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Title: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 03, 2015, 05:21:42 PM
Well, almost.  :smiley: This is the Kid's barn find very early Sport. (Some assembly required) There's a lot of Dr. John in it, though. It's serial number 37.
Zook front end
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/Sport/1-022_zpszynjoq6f.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/Sport/1-022_zpszynjoq6f.jpg.html)
Sand cast triples
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/Sport/1-026_zpsgnl9ueoy.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/Sport/1-026_zpsgnl9ueoy.jpg.html)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/Sport/1-028_zpsacf2izew.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/Sport/1-028_zpsacf2izew.jpg.html)
The usual barn find detritus.. :smiley: easily cleaned up, and the tank is perfect. Mistral x over and mufflers.  :thumb:
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/Sport/1-023_zpsbnbm6ksy.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/Sport/1-023_zpsbnbm6ksy.jpg.html)
The left footpeg could use a little blue pill, and the vise grip shifter needs some improvement. He already has them sourced.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/Sport/1-025_zps8nvjv1k3.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/Sport/1-025_zps8nvjv1k3.jpg.html)
Man! I *love* projects like this. His plans are to get it running and going down the road before deciding how much time and money he wants to spend on it. I'm thinking an early sport like this needs to be saved..  :thumb: It's bound to be rude, crude, and fun.. :laugh:
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: pauldaytona on August 03, 2015, 05:30:37 PM
nothing special on it, the sandcast triple is stock. The daytona was a few years earlier. The sport carb is it's weak sister. But you can still have fun after cleaning it
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: rocker59 on August 03, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
nothing special on it, the sandcast triple is stock. The daytona was a few years earlier. The sport carb is it's weak sister. But you can still have fun after cleaning it

All spine-frames are special !!! 
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 03, 2015, 05:53:10 PM
All spine-frames are special !!!

 :grin: Absolutely..
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: bad Chad on August 03, 2015, 06:45:18 PM
Weak sister my ass!   It won't :) ave the rush of 8v, but weak, that just not reality.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Dimples on August 03, 2015, 07:04:11 PM

Rude, crude and fun says it all!

And since it's not a Daytona he can beat the crap out of it with no worries.

D
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: dsrdave on August 03, 2015, 07:10:41 PM
Nice find!!! Lots of ways to treat the project.  I'd try and keep the racing roots...... AHRMA....
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Dimples on August 03, 2015, 07:53:51 PM
Join the fun--

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-Sport-1100-/252044966186?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3aaf0cf92a&item=252044966186
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 03, 2015, 10:00:02 PM
Join the fun--

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-Sport-1100-/252044966186?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3aaf0cf92a&item=252044966186

Wow Wee someone must have jumped on that one quick
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: BMWDavid on August 04, 2015, 06:01:48 AM
Wow Wee someone must have jumped on that one quick

Man...I was going to make a move on that, at least try. Snooze you lose!
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Cam3512 on August 04, 2015, 06:15:51 AM
Man...I was going to make a move on that, at least try. Snooze you lose!

Looks like it didn't sell on ebay.  Might still be available. 
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: BMWDavid on August 04, 2015, 07:29:34 AM
I contacted seller...he has a deposit on it locally. Will know by weekend if deal goes through. He said for me to contact him Sunday with update. Maybe I can get this bike yet?
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Blueboarhound on August 04, 2015, 12:35:33 PM
Join the fun--

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-Sport-1100-/252044966186?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3aaf0cf92a&item=252044966186

Those look like D&D slip-ons, not Staintune.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: rocker59 on August 04, 2015, 12:44:12 PM
Those look like D&D slip-ons, not Staintune.

Full Staintune system with Staintune carbon cans.

Rare when new.  Unobtainable now.  That's a $2500 exhaust system on that bike.

Bike looks new!

All is needs is some Keihin FCR41s to go with that exhaust system!

Fun!  Fun!
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Blueboarhound on August 04, 2015, 01:22:25 PM
Not saying I couldn't be wrong I just don't remember the carbon Staintunes having the full wrap around hanger bracket. I thought they had the same style hanger bracket as the stainless version but it has been 20 years since they made them.........:boozing:
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Blueboarhound on August 04, 2015, 01:25:56 PM
Back to Chucks son and his barn find, is it a '95?
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: rocker59 on August 04, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Back to Chucks son and his barn find, is it a '95?

Yep.  Giveaway is the body-color fork lowers.

On the '96 bikes they were silver on all.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: rocker59 on August 04, 2015, 02:07:01 PM
Not saying I couldn't be wrong I just don't remember the carbon Staintunes having the full wrap around hanger bracket. I thought they had the same style hanger bracket as the stainless version but it has been 20 years since they made them.........:boozing:

Now you have me doubting my (feeble) memory.

Header/Crossover has to be Staintune, but I guess the cans could be something else.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 04, 2015, 03:21:40 PM
Yep.  Giveaway is the body-color fork lowers.

On the '96 bikes they were silver on all.

I *think* it's a 94?
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: rocker59 on August 04, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
I *think* it's a 94?

'94 and '95 had the body-color lower fork legs.  '96 had silver.

The Carb Sport was made from '94 to '96, though I thought the '94 was particularly rare in the USA.  But they all are, I guess.

Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 04, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
You'd think S/N 37 would be pretty early..
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Blueboarhound on August 04, 2015, 05:45:18 PM
You'd think S/N 37 would be pretty early..

Chuck, here are the production numbers for the Sports in case you were wondering. I would think you could narrow down the year with the VIN.

Sport 1100 Production numbers:

1994: 365
1995: 1,191
1996: 215

Sport 1100 IE

1997: 1,314

Sport 1100 Corsa

1998: 200
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 04, 2015, 06:37:07 PM
Chuck, here are the production numbers for the Sports in case you were wondering. I would think you could narrow down the year with the VIN.

Sport 1100 Production numbers:

1994: 365
1995: 1,191
1996: 215

Sport 1100 IE

1997: 1,314

Sport 1100 Corsa

1998: 200

Well, the VIN had a 1 followed by a bunch of zeros and 37.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: cruzziguzzi on August 04, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
'94 and '95 had the body-color lower fork legs.  '96 had silver.

The Carb Sport was made from '94 to '96, though I thought the '94 was particularly rare in the USA.  But they all are, I guess.

My 95's are silver, more's the pity.

As to all spine frames being "Special"... couldn't agree more though some wane in their special-ness...
Like the ones using electro-metering induction with computer machines.
The ones with too many valves.
Oh, and the ones with the forks wrong-way-'round necessitating those odd ball mudguards.
Too, the ones where I can't see through the pork-chops.

Todd.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: rocker59 on August 04, 2015, 10:49:12 PM
Chuck, here are the production numbers for the Sports in case you were wondering. I would think you could narrow down the year with the VIN.
 

Yeah. 

If the 10th digit is an "R", it's a 1994.

If the 10th digit is an "S", it's a 1995.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: rocker59 on August 04, 2015, 10:50:16 PM
My 95's are silver, more's the pity.


What color is the bodywork on your bike?

As usual, exceptions seem to be the rule at Guzzi !!!
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Vasco DG on August 05, 2015, 12:55:25 AM
Are you planning on pulling the gearbox for a looksee? I would, for a couple of reasons. Firstly the early Sport C's were smack in the middle of one of those 'Crappy Clutch Plate' episodes so it could go it's at some point.

Secondly there is the problem with the straight cut box. Some, but apparently not all had poor case hardening on some of the gears. Fifth was the most problematic and IMHO it's worth taking out the straight cut fifth on principle and replacing it with a later, five dog, or earlier, six dog, helical alternative.

On boxes I've been through I've found if the damage to fifth is addressed early by replacement it is unlikely that the damage will progress to the next stage where the primaries and third cry uncle. When that happens it's all over, endgame!

I used to not like the Carb Sports because of their issues but at the end of the day they really are a glorious, magnificent dinosaur and if I was to buy a spiney, (Retirement looms!) a Carb Sport would probably be my pick......

Carry on.

Pete
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: BMWDavid on August 05, 2015, 05:56:10 AM
Just got a message from eBay seller...the carb sport has been sold.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 05, 2015, 07:49:22 AM
Quote
glorious, magnificent dinosaur

Yeah, that's kind of the point. We're both antiquers, and feel this one should be saved. Thanks for the transmission info.. I'll pass it on.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: malik on August 05, 2015, 06:15:06 PM
My 95's are silver, more's the pity.

As to all spine frames being "Special"... couldn't agree more though some wane in their special-ness...
Like the ones using electro-metering induction with computer machines.
The ones with too many valves.
Oh, and the ones with the forks wrong-way-'round necessitating those odd ball mudguards.
Too, the ones where I can't see through the pork-chops.

Todd.

Hear! Hear! My thoughts exactly.

Mal
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: cruzziguzzi on August 05, 2015, 07:38:12 PM
What color is the bodywork on your bike?

As usual, exceptions seem to be the rule at Guzzi !!!

Geeze Rocker - I should think that my not noting the color would be interpreted as the only damn color they should be....

RED 'course. :boozing:

Some day, if I ever get the house paint overspray off my Sport, I'll likely match the lowers to body with one of the Ferrari reds.

Todd.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: BMWDavid on August 05, 2015, 10:02:54 PM
That '95 is back on eBay. I guess the guy who bought it is flipping it. Starting bid of $8000.00!
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Dimples on August 06, 2015, 09:20:54 PM
Here it goes again. Just moved a little further south to Hialeah from Fort Lauderdale. Oh, and now all the money.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-SPORT-1100-/261994086288?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d00107f90&item=261994086288
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Orange Guzzi on August 07, 2015, 08:21:17 AM
What is a "Zook" front end.  The fork tubes and lowers, brakes look the same as my Bassa takeoffs on my Aluminium. 
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: rocker59 on August 07, 2015, 08:32:33 AM
What is a "Zook" front end.  The fork tubes and lowers, brakes look the same as my Bassa takeoffs on my Aluminium.

Marzocchi.

The Daytona 1000 and Sport 1100 carb had a version of the 1980s vintage Marzocchi M1 41.7mm forks.

The forks were also used on Ducatis in the late '80s and early '90s, before they went to inverted ones.

The forks are different from the ones on your Cal Bassa.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 08, 2015, 08:04:50 PM
The Kid sent me a picture.. looks like he's making progress.  :thumb:
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/1-20150808_190542_resized_zpsubsrdvvc.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/1-20150808_190542_resized_zpsubsrdvvc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: blakebird on August 09, 2015, 11:05:21 AM
My 95's are silver, more's the pity.

As to all spine frames being "Special"... couldn't agree more though some wane in their special-ness...
Like the ones using electro-metering induction with computer machines.
The ones with too many valves.
Oh, and the ones with the forks wrong-way-'round necessitating those odd ball mudguards.
Too, the ones where I can't see through the pork-chops.

Todd.

Hey!  Those are special too! I don't care if I can't see thru the pork chops, and the WP fork works pretty well
I think having a cush drive, a robust helical gear transmission, and Marchesini 17" wheels on both ends makes up for any tendency to "wane in their special-ness"   :grin:

I was a little encouraged seeing that 2300 mile example '95 on ebay with an $8000 starting price.
Made me feel a little better about what I paid for my 5,770 mile one-owner '97 with full Staintune :wink:

Mine is getting the 18 yr old original tires replaced (T30, thanks for the tip Mike) and I ordered a set of intake sleeves to replace the ones that are beginning to crack from age.
All new fluids and a TB sync, should be in good shape just before the big El Nino winter snowpack buries Colorado :laugh:

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg39/blakebird/1997%20Guzzi%201100i%20Sport/DSCN1571_zpsxrjljmlp.jpg)
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 09, 2015, 03:45:41 PM
Just got this message from the Kid.. slightly edited.  :smiley:

Emotional day with Spot yesterday. New pegs arrived in the mail. Installed pegs, seat and tailsection. Finally cop a squat, feels really cool :smiley:  Well shit, looks like the left clip on is bent.  Didn't see that. Oh well, just more money. Press forward. Lets check the valves. WTF?? Motor is locked up :sad: Nothing in the pan,can't see anything in the cylinder. Going to bed.  This morning after not sleeping well, decided to pull the head and see just how bad it is. Are you kidding me?  Sunflower seeds. In a nutshell, yeah I know, really bad pun, nothing mechanical wrong. No ridges in the cylinders and can still see the cross hatching in the walls. Looks new. 20 bucks in head gaskets and one sleepless night. Problem solved. I think the Belle (his dawg) and I will go chase some squirrels


(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/spot/1-20150809_111339_resized_zps6h5wo7nz.jpg) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/elwood59/media/spot/1-20150809_111339_resized_zps6h5wo7nz.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Blueboarhound on August 09, 2015, 08:10:22 PM
 Squirrels.....I hate those rat bastards.
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: wrbix on August 09, 2015, 10:03:05 PM
Squirrels.....I hate those rat bastards.
More likely mice.
Sunflower seeds in the head?
I've had mouses stashes in the air cleaners or air boxes - all the way into the head?
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 10, 2015, 06:20:23 AM
More likely mice.
Sunflower seeds in the head?
I've had mouses stashes in the air cleaners or air boxes - all the way into the head?

Hard to imagine isn't it?  :smiley:
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: blakebird on August 10, 2015, 07:14:03 AM
Hard to imagine isn't it?  :smiley:
it is....especially on a carb'd bike.

on EFI you'd think they could maybe push the butterfly open and pack the intake full, which would get into the cylinder head and if a valve was open - the combustion chamber.

getting past a throttle slide would take a Houdini mouse
Title: Re: Dr. John's race bike..
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 10, 2015, 07:49:59 AM
it is....especially on a carb'd bike.

on EFI you'd think they could maybe push the butterfly open and pack the intake full, which would get into the cylinder head and if a valve was open - the combustion chamber.

getting past a throttle slide would take a Houdini mouse

 Maybe the slide was jammed open at some time during it's sojourn in the shed? But.... it has K&Ns on it. Up the exhaust? Dunno. Some things aren't made to be understood..  :smiley: Sure was a better find than discovering valve pieces or a stuck rod bearing, though.