miguel-galluzzi-on-the-new-moto-guzzi (https://rideapart.com/articles/miguel-galluzzi-on-the-new-moto-guzzi)
According to the interview Galuzzi wasn't responsible for the V7 per se, but rather the V7 Racer. The Breva, Norge and Stelvio were all designed by Rodolfo Frascoli, long associated with Marabese Design. So the V7 itself seems to fall between Galuzzi and Frascoli... I'm curious about who actually designed the "new" V7.
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As an aside, European and South American men and women have a more integral sense of fashion and design --
And I'd believe that if "sense of fashion and design" were something quantifiable or measurable - but it's not. It's only a matter of taste and opinion; one person's "fashion sense" can't be better or worse than another's, it can only be more "in line" with the opinion of the talking-head fashion critics ....
Lannis