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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bill Hagan on June 09, 2015, 10:17:57 PM
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I figure this post might get more views than my understandably ignored ride reports, etc. :wink:
So, there I wuz …
Late afternoon on a pleasant day in Cross Junction.
I was pampering the Norge for the ride to Swanzey next week. Aside from cleaning it up after my (pretty darn wet) 1500-mile mudder to Atlanta, mutton run to Kentucky, and back, I wanted to ensure all fasteners, etc., were secure,. Riding with some HonKawYamsters, and can’t be having any “Guzzi character moments.” :rolleyes:
So, I had the CD rocking and rolling to non-rock & roll. Actually, if you care, to this sort of thing, http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/recordings/detail/id/9281/, and the like. Yeah, I know. My German roots.
Anyway, as some of you know who have been here, we live 10 miles out in the country. Our house is about 150 yards off the main road, and the detached garage is similarly situated about 100 yards from the main house.
Kathi was/is grandbabysitting in what the geographically challenged call “Northern Virginia.” I was alone on the shop side of the 30 x 50 outbuilding on the Moto Grappa (shop) side.
I was engrossed in torquing something down when I happened to look up and saw a man through the closed dutch doors in the storage side of the garage. He was looking around, saw me, and jumped a bit. I went into “red mist” instantly, yelled at him to freeze, and grabbed my Beretta I have when I’m alone down there.
I had to chase an intruder out of our Atlanta home with a kitchen knife once, and since then I have preferred a pistol for such chores!
But this guy froze. Good choice.
I did not brandish the weapon or point it at him at any time, but he saw immediately I was armed, which tends to get a thinking person's attention.
Well, to cut to the chase, so to speak, he was, unlike the usual Atlanta BS artist with which I have considerable experience, not looking for money with some fake sob story, but really had run out of gas near our gate, and had come into the open garage door to ask if we might have some gas.
He had come in, and yelled out “Anybody here?” but my kraut marches apparently drowned that out, tho I must have heard something to make me look up and see him before he even saw me.
The guy said he lives up the road a few miles, understood my gun, would have done the same thing, and was grateful I let him a few gallons of gas. He offered to pay but I said just return the can. He did, btw, which demos yet another difference with my experiences in downtown Atlanta.
Oh, some Paul Harvey: he did return the gas can. And, he’s a small contractor. He’s coming back soon to do some tile and grout work at the house.
Just another day in (Iron) Cross Junction.
Bill
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Good responses on both your parts.
I always take those moments as good opportunities for drills. Run them like they were real, regardless.
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"All's well..."
Spud
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Fortunately most of us get in more rides than home defense drills I suspect, which may explain the variance in views: but did you really chose the location because of the (iron) Cross name and can you petition the Commonwealth to officially change the name? Just curious. And the German roots married to the polish beauty; its like kumbayah day at the UN. :grin: Glad all turned out well.
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You guys carry a gun while pottering around the house??? Things are that bad? Dam that sounds pretty sad really.
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You guys carry a gun while pottering around the house??? Things are that bad? Dam that sounds pretty sad really.
It is pretty sad and yes. I also carry a gun on my premises and have one handy while sleeping. Better to have one and not need it than the other way around. Every city in this country has stories of home invasions and robberies. Being trained and armed is no more than being a responsible citizen.
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It is pretty sad and yes. I also carry a gun on my premises and have one handy while sleeping.
Now I know what your dog is sitting on!
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You guys carry a gun while pottering around the house??? Things are that bad? Dam that sounds pretty sad really.
City folk will never understand country life.
Suburban folk will never understand life in the 'Hood on the wrong side of the tracks.
Frankly I'm surprised you didn't have a hound Catahoula or Plott announce his arrival. Heck even my spaniels would have barked --- then licked
So how many Guzzi's fit in the "garage"? guzzi content
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While I have to say I don't understand the whole firearms thing at least Bill is trained, sensible and conscientious. I don't think there would be likely to be any "Hey Bubba! Hold mah beer and watch this!" Episodes at Cross Junction.
Oh. I've been in the Moto Grappa. Room for many motorbikes! :D
Pete
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Et tu, Brute? :grin:
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Bill.. A Beretta..?
Your Peninsular-Bias is doing you a disservice, IMHO.
Shoulda gone for a BHP.
Or, more attuned to your Vandal ancestry, perhaps a Walther PPQ or a G19..?
