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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: canuguzzi on June 26, 2015, 09:27:08 PM
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You know it and I know it, we all know it, putting oil into your Norge is a royal PITA and when you hear someone tell you it isn't you know they are simply talking BS.
We've tried hoses, squirt bottles, syringes, tea pots, tiny funnels (yeah right) and I just know someone has gone the siphon route and can tell us all just what 10-60 tastes like.
It is time to stop the nonsense, there is a way, a way that really works and that works so well you will not drip one drop of oil when putting it into your Norge.
Here is what you are going to spend that $20 on:
1. One RoundUp sprayer.
2. A 3 pack of angled caulking tubes
3. Some silicone seal sealing tape
4. A small amount of glue for your glue gun.
That is it.
This is what you will do to make this work and what you will have is a pressurized lube machine for your Norge and any other vehicle you have that needs to get oil put into it.
1. Open the RoundUp sprayer box and blow out any nitty gritty plastic shaving from inside the sprayer bottle.
2. Assemble said sprayer and pressurize it and then blow the air out through the nozzle. That clears the way.
3. Remove the wand length (long part that threads into the handle)
4. Cut the wand end off AFTER the slight bend it has (look at the pic below)
5. Chamfer the cut end
6. Clean the cut end and the inside of one of the angled caulking tubes with alcohol.
7. Put some hot melt glue around the chamfered end of the wand making sure not to get any inside the tube.
8. Stick the cut end of the want into the angled caulking tube WHILE THE GLUE IT HOT AND MELTED.
9. Twist it and push the two parts together making sure the angle of the wand and the angle of the caulking tube are aligned and follow the same angle.
10. After it has cooled and the glue has set, wrap the two pieces tightly using the silicone self sealing tape.
Okay, now assemble the sprayer again and pressurize it. Blow out the air using the wand. There is a button that controls the flow of air. You can press it forward and allow the air to escape and release it to stop it. You can also set it to continuous flow.
Pout the amount of oil you want to put into your Norge, screw on the pump handle and pressurize it slightly. Test the flow putting the oil back into the container it came from. Do not think you are in dominion over plastic and pump it up to 3000 psi. As you pump it up, the flow will increase to a nice small but consistent rate. You are not trying to fill the engine in seconds but rather minutes. Patience will be rewarded until you get the feel for it.
The pick up tube is very thin so don't over pump.
Now, insert the nozzle you made into the oil fill hole and using whatever you have handy (velcro works great) hold the handle in place so that there is no stress on the nozzle. I used the handle bar of the Norge as the holding point.
Set the flow control to continuous and pressurize the sprayer. Again, go nice and slow. You will see the amount of oil in the sprayer tank being reduced. It might seem slow but it takes only about 10 minutes to fill the Norge from empty.
There you go. It is painless, easy to add just a small amount or fill after dumping the oil. It is clean and the flow control will completely cut off the flow so cleanly not one drop will come out once you stop it.
Here are the pictures.
This is what you need.
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/Best16dollars_zpszf1tni5g.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/Best16dollars_zpszf1tni5g.jpg.html)
What the angled caulking tube looks like. Comes in a pack of 3.
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/Funnel1_zpsl2hde6ax.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/Funnel1_zpsl2hde6ax.jpg.html)
How the nozzle will fit. See how the angle works perfectly?
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/Funnel2_zpsmllxgrlh.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/Funnel2_zpsmllxgrlh.jpg.html)
The parts you will assemble. It takes only a few minutes.
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/TheFunnelParts_zpscsheykta.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/TheFunnelParts_zpscsheykta.jpg.html)
Checking the flow rate. Steady and slow is better than fast and messy.
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/TheFlow_zpsouv9ppym.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/TheFlow_zpsouv9ppym.jpg.html)
In practice. You can hold it but using a hangar from the handle bar makes this just watching.
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/Working_zpsz97vv3ae.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/Working_zpsz97vv3ae.jpg.html)
That is all there is too it. No more messy things to fill your engine oil or top it off as needed. If you know exactly how much oil to put in, you can put that into the sprayer, pressurize it and set it to flow and just watch it. After about 10 minutes it is all done. You shut off the flow and remove the nozzle, not one drop of oil anywhere but inside the engine.
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I see you have a hole in your Norge fairing. Some of us don't :sad:
On the upside, you are a shoe-in for the Red Suspenders Award this year! :grin:
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Sorry 'bout that, I have the '13 model year and I think they started with the access hole in '12. Even so, the filler hole is small and deep in there so it's a pain no matter what.
I don't know how the previous gen filler holes are accessed, maybe instead of using the rigid nozzle, putting a length of tubing on and routing it to where it needs to go?
BTW, here are pics of the product labels so you know which I used along with a close up of the assembled nozzle.
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/AssembledNozzle_zps9wzu8f6w.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/AssembledNozzle_zps9wzu8f6w.jpg.html)
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/Sprayer_zps4jmaxdn0.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/Sprayer_zps4jmaxdn0.jpg.html)
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/NorgePilot/CaulkTubes_zpsjhghhjfc.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/NorgePilot/media/CaulkTubes_zpsjhghhjfc.jpg.html)
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And no weeds will ever grow out of your crankcase!
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I don't see a problem w/just unscrewing the dipstick holder and using a long neck funnel. I do it on a weekly basis, and spend NO $.
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I don't see a problem w/just unscrewing the dipstick holder and using a long neck funnel. I do it on a weekly basis, and spend NO $.
? Just wondering how old and what mileage on your Norge? Surprises me that you're having to add oil weekly?
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? Just wondering how old and what mileage on your Norge? Surprises me that you're having to add oil weekly?
steve's a guzzi guru who works on peoples bikes, the word mechanic is just not sufficient in his case
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steve's a guzzi guru who works on peoples bikes, the word mechanic is just not sufficient in his case
Amen to that statement! :bow:
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steve's a guzzi guru who works on peoples bikes, the word mechanic is just not sufficient in his case
Thanks. Understood now.
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I don't see a problem w/just unscrewing the dipstick holder and using a long neck funnel. I do it on a weekly basis, and spend NO $.
There is no problem doing that but why? I can now fill the container, cap the nozzle and there is no funnel to clean, no funnel to hold while I am also pouring oil into it and then cleaning up afterwards.
If you do this for customers or others, what is easier, just using this or getting out the funnel, unscrewing the dipstick holder and messing around with clean up. They can ride up, if oil needs to go in, this is a lot faster and cleaner than the funnel thing.
When the flow switch is off, not one drip leaves the nozzle. I can just put the sprayer away and it's done. If I measured the oil properly, there is no oil left in the container. If I didn't measure, the oil is within an air tight container.
If you didn't measure the oil going in, far easier to check the level with the dipstick holder in place than without. You can stop the flow of oil at any time to check the oil level. Ever try that with a funnel?
If you do this all the time, this makes more sense than using a funnel. There is a reason why oil change places don't use funnels anymore. They drip oil, it is one more thing to clean and if you're filling the case, you must either use can after can of oil or hang onto the 4 liter jug and then pour it in.
The $20 is a one time thing, the oil going into the bike costs more than that. It is easy, clean and convenient and I don't need to unscrew something that is a pain to get to in the first place.
Anyone with a 2nd gen Norge probably knows that even with the access port, getting to that dipstick to unscrew the filler spacer is another story.
In the end, no one has to do it.
You can do this:
1. Remove dipstick
2. unscrew dipstick holder
3. Insert funnel
4. Pour in oil (according to how fast the funnel will let it go in so stick around and watch it)
5. Remove the funnel
6. Clean up because it's going to drip (or you are using rags or paper towels to catch the drips)
7. Replace dipstick holder
8. Clean up the funnel
Repeat every time you want to add even a little bit of oil.
or
1. Remove dipstick
2. insert nozzle
3. Press the flow switch to continuous
4. Remove nozzle, no drips
5. Replace dipstick
I'd say, $20 is cheap for a lot of convenience. I can also use it on my cars and truck, lawn mower, anything that needs an oil change.
I don't need to move the cars or truck over the the garage or lug a funnel and cans of oil to them, I can just take this and add the oil.
Just thought I's share what I came up with.
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Seems so much more simple just to use a proper funnel.
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Norge Pilot... Nice imaginative thinking. Good job. Thanks. BK
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I realise we all need to tinker but these these hand pumps are available at the local auto parts store, Walmart, or through Amazon for anywhere from 5 to 10 bucks. The hose on the one I bought for $6 slides right into the dip stick hole.
http://www.amazon.com/Plews-55001-Lubrimatic-Standard-Bottles/dp/B000BQW5LK
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Thread drift, but related...those sprayers (filled with clean water) are useful to have in your garage if you don't have a sink.
Rich A
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? Just wondering how old and what mileage on your Norge? Surprises me that you're having to add oil weekly?
I'm a tech for a dealer here in ATL, 2 Nordges today- neither one had a door, one had a Breva dipstick.
Don't know about the guru stuff, don't I have to buy a goat first? Ready for retirement.
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I realise we all need to tinker but these these hand pumps are available at the local auto parts store, Walmart, or through Amazon for anywhere from 5 to 10 bucks. The hose on the one I bought for $6 slides right into the dip stick hole.
http://www.amazon.com/Plews-55001-Lubrimatic-Standard-Bottles/dp/B000BQW5LK
An oil change requires more than a quart and with the model you linked to, needs constant pumping. I guess you could get a longer source tube but you're still pumping the entire time.
I don't doubt it works for you. This works without constant pumping, is very clean and has high quality seals (comes with spares) and holds a gallon of oil.
I marked the amount of oil I need for a complete oil change and simply put that much into the container. No guess work. After the change, I do one check after a startup, then take it out for a 30 minute run, check again and it is spot on.
Since using this not a single weed has grown out of the engine. :boozing:
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4. Pour in oil (according to how fast the funnel will let it go in so stick around and watch it)
5. Remove the funnel
6. Clean up because it's going to drip (or you are using rags or paper towels to catch the drips)
7. Replace dipstick holder
8. Clean up the funnel
Just thought I's share what I came up with.
I like that idea and will probably either do it or something similar.
I don't know what a "Properly Sized Funnel" is, but I've never found one that I can even modify to fill any of my Guzzis in any reasonable length of time. Maybe it's just subjective, but I FEEL like I spend an inordinate amount of time pouring oil from a quart bottle into a funnel, watching it fill up, watching it SLOOOOWWWWLLLYY run down into the motor, do it again and again and again and again and there's a quart done, 2-1/2 more to do.
I've cut off funnels, reamed out funnels, slid clear tubing into funnels, and it still seems like it takes forever to hold the funnel and pour the oil and then clean up .....
Sounds like some people don't mind it, and that's fine, but thanks for the tip!
Lannis