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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Steph on July 23, 2015, 03:50:01 PM
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That's going to sell like hot cakes!
http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/the-yamaha-xsr700-is-the-ducati-scrambler-competitor-we-1719558774
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2016-yamaha-xsr700/2016-Yamaha-XSR700-Static-11.jpg)
The inspiration
(http://www.xs650.com/images/main/xs1.jpg)
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Not sure I like this new style, the radiator is kinda big and dominating the look of the bike. Also some other pictures from your link kinda remind me of a steampunk overall look to the bike, very busy. Now lets talk about the second picture :drool: .
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Nice bike. But is that George Michael posing back there?
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I had a Yamaha 650 twin, 77 model from 78 to 94. One of the best motorcycles I ever owned. Versatile enough that I rode it on
trails, streets, highways, and interstates. It pulled a sidecar for me for some of those years.
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I like the Ducati better. From what I saw of the spec's a 32" seat height will turn away smaller riders as well. I think the Duc will appeal to more people.
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It would probably be a nice bike to ride and easy to live with but it sure is ugly.
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God I love it; call all "standards" scramblers now. At least cafe's had a bit more distinction. Sales 101 I know.
THIS IS NOT A SCRAMBLER.
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It's not really a Scrambler, a scrambler HAS to have a high pipe. It looks like a neat standard. The radiator should not be highlighted, don't know what that's all about.
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Yamaha probably doesn't care what its called because a lot of people are going to buy it. No crazy Ducati shop fees, accessory makes will fall over themselves to make stuff for it and it won't overheat in traffic or require any special weight of oil to run. Paint the radiator which they will for production I'm sure. If not, you'll be able to choose from 10,000 different radiator shrouds due out a week after it hits the streets.
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Bet Honda is next with a remake of this:
http://www.ridermagazine.com/manufacturer/honda/retrospective-honda-vt500ft-ascot-1983-1984.htm/
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yea, guess your right about what they call it.
Gee that gage clock looks familiar, any Cal 1400 notice anything?
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The triple tuning fork engineers are on a tear. It will sell if priced right. Hate the big radiator. Would love to own a Duc scrambler...
Give me a Yamaha two stroke 250 dirt bike please. Ring a ding a ding a and cloud of blue smoke. Now that was a bike.
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bikey too tall
pipey too low
radiator too grande
and the headlight looks like him on the right
(http://www.cartoonbrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/minions-delay.jpg)
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I like it! I'll bet it's much easier to live with than a Duc. The radiator is a little funky however.
Hope it works for AMA flat track!
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Bet Honda is next with a remake of this:
http://www.ridermagazine.com/manufacturer/honda/retrospective-honda-vt500ft-ascot-1983-1984.htm/
Honda's part of the rumor mill.
I like the heck out of this bike - the CB1100r:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/07/old-honda-concepts-heading-for-production/
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/070115middle.jpg)
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I have done a demo ride on the FZ7 that it is based off of and that thing is a hoot, kind of like a 2/3s Buell. I don't know how the XS650 inspired it though , not in the styling thats for sure, way to busy under the tank. I like the FZ7 better. at least they didn't go to retro, I like to see design move forward instead of copying the past, I have already been there!
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Yamaha's design is too cluttered looking.
The Ducati is cleaner, more classic and it is a VTwin.
Apples and oranges.
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Dusty - I agree. That little bike at $7k looks like a lot of motorcycle without a lot of service baggage attached.
I owned only one Yamaha, a 1983 750 Virago. After installing lower bars and semi set back foot pegs, ( and having the front disc drilled), she was a sweetie. It didn't eliminate the cruiser look, but she handled better with those changes, plus heavier shock spring and new fork springs.
That was my return to motorcycling 32 years ago, and I'd consider bookending my riding with another Yamaha. Often considered an FJR 1300 (but the damned 1200 Sport just won't die, and it fills that role so well!)
Bob
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270 degree crank will give it that special sound.
Butt Lord do I hate Udders.
