Wildguzzi.com
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Antietam Classic Cycle on May 06, 2015, 09:30:34 PM
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(http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2015/motorcycles/images/101_5532.jpg)
http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2015/motorcycles/index.htm
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What's the story on it? I assume it's heading for an auction?
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I will ;-T tell me where and when.... ;D and.... how much :( ?
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What's the story on it? I assume it's heading for an auction?
http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/
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I have seen a lot of Cali's, T's and T3's trying to look 'sporty' but never a Sport morphing into a Cali!
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Oh my eyes, my eyes...
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So Sad !
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I don't know the V7 Sport very well.
Is there any visual evidence from the photos, besides the decal on the side cover, that this is in fact a V7 Sport?
Lannis
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I don't know the V7 Sport very well.
Is there any visual evidence from the photos, besides the decal on the side cover, that this is in fact a V7 Sport?
Lannis
front brake and threaded header mounts.
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... rear brake, rear shocks, tank shape, toolbox shape, seat, gauges... There's no doubt in my mind.
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I remember seeing an old MGNOC newsletter that on the cover was a rally photo, Sylvan Grove maybe, bikes lined up on both sides of the road and all of them having Windjammers.
I suppose this guy wanted to be a wolf in sheeps clothing.
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http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2015/notes_from_jerry_wood.html (http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2015/notes_from_jerry_wood.html)
More details on what is there. No internet bidding and remote location may make for some good deals, but who knows. Some really cool stuff there.
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There are more Guzzis than just the V7 Sport at that auction:
(http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2015/1%20MO%20MGFLC%20F%20photo.jpg)
I also saw a V50 in pics in the link from the first post, and also a fuel tank that might be from a convert.
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There are more Guzzis than just the V7 Sport at that auction:
(http://www.jwoodandcompany.com/2015/1%20MO%20MGFLC%20F%20photo.jpg)
I also saw a V50 in pics in the link from the first post, and also a fuel tank that might be from a convert.
While I'm on a question-asking roll, is that an Airone 250 or a Falcone ..... ?
Lannis
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So many bikes, so little money :'(
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While I'm on a question-asking roll, is that an Airone 250 or a Falcone ..... ?
Lannis
Neither. Astore.
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Neither. Astore.
Had two chances out of three to get it right and I still missed it. It's why George Halas would never let the Bears throw a forward pass - only three things can happen, and two of them are bad!
Lannis
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So the auction is tomorrow.
http://www.jwoodandcompany.com
Bike in question is a 1973 V7 Sport WITH TITLE! Look at the list of bikes and the list of titles - pretty easy to collate.
There is a bewildering amount of stuff here. If I had only known about this a month ago....
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OK. Auctio report
V50. Sold for $3000
V7 sport sold for. $7,500.00
Astore. Sold for $20,000.00
Plus 10 per cent buyers premium
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I remember seeing an old MGNOC newsletter that on the cover was a rally photo, Sylvan Grove maybe, bikes lined up on both sides of the road and all of them having Windjammers.
shots taken in 1980 (Sylvan Grove):
(http://www.dankalal.net/1980trip2/image004.jpg)
(http://www.dankalal.net/1980trip2/image007.jpg)
(http://www.dankalal.net/1980trip2/image008.jpg)
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OK. Auctio report
V50. Sold for $3000
V7 sport sold for. $7,500.00
Astore. Sold for $20,000.00
Plus 10 per cent buyers premium
thankyou for that report Mike.
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thankyou for that report Mike.
Sounds like some healthy prices for the sellers!
Lannis
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Thanks for information........ ............ ;-T
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Sounds like some healthy prices for the sellers!
