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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: T in NC on August 10, 2015, 11:39:58 AM
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I just finished reading "One Second After" a book that chronicles what it would be like after a EMP attack kills all of our modern high tech electronic devices. It got me thinking, "I'm glad I have the mighty 850" (Guzzi content). While I'm not a full blown "prepper", but.... Anyway there any number of things that could disrupt the comfortable life as we have come to know it, whether long term or short. It has always amazed me what panic the forecast of a little snow causes here in the south.
So this could be a good topic or gone by the fifth reply. But have you given the topic any thought and if so what plans and or actions have taken.
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What do you recommend for a substitute currency - when all the credit and debit cards and readers dont work and you need to refill your gas tank?
I read somewhere:
Bic lighters
Cigarettes
Coins with some precious metal in them.
Packets of sugar?
Toilet paper?
Copies of my book?
Well? :undecided:
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Assuming nuclear origin of said EMP, I hope I'm atomized in the initial blast. I've had a good life and don't care to struggle to survive in a post-apocolyptic world, thank you very much.
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Assuming nuclear origin of said EMP, I hope I'm atomized in the initial blast. I've had a good life and don't care to struggle to survive in a post-apocolyptic world, thank you very much.
Me too.
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My daughter is the Physicist in the family but basically when a bomb is detonates higher than 25 miles up the energy release causes a couple of reaction that fry electronics, think power surge in a lightning storm, but is not felt by humans and doesn't affect more robust "electrical" systems. Pre 80 cars and motorcycle for example. Problem is the dam chips control almost every thing, it is a digital world.
Who "wants to live in a post-apocalyptic world"? Nobody of course, but there are thing that could be done system wide and personally that would mitigate the suffering.
What do you recommend for a substitute currency - when all the credit and debit cards and readers dont work and you need to refill your gas tank?
I read somewhere:
Bic lighters
Cigarettes
Coins with some precious metal in them.
Packets of sugar?
Toilet paper?
Copies of my book?
Well? :undecided:
ammo
food
whatever I have that you want more than what I want.
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The only thing you need after the first second is to find a preppers and get down to the ugly business of survival.
Personally, I plan on going in the first second and let the cockroaches take over for the next billion years.
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You'll also pay much more for: Candles, simple medical supplies, basic chemicals like alcohol and oils, soaps ......
Uber! Cuban version! :huh:
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The united states is 3 million square miles...
While the threat of EMP attack is somewhat possible... it's not very plausable.
Could an EMP smoke devices regionally? sure...
But any blasts significant enough to take down the entire US system would be so large as to destroy the entire continent.
Even WE don't have that much nuclear firepower in our arsenal... much less any of these pissant countries still struggling to make technology on par with Fat Man & Little Boy
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Pre 80 cars and motorcycle for example.
Will Cuba rule post-apocalypse?
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Anyone that thinks an EMP pulse will shut down the planet, simply need to buy one of my tin foil hats.
:boozing:
EMP will be regional. With a little luck, it will take out the FecesBook servers. :thumb:
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Assuming nuclear origin of said EMP, I hope I'm atomized in the initial blast. I've had a good life and don't care to struggle to survive in a post-apocolyptic world, thank you very much.
:1: Remember all of the silly things that were foisted on us as as kids ? Duck and cover , keep your house painted ,bomb shelters, etc etc . I have decided to only worry about things that we might have some control over . Now , if science could just do something about the weather , some Star Trek weather control grid , that would be cool :laugh:
Dusty
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Anyone that thinks an EMP pulse will shut down the planet, simply need to buy one of my tin foil hats.
:boozing:
EMP will be regional. With a little luck, it will take out the FecesBook servers. :thumb:
I tend to agree to a point. In book everythig works out perfect, in this case ship launches three misses from the Gulf of Mexico and suddenly we are faced with a 17 century population that don't have the skills to live in a mid 20th century world.
The are many things that could break the supply chain we all have grown accustomed to, EMP is only one of them. Don't get me wrong this isn't something I'm hiding under my bed over. It is just something I thought I shold ponder and was wondering if anyone else was.
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What do you recommend for a substitute currency - when all the credit and debit cards and readers dont work and you need to refill your gas tank?
Ammo
Ammo
more ammo and sharp or pointy things.
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Ammo
Ammo
more ammo and sharp or pointy things.
Yeah, you hear about having gold, cash, guns and ammo.
Wait three days and those with no water will all be gone or trying to figure out if coffee filters really do make urine taste better.
Have water. Just enough protection to keep it. Within a week at most, the current generation will implode because no one on facebook or twitter told them what to do, anyone with an iPhone will find their total sum of knowledge was in the thing when it went belly up and most of everyone else was at a Starbucks when the sky got really bright.
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The united states is 3 million square miles...
While the threat of EMP attack is somewhat possible... it's not very plausable.
Could an EMP smoke devices regionally? sure...
But any blasts significant enough to take down the entire US system would be so large as to destroy the entire continent.
Even WE don't have that much nuclear firepower in our arsenal... much less any of these pissant countries still struggling to make technology on par with Fat Man & Little Boy
I get what you mean, but to clarify, we have way more firepower than would be needed to obliterate the entire United States. The US and Russia each still have thousands of nukes. If a good portion of them were to be used, no one would have to worry about EMPs, in fact no one would worry period.
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Tee hee. EMP will not end civilization as we know it. :rolleyes:
Might upset one city or three.
Gamma ray burst. Now that'll end us real quick. :evil:
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Tee hee. EMP will not end civilization as we know it. :rolleyes:
Might upset one city or three.
Gamma ray burst. Now that'll end us real quick. :evil:
Wonder what civilization will look like when we are all large , mean and green ? :laugh:
Hulk mad
Dusty
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What's the point? The sun eventually fries everything. Goodnight Ireeneee!
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Coffee.
Gotta have coffee.
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What's the point? The sun eventually fries everything. Goodnight Ireeneee!
Not for rather a long time yet though redrider. We really don't need to concern ourselves about that too much. The chances of any given species, including us, being around that long is bordering on nil.
Some form of disaster preparation does make sense though.
Being somewhat earthquake prone our civil defense org. puts out tv adds about it. Basically it amounts to providing yourself (by having it ready) with food, water and some form of shelter for a period of time. They say three days but I think that is too short. Two weeks seems a more sensible time to me.
They also stress having a plan, starting with a family meet up point. (that can be got to on foot) Given an earthquake scenario any form of travel will likely be disrupted along with systems generally, especially electricity. (When was the last time you say a working fuel pump with a manual handle on it?)
If the disaster requires preperation for more than a couple of weeks then we probably have something of such magnitude that it is approaching an extinction event anyway which will present sets of problems that will probably depend as much on luck as anything else.
The so called "preppers" seem to have a bomb shelter approach and assume hostility which I don't think reflects reasonable reality either in terms of feasibility or attitude.
It's been my observation that in a disaster situation people tend to muck in and help each other as much as possible rather than point guns at each other, though people in New Orleans after Catrina shooting at rescue helicopters does give me pause.
We are a co-operative species. Our survival, let alone progress depends on it.
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I just finished reading "One Second After" a book that chronicles what it would be like after a EMP attack kills all of our modern high tech electronic devices. It got me thinking, "I'm glad I have the mighty 850" (Guzzi content). While I'm not a full blown "prepper", but.... Anyway there any number of things that could disrupt the comfortable life as we have come to know it, whether long term or short. It has always amazed me what panic the forecast of a little snow causes here in the south.
So this could be a good topic or gone by the fifth reply. But have you given the topic any thought and if so what plans and or actions have taken.
What!??!
No smart phones? Chipped credit cards? Internet? ECUs in cars?
OH MY GOD! WE'D HAVE TO LIVE LIKE WE DID ALL THE WAY BACK IN ....
1980!
AHHHHHHH! OHHHHHHH! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!
CLUBS! FLINT KNAPPING! SABRE-TOOTHING TIGERS! WE'D ALL DIEEEEEEEEE ....
Lannis
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You mean, I'll then have to get up to change the channel!!
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You mean, I'll then have to get up to change the channel!!
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Well, not very often. There'll only be 3.
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http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
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I have the thing that is really needed - a wide range of pre-industrial skills. I make violins, have lots of hand tools (many from my great grandfather), and I know how to make tools. I can forge weld, hand work wood, shoot with black powder well enough, get machines running (I imagine I could scrounge around and eventually get a point system grafted to my Guzzi), and know negotiation. Suspect all that will be worth something in a post-electronic world. I can build a house or a boat out of my head.
On a more practical level, I encourage people to pay in silver or gold, and never change any for cash. There's a good deal ammunition stockpiled in dry. Usually have 2 to 6 months dry food on hand. Live on running water, heat with wood already.
In part, I grew up on a SAC base, so a fatalistic approach seems natural.
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"Anyone that thinks an EMP pulse will shut down the planet, simply need to buy one of my tin foil hats."
Dear Sir, You have regretfully not stated the price of these useful items. Please reply post haste. :clock:
Respectfully,PB :boozing:
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You mean, I'll then have to get up to change the channel!!
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You don't have kids?? :beer:
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Don't buy the cheap, knockoff tin foil hats. They can be dangerous, even ATTRACTING the rays you're trying to avoid. I've even seen some ALUMINUM foil hats being marketed as tin. Folks (and I use the term for depublicans and remocrats alike) -- if the hat doesn't attract a magnet its USELESS!!!!!
That said, I am offering GENUINE TIN foil hats (pointy on top to keep seagulls from roosting) for a mere 50# of potatoes, 10gal of premium fuel, or two boxes of .357, .44, or .270 ammunition. Lead ingots, saltpeter, and sulpher also possible payment -- smoke-signal me if interested. Remember -- these GENUINE TIN foil hats are 100% lifetime guaranteed to be genuine tin-foil hats. :thumb:
Time's wasting and I can't make this offer forever -- send you smoke signal NOW!
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Yep , and I am offering smoke signal lessons , will trade for drums of cheap gas , cases of 20W50
Dino , tires in the correct sizes for a Jackal , and cases of Spam .
Dusty
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Lord Jesus, bring on the EMP and make my work smart phone STFU! Thank you Jesus!
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Although accurately described, I think your motorcycle will be least of your concerns after an EMP event.
I wish that were my only worry or concern in life.
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Yep , and I am offering smoke signal lessons , will trade for drums of cheap gas , cases of 20W50
Dino , tires in the correct sizes for a Jackal , and cases of Spam .
Dusty
I got a case of spam for you -- woman calls up offering some sort of professional referral service. I was busy and didn't care. So I'm offering it to you as valuable trade. Or you can deal with her directly -- I'll give you her ph# (512-730-4191 -- REAL NUMBER -- don't call her unless you mean it!). You could probably trade English lessons instead of smoke signal tutoring.
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I got a case of spam for you -- woman calls up offering some sort of professional referral service. I was busy and didn't care. So I'm offering it to you as valuable trade. Or you can deal with her directly -- I'll give you her ph# (512-730-4191 -- REAL NUMBER -- don't call her unless you mean it!). You could probably trade English lessons instead of smoke signal tutoring.
Well, they don't really speak English in Texas , and unfortunately I only know smoke signal in Lakota and English , OK and a few words in Cyrillic , but those backward letters are a bitch :laugh:
Dusty
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Not a native TEXAN...but I know more than a few.... :whip2:
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Tin hats indeed! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
There are two types of disaster really. Local, and global. The first happens regularly enough to make some preparation for, the second, while known to occur from time to time really isn't worth worrying about.
If one of the super volcanoes Like Yellowstone or Taupo blows it's top the whole world is in trouble. When Toba did it's thing 74000 years ago the world population of humans went down to an estimated mere 2000!
If Yellowstone were to go no amount of preparation is going to help unless you happen to be not far north of Mexico (and then only for a while) Check out what happened last time it went off.
Not much point in getting all worried about such an event.
Localised disasters are a much different and more frequent proposition and worth have some preparation for, be they hurricane, tornado earthquake, or what ever risk presents in your area.
Anyone wanting advice on putting together a kit for such an event might find the following page of some use.
It does not include standing guard over you tub of water with an AK47. I dunno, different culture maybe?
http://getthru.govt.nz/how-to-get-ready
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I think I'll invent the steam powered smart phone. That'll show them EMP types.
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I think I'll invent the steam powered smart phone. That'll show them EMP types.
:laugh: With the proper steam-punk styling of course.
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It is obviously a slow night on the forum.
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Well I am prepared!
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Things never happen like we think they will.
The cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki actually experience nuclear "events". Not a leaky nuclear reactor, not a toxic radioactive spill, but were blasted and burned to the ground by a direct nuclear strike.
Seventy years later, both of those cities are bustling, prosperous, shining cities with burgeoning populations and a huge amount of commercial trade.
And the city where the US mechanized industry that built the US war machine was centered is a destroyed hellhole that LOOKS like it was hit by a nuclear bomb sometime in the past and never fixed ...
So you never know.
Lannis
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You all seem to have missed the point If someone does drop a Little Bucket of Sunshine on the US we would come and help you back on the path to civilisation you are presently struggeling along.
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Well I am prepared!
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Those are cool...until you have to plug it in to get the boiler working...and it makes enough light to read from (maybe)
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I just finished reading "One Second After" a book that chronicles what it would be like after a EMP attack kills all of our modern high tech electronic devices. It got me thinking, "I'm glad I have the mighty 850" (Guzzi content). While I'm not a full blown "prepper", but.... Anyway there any number of things that could disrupt the comfortable life as we have come to know it, whether long term or short. It has always amazed me what panic the forecast of a little snow causes here in the south.
So this could be a good topic or gone by the fifth reply. But have you given the topic any thought and if so what plans and or actions have taken.
Despite the Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds, I don't think your bike is 100% out of the woods. It MIGHT be due to the simplistic nature, but it still has electrical equipment that can fry/short/etc if exposed to a strong enough pulse.
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Things never happen like we think they will.
The cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki actually experience nuclear "events". Not a leaky nuclear reactor, not a toxic radioactive spill, but were blasted and burned to the ground by a direct nuclear strike.
Seventy years later, both of those cities are bustling, prosperous, shining cities with burgeoning populations and a huge amount of commercial trade.
And the city where the US mechanized industry that built the US war machine was centered is a destroyed hellhole that LOOKS like it was hit by a nuclear bomb sometime in the past and never fixed ...
So you never know.
Lannis
No "Marshall Plan", Asian Aid nor the funding turning Japan into a NATO aircraft carrier supporting the Korean war for the American war machine... More's the pity.
Todd.
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Don't know how realistic an EMP is/is not, but here in the Northeast we've lost power for 5 - 9 days several times in the past 5 or so years... Hurricane Sandy, the October snowstorm and one other that doesn't come to mind.
As they say about the new "Fear the Walking Dead" series, "when civilization ends, it ends fast", seems to be the case. After Sandy, there was a gas station about 5 miles from me that was the only one in the area with power, and man it got ugly there quickly. I stopped down one evening and the station was packed, lines for hundreds of yards down the road in each direction, and people were getting VERY angry with each other, to the point of near physical confrontation. I knew it was a 24 hour station, so I said screw it, drove home, set my phone alarm to 3am and came back about 3:30 the next morning and the place was deserted so I filled up... :-) Apparently people still like to sleep in regardless the emergency!
Anyway, one thing you can be sure of, if we ever do get some type of extended issue with the power grid, look for it to get bad quickly. I'm no prepper, but I understand why people feel the need to be prepared, and very few are....
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I have no idea whether One Second After is a realistic depiction of what would happen following a deliberate EMP attack, but I nonetheless enjoyed it when I read it a few years ago. As a guide to surviving an electronic apocalypse, I'd take it with a grain of salt. But as entertainment, its excellent.
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I have no idea whether One Second After is a realistic depiction of what would happen following a deliberate EMP attack, but I nonetheless enjoyed it when I read it a few years ago. As a guide to surviving an electronic apocalypse, I'd take it with a grain of salt. But as entertainment, its excellent.
Like Repo Man , fun to watch , not very realistic :laugh:
Dusty
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EMP drills?
Guess the kids won't be clambering under their desks or "duck & covering"... Sure hope the electro-magnetic locks don't trap 'em in the schools though. :boozing:
Has anyone else heard the recent PSAs with family members including children absolutely freaking out over a general cell service failure? It was so over the top and breathlessly presented that I thought it was a radio skit... but it weren't.
It's clearly some folks greatest societal fear. Sad, that!
"What would you DO!?!" The family members are desperately imploring the father to make it all better.... Shameful.
Todd.
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EMP drills?
Has anyone else heard the recent PSAs with family members including children absolutely freaking out over a general cell service failure? It was so over the top and breathlessly presented that I thought it was a radio skit... but it weren't.
It's clearly some folks greatest societal fear. Sad, that!
"What would you DO!?!" The family members are desperately imploring the father to make it all better.... Shameful.
Todd.
Some people are just turning into little technological poodles. My family wouldn't even notice if all the cell service in the country shut off and stayed off. I think it would be a benefit, overall .....
Lannis
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You all seem to have missed the point If someone does drop a Little Bucket of Sunshine on the US we would come and help you back on the path to civilisation you are presently struggeling along.
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If my smart phone went 'poof'? Happy, happy, joy, joy. I'd miss Solitaire though. :laugh: