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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vasco DG on June 16, 2015, 04:53:32 PM
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OK, so my mountebank has confirmed my skeleton is stuffed. Degenerative osteoarthritis has galloped into my life and I can look forward to increasing pain and hassle. So? What treatments are you other wrecks using to cope?
Pete
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Prednesone and Methotrexate. The weight gain associated with these pills is offset by the shedding of teeth and hair. By 2015 standards it's a medieval therapy, but still widely used. I'd prefer something with fewer bad side effects.
Today my elbows and thumbs are most affected. Tonight it will be my shoulders and lower back. :weiner:
the best therapy I've found is to have a reason to not give in to the vegemite temptation (desire to veg and do nothing while hoping tomorrow will be better). Tomorrow won't be better, and physically stagnating is a sure way to 'lock up' forever. My trike project has been the focus of my therapy -- keeps me in motion, stays just out of reach as a goal, and lets me explore the wonders of my condition one bone or joint at a time.
Good luck with it.
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Yeah , RK is correct , activity and hands full of ibuprofen , which of course leads to an ulcer :cry:
Dusty
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It won't cure you but see a physical therapist about exercises you can do to stay flexible and reduce some of the pain. I'd stay as far away from Prednisone as possible. Nasty side effects...at least for me.
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Copious amounts of alcohol. :boozing:
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Join a YMCA and start swimming. Hard, and at least every other day. :whip2: Make time for it and just do it. It does help. A couple cold beers when you leave the Y don't hurt either. Nothing is going to cure it, but this will slow down the progression. Works for me.
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There is some research that indicates diet may also play a factor .
Dusty
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PT every morning, push ups help me the most. When I started could only do about 4, now can do 2 sets of 20. Same on the deep knee bends (well 3/4 deep) could only do about 5 now 2 sets of 30.
Diet to loose weight. My back surgeon recommends PT and or Pilades, other wise back surgery is imminent.
Sorry.
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I have arthritis in my hands. I went wheat/gluten free to try to loose some weight after a couple of weeks I noticed the pain was gone. Christmas time I indulged in holiday treats within one week pain was back. Trying to stay on track now.
Sal
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It won't cure you but see a physical therapist about exercises you can do to stay flexible and reduce some of the pain. I'd stay as far away from Prednisone as possible. Nasty side effects...at least for me.
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Avoid the drugs , side affects are worse than the pain. I get it bad in the hands and find a hot soak in Epsom salt helps until I have to abuse them again. I know people who swear by yoga and they're a lot older and more flexible than I am. Hope you find some relief Pete. Dave
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A life in construction helped my neck become a mess. I had severe arm pain muscle pain for the last 4 months so the Doc sent me to PT...I was doing Yoga about 6 months before the pain. The PT lady was good but nothing came of it pain wise...So I stopped the PT and Yoga...Went back to the Doc and he examined me again. He put pressure on my arm while I moved it....He would press and I jump in pain. Doc said it's likely my spinal arthritis and compressed discs are pinching on the nerve to the arm......Since that day about a month ago I have been pain free. Like the Doc did something magical. And I believe the Yoga and PT was aggravating the problem I just got a MRI of the neck , will see if the Doc calls me........I am back to my normal routine in the shop and I can ride the bike with no pain.......
I've never had chronic pain and 5 months of it made me edgy. You guys with chronic pain...It f***ing sucks...
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What they are saying about exercise, swimming is the best for me, I also have a small farm and have quite a bit of physical work to do and this helps to keep me moving. The drugs tear my stomach up and I avoid them to include Celebrex/Prednisone/Motrin/Aspirin, Tylenol is all I use and that is used sparingly. Good luck with your treatment.
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(snipped) You guys with chronic pain...It f***ing sucks...
:angry: Big Time.
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Some good ideas here. Also get an inversion Table, not inversion boots. Over a few weeks take your inversion table down to 45 degree, anymore won't help but will screw with your blood pressure. The act of flipping gravity on your body can make a substantial difference in your ability to move. 10 min each day or two helps me a lot. Its fun too!
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Yoga and or Tai chi. Prior to breaking my leg I had done about 10 years of Aikido. For some reason, getting thrown all over the mat did wonders for my back issues. You need to stay active.
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I think my inversion table is one of the best investments I've ever made in my therapy.
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Learn and practice Tai Chi. Do it every day.
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"Severe Degenerative Arthritis" per the doc at the VA. Right thumb. Hurts most when I ride. They gave me two different types of braces to wear to immobilize my thumb and damned if it doesn't eliminate about 90% of it! They wanted to give me a shot of whatchmacallit and I told them after wearing the brace religiously, no need. They also gave me a tube of Lidocaine cream, but I have yet to use it. Thank you VA!!! Now if I could just find a way to hold onto the throttle on my bikes without the pain.
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If you are currently seeing a regular M.D. seek out a D.O. (Osteopath), they can sometimes work miracles with skeletal stuff. D.O.'s are sorta like Chiropractors with an actual medical degree, very holistic and much in to looking at the big picture and lifestyle. They have to get a regular MD first and follow it on with a couple years of specialty training.
http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic-health/pages/find-a-do-search.aspx
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Copious amounts of alcohol. :boozing:
and maybe some pot...
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Neurosurgeon, told me to keep riding my sidecar rigs, as the pushing and pulling of the bars seam to be building up the core muscles and relieving the stress on my bulging disks.
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and maybe some pot...
homemade and home grown :thumb: Just don't put oak in fresh shine or use the wrong seeds...
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I haven't yet done Ti Chi, but I have high hopes for it. And if u can get your have Cs o. Some Canabis, do it.
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and maybe some pot...
Not 'some' pot, but lots of pot. with future weather predictions of extra warm and sunny, WA is going to fill up with oldsters. Taxes may be too high to keep it from being the new Pheonix, tho.
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Yes, pot helps the pain and increases range-of-motion, but it's not a real good idea until you're all-in for the night. Like alcohol, it can interfere with your piloting skills.
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Tried sour cherry juice,white raisins soaked in gin,turmeric all to no avail.Inversion table almost ruined me and I sold it the next day.Make sure you don't have a spinal issue before you fool with that thing.
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Broken neck in '86, and multiple shoulder and knee injuries have me in pain most of the time. Meditation and exercise help. I would rather work on facing the pain than deal with the drug side effects. I will admit that pot is great for pain therapy, but not in huge amounts. Less than a gram a day is helpful. Trying to self teach tai chi, but I will probably end up looki for a class. Steroids are the devil and I avoid them at all costs.
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Petite young hippie girls walking bare foot on my back does it for me.
Luap won't let me show pics like these.
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VDG, not being a smart ass here, but frequent intercourse can help. Not only the back and core muscles, but also the prostrate. The release of endorphins at release helps with the pain, the frequent flexing of the lower back muscles helps tone, and flexibility, unless it's been welded like mine. Same kingdom, preferably same class suggested. :evil: :wink: :grin:
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Petite young hippie girls walking bare foot on my back does it for me.
Luap won't let me show pics like these.
You wouldn't want to fight that kind of wisdom!! God love young hippie girls!
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Turmeric.
You'll get the usual AMA flotsam about wives tales but at least in my case - there's relief.
One wants to source turmeric tested independently for over 90% curcumin(sp?).
Todd.
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VDG, not being a smart ass here, but frequent intercourse can help. Not only the back and core muscles, but also the prostrate. The release of endorphins at release helps with the pain, the frequent flexing of the lower back muscles helps tone, and flexibility, unless it's been welded like mine. Same kingdom, preferably same class suggested. :evil: :wink: :grin:
What about those of us who have no class ? :laugh:
Dusty
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OK, thanks for the suggestions.
Steroids are out. I have to use them occasionally for asthma and gout. It's never a happy thing. There was one event when I was in New Zealand where Jude woke up in the middle of the night and I was ranting about having to go and get an horse float? Why did I need a horse float? To tow the centaur around in, what else? It was in the corner of the room being grumpy and I knew we had to take it with us. No, no steroids!
Dope? Nah, did a lot of lots of drugs between the age of 13 and 23. Then I stopped because I decided I didn't like any of them. That hasn't changed.
Shagging? Now yer talkin'! Yeah, I can just see the look on Jude's face when I tell her I have to take her roughly from behind because of my arthritis. That would go down like a monster rat sandwich! Perhaps I can just bat off like a wild monkey! Dunno I've got the energy or enthusiasm any more!
I think fish oil and pain killers will probably be the go but I'll look at the other suggestions. At least nobody tried to tell me to go to a Tatric Navel Re-Tying workshop or any other such new age nonsense. My head explodes when faced with such arrant stupidity!
Pete
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All these remedies should coincide with the person's age. I'm almost 72 and you guys are making me feel like I'm 40 again in comparison. I swear by the inversion table to deal with my shot lower back and take a pill 2X a day to deal with a pinched nerve to my right leg, + 6 other pills for this & that daily, but you guys sound like you're in a lot more incapacity than me. :huh: I have a DO Dr. and go to specialists as needed. There was a time when I could say I have never had surgery...........b ut no more!
If you have arthritis and live in a cold/damp climate, that in itself is not a good combination. :evil:
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Petite young hippie girls walking bare foot on my back does it for me.