Lannis
Kind of a sad story actually. Seller is in an institution or old folks home with serious dementia. County was the one auctioning off his belongings to pay for his upkeep. Story as I heard it at the sale was that he came home from Vietnam was on disability and started buying stuff up. Wouldn't let anybody on his place. People knew he was collecting lots of stuff, but had no idea he's squirreled away this much. I talked to multiple people who'd known him for years and even they were flabbergasted. He wouldn't let anybody on his place. A hoarder of the truest sense. The sale was unbelievable. He had good tastes and didn't have any plain stuff. It was almost mind boggling to try and take it all in. Even after spending the entire day in there thursday we were still seeing bikes rolling out of the building at the end of the day that I didn't even remember seeing in there. It was difficult to wrap your mind around all of it. Prices were somewhat insane. The best you could hope for was reasonable, and if some of the high rollers wanted it good luck as they seemed to be willing to pay twice what it was worth to get it, if not more. His farm the second day of the sale was just as impressive. Shelving units built into buildings with rows after rows of part in them. A single minded obsession to get as much of it as he could. Left early Friday because of the rain, but was still worth the thousand mile round trip just to see some of the stuff they pulled out of that place. The NSU's and the Panthers were high points in my book. Came home with three clunkers. About half of a Guzzi 125, a Capriolo 100, and a BSA B40 military $850 in the three combined. Met a lot of neat people and ended up buying a Ducati single frame in the parking lot from somebody we were camped out next to Friday morning that made the trip worth while for me as it was something I really need.
TDF
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Kind of a sad story actually. Seller is in an institution or old folks home with serious dementia. County was the one auctioning off his belongings to pay for his upkeep. Story as I heard it at the sale was that he came home from Vietnam was on disability and started buying stuff up. Wouldn't let anybody on his place. People knew he was collecting lots of stuff, but had no idea he's squirreled away this much. I talked to multiple people who'd known him for years and even they were flabbergasted. He wouldn't let anybody on his place. A hoarder of the truest sense. The sale was unbelievable. He had good tastes and didn't have any plain stuff. It was almost mind boggling to try and take it all in. Even after spending the entire day in there thursday we were still seeing bikes rolling out of the building at the end of the day that I didn't even remember seeing in there. It was difficult to wrap your mind around all of it. Prices were somewhat insane. The best you could hope for was reasonable, and if some of the high rollers wanted it good luck as they seemed to be willing to pay twice what it was worth to get it, if not more. His farm the second day of the sale was just as impressive. Shelving units built into buildings with rows after rows of part in them. A single minded obsession to get as much of it as he could. Left early Friday because of the rain, but was still worth the thousand mile round trip just to see some of the stuff they pulled out of that place. The NSU's and the Panthers were high points in my book. Came home with three clunkers. About half of a Guzzi 125, a Capriolo 100, and a BSA B40 military $850 in the three combined. Met a lot of neat people and ended up buying a Ducati single frame in the parking lot from somebody we were camped out next to Friday morning that made the trip worth while for me as it was something I really need.
TDF
How does one buy all that stuff on a Vietnam-era disability check? I mean, I could see if he were trading and selling, buying collections and breaking them up etc, but just buying and hoarding it and not even riding it?
Sounds like the dementia started years ago, not just lately. That IS sad ... all that time collecting "stuff", and now it's all just going away. At least people are getting something out of it now.
Lannis
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How does one buy all that stuff on a Vietnam-era disability check? I mean, I could see if he were trading and selling, buying collections and breaking them up etc, but just buying and hoarding it and not even riding it?
Sounds like the dementia started years ago, not just lately. That IS sad ... all that time collecting "stuff", and now it's all just going away. At least people are getting something out of it now.
Lannis
I agree there had to be more to the story than what I was hearing. Maybe some inheritance or something. I don't know. I prodded but couldn't seem to find anybody that had any real idea. Even the people that had known him for years weren't sure what the full story was. He was that secretive. The guy with the collection's name was Jerry Lee Lewis (not that Jerry Lewis). He didn't even have a phone. Always told people if you want to get ahold of me send a post card. Didn't like being around people. That he was able to amass this much with that little contact just befuddles me.
TDF
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The V7 needed some serious parts and there were several problem wit the Astore as well. I had hoped to get one or the other but not at those prices. I understand there was some buyers remorse on the Astore. It was supposed to go to Switzerland but I'm not sure now..... I strayed and bought a 1948 C11 BSA............
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How does one buy all that stuff on a Vietnam-era disability check?
Lannis
There may have been other sources of income or inheritance. But, you have to remember, these vehicles weren't always collectable. I bought a 47 Indian Chief
basket case in 1975 for $75.00. The next year I bought a 72 Combat Commando Norton for 800.00 then traded it even for a 73 V7 Sport both running and driving. I once bought an Eldorado for 342.00, the guy wouldn't let me leave without it and it's all the cash my buddy and I had on us. My point is, when this guy bought these items, they were somebody's junk. Several years ago there was an auction in Glenview, I'm sure you saw the results of that one. I can't remember his name but, I heard he would clean out properties after the owner's death. He had a massive collection, the stuff sold for millions.
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There may have been other sources of income or inheritance. But, you have to remember, these vehicles weren't always collectable. I bought a 47 Indian Chief
basket case in 1975 for $75.00. The next year I bought a 72 Combat Commando Norton for 800.00 then traded it even for a 73 V7 Sport both running and driving. I once bought an Eldorado for 342.00, the guy wouldn't let me leave without it and it's all the cash my buddy and I had on us. My point is, when this guy bought these items, they were somebody's junk. Several years ago there was an auction in Glenview, I'm sure you saw the results of that one. I can't remember his name but, I heard he would clean out properties after the owner's death. He had a massive collection, the stuff sold for millions.
Yep, I guess I have to remember my own experiences from then .... I passed up on a running, on-the-road Indian Roadmaster Chief in 1979 for $900 .... if you're pretty single-minded about buying up old stuff, and eat lots of ramen noodles and baloney, I supposed it could be done.
Lannis
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Thanks for the report, TDF. I was really thinking about going but stuck to my guns of "one project at a time". A lesson learned from long ago with half a dozen half completed projects lying about and no fiscal control to finish just one. I too was really interested in the Guzzis and the Ariel VH. From the prices you mentioned, I would have brought back an empty trailer, though it sounded like quite an experience.
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The Ariel VH brought $2100, but it would have been quite a project. Was missing the primary cover, the foot pegs, the tool box etc. The tank had about 4 dents in it, and was missing a guage or two. The front fender was off a modern Enfield. I think the Mag, and the carb may have been gone as well. That was one I was there to watch also.
TDF
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I have yet to find the 'deal of a lifetime', as they old saying goes timing is everything, my timing seems to be wait till its collectible then buy it >:(
Yesterday I showed a couple of friends the 77 Le Mans I bought recently, mentioned I passed on a local 78 Le Mans that the seller wanted $15K. Buddy tells me that the owner of the local bike bought the 78 Le Mans for $2500 in 2007 when the shit hit the fan in the financial markets, partially restored, very nice bike, carried out periodic maintenance, rode it and is now moving on.
Apparently he may have been willing to accept a 'stupid' offer. I didn't want to low ball the bike ($15K CDN = $12K US) and it is splendid looking and the guy is a mechanic by profession who knows how to wrench not like a backyard hack like me.
I never have that kind of timing, but high sell low seems to be more the norm.
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I heard somewhere that vintage outboard boat motors were going up a lot in value - maybe a good collecting hobby for those areas with lots of small boats and guys who like fishing.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/outboard%20motors_zpsdmy7z0w1.jpg)
Shaft drive!
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I heard somewhere that vintage outboard boat motors were going up a lot in value - maybe a good collecting hobby for those areas with lots of small boats and guys who like fishing.
That figures, 10-years ago I gave away a 1938 Johnson 7.5 HP outboard to make some room in the garage.
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Story as I heard it at the sale was that he came home from Vietnam was on disability and started buying stuff up. Wouldn't let anybody on his place. People knew he was collecting lots of stuff, but had no idea he's squirreled away this much. I talked to multiple people who'd known him for years and even they were flabbergasted. He wouldn't let anybody on his place. A hoarder of the truest sense.
TDF
I wouldn't call him a hoarder, just a man who went to war, came back changed and made the collection his life's work. and I'm thankful for that life's work
As you said, Vietnam disability.
We probably generated a few from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Mark
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That figures, 10-years ago I gave away a 1938 Johnson 7.5 HP outboard to make some room in the garage.
Right before the market "popped", I'm sure. I gave away a 1947 5 HP Evinrude that "ran when parked" in dry storage at about the same time .....
Lannis
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not like a backyard hack like me.
Uhh, right. ::) You put Moe to shame.
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Uhh, right. ::) You put Moe to shame.
Yep. ;-T