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Always carry, like the old saying, why do you need so much HP don't really but it is nice to have when you need it :thumb:
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Damn, stuff can happen. Although I don't carry a firearm I respect the rights of others who feel the need. If you rely on the police to protect you are in danger.....I live in a somewhat rural area, our house is 350 feet from the road and concealed. We only lock the doors at night or when gone most of the day...A loaded shotgun is next to our bed upstairs. Or there's the Barnett Commando crossbow.....And various blunt instruments scattered around.
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You're gonna need that pistol when I come down to steal your entire garage. Still working on finding a BIG trailer.
Seriously, keep the music down so you can hear someone approach. Your Spidey Senses worked this time....
Cam
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You guys carry a gun while pottering around the house??? Things are that bad? Dam that sounds pretty sad really.
You carry fire insurance on the place you live? You're THAT afraid of fire? Dam that DOES sound pretty sad when you put it that way .....
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My mate Doug was having trouble with his bike. Isolated area. Walked to first house. No gun in face. Just help. No paranoia.
Change the culture - quickly!
Nick
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My mate Doug was having trouble with his bike. Isolated area. Walked to first house. No gun in face. Just help. No paranoia.
Change the culture - quickly!
Nick
That's why we can almost never have a reasonable discussion on the subject.
1) "Gun in face". Bill said exactly what he did, and he did NOT put a gun in the guy's face. You're exaggerating for a reason.
2) "Paranoia" - A mental disease that makes people afraid of fantasies. Bill already said that he's been assaulted once. It's not paranoia.
3) "Change your culture" - Now that you've exaggerated the problem, "you" need to be like "me" even though your circumstances are completely different.
Next up - Evolution questions asked by "fanatical Bible-thumping medieval ignoramuses".
Lannis
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That's why we can almost never have a reasonable discussion on the subject.
1) "Gun in face". Bill said exactly what he did, and he did NOT put a gun in the guy's face. You're exaggerating for a reason.
2) "Paranoia" - A mental disease that makes people afraid of fantasies. Bill already said that he's been assaulted once. It's not paranoia.
3) "Change your culture" - Now that you've exaggerated the problem, "you" need to be like "me" even though your circumstances are completely different.
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Why is it always the Cannuks?
If I had a nickel for every time a Canadian jumped into the middle of an American thread that included the dreaded three-letter-word, preaching their holier-than-thou BS, I'd be retired from this moderator job, living larger than Luap...
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Bill, I'm surprised you were carrying a Berreta. I had you figured as a Sig-Sauer man, a P220 in fact. I don't have to tell you how I feel about carrying a weapon. :wink: No recriminations re situational awareness. Just glad it was a drill and not "real life". Sorry we can't make National, but life has a way of interfering with living. Have a great time. Give Kathi a hug from Lorraine and me.
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Well , I see my attempt at distraction has failed . Damn fellas , come on , let's talk about ... oh I know , China . (Tongue in cheek here guys , tongue in cheek)
Dusty
China? I HATE China. Everytime I break a piece of Lorraines China I get in trouble and cut off, for a long long , did I mention a long time. :thewife: :evil:
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China? I HATE China. Everytime I break a piece of Lorraines China I get in trouble and cut off, for a long long , did I mention a long time. :thewife: :evil:
But it's good for target practice. Damn, there I go again, shooting from the hip.
Changing the subject again -even with some Guzzi content -I saw a bear during my 100 mile commute on the Breva this morning. Darn thing got away before I could draw my camera. And yes, I was deliberately tweaking Lannis. A fellas got to have a bit of fun.
Nick
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FULL DISCLOSURE : Lorraine doesn't have to look for an excuse. I'm pretty adroit at handing them to her. :grin:
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You probably made a friend for life. We have 3 yard dogs that will sound the alarm if someone drives up in a vehicle that they don't know. None are vicious and just want to be petted. But if you don.t know that.........
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And yes, I was deliberately tweaking Lannis. A fellas got to have a bit of fun.
Nick
"Tweaking Lannis" on that kind of issue is like trying to out-wrestle a pig in the mud. You get muddy, no progress is made, and after a while you realize that the pig really likes it!
Lannis
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OK, I suppose I should have known that � despite the relevant Guzzi content � this would deteriorate. Sigh.
That said, as (like the Dow :wink:) it seems to have added up again, I�ll add this, then maybe lock or delete the thing or sure understand if it disappears.