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As young rider, I rode Yamaha's (and Kawasaki's) the first 14 years of my riding career. They are good, reliable bikes overall. As you all know, Yamaha makes precision musical equipment as well as many other quality products. :wink:
I think this new model will sell well. I test drove a new Ducati Scrambler recently, and it felt like a mini-bike. Plenty of power however, light and nimble, and with excellent brakes. However, they are really just an "around town bike" (IMHO). Good for short day trips, commuting, and just plain fun riding. :cool: Would like to see the new Yamaha in person and sit on it. Looks like a fun bike, as I mentioned.
Regarding the Ducati Scrambler, it could be done, but I would not want to ride one from Phoenix to San Diego and back! (lol) :shocked:
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I was hoping for a dual sport based on the FZ7.
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My take - It's hideous.
Looks like a Craigslist "cafe racer" reject. That is to say, a vehicle which was otherwise likely designed in a relatively appealing manner, bought, crashed and then stripped of bodywork and hardware in a misguided attempt to re-present it as a deliberate custom concept rather than the Meth fueled, three-day-bender product of a "tweaker" trying to get out of proper repairs.
I see absolutely no connection to any previous offerings by Yamaha from their classic or post-classic days. Just a bike missing parts.
Todd.
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I see these new bikes every now and then and they show the old bike that was supposed to be the inspiration. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but other then 2 wheels I don't see any of the old bike in the new one. :shocked:
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:1: Young buyers aren't put off buy radiators , they grew up with water cooling . I'll bet they sell a bunch of these at about $7K .
Dusty
I bet they don't sell to the younger generation. Everybody knows anything less than a liter bike is for beginners or girls.
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I have been seeing a few FZ7's around and they are not ridden by old guys. They sound great with an aftermarket muffler.
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Tell that to all of the young folks buying V7s and new Bonnevilles :laugh: The sport bike market has gone a bit flat .
Dusty
That's just hipsters, another passing fad. But then pretty much everything is a fad...
I personally don't care for this yamaha version. It's just more UJM. The ducati is so much prettier, and I bet the engine on the duc is loads more fun than this thing. I can't see it putting a dent in ducati scrambler sales.
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Honda's part of the rumor mill.
I like the heck out of this bike - the CB1100r:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/07/old-honda-concepts-heading-for-production/
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/070115middle.jpg)
I do like this Honda!! Right in most ways for me and simple.
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I bet they don't sell to the younger generation. Everybody knows anything less than a liter bike is for beginners or girls.
Honda is selling boatloads of CB500Xs and it isn't old foggies buying them. There are a lot of people getting into motorcycling, and endless stream of new customers. These newer riders don't care about triple digit speeds, they want to drag foot pegs and stop for lattes.
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I had a Yamaha 650 twin, 77 model from 78 to 94. One of the best motorcycles I ever owned. Versatile enough that I rode it on
trails, streets, highways, and interstates. It pulled a sidecar for me for some of those years.
I had the xs1 same colour as the one above, These things had bugger all ground clearance plus it was funny how they used to vib so much that it would do 360 by just revving it once up on its centre stand it was like a party trick lol!
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The Yamaha styling is not as organic as the Ducati. There is no flow at all, and is the engine playing a harmonica?
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Sorry, but it's one ugly POS.
And, more proof that the Japanese OEMs just don't "get it".
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Another XS1 owner. Mine was the orange 71 XS1B I believe. My first very own bike. I wouldn't mine owning one. Just can't really justify any more vehicles.
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Not sure I like this new style, the radiator is kinda big and dominating the look of the bike. Also some other pictures from your link kinda remind me of a steampunk overall look to the bike, very busy. Now lets talk about the second picture :drool: .
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/Smileys/default/1.gif
Mirrored your thoughts as soon as I opened the thread.
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I sort of like the bike, but I'd never buy one just because of the SO-cool-looking dude they're using to model it. Obviously not meant for me!
I hate stupid advertising.
Lannis
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What is it with Manufacturers these days? Are they trying to save money by not designing anything that remotely resembles a rear fender/tail assembly. And that passenger portion of the seat? If I told my wife she had to sit on that for an afternoon ride she would have two words for me, and they wouldn't be "I love you"! To my eyes the headlight is to small and sticks out too far, the fuel tank looks like it was hammered out with a chop axe and the engine is an oversized lump of machinery stuck between a swing arm that looks like it came off a drag bike and a set of front forks off a 350cc bike. And again, Flat black? Ugh.
I do like the wheels and wave rotors for the brakes.
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I actually think it looks pretty good the more I see of it, but that radiator has to get some paint on it.
And wow, check out their promotional video, you couldn't make it more gehy if you tried!
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/07/yamaha-introduces-2016-xsr700-retro-design-built-on-fz-07-platform/
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The Duc and Yammi might be called scramblers, I think they're more like Street Trackers. The big front tires and upright riding position makes them look like Flat Track racers.
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If you want a scrambler, buy a KLR. Form follows function, get it the wrong way around and all you have is a short lived fashion accessory. In this case a Japanese fashion accessory. In my opinion the Japanese are very good at no-nonsense and terrible at emotional products like these.
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Having owned a 70's XS 650, I see nothing of that bike in this fugly mashup. Ducati has nothing to worry about.
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I also had an XS650 a 77 ,rode it all over NE and I can't see where the inspiration came from. :shocked: So for looks I'll take the 77 but for riding I think I would take this over my old XS!
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I've seen very few new bike designs in the past few years that have excited me, let alone been compelling enough to pull money from my wallet. Yes, there have been some exceptions, but for the most part, I think today's designs (mostly from the Japanese manufacturers) are hideous, this Yamaha not excluded. Someday I hope this motorcycle-as-a-fashion-statement nonsense will come to an end, but I'm not holding my breath!
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OK - since the general consensus is that the inspiration for this rolling wart is the XS650... I have this to say.
My name is Todd, and I'm an XS650 "Special" owner. Though I haven't had an XS650 for 30 years now, I've come to know that one never really does cease to be an XS 650 owner. In fact one always teeters on the edge of a possible re-lapse. Each time I see one in photos, statically sitting on a stand or worse, should I see one idling and jiggling on the verge of taking off on its own... I feel that old, barely controllable draw, back to its paradoxical presentation of; odd-standard, innovative-retro, conventional and yet quirky presence.
Sure and I've been deep in the closet over my particular 650 being a "Special", still, I remain unbowed and further acknowledge a long unfulfilled desire for a "Midnight Special"!
There, I've said it, it's electronically locked into the AlGore etherpermanence for ever - never to be denied.
Whew... That's a load off.
Todd.
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The design looks really confusing to my eye, with all those different shapes, tubes and pipes and no visual theme to tie it together - except for the lovely (cough cough) flat black paint job.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/junkyard_zpsqy8v7r5b.jpg)
I think I can see one!
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The design looks really confusing to my eye, with all those different shapes, tubes and pipes and no visual theme to tie it together - except for the lovely (cough cough) flat black paint job.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/junkyard_zpsqy8v7r5b.jpg)
I think I can see one!
By golly - I wonder how many times I've stood in the place this photo was taken from.
One of my favorite haunts in all of Maricopa County! Oddly - that dry-van on the left has a bunch of XS and Virago engines spilling out of it.
Todd.
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The Duc and Yammi might be called scramblers, I think they're more like Street Trackers. The big front tires and upright riding position makes them look like Flat Track racers.
I gave up on hipsters calling something what it really was, when I found out that I was NOT looking for chicken wire...I was looking for poultry netting!! :grin:
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The design looks really confusing to my eye, with all those different shapes, tubes and pipes and no visual theme to tie it together - except for the lovely (cough cough) flat black paint job.
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That thing's horrible. I agree completely. What were they thinkin? Scrambler?? I don't see no steenkin scrambler.. gottla at least have high pipes for water crossings.
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:copcar: that radiator is bigger than the one on the mack truck I drive lol :boozing:
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OK - since the general consensus is that the inspiration for this rolling wart is the XS650... I have this to say.
My name is Todd, and I'm an XS650 "Special" owner. Though I haven't had an XS650 for 30 years now, I've come to know that one never really does cease to be an XS 650 owner. In fact one always teeters on the edge of a possible re-lapse. Each time I see one in photos, statically sitting on a stand or worse, should I see one idling and jiggling on the verge of taking off on its own... I feel that old, barely controllable draw, back to its paradoxical presentation of; odd-standard, innovative-retro, conventional and yet quirky presence.
Sure and I've been deep in the closet over my particular 650 being a "Special", still, I remain unbowed and further acknowledge a long unfulfilled desire for a "Midnight Special"!
There, I've said it, it's electronically locked into the AlGore etherpermanence for ever - never to be denied.
Whew... That's a load off.
,Todd.
Did you eat some mushrooms before you wrote that? Nothing wrong with it either way, but it would help me to understand where you were coming from, if I new you were high off your gourd.
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Did you eat some mushrooms before you wrote that? Nothing wrong with it either way, but it would help me to understand where you were coming from, if I new you were high off your gourd.
OK, sure... go with that. :boozing:
Todd.
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I like it a lot! It's something new from Japan hasn't been offered so much recently. they are extremely good at upgrading incrementally on sportbikes cruisers you name it but this is just a bike that you can ride all around without getting a huge ticket. I would definitely be in line for one except that I have the doorsoduro 750 that pretty much covers that area.
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The design looks really confusing to my eye, with all those different shapes, tubes and pipes and no visual theme to tie it together - except for the lovely (cough cough) flat black paint job.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/junkyard_zpsqy8v7r5b.jpg)
I think I can see one!
This pic makes me feel sad😫
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Sorry, but it's one ugly POS.
I agree. I'd rather have the FZ-07 that it is derived from. I've ridden them, they're a good ride, but, yes, the FZ-07 is sort of ugly too. This new model makes it uglier.
And, more proof that the Japanese OEMs just don't "get it".
Not always:
(http://databikes.com/imgs/a/b/o/u/w/kawasaki__w650_2003_1_lgw.jpg)
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But the Kawasaki W650 was just a blatant -- and admitted -- Bonneville knock-off, not an original design.
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But the Kawasaki W650 was just a blatant -- and admitted -- Bonneville knock-off, not an original design.
I figure the W650 wanted to tap into contemporary Bonnie success but the W650 goes back to the W1 of 1965 which was a bit of a BSA clone if anything. Then, the W650 had a bunch of its own thinking involved.
This subtractive XSR seems to merely be an FZ07(MZ?) with not even tenuous connections to its supposed inspiration, the original XS.
Todd.
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But the Kawasaki W650 was just a blatant -- and admitted -- Bonneville knock-off, not an original design.
Not Bonneville, BSA A10 Golden Flash ..... and yes, an admitted knock-off.
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Not sure I like this new style, the radiator is kinda big and dominating the look of the bike. Also some other pictures from your link kinda remind me of a steampunk overall look to the bike, very busy. Now lets talk about the second picture :drool: .
Yup.
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Not Bonneville, BSA A10 Golden Flash ..... and yes, an admitted knock-off.
BSA Kaw knock off, now where have I heard about that before?
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Kawasaki%20W1-1965.jpg)
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One more example of why Guzzi needs to get more than a measly 38hp from the V7 as the Yamaha is rated 73hp with 2 cylinders and the almost the same displacement
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One more example of why Guzzi needs to get more than a measly 38hp from the V7 as the Yamaha is rated 73hp with 2 cylinders and the almost the same displacement
I wonder how many people know or care how much HP their engine is making? The Yamaha will feel like a Yamaha and all the HP in the world won't change that.
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I wonder how many people know or care how much HP their engine is making? The Yamaha will feel like a Yamaha and all the HP in the world won't change that.
Exactly!! Figures are figures and they don't give you a true perspective of how things function. Rather shallow thinking IMO.
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I like it a lot! It's something new from Japan hasn't been offered so much recently. they are extremely good at upgrading incrementally on sportbikes cruisers you name it but this is just a bike that you can ride all around without getting a huge ticket. I would definitely be in line for one except that I have the doorsoduro 750 that pretty much covers that area.
There you go guys... "something new from Japan". Good enough to fawn over because it's new?? I need a better excuse than that.
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One more example of why Guzzi needs to get more than a measly 38hp from the V7 as the Yamaha is rated 73hp with 2 cylinders and the almost the same displacement
Yes it would be nice to have more HP but I purchased the V7 after having 4 demo rides and the low HP to me it was no big deal.
For me its more about riding on the street without being tempted to do dumb stuff like I used to do on sports bikes plus I love the ease of maintenance.
I notice you have a 04 R1 I used to own a 05 model :thumb: but have you ever adjusted the valves on a R1?
If not its a big job just to get to the stage of checking them but if you need to reshim any it makes the job even worse.
Yes big HP is awesome but with great power comes headaches! :copcar:
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I wonder how many people know or care how much HP their engine is making? The Yamaha will feel like a Yamaha and all the HP in the world won't change that.
I am sure almost all motorcyclists and the guys here know how much HP their bike has. Unless of course it's a V7, because you would want to be oblivious to keep from embarrassment when asked.
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Yes it would be nice to have more HP but I purchased the V7 after having 4 demo rides and the low HP to me it was no big deal.
For me its more about riding on the street without being tempted to do dumb stuff like I used to do on sports bikes plus I love the ease of maintenance.
I notice you have a 04 R1 I used to own a 05 model :thumb: but have you ever adjusted the valves on a R1?
If not its a big job just to get to the stage of checking them but if you need to reshim any it makes the job even worse.
Yes big HP is awesome but with great power comes headaches! :copcar:
Well since the first valve adjustment requirement is at 26,000 miles ( and that's with a 5 valve head ) and it has 12,000 miles on it in 10 years it could easily be a total of 20 years before I would ever need to do it. Amazing what real engineering can produce!
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I'm sure your aware why Yamaha went to 4 valve heads?
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Lots of bikes out there, scramblers were sort of started by Honda's 250 & 305's with high pipes, many don't remember, before there was Moto Cross, it was called Scrambles racing. FZ-07 is a great bike, the radiator should be black, then it will go away a little. It has all the atrbutes of a good bike, light weight, reasonable power, low price, and a good seating position. Only needs wind protection. As far as touring, I think that has more to do with the attitude of the rider! I have ridden a KLR across the country, an FZ 6 on a 4,000 mile trip, and a BMW on several long trips, so I believe attitude has more to do with riding, than style, or power.............F unction before Form..........like Guzzi's
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I figure the W650 wanted to tap into contemporary Bonnie success but the W650 goes back to the W1 of 1965 which was a bit of a BSA clone if anything. Then, the W650 had a bunch of its own thinking involved.
This subtractive XSR seems to merely be an FZ07(MZ?) with not even tenuous connections to its supposed inspiration, the original XS.
Todd.
The W650 and contemporary (Hinckley) Bonneville launched at about the same time. In fact, the W650 being a year earlier in 1999.
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I'm sure your aware why Yamaha went to 4 valve heads?
I am and it was nothing to do with mechanical issues. Wasn't worth the expense for gain.
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http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/104-04-06-r1-mechanical-help/303942-r1-valve-problems.html
This is the reason I sold mine I got rid of the bike before any issues came up.
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Well, if you just look at the mass and complexity of the wc engine, you know that it can never look "retro. However, that's just a given. Live with it. The tank shape is another thing. When looking at the tank in 3D in the video, it's not that bad. I think you need to gauge things by the intended use/market. Certainly, you wouldn't waste time saying that this is a lousy choice for a HD cruiser type. Equally, this bike was not designed ot built for old Moto Guzzi guys trapped in 1970s technology. It is a machine built to a price for younger riders. Yamaha wants to draw in hipsters with an homage to the past, but using a modern engine that has oomph, efficiency, and higher power to weight.
It's been said before- but faithful retro standards have been built for perceived demand from traditionalists (Honda GB500, Kawa W650, Honda CB1100). In every case, the older rider/retro market has proven petulant and unappreciative of these spectacular efforts. As a result, I doubt that Yamaha gives a damn what folks on this board whine about. They certainly aren't going to engineer a ground up air cooled mill just so you folks can bitch about the fin spacing.
It's a concept bike that is trying to draw younger riders into the sport with a simpler, less expensive motorcycle that has a great ratio of fun to $$$. Good on 'em. I'm intrigued to see the progress in design and applaud new technology especially when it tries to pare down to essentials. I hope they sell a boatload of 'em.
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I am sure almost all motorcyclists and the guys here know how much HP their bike has. Unless of course it's a V7, because you would want to be oblivious to keep from embarrassment when asked.
Before I bought my V7 I was fully aware of it's (perceived by some, lack of) power. One test ride was all it took to prove the naysayers wrong. It has all of the real world power I need. Of course, when I was buying a motorcycle, I wasn't trying to compensate for something else.
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God I love it; call all "standards" scramblers now. At least cafe's had a bit more distinction. Sales 101 I know.
THIS IS NOT A SCRAMBLER.
Who is calling this a Scrambler? The linked article just says this is competition for the Ducati Scrambler.
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The constant droll here from some about the lack of HP from the v7 is so tiring. It is what it is, and it's going to remain what it is until, it's not!!!
The Sporty 883, Honda Shadow 750, and 700 series twins and v7s, all produce similar power numbers, proving that there is a market for modest powered bikes.
Not every car sold today comes with a 500 hp big block, many many seem to be getting buy on far less than 200!
Uhg!!!
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I am sure almost all motorcyclists and the guys here know how much HP their bike has. Unless of course it's a V7, because you would want to be oblivious to keep from embarrassment when asked.
Unless you've put it on a dyno you won't know squat. Otherwise, all you'll know is what someone else told you. Embarrassment isn't answering how much horsepower a Moto Guzzi has, embarrassment is asking in the first place and thinking anyone cares.
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The constant droll here from some about the lack of HP from the v7 is so tiring. It is what it is, and it's going to remain what it is until, it's not!!!
The Sporty 883, Honda Shadow 750, and 700 series twins and v7s, all produce similar power numbers, proving that there is a market for modest powered bikes.
Not every car sold today comes with a 500 hp big block, many many seem to be getting buy on far less than 200!
Uhg!!!
Unfortunately the V7 is always at the bottom of theses bikes producing similar power. Wish it weren't so. If it were on the top of the list, no doubt those spouting horsepower doesn't matter would be praising Guzzi's engineering prowess with being able to have the most HP of similar bikes.
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Unfortunately the V7 is always at the bottom of theses bikes producing similar power. Wish it weren't so. If it were on the top of the list, no doubt those spouting horsepower doesn't matter would be praising Guzzi's engineering prowess with being able to have the most HP of similar bikes.
It doesn't matter how much HP a bike produces, there is always another that produces more. If you want higher HP, then you buy one that makes enough for you to maintain bragging rights.
There is a reason why some riders on high HP sport bikes can't keep up with good riders on single cylinder Aprilia Pegaso's or other similarly limited HP machines. No amount of HP can make up for a rider lacking riding skills. Sure, on the straights the higher HP bike can out accelerate the other bike but all straight roads end in a curve or a stop. You can try but you can't outrun skill, one of two things happen, you end up in a ditch or you've proved yourself to be someone no one else wants to ride with.
When all things are equal, more HP makes for a faster bike but not all things are equal, ever. There will always be people who buy one thing and then complain it isn't something else. Complaining about your own choices won't ever be cured with more HP.
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Unfortunately the V7 is always at the bottom of theses bikes producing similar power. Wish it weren't so. If it were on the top of the list, no doubt those spouting horsepower doesn't matter would be praising Guzzi's engineering prowess with being able to have the most HP of similar bikes.
No, your wrong. A quick check of evaluations over at Motorcycle Consumer shows the v7 does indeed make more HP than a Honda Shadow.
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Exactly!! Figures are figures and they don't give you a true perspective of how things function. Rather shallow thinking IMO.
You just described the American consumer
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If it can get a ticket on the interstate, it has enough horsepower. That is just my opinion. I haven't found a long enough deserted stretch of road to see how fast my V7 will go, but it really doesn't matter, it does highway speeds just fine. Guess I am getting old enough to not give a rat's ass about numbers when it comes to motorcycles.
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If it can get a ticket on the interstate, it has enough horsepower. That is just my opinion. I haven't found a long enough deserted stretch of road to see how fast my V7 will go, but it really doesn't matter, it does highway speeds just fine. Guess I am getting old enough to not give a rat's ass about numbers when it comes to motorcycles.
I agree. But some folks on this very forum have said that 150 horsepower on a street bike is not enough for them; they could use 200 if the bike would provide it.
And I'm sure that if it actually had 200 horsepower, they'd insist that they really need 225, etc etc etc
Lannis
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I agree. But some folks on this very forum have said that 150 horsepower on a street bike is not enough for them; they could use 200 if the bike would provide it.
And I'm sure that if it actually had 200 horsepower, they'd insist that they really need 225, etc etc etc
Lannis
Uh.. you've never heard me say, "That would be a really nice bike (or airplane) if it had a little less horsepower.." :evil: :smiley:
Guilty, yer honor.
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Uh.. you've never heard me say, "That would be a really nice bike (or airplane) if it had a little less horsepower.." :evil: :smiley:
Guilty, yer honor.
You won't hear me say I wish I had less bullets, though :boozing:.
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Definitely not ready for a Moto Guzzi.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/like%20braaaa_zpsgdzip7ex.jpg)
:rolleyes:
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You won't hear me say I wish I had less bullets, though :boozing:.
Or less altitude. Or less fuel. Or less runway ......
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I see a difference between having enough and saying you want less, especially if you don't really know for sure what you have in the first place. How many of us can say we know what the HP numbers are at the rear wheel? Given the states of tune so often talked about here, the differences between bikes of the same model could run 10 HP or more.
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Less cars.
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Ugly front end IMHO. Don't like the radiator, or how the tank looks cut in half. Probably pretty functional, but they have to quit hiring designers who's favorite movies are the Transformer series.
Steve
That's going to sell like hot cakes!
http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/the-yamaha-xsr700-is-the-ducati-scrambler-competitor-we-1719558774
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2016-yamaha-xsr700/2016-Yamaha-XSR700-Static-11.jpg)
The inspiration
(http://www.xs650.com/images/main/xs1.jpg)
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Unfortunately the V7 is always at the bottom of theses bikes producing similar power. Wish it weren't so. If it were on the top of the list, no doubt those spouting horsepower doesn't matter would be praising Guzzi's engineering prowess with being able to have the most HP of similar bikes.
At this point I do have to make a case for this: Guzzi may make "underpowered" engines, but there is a lot to be said about engines that are understressed. If a guzzi engine doesn't have any kind of manufacturing defect, it's likely to last longer than all the other engines of the same displacement that make around the same power.
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I like this new Yammie variant, it's less ugly and more interesting than most other bikes coming from JAPanInc.
I figure the W650 wanted to tap into contemporary Bonnie success but the W650 goes back to the W1 of 1965 which was a bit of a BSA clone if anything. Then, the W650 had a bunch of its own thinking involved.
I would argue that a licensed copy is not a clone or knock off, but legally the same thing.
And if memory serves, the W650 preceded the neo-Bonnie.
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One more example of why Guzzi needs to get more than a measly 38hp from the V7 as the Yamaha is rated 73hp with 2 cylinders and the almost the same displacement
Point of order, the 73 hp figure is undoubtedly crank and not rear wheel, so let's not exaggerate, the comparison is 50 vs 73.
But again, I can choose between a similar difference every time I walk into the garage (V7 vs. Duc) and 9/10 times I choose the V7.
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(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/emperorsnewclothes_zpssv2wq0rr.jpg)
:huh: Huh? Other site comments indicate that there are many who admire and love that look. Maybe they are paid trolls working the system. Nah. :lipsrsealed:
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Less cars.
Less distracted idiots driving cars (and SUV's and other vehicles on the roads).
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But again, I can choose between a similar difference every time I walk into the garage (V7 vs. Duc) and 9/10 times I choose the V7.
That was my experience too, when I had my V7C. It got the nod over its more powerful stablemates almost every time I wheeled a bike out of the garage.