Luap won't let me show pics like these.
Little Asian women never worked for me and yet I married one, I need the big buxom Germanic Blonds who could be a Valkyrie we take the meat off the bones then put it back on with our massage
My father had arthritis of the spine so bad he was disabled his last 20 years. I have it, my brother has it.
I rowed racing sculls for 10 years and that did me a lot of good. I believe rowing is better than inversion. Unfortunately it's been a couple of decades since that and I'm working on getting back into a scull. my Ex took my scull because she couldn't get my head on a pike. :thewife:
Actually my daily commute on the Griso has really helped. I tend to ride it more like a horse or mountain bike so I'm crouching over bumps and shifting my weight around on the corners. I'm working on getting my Doc to give me a prescription for a Mk 1 Lemans.
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+1 for the Tai Chi, I've been practicing the Taoist form for over a year now and can recommend it.
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It sucks Pete. My sincere commiserations.
After two hernias, a detached tendon and catastrophic failure in one hip I would say, stay away from prednisone if you can.
I start off each day with a gentle "stroll" on the elliptical trainer, followed by stretches and then a series of various reps on my gym machine to get moving, with the odd hot wheat bag applied to really tight muscles. Up and down ladders all day keeps me moving (I guess the old use it or loose it) with the wheat bags again for most of the evening as the pain tightens everything up again. I am on a medium dose of Voltarin with Omeprazole to try and protect the gut. No pain killers at this stage. When the hip collapsed I was on quite high dosage of Tramadol and Paracetomol; coming off it once the replacement went in was not pleasant. I take fish oil; don't know whether it does any good but it probably does no harm either.
All the best. Chronic pain indeed sucks.
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Yes, pot helps the pain and increases range-of-motion, but it's not a real good idea until you're all-in for the night. Like alcohol, it can interfere with your piloting skills.
I find the reefer doesn't help with pain and sometimes makes me focus on it.....But otherwise I like it :evil: My riding friend had a hip replacement and gave me some pain pills. Some Diladidd and Vicodin. I was surprised that for me the pain relief from opiates, was only slightly better than ibuprofen. Of course I got a dope buzz but don't really care for that ...
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They just scoped my knee to fix a couple of tears but told me there was a lot of arthritis too. Dr's suggestions were to change up my exercises and use more bicycle and swimming. Oh and lose some weight.
We have a hot tub and both Kim and I love it. Especially early in the a.m. with a cup of Kona :)
Kim's Dr has recommended the inversion table but so far we haven't tried one.
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Pete,
Before Bren's back surgery, she would get an epidural every 6 - 8 months, gave her good pain relief for the half a year or so at a time. You might be a candidate, one shot twice a year is not to bad
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Pete, try a beginners yoga class and see if you like it but let the instructor know what your problems are and don't ever let anyone push you into a yoga position especially at our age. I have been doing it off and on since I was 19 and my wife has been a yoga instructor for the last 25+ years. It works though it is very painful when you first start but eventually it gets easier. Just try it, the classes are usually filled with young woman so at the very least it will be entertaining.
As a side note, if you do try it make sure you wear loose clothes,avoid eating a few hours before class and don't eat anything gassy or you will be fighting farts in some poses. And try not to fall asleep during the cool down part of class as this usually involves snoring.
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Sorry you've got this one Pete. Pain is very hard to live with at times. I've had a bit from a frozen shoulder and various breakages over the last few years but right now I'm fairly comfortable. So I don't envy anyone with a life sentence.
Kerry however has constant arthritic pain and takes a fair amount of panadol osteo. That can be a good thing to get you by.
But it makes you drowsy and it becomes impossible to do a reasonable day's work.
For awhile she was taking high dosage [1500mg] Glucosamine. We experimented with it and found no effect at all from any dose less than this. But as Kerry rarely takes anything consistently we gave it away as a bad joke as it is a bit expensive to add to your diet as a constant. Though it did seem to work for the small time when she took them regularly.
The doctor even prescribed it for awhile but never at the high dose, so again we gave that away.
I think swimming may be good if it's possible with a nice heated pool. One bloke I know is a regular and has to do it every day to keep feeling OK.
Best of luck finding something to moderate the damn thing. Lots of suggestions here to try for awhile anyway.
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Try green-lipped mussel extract, works for me. One capsule in the morning, one in the evening. Worth a try.
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Luckily, at 69 I take no medications and ignore the minor aches and pains of aging. I stay off my butt, keep moving and purposely avoid medications, since I've had no pain that is unbearable. The right thumb is the only problem and heat and the brace have reduced it to nearly nothing. Still, I appreciate all the advice given here, because it is important to motorcycle riders.
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Shagging? Now yer talkin'! Yeah, I can just see the look on Jude's face when I tell her I have to take her roughly from behind because of my arthritis. That would go down like a monster rat sandwich! Perhaps I can just bat off like a wild monkey! Dunno I've got the energy or enthusiasm any more!
Maybe a prescription from you DR would help. :thumb: :boozing:
For me it's Turmeric & Bromelain.....and gin soaked raisins. Mostly knee pain.....occasional elbow pain.
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Maybe a prescription from you DR would help. :thumb: :boozing:
For me it's Turmeric & Bromelain.....and gin soaked raisins. Mostly knee pain.....occasional elbow pain.
Everett Satcher made it to 99 and swore by the gin soaked raisins. Might have to try some of those.
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Everett Satcher made it to 99 and swore by the gin soaked raisins. Might have to try some of those.
Don't know if they help but a great way to start the day. :boozing:
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I've been down the vegemite road and it does not lead to nice places. Stay active.
My western physician has filled me with various anti-inflamitories, pain relievers ,and muscle relaxants. I keep a small pile of the mild ones on hand to stave off serious bouts but don't take them as a daily ritual.
Going to an eastern physician/acupuncturist has offered me the most relief. A skeptic to start (my wife dragged me there), a one hour consultation has turned into a complete change of lifestyle habits. And it is working.
Much of the change is to do with diet. First off cut back on the three staples:Beer, Beef, Salad. Next change the coffee intravenous for one of green tea. Don't eat uncooked nuts or vegetables. Close the bedroom windows, sleep more or rest in the sunshine. But mostly; moderate your life to take in time for silence/meditation. Much of the pain is caused by being over tired and stressed. I'm following his advice and my quality of life's improving.
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You can get a decent inversion table for around $100 US, so they are not a big investment.
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Those that are taking Prednisone and are not aware that this drug leech's all of the Calcium from your system leading to osteoporosis/Brittle bones should be aware of what is being prescribed for you. Dangerous drug.
My mother was fed a liberal dose of it for COPD and Emphazema. Because of this drug she repeatedly broke ribs from sneezing and coughing.
You should really check this stuff out before deciding on taking it.
Mike
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Weight loss, fish oil, glucosamine, push-ups, sit-ups, stretching, and cycling has kept me nominal despite the indiscretions of my youth. The glucosamine won't cure anything, but it seems to make my joints more lubrious. Also, icing sore/swollen joints for twenty minutes seems to give fast temporary relief after you've overdone things.
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Don't eat uncooked nuts or vegetables.
This is a new one for me. What is the scientific basis for it. Rarely a day goes by I don't eat uncooked vegetables. I have a few stiff joints but no debilitating arthritis.....yet.. . and into my eighth decade.
Pete
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This is a first.....I can offer Pete useful information. Usually its the other way around :laugh:
I'm a bit under the age average here but thanks to a youth properly spent motocrossing, mountainbiking, skateboarding in empty pools and doing many other high impact if you 'eff up activities, my body creaks and groans. I have a locking middle finger from throttle abuse to my right hand, both shoulders pop and groan, knees sound like old leather being twisted when I go up stairs, back and neck are always upset about somthing.....the list goes on.
Stuff that works and isn't too sissyfied....swimmi ng laps, light and frequent exercise such as walking or slow running and light hi rep weights, drink a lot of water, then drink more water. Learn to stretch properly and then do it, every day like a ritual. A very important one: keep your core and back strong. You dont have to try to be joe six pack abs but regular light core work (front and lower back) will stabilize your whole body and change your life for the better. Basically do nof fall into the trap of reducing motion due to pain. The pain is there forever, the motion is yours to lose or keep based on how you proceed. Ibuprofen is good if you can tolerate it, watch out for the opiates, it's a slippery slope for even the strongest willed person.
Pete, here is some other stuff that I know you'll give me shit about or at least write off as poofter BS but it works - Yoga, meditation and lots of positive attitude. Pay attention to your shoulder muscles, check them throughout the day, tight and bunch up? You need to chill out and relax, stretch and clear your head. Any set of tight muscles will just strain themselves and throw everything else out of balance too.
On yoga.....the classes are full of women. In yoga pants. I've gone with my GF before.....I feel like I'm getting away with murder in there. The scenery is fabulous and it's impossible not to look. My GF just laughs it off and gives me that look.....man, she's awesome. Anyway....
Also, watch this Louis CK bit....it's on point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey4WSb-BVDQ
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Okay Pete, here is the secret formula. Absorbine vetinary liniment. Liquid,( strong enough for a horse), or gel, ( feeble enough for people).
No, don't drink it, no matter how good it smells. You slather it on and GENTLY rub it in. Be Careful though not to touch your eyes or your dick
when you have it on your fingers. Rubbing it on your anal hemorrhoids can make you sing strangely but loudly.
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This is a new one for me. What is the scientific basis for it. Rarely a day goes by I don't eat uncooked vegetables. I have a few stiff joints but no debilitating arthritis.....yet.. . and into my eighth decade.
Pete
I also eat a lot of raw vegetables, mostly onions, peppers , dark leafy stuff , nuts and seeds. Other than the arm pain I mentioned things are ok considering my body was used like a mule for many years.
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My diet is already down to dried beans and fish. No real traffic in prepared foods -- can't afford them on many levels. When I do try store-bought stuff my body often rejects it with authority. The only place to go from here is to stop eating.
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Glucosamine + MSM. 1500 mg a day. Helps. Motomonster was the one who convinced me to take it.
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My diet is already down to dried beans and fish. No real traffic in prepared foods -- can't afford them on many levels. When I do try store-bought stuff my body often rejects it with authority. The only place to go from here is to stop eating.
Kelp ?
Dusty
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Kelp is what food eats.
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Drugs and alcohol! Ibu. and a good shot of Scotch every evening. Keeps me going at 79. Jürgen
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Drugs and alcohol! Ibu. and a good shot of Scotch every evening. Keeps me going at 79. J�rgen
Which reminds me of my Great Granddad, Yes I do remember him as he was alive when I was in my 20's. He was a long time "Distributor" for whisky which he made near the family farm in Arkansas. Distributors made it in drums not little jars. When Great Granddad had to be put in the old folks home he'd just sat in his easy chair and drool. Dad and Granddad would visit often and bring him a pint of whisky. After he downed half the pint then they'd snatch it away, after a few minutes Great Granddad would become animated, get up, walk about and talk.
You see for the last 70 years or so he'd been running on Booze. Dad/Granddad had to take the pint away to stop Great Granddad from just downing the whole bottle.
Even though most of my life I've been a teetotaler I've been upholding the family tradition of consuming greater quantities of whisky now as I get older.
Yesterday I even talked to my #1 son about getting the marc to make Grappa. I figure I need about 4 medium garbage cans full which is pretty much what I can fit in my jeep. He said no problem. That grape press leftovers and a copper contraption for distilling water (to use in car batteries & medicinal) and I'll be in following in a long tradition.
Griso Riders need Grappa for their aching bones.
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Zinc picolinate vitamin, proper amount of protein in my diet, inversion table. Naproxen has to be taken regularly to work well.
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I find the thing that helps me with all my troubles ( I am collecting them the way some women collect Lladro figurines ) is the avoidance of stress. All sorts of stress, but mainly the soul killing mental kind. Hope this helps. Pain is nasty.
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You guys with chronic pain...It f***ing sucks...
Sure does. Different ways of dealing with it work for different people.
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This threads proves each person must find what works for them.
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Or as Dad said, 'if everyone put their troubles in a pile, given a choice, they would pull their own back out.'
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This is a new one for me. What is the scientific basis for it. Rarely a day goes by I don't eat uncooked vegetables. I have a few stiff joints but no debilitating arthritis.....yet.. . and into my eighth decade.
Pete
Raw almonds were a staple snack food and salad was an everyday meal course for me. The information came from my Chinese doctor. ~ Lot's of questions about why/how something works but his explanation was that my body needs help processing the food. Raw veggies takes more 'energy' out of my system than cooked items. He does say all things in moderation (life is about achieving balance) so If it choose to eat a salad I should drink a hot green tea to assist in digestion. He has a very holistic approach that has been good for me.
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No problems here, but friend with arthritis reports significant relief with turmeric. I think she was already using some turmeric, but a naturopath or something suggested a specific dose combined with a black pepper extract, apparently piperine helps absorption.
I don't know enough about rheumatoid vs. degenerative, maybe they're close enough to the same thing. I'd say from casual web search that turmeric is mainly for rheumatoid, but thait could be just a matter of numbers.
Keep an eye on the medical marijuana options. Even here where it's legal, we're working with very minimal science and a very pharmacologically complex plant. There are a handful of different cannabinoids in there, to start with. Cannabidiol is lately the one of most pharmaceutical interest because it doesn't get you high, but does have other cannabinoid effects such as relief from seizures (poster child case, kids who get severe seizures minutes apart all the time and this is the only cure.) I have a gram of a fancy high-CBD strain, and it's interesting, very subtle, but I don't have arthritis so don't know. Anyway, a few years down the line we'll have more experience, more science, more work with plant breeding, etc.
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Reminds me of the endless oil threads here. In fact, this could be considered a snake oil thread. What weight snake oil should I use? 10W-60? 20W-50? Everyone has his/her favorite, they all work for some, many true believers, etc.
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Reminds me of the endless oil threads here. In fact, this could be considered a snake oil thread. What weight snake oil should I use? 10W-60? 20W-50? Everyone has his/her favorite, they all work for some, many true believers, etc.
Ah, Sib, it's only snake until you are so stiff with pain that you can't bend to sit down; leaving you to crap standing up.
Then everything becomes a viable option.
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In the mid 1990s, I began having very painful arthritis of both knees and one elbow. My wife, a retired physical therapist, suggested glucosamine, which is made from shark cartilage. The reasoning is that arthritis occurs when the cartilage layer between joints wears away over time, the bone to bone contact increases with attendant pain. As we age, the body's ability to produce its own glucosamine decreases, which is why the cartilage wears down.
I am a terrible skeptic, but I started taking glucosamine. Within 30 days I was experiencing much lower levels of joint pain and by 90 days I was pain free, as I am almost 20 years later.
Glucosamine has no side effects that I know of. I've certainly not experienced any. In the USA, it is available "over the counter' with no prescription. Pain medications should be a last resort.
Ralph
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Half hour ago my left knee was agonizing me as it sometimes does.
I slathered on some absorbine vetinary liniment gel. Pain gone.
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(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/study-staring-at-breasts-increases-heart-health_thumb_zpst52muwns.jpg)
However very dangerous to do while driving! (Dont ask!)
Afterwards when I regained consciousness, the Nurse asked .......
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/sexy_nurse_zpspqrcnz3p.jpg)
:grin:
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Ah, Sib, it's only snake until you are so stiff with pain that you can't bend to sit down; leaving you to crap standing up.
Then everything becomes a viable option.
Not denying your pain and discomfort (my 73-year-old body has its share of it), my point is that the advice you'll get here is about as consistent, reliable, and trustworthy as what we get on (non-snake) oil threads.
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your view is undeniably true... there is no science, there is no single solution mentioned in any of these posts.
Trustworthy? That is a matter of human faith. Snake oil sales infers an underlying knowledge of misinformation and deceit.
Take Pendric's post about staring at boobs. There may or may not be credible science in that claim; but I'm willing to try it out.
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OK, so my mountebank has confirmed my skeleton is stuffed. Degenerative osteoarthritis has galloped into my life and I can look forward to increasing pain and hassle. So? What treatments are you other wrecks using to cope?
Pete
I don't use drugs, legal or otherwise, instead I take 3000 milligrams of MSM internally, daily, and apply DMSO gel to painful areas. I think it's also a good idea to get gluten out of your life and consume a lot of turmeric too. All of these things helped me tremendously.
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I don't use drugs, legal or otherwise, instead I take 3000 milligrams of MSM internally, daily, and apply DMSO gel to painful areas. I think it's also a good idea to get gluten out of your life and consume a lot of turmeric too. All of these things helped me tremendously.
There seems to be some background to turmeric. Even my acupuncturist mentioned it.
Aside from curry, how do you take it?
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There seems to be some background to turmeric. Even my acupuncturist mentioned it.
Aside from curry, how do you take it?
It's my understanding that it should be cooked in order to receive its full benefits. I live close to an Indian grocer where I buy both fresh and ground turmeric. The fresh resembles small ginger roots. I slice the fresh and add it to a pot of basmati rice along with a generous portion of ground turmeric for a tasty yellow rice.
You can add the turmeric to ground meat before you cook it into a burger or meatloaf. Be creative! :thumb:
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Industrial accident in 1982 left me with 3 herniated lumbar discs. 3 surgeries over the next 25 yrs. has kept me working but needing gabapentin to control the pain. I used ibuprophen for yrs. it worked better than percocet but now my stomach and esophagus won't let me use it anymore. I recently decided to lose some weight and work on strengthening my legs because the Thunderbird Sport was getting too top heavy to control at walking speeds. Getting the V7 Stone helped a lot in low speed situations but going to the gym was the best thing I could have done. It was amazing during the first session that 30 mins. in all my back pain dissapeared. Of course it came right back after an hour or so and combined with the sore muscles in my legs from the workout I was miserable and layed in bed for an hour trying to decide if I wanted to continue. I did and over the next months it got much easier to recover and I have, overall much less back pain. I will turn 69 in a few months and I feel better than I have in years. Doc. says my spine is in terrible condition with worsening stenosis so I must continue the gabapentin. I can ride the bike anytime for a good long distance at least until the carpal tunnel sends me home. Old age sucks but it beats hell out of the alternative. Ride on.
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There seems to be some background to turmeric. Even my acupuncturist mentioned it.
Aside from curry, how do you take it?
It seems that you get a lot more ("bioavailability") curcumin, the primary active ingredient, if there's a hefty dose of piperine, which comes from black pepper. Looks like you might end up with curry anyway!
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Speaking of Ol' farts:
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Back on topic...I think supplements may help. I use Cosamin (glucosamine & chondroitin). I started using that after finding that the analogous product for dogs (Cosequin) seemed to help my German Shepherd.
Rich A
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In the mid 1990s, I began having very painful arthritis of both knees and one elbow. My wife, a retired physical therapist, suggested glucosamine, which is made from shark cartilage. The reasoning is that arthritis occurs when the cartilage layer between joints wears away over time, the bone to bone contact increases with attendant pain. As we age, the body's ability to produce its own glucosamine decreases, which is why the cartilage wears down.
I am a terrible skeptic, but I started taking glucosamine. Within 30 days I was experiencing much lower levels of joint pain and by 90 days I was pain free, as I am almost 20 years later.
Glucosamine has no side effects that I know of. I've certainly not experienced any. In the USA, it is available "over the counter' with no prescription. Pain medications should be a last resort.
Ralph
No one should be taking glucosamine made from sharks! There are many sources of glucosamine, there exist no need what so ever to take it from sharks. Sharks are being killed by the tens of millions each year, and the effect on oceans and ultimately on us may be huge.
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I was told 15 years ago to look forward to having both knees and hips replaced. But to put it off as long as possible. I have had my right knee go out twice, and I fell. The incidents were months apart.
For my abused and aging back, I learnt me some exercises to help. Was sent to physical therapist (cute young trainer) to learn that. What did you doctor say about exercise?
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Careful excercise :laugh:
Actually I've booked in to re-start Pilates classes again. It's something I have done for years to get into better shape before long bike trips or holidays. Think is I detest excercise and fitness training, always have, always will! Needs must though :sad:
Pete
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Hope ya got ya pink leotards ready and all. :evil:
Seriously Pete, if I don't do my warm/stretches /weights in the morning I am seriously compromised by the end of the day. When I retire next year I will probably be looking along the same lines.
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Hope ya got ya pink leotards ready and all. :evil:
Hell, I'm just happy if I can get into anything pink now days. :rolleyes:
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Pete,
I recently bought a rowing machine that gives a good workout to most muscle groups. About half an hour and it says I have covered five Kms, all while watching tv. That and some jogging after which I like a few Peronis and a couple of glasses of Shiraz or Cabernet. It works for now. Also gave up salt some years ago. So far so good.
And I need some heated handgrips for the Stelvio please.
Cheers mate.
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Turmeric? yes, ginger? yes, other magic herbs ? yes, but the secret is in the preparation.
In my case, my young hippie chick slices and dices all the above and other magic herbs into what ever she cooks for dinner
and any other meal she prepares. I asked her what other ingredient and she said, "Love".
Who am I to argue with that logic?
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I really like the Tai Chi comment earlier.
So many benefits.
Start the day with and evaluation/assessment
Calm, self focused activity
A wonderful sense balance regarding your surroundings
Forced inclusion of the entirety of your body in an early to the day activity
Attention to the base significance of breath
Yup, I say in addition to the other great non prescription/surgery ideas that TC should be way up there.
Todd.
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Careful excercise :laugh:
Actually I've booked in to re-start Pilates classes again. It's something I have done for years to get into better shape before long bike trips or holidays. Think is I detest excercise and fitness training, always have, always will! Needs must though :sad:
Pete
Have you considered Aqua exercise, Pete?
Takes the weight off your body :grin:
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Pete,
I recently bought a rowing machine that gives a good workout to most muscle groups. About half an hour and it says I have covered five Kms, all while watching tv. That and some jogging after which I like a few Peronis and a couple of glasses of Shiraz or Cabernet. It works for now. Also gave up salt some years ago. So far so good.
[b[And I need some heated handgrips for the Stelvio please.[/b]
Cheers mate.
No you don't. What you need to do, and I'm telling all my customers this, is forget the heated grips and buy some Gerbings heated gloves. While you can use grips as well, (I have Oxfords and they are basically sucky.) the thing is gloves are great. I also have a heated jacket BUT if I had my time again I'd get a vest rather than the jacket.
Pete
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The wife uses Vitorin cream not the pills on her right hand/thumb. She used it every day for a week and now only when some ache creeps in. The pills did nothing. We both use Glucosamine and fish oil caps. A bit of stiffness on wake up but stretches and exercise do wonders along with the inversion table.
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Pickle juice.
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with a vodka chaser.
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"they" say...apple cider vinegar a jigger a day helps joints and kidney stone issues....I'm more worried about my energy levels going to hell...
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I use a daily regimen of Saventaro brand cat's claw (Uncaria Tomentosa) for severe arthritic hand pain. There is some residual pain but NOTHING like what it was. It's inexpensive and I experience no side effects. I stay away from pain relievers in general.
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I have found a product in Arizona that works remarkably well for my aches and pains. It is a cream that I apply to whatever is sore, usually my feet and knees. It is called IQS CHI Body Lotion $40 for a 6 oz bottle. www.iqsenergys.com Worked for me, almost instantly the first time I tried it.
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"they" say...apple cider vinegar a jigger a day helps joints and kidney stone issues....I'm more worried about my energy levels going to hell...
We use apple cider vinegar to help our dog's digestion. Big chested dogs tend to bloat and ACV seems to keep the gases in control.
I should try some for myself.
Regarding energy levels:
I have to admit I fell into the I'm tired/I hurt trap for two years after I found I couldn't snowboard or paddle a kayak for hours.
Let 'life sucks' get to me and I ended up worse off than if I'd have just been a big boy and found other ways to spend time and energy.
Do not allow yourself the excuse of low energy levels. Moderate, adjust, compromise ... but for your own good stay active.
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We have reached the age where exercise is maintenance rather than recreation. I never want to go to the gym. I am, however, always glad that I went.
Careful excercise :laugh:
Actually I've booked in to re-start Pilates classes again. It's something I have done for years to get into better shape before long bike trips or holidays. Think is I detest excercise and fitness training, always have, always will! Needs must though :sad:
Pete
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No one should be taking glucosamine made from sharks! There are many sources of glucosamine, there exist no need what so ever to take it from sharks. Sharks are being killed by the tens of millions each year, and the effect on oceans and ultimately on us may be huge.
:1:
Dean
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I like going to the gym. It's fun watching the girls do their stretches and stuff.
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I just made an amazing discovery, there is a gym for old farts here in Sioux Falls called "Active Generations". They have a billiard room with 5 really nice 8 foot pool tables and a top notch snooker table. I think these are the only full sized tables in Sioux Falls. The guys that frequent the pool room are quite Guzzi-esque.
Lately I have been spending five or six hours a day playing pool. It is better that going to the bars around here with their drunks and noise.
They also have a separate table tennis room frequented by some world class players, and a computer lab.
Oh yeah, if you are over 60 they serve lunch for $3.75
As an extra benefit I have not explored yet they have an "Active Riders MC". This could be interesting.
Oh yeah, they also have a fitness room with all the latest machines and free weights and locker rooms with showers. (I have never been in the fitness room.)
Membership is $100/year including billiards access. I spend $10/day easy if I head to the bars to play pool on worn out 6 foot tables. By comparison the gym membership is dirt cheap.
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I just made an amazing discovery, there is a gym for old farts here in Sioux Falls called "Active Generations". They have a billiard room with 5 really nice 8 foot pool tables and a top notch snooker table. I think these are the only full sized tables in Sioux Falls. The guys that frequent the pool room are quite Guzzi-esque.
Lately I have been spending five or six hours a day playing pool. It is better that going to the bars around here with their drunks and noise.
They also have a separate table tennis room frequented by some world class players, and a computer lab.
Oh yeah, if you are over 60 they serve lunch for $3.75
As an extra benefit I have not explored yet they have an "Active Riders MC". This could be interesting.
Oh yeah, they also have a fitness room with all the latest machines and free weights and locker rooms with showers. (I have never been in the fitness room.)
Membership is $100/year including billiards access. I spend $10/day easy if I head to the bars to play pool on worn out 6 foot tables. By comparison the gym membership is dirt cheap.
That's a heck of a good deal. The YMCA I go to is $39 a mo., I think it is, with the old fart's discount.
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and as always, at least here in the peoples republic of Mass, check with your health insurance which will often cover some of the expense. :grin:
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Although my severe arm pain has been gone for a month I did see a respected orthopedic specialist yesterday. He shows me my neck MRI and say right there in the middle is a herniated disc that was pinching the arm nerve causing pain....A piece of debris was chaffing the nerve... But lucky me and it appears my body spit out or dissolved the debris. So the pain is gone and it may never return....I was told to avoid what caused it in the first place, yoga movements bending my head from side to side.....The doc also remarked about my one hip being higher that the other as well as my curved spine...But it just causes no real problems other than looking a bit like a sideshow freak...