First, perhaps if any of you had � only about five years ago � turned around in your kitchen one evening to say something to your wife, and see a man come up behind her (and I mean against her :angry:), well, you might feel differently about the risks of reality. I grabbed a knife and ran him out of the house. A very disturbing event. Granted, in edgy urban downtown Atlanta, but it happened. I won't forget.
Second, as I sit in our dining room on this exceedingly pleasant morning in June, pecking this out (and working on routing to Swanzey), I have the front door wide open, and my small (Italian and American) arsenal (.40 cal. 9000 and 12-gauge Remington) located appropriately elsewhere in the house.
In other words, I don�t pack 24-7. I can hear and see if anyone is coming up the gravel driveway, so I do not feel constantly threatened or in fear. [In fact, Mr. Brown just delivered a big air bed for our overflow Swanzey-bound company].
I am mindful, however, that, while this is rural Virginia, I do not live in utopia. And, if LEO�s don�t know where those two escaped N.Y. murderers are � http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/10/us/new-york-prison-break/index.html � they might be near us � or you.
Bear in mind, too, that the man yesterday was not merely �on my property� or even at the front door seeking assistance by knocking on the door.
He was not only within the curtilage, but inside my garage. [That place holds three Guzzis just now, but will have five more motorcycles in there next Tuesday night. :laugh:
See these pix. I was on the other side of those double doors
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OK, back to topo maps and planning that great ride next week.
Bill
P.S. If it weren't for our monthly trips to Atlanta on Mom's eldercare "duty roster," a dog would be a great idea. I see one in our future, but in the meantime, the guns cost less. :laugh:
[Edited to ask what all those little diamonds are? I thought it was a Safari thing with the new board, so used firefox for this, but still there.
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Would it have been different if he'd crossed the red line? :whip2:
Seriously though, it turned out well for everyone.
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P.S. If it weren't for our monthly trips to Atlanta on Mom's eldercare "duty roster," a dog would be a great idea. I see one in our future, but in the meantime, the guns cost less. :laugh:
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Glad you didn't shoot him. Good contractors are hard to come and don't need herd thinning.
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We don't know if he's any good at contracting, and Bill's option is still open. :boozing:
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Good to hear that the guy was legit but even better to hear that you were ready if he wasn't. My wife and I are both CWP holders and wouldn't leave home without packing. When I'm working in my workshop at the rear of our property, I always carry. Every day, the news sites & local paper have stories re. someone being robbed (or worse) during home invasions, at grocery stores, mall parking lots, etc. Glad to hear that you had the good sense to be prepared rather than becoming a potential victim.
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Nice dog!
In terms of intruders, does he:
1) Drown them in jowls and slobber?
2) Scare them to death with a giant deep "WOOF"!
3) or actually square off and back down and chase bad guys?
Some of those dogs are real pussycats, some still have the instinct ....
Lannis
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Bill, you'v been to my humble hovel. I don't remember if I showed you our arsenal, or not. For those that I have not had the honor of hosting her, think of the movie Tremors. :grin: :wink: You may not have been aware at the time, but at no time were you more than 10 feet/3 paces away from a weapon. We have a weapon within arms reach at each door. Hidden/concealed, and secured. An intruder in my home a few years ago, (a recently released inmate) and my former line of work I think dictates prior preparation. It's only paranoia until the fecal matter hits the rotating ventilation device, then it becomes PPPPPP. Something not mentioned, and something that urban residents don't think/deal with is local wild life. More than once I have been confronted by coons, possums, and skunks in my yard over the past years. We also have coyotes around here. Any coon/skunk/possum sighted in the yard during daylight hours is dispatched with extreme prejudice. The risk of them being rabid is high. I'm not risking my grandkids or dog. A coyote sighted at ANY time is similarly dealt with. So having a weapon when needed, is always preferable to to not having it. Plus they are just plain fun to master. I miss shooting IDPA competitively. Weapons are used daily properly much more often than they are misused. BTW, the gun is not the weapon, I AM THE WEAPON. The gun is merely a tool.
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You carry fire insurance on the place you live? You're THAT afraid of fire? Dam that DOES sound pretty sad when you put it that way .....
Nah, around here, we don't carry fire insurance, we just move to another cave.
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I had my Commando for a week. Riding in the country before a second shift job, I had a flat and coasted to a dirt driveway. A frail voice from the woods asked, "Are you alright?" I said yes and this old, old guy shuffled from the trees and I asked if he had a phone. Nope. Can I leave my bike here and walk back to Pontiac to call a friend? Yep. 10 feet down the driveway he says "Aw hell, I got a phone. (I spied the overhead line walking up)I just wanted to see if you were OK." So we walk towards the sharecropper's home and Maw was sittin' on the porch in a chair that many years prior had been the inside furniture. Paw says "you can put the pistol away now, he's OK" I spent 3 hours there waiting for Gary and heard the story of the Shehorn clan. After 25 years, I still think of them and smile. Guzzi was much later.
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RR, that sounds like my mommas side of the family. Redneck hillbiliies every one, and good honest hard workin folk. Proud to have their DNA in me.
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You carry fire insurance on the place you live? You're THAT afraid of fire? Dam that DOES sound pretty sad when you put it that way .....
Look my comment was not mean't to spark a gun debate. It was just a comment. I lived in Boulder/Denver CO for 10 years so I'm somewhat familiar with the gun culture/issue in the US and I know Americans are fiercely defensive of their "right" to bear arms. However I will respond to Lannis's post and I will not respond any further to this thread.
The fire analogy is a good one. A life threatening fire in my home is a rare event, never likely to happen in my lifetime. I have fire and theft insurance but I'm not afraid of a fire happening. Never even think about it really. I don't, however, carry a fire extinguisher on me around the house or go to sleep with one next to the bed. Anyone who did, could understandably described as overly paranoid.
Bill, your gun carrying is more understandable given the experience with the intruder you described and yes, it is sad that in some places these things happen enough that some people feel they have to go to these sort of measures to feel safe.
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Bill.. A Beretta..?
Your Peninsular-Bias is doing you a disservice, IMHO.
Shoulda gone for a BHP.
Or, more attuned to your Vandal ancestry, perhaps a Walther PPQ or a G19..?
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Like this? ......bit of a early B-day gift to myself to keep my CZ in good company! :cool:
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Just read OP and ignored other responses.
Well done on everyone's part: chilly and reasonable.
I could tell you about my home invasion in Tunis, Tunisia. But that gets really, really ugly and did not end well for the four intruders.
Shook me up big time though, very traumatic.
Nobody should ever try an invasion at my house. I pack a 12 gauge Remington auto in the closet, and know how to use it. TEXAS is very clear on self defense.
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Bill, glad it was a good outcome for all.
Those little diamond things have white question marks on them (reading this with iPhone). Weird. Some sort of fancy font you're using?
Nick, sorry mate, but that is not a handsome dog. :shocked:
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Look my comment was not mean't to spark a gun debate. It was just a comment. I lived in Boulder/Denver CO for 10 years so I'm somewhat familiar with the gun culture/issue in the US and I know Americans are fiercely defensive of their "right" to bear arms. However I will respond to Lannis's post and I will not respond any further to this thread.
The fire analogy is a good one. A life threatening fire in my home is a rare event, never likely to happen in my lifetime. I have fire and theft insurance but I'm not afraid of a fire happening. Never even think about it really. I don't, however, carry a fire extinguisher on me around the house or go to sleep with one next to the bed. Anyone who did, could understandably described as overly paranoid.
Bill, your gun carrying is more understandable given the experience with the intruder you described and yes, it is sad that in some places these things happen enough that some people feel they have to go to these sort of measures to feel safe.
Don't pay much attention to world news do you. I hope chance and good fortune continue to smile on you and your comfortable world is never invaded by the reality that is only one step outside your door.
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Look my comment was not mean't to spark a gun debate. It was just a comment. I lived in Boulder/Denver CO for 10 years so I'm somewhat familiar with the gun culture/issue in the US and I know Americans are fiercely defensive of their "right" to bear arms. However I will respond to Lannis's post and I will not respond any further to this thread.
The fire analogy is a good one. A life threatening fire in my home is a rare event, never likely to happen in my lifetime. I have fire and theft insurance but I'm not afraid of a fire happening. Never even think about it really. I don't, however, carry a fire extinguisher on me around the house or go to sleep with one next to the bed. Anyone who did, could understandably described as overly paranoid.
That's a reasonable response (well, except for the "quotes" around "right". It IS in fact a right in the USA).
I DO, however, carry a fire extinguisher in my car, have one on my tractor, one in my garage, and one in my kitchen. Have I ever had to use one? No. Do I worry about fires all the time? No. Would the fire marshal, the police, any safety expert, or any reasonable person call me "paranoid" for having them around?
No.
Lannis
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Good to see it turned out well for both of you Bill.
Out here it is quite a rigmarole to even get a gun licence (I have one) and a real nightmare to get a licence for a pistol. Also very tough to get an endorsement to own an MSSA (military style semi automatic). The Ruger 10/22 is ok with the small mag, and I think ok with the 50 shot box. The 25 shot banana mag is not, along with a pistol grip o0n a rifle. The whole gun culture is quite different out here.
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Good to see it turned out well for both of you Bill.
Out here it is quite a rigmarole to even get a gun licence (I have one) and a real nightmare to get a licence for a pistol. Also very tough to get an endorsement to own an MSSA (military style semi automatic).
Well, thank goodness someone's got some sense at LEAST in naming the things. "Military style semi automatic" is an accurate description of what the anti-gunners and their punks (the media) call "Assault Rifles" here.
Lannis
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Easy there Lannis , you might show folks how you really think . See , I also have a good memory :grin:
Dusty
Ummm ... yeah, thanks, I think. Apparently my memory is not so good, though ....
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Oh just something from a while back , you will remember , or not :wink:
Dusty
It's late, we're starting to babble, go to bed.
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Like this? ......bit of a early B-day gift to myself to keep my CZ in good company! :cool:
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/Doublestack/DSC02071_zpsxl1csaly.jpg)
Yup, exactly like that... :cool:
BTW, I have similar grips on my own BHP ... :thumb:
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That's great. "Come near me and I'll drown you in spit!"
Pete
Sorry, just realised there was a page of ranting I'd missed. The reply was to the slobbery dog post by Lannis, :D
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Nice dog!
In terms of intruders, does he:
1) Drown them in jowls and slobber?
2) Scare them to death with a giant deep "WOOF"!
3) or actually square off and back down and chase bad guys?
Some of those dogs are real pussycats, some still have the instinct ....
Lannis
That's just a stock photo that I like, of a Neapolitan Mastiff. They can be very territorial, if trained properly.
This is my boy, Tuono, a Cane Corso Italiano, a very good guard dog.
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Yup, exactly like that... :cool:
BTW, I have similar grips on my own BHP ... :thumb:
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You might know, a Guzzi guy with one of those weird Dan Wessons.. :boozing:
I have two. :smiley:
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That's just a stock photo that I like, of a Neapolitan Mastiff. They can be very territorial, if trained properly.
This is my boy, Tuono, a Cane Corso Italiano, a very good guard dog.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s180/ndicroce/IMG_2553_zpsaowcivad.jpg) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/ndicroce/media/IMG_2553_zpsaowcivad.jpg.html)
That's a big boy there.
If I'm in a hotel room with cable, sometimes I'll turn on one of those "Real Cop" shows to see if they feature any police dogs. It's fascinating to see some fugitive who's been surrounded by the cops in the middle of the street, or backed into an alley, out of his mind on speed, shirtless, barefooted, with a long knife in his hand shouting for the cops to "come and get me", ready to die in the attempt .... and they send in a dog.
The second the guys sees it coming, he drops his knife, squeals like a little girl, and turns and runs until the dog knocks him down and holds him.
My son came to the house late one evening, after dark, had parked his car over at the shop. He walked toward the house, and our Jack let loose a couple of "Who are you?" barks from the porch. My son said it was a fearsome sound, he imagined the Hound of the Baskervilles, and if this wasn't his old home and he belonged there, he would have turned and run like a rabbit. And this is just a friendly Border Collie.
Dogs are good friends and watchers, well, most of them.
Lannis
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OK, I'm not big on having guns in the home but I am considering purchasing a handgun and a shotgun since we live in a rural area with no permanent yearlong residents. Our neighbors are summer weekends or vacation owners.
Do any of you have any recommendations for a reasonably priced 9mm auto that the wife could use or have one for sale? Thinking about going to one of the local gun stores around here and buying a used auto 12 gage shotgun.
Dean
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Revolvers are great when the user has little to no experience in the use of a weapon. Literally point and shoot. No safeties to fumble with, no slide to rack, or malfunction clearing drills to learn. And a properly timed revolver is a joy to shoot.
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OK, I'm not big on having guns in the home but I am considering purchasing a handgun and a shotgun since we live in a rural area with no permanent yearlong residents. Our neighbors are summer weekends or vacation owners.
Do any of you have any recommendations for a reasonably priced 9mm auto that the wife could use or have one for sale? Thinking about going to one of the local gun stores around here and buying a used auto 12 gage shotgun.
Dean
Dean -
She really needs to go to a gun store (or come to my house) and try the different types of guns.
Depending on the size and strength of her hands, some guns may be too "intimidating" for her to want to use it even if she needs to.
She should try firing some .38 revolvers, and some .380 and 9mm automatics, single and double-action. They also come with lasers so you can put the spot on what you want to hit and pull the trigger.
Also matters if she wants to carry it or not, or just have it around the place where she can get to it.
Fay and I did all that, tried 'em all, and she chose a S&W Model 442 .38 cal five-shot revolver, to which I've added a Crimson Trace laser ....
Lannis
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I like wheel guns, too.. especially for someone that needs retrained every time she takes a break. <looking over shoulder> :smiley:
Dean, there's something about the sound of a pump shotgun being cycled that would probably send an intruder on the run. It's a good home defense gun.
For those that make light of having a gun in the house.. We never even locked our doors out here in the country when I was growing up. There was no need. A couple of years ago, some dirtbag murdered Dorcia's 89 year old cousin and stole his TV and safe. Another old codger was murdered about 20 miles from here for the same reason. Need I say they only get caught on TV? :evil:
If someone breaks into our house, they may well have made the last in a life filled with bad decisions.
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I agree with the comments about trying different guns to see what fits her. The best weapon is the one you can use.
Also, many people become victims of their own firearm when they display it to the perp but then let the bad guy relieve them of it. If she's going to carry, she needs to be resolved to use it, accepting all the consequences of pulling the trigger. Unless she is prepared to use deadly force and live with herself afterward, she should not be carrying.
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For those that make light of having a gun in the house.. We never even locked our doors out here in the country when I was growing up. There was no need. A couple of years ago, some dirtbag murdered Dorcia's 89 year old cousin and stole his TV and safe. Another old codger was murdered about 20 miles from here for the same reason. Need I say they only get caught on TV? :evil:
If someone breaks into our house, they may well have made the last in a life filled with bad decisions.
We grew up out in the country, a mile from the next nearest house. Easy pickings IF no one is home, certainly.
About 1968 (shortly after my Dad died), some local redneck deer hunters shot a deer about 50 feet from our house (from their truck window, as is the traditional habit of many of our local "hunters" from time immemorial).
As they piled out their truck to come get it, my Mom came out of the house with a shotgun leveled at them (a .410 loaded with a slug, but they didn't know how likely it was they might be the lucky one) and dared them to take one more step. They got back in their truck and left; Mom called the game warden to come pick up the deer and hear the story.
Forty-three years later, to the day she died, word was around the local drug users (they're the one's who break into houses and kill people and steal TVs to feed their habit) that "That lady in that house has a gun and isn't afraid to use it". We never had anything messed with. That may be part luck, and may change as bad guys get bolder, but it's a factor in why things are sometimes safer in the country. Criminals are stupid, but (like crows) they're cunning. They won't break in somewhere where they know there's an even chance they'll be killed and the sheriff will be shaking the homeowner's hand. They'll pick a "gun-free" zone, and do the killing themselves. Just makes sense.
Lannis
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Cindy is good with a shotgun as we used to do some trap shooting at clay pigeons. In fact she was better than me. We'll get her some pistol range time after purchase.
Dean
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Dean -
She really needs to go to a gun store (or come to my house) and try the different types of guns. < snip >
Agreed..
About 10 years ago, when my wife decided that she wanted her own firearm, we applied a similar methodology ( she also took a Firearms Safety Course ) After sampling varied firearm choices, she chose a Glock 19 for herself; which is a wise choice, IMHO.
It features a fairly small frame, yet offers a large capacity of 9mm ctgs. It is definitely accurate, notably reliable and is as close to the intrinsic "point and shoot" interface typical of a Revolver as you can get in an autoloader.
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Dean, I own a bunch of pistols (varied calibers & sizes) but my overall favorite that is easy to rack is my Walther PPS. I use it as my carry gun, 99% of the time. It conceals well for a 9mm in a quality "in the pants" holster, has minimal recoil and is easy to shoot accurately at any distance where you would have to ever use it. There are plenty of other good pistols in the 9mm/40mm size from Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson and HK. I almost bought an HK after shooting one that is owned by a good friend because it was a very good pistol but went with the Walther PPS due to the size and ease of handling.
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Agreed..
About 10 years ago, when my wife decided that she wanted her own firearm, we applied a similar methodology ( she also took a Firearms Safety Course ) After sampling varied firearm choices, she chose a Glock 19 for herself; which is a wise choice, IMHO.
It features a fairly small frame, yet offers a large capacity of 9mm ctgs. It is definitely accurate, notably reliable and is as close to the intrinsic "point and shoot" interface typical of a Revolver as you can get in an autoloader.
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When Lorraine and I worked for the Feds, she carried a G19. Very good weapon. Now her EDC is a Sig 938 9mm. Slim profile, anvil like reliability, and a smaller package to carry. It does have lesser capacity than the G19. We carry Hornady Critical Duty ammo in it.
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Folks bein' folks... I'll pass on the debates as I stick to firearms talk with firearms fans... Never once e-media corrected a flawed opinion on firearms ownership/use in literally hundreds of opportunities and ain't gonna re-start nor defend my position now.
What I do want is to be able to replicate the custom Toronado up-arear of this rendition honey wielding her, what... Winchester 1400?
Toronado, El Dorado... I like the concept.
Todd.
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Olds Toronado
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And, Remington 1100
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Actually crows are pretty smart , at least smarter than most criminals :grin:
Dusty
Well, some smart. I have a scarecrow named Jobu and an owl named Winnie protecting my garden, and the crows don't know that they're not real.
After one crow was terminated with extreme prejudice at the edge of .22 Magnum range, the rest of them haven't come near for months ....
So yes, a bit like criminals.
Lannis
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glad everything came out ok. my favorite anecdote is from radio broadcaster Adam Corrola. He keeps a shotgun under the bed, the first two rounds filled with rock salt, the others, well, you get the idea. From his experience, the iconic sound of a shotgun being primed with rapid footsteps tends to scare away trouble. Plus, if he is under duress to shoot, the victim will most likely be incapacitated, and will not be able to sue Adam for his home and bank account.
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Actually crows are pretty smart , at least smarter than most criminals :grin:
Dusty
you are absolutely right, they have some kind of facial recognition and can call other ravens. Someone drove over a raven near my house, there must have been slightly less than 100 ravens show up, mostly down by the body of the dead raven. Lets just say people were driving on the other side of the road until I disposed of the carcass
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Actually crows are pretty smart , at least smarter than most criminals :grin:
Dusty
Just "smart enough", IMO.
IMO, if you are going to shoot a crow, you should not let it see your gun.
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Crows can count. If 5 guys walk into a blind and 4 come out, they won't come near. At least, that's what I've read about them..
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Lordy.
What have I wrought?
A bunch of raven madmen.
Nevermore will I poest such again.
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Bill
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Bill, you owe me a screen and keyboard. The tea I spewed forth, reading your post, has toasted my laptop. :grin: :azn:
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Oh c'mon Bill , surely an attorney of your stature can appreciate any creature that is involved in so many murders and never does any time :wink:
Dusty
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Ye gads,a murder of crows, ravens nevermore, all within the curtilage!! Must be brief or the Association of Old Crows may home in on this pigeon, er signal.
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glad everything came out ok. my favorite anecdote is from radio broadcaster Adam Corrola. He keeps a shotgun under the bed, the first two rounds filled with rock salt, the others, well, you get the idea. From his experience, the iconic sound of a shotgun being primed with rapid footsteps tends to scare away trouble. Plus, if he is under duress to shoot, the victim will most likely be incapacitated, and will not be able to sue Adam for his home and bank account.
I keep a sawed-off 12ga loaded similarly... first shell is very light birdshot, then a few 00buckshot, and a couple PDX1 for the finishing move
I figure even the sound of racking the first shell into the chamber should get most people headed the opposite direction quick... if that doesn't work, a little bang & pepper with the birdshot should send them scamperin'... If I need a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th shot... well it's all castle doctrine at that point
As far as CCW.. I skip the little Keltec 9mm my dad gave me and lug a huge & heavy Glock 21 that LOOKS the business if I ever had to whip it out. I am looking a lot more for deterrence than actually having to use it. Besides a Desert Eagle .50 or a long barrel .44mag I don't think any other pistols LOOK as imposing as a big square black Glock
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Birdshot, raven lunatics, where will this thread take us? :grin:
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Besides a Desert Eagle .50 or a long barrel .44mag I don't think any other pistols LOOK as imposing as a big square black Glock
A nickel-plated 1911...
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I thought some might find this article in todays New York Times interesting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/nyregion/guns-at-hand-a-prison-town-traces-a-manhunt-for-escaped-killers.html?ref=nyregion
I am sure the reporter from the city may have learned a few things about folks in the rest of the state.
"Guns are a part of life in the North Country, the thickly wooded tracts at the uppermost edge of New York State. There are hunting rifles, but here in the shadow of the state’s largest maximum-security prison, they keep pistols and revolvers, too, most often unloaded — just in case.
At Vann’s Gun Shop & Reloads in nearby Plattsburgh, one of the owners, Mary Vann, said she had not seen a run on ammunitions, nor sold any more than usual of her top seller, a .40-caliber Smith & Wesson pistol, since the escape. There was no need.
“Everybody is pretty well armed up here to begin with,” she said. “We are prepared up here for almost anything.” "
Pete
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Wife and semi-auto do not mix well. I bought a Ruger LCR .38+P for her and she likes it. Best trigger on any DAO revolver IMO. A Bersa BP9CC is my dog walker. Very, very nice trigger, short reset and dead nuts accurate. Zero malfunctions.
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Dean -
She really needs to go to a gun store (or come to my house) and try the different types of guns.
Depending on the size and strength of her hands, some guns may be too "intimidating" for her to want to use it even if she needs to.
Lannis
Dean
Good Idea from Lannis but I also must add --make sure she can rack the slide or remove the mag if a semi I went through this with a Walther PPK that I bought for my wife. The trigger shortens when the slide is racked with is great for her small Cantonese hands but even I had trouble racking the slide - if felt like it had a 40 lb recoil spring.
Also mention to her Big Gun = little recoil, little gun = Big Recoil given the same round.
My 83 year old mother "borrowed" my S & W - J frame 38 for her motorhome travels protection.
I keep lust for the S & W model 60, 3" barrel, J frame with small grip and .357 to own. A nice little wheelgun.
Still I believe this is my best "deterrent" that causes bad people to go elsewhere:
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There are advantages to having a dog breed that has been a prison guard dog for over a century.
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What kinda dawg is that ??
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Is she wearing hearing protection? I'd gladly put my fingers in her ears.
Oh well,
In my garage it's Machetes, knives and occasional firearm cleaning. Folks tend not to hang around on the sidewalk when they see this through the open garage door.
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Tobit
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Wow Tobit- that looks like a heavy piece. Varmint grade bbl, obviously. What cal. is that bad boy? I have a Savage 112-V single shot heavy bbl rifle; .220 swift but it's nowhere near as massive as that tube. And Lannis, interesting to read about your crow exploits. Our neighborhood is awash in the big black birds; they seem to have no natural predators. They destroy all the songbird families they can; I see the broken eggs. I could "handle" them, but my county/city won't allow it. No firearm discharging allowed, excepting the true self defense scenarios of course. Which thankfully are rare in my neighborhood. Like in never, that I know of.
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. And Lannis, interesting to read about your crow exploits. Our neighborhood is awash in the big black birds; they seem to have no natural predators. They destroy all the songbird families they can; I see the broken eggs. I could "handle" them, but my county/city won't allow it. No firearm discharging allowed, excepting the true self defense scenarios of course. Which thankfully are rare in my neighborhood. Like in never, that I know of.
RRB, feel free to decimate the crow population in your area. When they ask about the self defense scenario, show Hitchcock's the "The Birds". :laugh: :evil:
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What kinda dawg is that ??
Louisiana Catahoula Leopard dog, State dog of Louisiana, Bred by Louisiana state prison for about 100 years.
The generally accepted history is it's a Cur of DeSoto brought Mastiffs and Greyhounds to the new world as hunters and man-killers as he pillaged Florida to Louisiana 1539 -1542 looking for gold to steal, just like he did in Peru. The dogs were left behind which interbred with the Red Wolf and later the French Beauceron that the new settlers brought in.
http://www.abneycatahoulas.com/history.php
Being short fur and webbed feet they are good in swamps for the Catahoula Parish for which they are named.
These dogs are used as Bear, Boar, Hog hunters, Cattle herding and Prison Dogs.
I look at them as the 'Merican Doberman with extra skills.
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not-fishing, reply #89
Interesting link thanks mate :grin: