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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: pyoungbl on August 27, 2015, 10:45:03 PM
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The Swampscooters rally has been cancelled. I'm bummed. Leafman60 and I just talked and made a few observations. It seems that rallies have become the domain of boomers who have retired and now have time on their hands. OK, not just boomers...but mostly so. At the same time the groups that put on rallies have gotten smaller/older. Then there is the fact that in any organization you find a small number of people doing most of the work. Combine all these factors and you get a small number of senior citizens attempting to put on an event and it gets harder every year unless you get new blood into the group. Then, if your attendance figures do not match what is needed to break even these events become a huge drain on the group, in addition to being a lot of work.
I'm planning to go to the Ohio rally in a week or so. I went last year and had a great time. Of course it rained like pure hell for the ride home but that made it 'an adventure'. The next weekend is Rolling Thunder (Norton event in West Virginia). The weekend after is Twin Valley Riders at Meadows of Dan, Virginia. In between those last two I want to ride the entire Blue Ridge Parkway. Think about it; three weekends, three rallies, lots of motorcycle conversation with old and new friends and a bunch of good riding thrown in. There will be some camping, a few motels, and a chance to really smell the countryside.
OK, the crux of this rant...If you did not ride to a rally this year you missed a lot of fun. Try to correct that in the fall or next year. Join in the community of riders who actually get away from home base for a weekend or so. Mingle and find new friends. Explore new parts of the country. Support those folks who are putting on a rally, buy a T shirt. Come home and brag to your friends about what a great time you had. These are the memories you will carry forever. Oh, and encourage your younger friends to come too. We really need them to carry on the rally tradition. You'll find me by the campfire with my Kermit chair...look for Peter Y.
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i always have a good time at a guzzi rally wish I had time to do more!
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I'm at one now, and made it to one other this year. Will try to make a third next year!
Cheers,
Shaun
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When I decided to get back into motorcycling a few years back I almost bought a Honda. Then a friend of mine suggested a Guzzi, saying that the're great bikes and besides they have these great campouts. I attended my first Guzzi Riders in Texas (GRIT ) Rally the same year. Since then, I make it a point to attend several rallys every year and always have a great time.
With the introduction of the V7 series we've had influx of younger riders, we just have to find a way to introduce them to the rally experience.
I may have to travel further afield, but I'll make several rallys a year.
I'll see ya'll in Lindale or Talihena or Homer or Luckenbach
To those considering their first rally, start close to home, and don't forget the baby wipes.
Dave
Galveston
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I usually make around 5 rallies/campouts a year. Pesky job still gets in the way of more. We held our first NJ campout this Spring, hoping to get riders out for a weekend. I figured first-timers wouldn't be too far outside their comfort zone. The handful of us that go to rallies have been doing our best to sell it to others as well. Actually got a couple guys to attend the National as their first rally. However, it's the same bunch time after time. It's as if you're asking some to board a rocket ship to mars. For me, going to rallies completes the experience of Guzzi ownership - meeting the great people that ride them.
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It seems that rallies have become the domain of boomers who have retired and now have time on their hands.
There's your problem.
Those who aren't yet retired have much less time on their hands, and are also a lot more likely to be raising families, which also creates additional time constraints.
I'd LOVE to go to a few rallies a year, but, having a wife with an inflexible work schedule (nurse, works a lot of weekends) and raising a kid makes it hard. If it wasn't for the kid, and the wife being at work on a lot of weekends, I'd be a little more likely to make it to some.
Add to this taking care of elderly parents and that makes it even harder to get away.
I'm sure many other have similar situations.
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I went to the Guzzi national in NH the other month as my first rally. I was really glad to have met Lannis and Chuck in Ind.
...however... It seemed to me that it was a number of cliques that hung out with themselves. No one ever looked up, said hello, or invited me into their group.
The organizer, Steve Teft (sp) from CT and his extremely attractive wife seemed to be very nice people and did a lot of work to pull things together. However, the food was (by necessity I guess) like in a mess hall. I'm not a foodie- I'm just saying that I can't call the fare a highlight.
I'm not a group ride kind of guy If I was though, it wouldn't much matter, because there was no attempt by people to reach out and ask me to ride with them.
So, to get back to the original point, why would I ever want to go to another rally? People have their long term friends, and the rallies are a way to reconnect. I think that's great. Good on ya. However, you can't exactly bemoan the state of things if you don't look at rallies as a way to meet new people and bring people into the club. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crying myself to sleep. I'm just saying that you all should consider that the burden is on you to notice outsiders and welcome them into your circle.
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I've made many life-long friends at rallies. Just introduce yourself, you'll be surprised how guys open up. As far as the food, what do you expect for a fee of $50 that includes camping and a few meals and organizers feeding a couple hundred people? Surf and Turf?
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There's your problem.
Those who aren't yet retired have much less time on their hands, and are also a lot more likely to be raising families, which also creates additional time constraints.
I'd LOVE to go to a few rallies a year, but, having a wife with an inflexible work schedule (nurse, works a lot of weekends) and raising a kid makes it hard. If it wasn't for the kid, and the wife being at work on a lot of weekends, I'd be a little more likely to make it to some.
Add to this taking care of elderly parents and that makes it even harder to get away.
I'm sure many other have similar situations.
Jas made my point. I bought/sold and moved into house this summer, and with 4 kids, wife, job, etc, I haven't been able to go to the great rallies in my area. last summer I went to some rallies, but not this summer (yet). I wish it were different.
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A couple of comments:
1. Jonathan: Isn't making friends a two way street?
2. I've been retired 2 years now. If you think retirement means finding ways to fill your calendar, you are in for a surprise. One still has a lot of time consuming responsibilities, albeit of a different nature.
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A couple of comments:
1. Jonathan: Isn't making friends a two way street?
2. I've been retired 2 years now. If you think retirement means finding ways to fill your calendar, you are in for a surprise. One still has a lot of time consuming responsibilities, albeit of a different nature.
I've made many life-long friends at rallies. Just introduce yourself, you'll be surprised how guys open up. As far as the food, what do you expect for a fee of $50 that includes camping and a few meals and organizers feeding a couple hundred people? Surf and Turf?
Yes, a two-way street, but, IMO, should not the initial "burden," if you will, of reaching out be as boatdick -- sorry, irresistible impulse :evil: :grin:) -- on the oldtimers, not the newbies? That's always been a problem for newbies in any gathering whatever the nature, thus I see the greeting as an obligation of the old hands making an effort to say howdy to anyone they don't recognize.
And as some of the younger responders note, too, "real life" for those who are ... erm ... "Retirement-Challenged" :wink: a warstopper. It's a wonder to me that those here and elsewhere who have full-time employment, wives, kids, and the other challenges that come with those can even find time for riding at all, much less spend weekends plus travel time to rallies.
Yes, my retired life is busy, too, but with one notable exception :thewife: :wink:, I am in charge of it.
FWIW, while not especially a rallyite myself, I do attend some -- including the national in June, the Ohio is in my sights soon, and, gasp, a non-MGNOC Guzzi gathering or two, e.g., the South'n Spine Raid on "World Guzzi Day." Even tho not a regular, I'll try to practice my sermon and say howdy to all. :boozing:
Best,
Bill
Edited because ... I can't help it. :rolleyes:
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Since Swamp Scooters is out so I just registered for Harvest Classic Luckenbach, Texas Oct 23, 24. Anyone else in?
Boat, sorry you were disapointed. Maybe a smaller rally might suit you better. Every group has cliques, but I agree that someone should handle meet and greet duties. Always one of my favorite volunteer duties and a great way to meet new folks. Suits me well because I'm just naturally friendly, I'm from Texas you know. Introduce yourself to the camp cook, help in the serving line, everyone passes by there. If all else fails grab a six pack, introduce yourself to a likely group and ask them if they know a good source of 10-60W oil. You'll find that you'll have a lot more in common than your love of Guzzis.
Jas,
Make it a family affair. Many rallys are held in areas that provide ample opportunity for family fun. Kids are welcome at many rallys. Many of us are Dads and Granddads. Pack up the minivan :azn: get a campsite and join the fun or just stop in for the day. I know that that is probably easier said than done, but I believe worth the effort.
See ya at a rally soon.
Dave
Galveston
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The Minnesota Rally served Lake Herring that was caught the same morning!
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FWIW, Sara and I had our grandchildren for 7 weeks this summer (ages 12, 10, 8, and 3) so I can understand the family commitment comments. We all have them, just in differing levels. Nevertheless, we all went to the Norton national rally near Asheville. We camped in tents. The children had a wonderful time. For them it was all about the camping experience and doing the dumb stuff that makes camping so much fun. I got to get my motorcycle rally fix even though we were traveling by Honda Van. The kids quickly got to know my motorcycle friends. We all met new people. Of the 350+ people at the Asheville event I probably knew 10. My point is that you can make the event one for the whole family and form new friendships...it's all up to you.
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Peter Y.
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Jonathan -
Even though I go to about 6 rallies in a normal year (three Guzzi and three BritBike), I know just what you mean about "breaking into the circle".
I was probably a bit lucky on my very first Guzzi rally (the 2000 National in Buena Vista) because I showed up on my only bike (a red BSA Firebird Scrambler) and that was sort of an ice-breaker, I had folks coming up to me and offering me their Guzzis to ride, plus I just so happened to already know a couple folks there from non-Guzzi places (Roger Davis and Jack Arnold) and they introduced me to others and it went from there.
And even though it's true that "friendship is a two-way street", sometimes it can seem a little hard to elbow out a place around the fire among a group of people who have obviously been rallying together forever and know each other's game to a nicety. There's groups of people still that I see at EVERY Guzzi rally, and it doesn't seem that I've been able to be "part of the group" - whereas there are others where that's not an issue at all, and we're immediately happy to see each other as soon as we show up.
However that may be, I find that the Guzzi rallies are FAR better in that respect than BMW, Norton, HD, or other "brand" rallies - it's why I ride Guzzis in the first place.
I say hang in there and try again! As far as food goes, that's a personal thing like a motorcycle seat, but at a rally, outdoors, with an unknown number of people to show up, and every one has different tastes - the food is going to be something that can be served out of one pot, or something that a caterer can serve from a steam table, and dat's the name of DAT tune ... really can't be changed. If the food's good, that's an extra!
Off to the Maryland rally in a few weeks .... !
Lannis
P.S. I actually went to MORE rallies when I was working than I'm doing now! Retirement is not for the lazy or timid .....
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I *always* have a good time at a Guzzi rally. :thumb: I've met people from literally all over the world, especially at a Nationals. When Leafman posted pix of the Malibu nationals, I was surprised to see I knew at least one person in every picture.. and remember.. I forget faces, so Guzzi people must be special. :smiley:
It's always interesting to meet people from WG. Jonathan, I'm glad you came up and made yourself known. Do it again.. I'll eventually remember your face, too.
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Rally's like any sort of social event require effort...a good kind of effort but nonetheless some effort to engage. You have to put yourself out there...what's the worst that can happen...someone might actually say Hey...join us for a beer, where are you from, what kind of bike do you ride...here's a modification I made...how do you like it?
It's supposed to be a fun event. If there are some folks who by coincidence ride a Guzzi but are not social, well, you might not hang out with them anyway. Some folks are fun to shoot the shit around the fire, some are fun to ride with, some are great to learn from or share experiences, it's wonderful when all of those combine into 1 person and you generate a nice connection.
I attended my first GRIT rally 2 years ago - and it was great easy going fun...people were welcoming, accommodating, social and very enjoyable. Food was GREAT by the way. We have a great group of local Houston Guzzi riders, sometimes we make it all together for our Sunday rides, sometimes only a few can make it due to conflicts, sometimes I ride alone. Some are more adventurous, some want to stick closer to home...no biggie.
On my list for this year: GRIT, Oklahoma and Luckenbach Harvest! Can't wait!!!
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The Minnesota Rally served Lake Herring that was caught the same morning!
(https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Guzzi/i-sxXp3pp/0/M/IMG_0944-M.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Guzzi/i-sxXp3pp/A)
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Now I am hungry!
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Question from a guy who likes to ride alone, likes to camp and has never been to a rally but been on a Guzzi since 2008. I'm game to check one out though.
Is the best place to find out about them here on the board? The MGNOC?
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I've never been a rally guy and haven't ever looked into them, just read the reports. It would take a good combination of work timing, kid timing and life timing but I'd give it a go if possible. I'm a generally friendly guy and I'd likely bring my GF along so if no one talks to me, i'd still be ok :laugh:
(Edit...just noticed half the stickies are rallies.)
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When my kids were little we'd attend the Va. Rally in Buena Vista if my Carrier wasn't at sea. Kids are great help in heaving tarps into place on shelters as you assemble them! Put them to work and they sleep better at night too. I got away from the Rallies for a while because the crowd was changing. Less of the old guys and do it yourselfers and more of the old frat boys going through divorces who like liquor and "seegars". So I started going to Ural Rallies and helped put them on as they were more family and kid and pet and grandchildren oriented affairs. Although I sold off my Ural stuff this Spring, I still go to Ural Rallies as the folks have become some of my closest friends over the years. I still do a few Guzzi Rallies every year because it's good to see old friends. I'm really looking forwards to the MD/DC Rally at Little Orleans Campground at the end of Sept!
In a few years I plan to kidnap my grand daughter to take her to bike and sidecar Rallies. I'm getting another Ural sidecar in Oct. to attach to my Cali III so I can give her the same rides my kids got when they were little!
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Question from a guy who likes to ride alone, likes to camp and has never been to a rally but been on a Guzzi since 2008. I'm game to check one out though.
Is the best place to find out about them here on the board? The MGNOC?
We sticky the ones people post threads about. So, yes, you can know about lunch/dinner rides, campouts, and rallies here. And not just MGNOC sanctioned events, but any Guzzi event that people want to post up.
MGNOC's website is a good resource for knowing about their sanctioned events. http://www.mgnoc.com/club_meetings_and_rides.html
I see you're in Arizona. There is a very good NAR (not-a-rally) held there that you should check out. Here is the link to this year's event, which was held in May: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=75667.0;nowap
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And as some of the younger responders note, too, "real life" for those who are ... erm ... "Retirement-Challenged" :wink: a warstopper. It's a wonder to me that those here and elsewhere who have full-time employment, wives, kids, and the other challenges that come with those can even find time for riding at all, much less spend weekends plus travel time to rallies.
Some weeks, the only riding that I get is commuting to work, but, I am thankful for that, and that I'm healthy enough to be able to do so.
Jas,
Make it a family affair. Many rallys are held in areas that provide ample opportunity for family fun. Kids are welcome at many rallys. Many of us are Dads and Granddads. Pack up the minivan :azn: get a campsite and join the fun or just stop in for the day. I know that that is probably easier said than done, but I believe worth the effort.
Easier said that done. I guess for me, the whole point of a rally is a destination to ride to. :bike-037:
My wife :thewife: and daughter have zero interest in motorcycles, that includes listening to a bunch of men talking about motorcycles.
I did make it to the hot-as-hell national at Buena Visata in 2012, and enjoyed it. I'd like to make another. I was this close to being able to make it to the Vermont one this past year. Maybe next year, who knows.
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My wife :thewife: and daughter have zero interest in motorcycles, that includes listening to a bunch of men talking about motorcycles.
Your "zero" setting is different from mine, if your wife owns a 250 Vespa ....
The part about listening to a bunch of men talk about motorcycles, however, is pretty much universal ...
Lannis
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Unfortunately rallies and camp outs can resemble real life .
Dusty
I'm not sure I'd use the word "unfortunately" in that context, though. :wink: Maybe just a difference in outlook.
I've seen some very unsociable guys at rallies. At several of our BSA rallies, we'd have a guy ride in on a late model Yamaha and set up camp in a far corner of the campground. He'd spend most of his time sitting either working on his bike, stoking his campfire, making and eating sandwiches, or just sitting.
I'd stop by to talk, but it was pretty obvious that he didn't want to talk and was uncomfortable with it. He'd almost never circulate around the rally or stop by any of the field events or anything. On Sunday, he'd break camp, pack up, and ride away without saying anything to anyone.
Nothing wrong with that. Maybe he just likes to be where other people are, but doesn't want to interact. You can do that at a rally too!
Lannis
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FWIW, you almost have to be a gear head to appreciate a Guzzi. Some (certainly not all) gear heads are perfectly happy tinkering with their machines, but are not socially adept at all. One of the brightest young engineers I know will barely talk to you. He's just uncomfortable doing that. He'll talk a couple of minutes, and say, "that's all I have." and walk off. Doesn't keep me from really liking him and appreciating his ability. He, for instance, would never consider going to a rally.. unless there was going to be a machine there that he wanted to look at. :smiley:
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We sticky the ones people post threads about. So, yes, you can know about lunch/dinner rides, campouts, and rallies here. And not just MGNOC sanctioned events, but any Guzzi event that people want to post up.
MGNOC's website is a good resource for knowing about their sanctioned events. http://www.mgnoc.com/club_meetings_and_rides.html
I see you're in Arizona. There is a very good NAR (not-a-rally) held there that you should check out. Here is the link to this year's event, which was held in May: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=75667.0;nowap
Thanks rocker :thumb:
I'm actually 6 years into my transplant from AZ to socal, but I started my account when I was still living in AZ. An AZ rally is not out of the question though as I have family there as well. Lots of Guzzis out here in CA though so I'll probably see what's up locally.
I do appreciate the tips though and I'll start watching the schedules and pick an event.
I kind of shut up and learn things round here. I'm 45 and I feel like most here have been on these bikes for many, many years. Still, if you guys want some not so young younger blood at a rally I'll stop in. The LM III is mid lump transplant at the moment but I'll be on the road soon.
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Rally's can be fun, always nice to match faces to names.
But there are a couple of rally's that I won't mention by name but I don't really need to go back to them and it has nothing to do with the people. If the ride to the rally is long and boring and the roads around the rally are boring then I'm really not that interested in attending the event unless there is some spectacular reason for the location as in food,etc.
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Still, if you guys want some not so young younger blood at a rally I'll stop in.
Everyone is always welcome! Just Go!
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That new, young blood, really does need to be welcomed. I have attended BMW rally s with friends and had a great time, and attended some alone and felt an outcast.
While most of that is my problem, I think we all can make a point of asking lone riders to join us around a campfire, ask them a few questions and get them to feel comfortable. Not every one is a social animal. But most that come to a rally do want to get involved in the social scene.
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You're right Lannis , nothing wrong with that . The Yamaha guy got what he needed , but maybe someone should have at least gone over and thanked him for attending , made him feel welcome .....
Dusty
That would have been me. But some people just don't like to interact, it seems ....
All you can do is try!
Lannis
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Rally's can be fun, always nice to match faces to names.
But there are a couple of rally's that I won't mention by name but I don't really need to go back to them and it has nothing to do with the people. If the ride to the rally is long and boring and the roads around the rally are boring then I'm really not that interested in attending the event unless there is some spectacular reason for the location as in food,etc.
Which ones would these be...just out of curiosity? :)
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I try to get around and say Hi to everyone at the rally's that I attend. Then I usually get with the guys I have camped with before and hangout there.
I've been a loner most of my life because I traveled a bunch in work. I have met more friends since I bought my first Moto Guzzi.
Dean
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I went to the Guzzi national in NH the other month as my first rally. I was really glad to have met Lannis and Chuck in Ind.
...however... It seemed to me that it was a number of cliques that hung out with themselves. No one ever looked up, said hello, or invited me into their group.
The organizer, Steve Teft (sp) from CT and his extremely attractive wife seemed to be very nice people and did a lot of work to pull things together. However, the food was (by necessity I guess) like in a mess hall. I'm not a foodie- I'm just saying that I can't call the fare a highlight.
I'm not a group ride kind of guy If I was though, it wouldn't much matter, because there was no attempt by people to reach out and ask me to ride with them.
So, to get back to the original point, why would I ever want to go to another rally? People have their long term friends, and the rallies are a way to reconnect. I think that's great. Good on ya. However, you can't exactly bemoan the state of things if you don't look at rallies as a way to meet new people and bring people into the club. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crying myself to sleep. I'm just saying that you all should consider that the burden is on you to notice outsiders and welcome them into your circle.
I have seen the same types of 'clique' at many organizations. If you want someone to hold your hand, you still gotta reach out.
I am not shy. And as a result I have made friends, acquaintances and have a few who dread seeing me.
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When my kids were little we'd attend the Va. Rally in Buena Vista if my Carrier wasn't at sea. Kids are great help in heaving tarps into place on shelters as you assemble them! Put them to work and they sleep better at night too. I got away from the Rallies for a while because the crowd was changing. Less of the old guys and do it yourselfers and more of the old frat boys going through divorces who like liquor and "seegars". So I started going to Ural Rallies and helped put them on as they were more family and kid and pet and grandchildren oriented affairs. Although I sold off my Ural stuff this Spring, I still go to Ural Rallies as the folks have become some of my closest friends over the years. I still do a few Guzzi Rallies every year because it's good to see old friends. I'm really looking forwards to the MD/DC Rally at Little Orleans Campground at the end of Sept!
In a few years I plan to kidnap my grand daughter to take her to bike and sidecar Rallies. I'm getting another Ural sidecar in Oct. to attach to my Cali III so I can give her the same rides my kids got when they were little!
I'm in the liquor and ceegars crowd there buddy. Not divorced tho. Not everyone is into the family/kid thing. I'm the guy that used to bring a box of cigars to the rally and leave them out on a table.
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Which ones would these be...just out of curiosity? :)
Well, we can do some guessing.
Georgia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, Western PA, Western MD, Western NY, Ohio, Maine, Vermont, NH ... can't be those because some of the best riding in the country is between most people's homes and the rally.
John Day (OR), NorCal, Colorado, can't be those .....
So I'm afraid we're migrating to the MidWest ....
Lannis
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Well, we can do some guessing.
So I'm afraid we're migrating to the MidWest ....
Lannis
Not Iowa...been there three times and the food was outstanding! Oh, and the parade through town was a real hoot.
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Haven't read all the responses...but I can tell you time is a huge crunch while still working full time. October 5 that all changes for me.
I have not decided on the October rally....as I have not had serious time to think for weeks. Today we set up most of the final investment portfolio strategy with a visit by 3 of our consultants. The Alzheimer's clinic is open for another week. All my camping gear is stored out of the house due to our upstairs repair. First we have to get the house re-carpeted, then the boxes come back, then I have to help sort through them, then we go to Hawaii ten days, then come back, then I pull the plug.
Time will not really open. I need preparation time.
Be patient with those in transition.
One other thing, and this is a soft issue: not all of us are extraverts. I am pretty introverted, and meeting people and socializing is a drain for me. Some may understand, some may not. Normally I do fine one on one but big groups of strangers, even those I know on the inter web, can be a challenge for me. Anyway, keep in mind some of us are socially slow and awkward at times.
I hope I can come to OK, but if I don't there will be later rallys. The swamp thing in Lafayette was much more doable, I am bummed it cancelled.
Making progress here, but big life transitions take time and focus, and keeping Ms. LD happy is priority.
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Normally I do fine one on one but big groups of strangers, even those I know on the inter web, can be a challenge for me. Anyway, keep in mind some of us are socially slow and awkward at times.
Keep in mind that there will almost NEVER be a "big group" of people, strangers or otherwise, at a Guzzi rally, not even a National with 350 people. The rally will be made up of a lot of SMALL groups of people and individuals; people sitting around in front of their tents, people sitting at a picnic table with a Pepsi and a bag of chips, people standing around admiring motorcycles.
I'm never a "big group" person. Venues like Sturgis, Daytona, Laconia, Honda Hoot, etc are comparable to the Seven Circles of Hell to me and I have absolutely no intention or desire to go to such.
But at the NH National in June, for example, there were so MANY small separate groups of people, all with interesting people to reconnect with or meet, that I didn't even make it around to half of them, and there were people I'd have liked to have seen that I didn't see 'cause I was either chatting, riding, or eating with someone else ....
Lannis
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Since Swamp Scooters is out so I just registered for Harvest Classic Luckenbach, Texas Oct 23, 24. Anyone else in?
Boat, sorry you were disapointed. Maybe a smaller rally might suit you better. Every group has cliques, but I agree that someone should handle meet and greet duties. Always one of my favorite volunteer duties and a great way to meet new folks. Suits me well because I'm just naturally friendly, I'm from Texas you know. Introduce yourself to the camp cook, help in the serving line, everyone passes by there. If all else fails grab a six pack, introduce yourself to a likely group and ask them if they know a good source of 10-60W oil. You'll find that you'll have a lot more in common than your love of Guzzis.
Jas,
Make it a family affair. Many rallys are held in areas that provide ample opportunity for family fun. Kids are welcome at many rallys. Many of us are Dads and Granddads. Pack up the minivan :azn: get a campsite and join the fun or just stop in for the day. I know that that is probably easier said than done, but I believe worth the effort.
See ya at a rally soon.
Dave
Galveston
the wife and I were thinking about hitting the N Padre, San Antonio and the Hill Country in the Toy Hauler in Oct. We might hang around long enough to make the Harvest.
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Question from a guy who likes to ride alone, likes to camp and has never been to a rally but been on a Guzzi since 2008. I'm game to check one out though.
Is the best place to find out about them here on the board? The MGNOC?
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I've never been a rally guy and haven't ever looked into them, just read the reports. It would take a good combination of work timing, kid timing and life timing but I'd give it a go if possible. I'm a generally friendly guy and I'd likely bring my GF along so if no one talks to me, i'd still be ok :laugh:
(Edit...just noticed half the stickies are rallies.)
Check here. MGNOC does only club sanctioned stuff. All Moto Guzzi Campouts and NARs are posted here (with the exception of the Spine Frame Raid).
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Unfortunately rallies and camp outs can resemble real life . Yes cliques do form , some of the old heads do tend to hang out in small groups , just human nature at work . The solution , roving ambassadors , in fact Davedel is pretty good at this job . When we started the Cedar Vale NAR , we made a conscious effort to make everyone feel included , and so far the effort has been a success . Provide a central gathering place , plan at least one communal meal , and get Rocker to show up and share his wealth of knowledge re history and the Beverly Hillbillies :laugh:
Hey Davedel , for a small percentage of the take , I will promote the idea that organizers provide you with "show up" money :grin:
Dusty
No payment necessary - well maybe an extra hush puppy at dinner :food:. I live to serve the Guzzi community. :evil: BTW your spider senses were correct. Brought home some specs and a black tip.
Dave
Galveston
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the wife and I were thinking about hitting the N Padre, San Antonio and the Hill Country in the Toy Hauler in Oct. We might hang around long enough to make the Harvest.
Make reservations soon KOA and Armadillo are the closest campgrounds for RVS. Rally site at Luckenbach is not set up for RVS
Dave
Galveston
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Check here. MGNOC does only club sanctioned stuff. All Moto Guzzi Campouts and NARs are posted here (with the exception of the Spine Frame Raid).
Yes, but that last -- SSR -- is "by invitation only," so best left unmentioned. :grin:
Bill
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Your "zero" setting is different from mine, if your wife owns a 250 Vespa ...
That's a sore subject too. She had to have it, but, hasn't even taken the time to take the permit test. So, while it is "hers", I paid for it, and am the only one that rides it. Oh, and she gets mad :thewife: when I mention wanting to sell it.
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That's a sore subject too. She had to have it, but, hasn't even taken the time to take the permit test. So, while it is "hers", I paid for it, and am the only one that rides it. Oh, and she gets mad :thewife: when I mention wanting to sell it.
Tough position to be in! Usually it's the other way around ... 'Her' bike is a Triumph Street Triple or MV Agusta 600, but she's never ridden it and doesn't have a permit and doesn't even know where it's parked, so the husband has the chore of keeping the battery charged and the tires warm .... !!
Lannis
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I have seen the same types of 'clique' at many organizations. If you want someone to hold your hand, you still gotta reach out.
I am not shy. And as a result I have made friends, acquaintances and have a few who dread seeing me.
Well, well, well - that's just the sort of warm, welcoming attitude I was talking about. FYI, I don't live under a rock. One part of my job is public speaking. I present at an international conference and so have to get up on stage and do the chicken dance in front of lots of strangers. Once again, the point of the original post was that people should go to rallies. My experience was that of a first timer who went to a national - went out of my way (read, brought beer) - and can't remember (other than Chuck or Lannis) a single person who asked me my name, where I was from, etc. after I tried to strike up some sort of a conversation.
This isn't like the JFK quote ("ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country"). If you want the rallies to grow, maybe, just maybe, you might consider really busting your hump-smiling- and drawing newcomers in and making them feel welcome.
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Some very reasonable thoughts Jonathan, and I see your point. It can be easy to get caught up in renewing friendships, especially when you have not seen someone in a few years and neglect the newcomers. However, your point is well taken and we [all] could no doubt put a little more effort into socializing with someone we do not know yet.
I'm hoping your experience did not completely turn you off to rallies, and I hope to run into you somewhere along the line.
You know, it would have been easier to locate you if you had been wearing your aluminum foil deflector beanie. :grin:
Seriously though. Point taken.
Cheers,
John henry
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Some very valid points have been voiced with the drift of this thread!
Basic courtesy and friendliness is something one would reasonably expect at a rally, especially from people organizing one! It doesn't always happen. Yes, in those situations, a rally degenerates into a small gathering of friends who turn inward to themselves. That's not really a rally.
I've experienced that myself, even with Guzzi people, and seen newcomers leave the place on the first morning to return home because of it!
Overall, such gatherings dwindle and never attract many people in the long run. Forget them and go elsewhere.
On the other hand, I have attended many rally events that were deemed to be held by snobbish brands and groups and discovered the most friendly and open people in the world. It's all the vagaries of life. Keep an open mind. Be slow to condemn and keep an open mind yourself. Extend your own hand first and many times it will be warmly received.
I've made many long-term friends at rally events and I hope to continue to do the same.
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My first rally was the National in Iowa in 2012(?). I knew no one that was there. Food was good, riding, for Iowa, was great I met Crusty, Noki, Texas Turnip, and Chuck in Indiana at that rally. I also had a tipple or two and ceegars. It was great!! Since I'm just a dumb ole truck driver, I don't have a lot of freetime, and miss almost every rally I want to hit every year. My plan this year? Cedar Vale, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Colorado NAR or the National. Time and money allowed: Cedar Vale, Mo-Kan. So if you hit just one rally a year, at least you hit one. If you want to be welcomed in, hit a small NAR. At a larger rally, they probably don't know you are new, so they don't take extra steps to engage you. At CV, you will get invited to join us, and maybe even Shanghaied into having fun!! One of the first things I ask upon meeting someone new at a rally is if they are on WG. If they are they you already have a connection, and probably already "Know" each other. If not, I tell them about WG and invite them to check it out. It takes effort on the part of everyone to make rallies grow. Invite strangers, and if you are a stranger, introduce yourself and remain a stranger no longer.
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When my kids were little we'd attend the Va. Rally in Buena Vista if my Carrier wasn't at sea. Kids are great help in heaving tarps into place on shelters as you assemble them! Put them to work and they sleep better at night too. I got away from the Rallies for a while because the crowd was changing. Less of the old guys and do it yourselfers and more of the old frat boys going through divorces who like liquor and "seegars". So I started going to Ural Rallies and helped put them on as they were more family and kid and pet and grandchildren oriented affairs. Although I sold off my Ural stuff this Spring, I still go to Ural Rallies as the folks have become some of my closest friends over the years. I still do a few Guzzi Rallies every year because it's good to see old friends. I'm really looking forwards to the MD/DC Rally at Little Orleans Campground at the end of Sept!
In a few years I plan to kidnap my grand daughter to take her to bike and sidecar Rallies. I'm getting another Ural sidecar in Oct. to attach to my Cali III so I can give her the same rides my kids got when they were little!
Maybe we need more Riches at rallies!
At the first Guzzi rally I showed up at (referred to above, the 2000 National), I was riding up the access road toward the rally when I got an escort - a guy with a Guzzi sidecar started riding in circles around me, with the sidecar in the air, exclaiming "Hey Guys, look at the neat BSA coming in!".
I knew I was in the right place! Rich, I don't have a sidecar but I always enjoy seeing you at a Guzzi rally .....
Lannis
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If you think it's hard to infiltrate a Guzzi rally "clique", try sneaking into the exclusive "Stelvio" fraternity. :bike-037: It ain't easy.... :evil: :popcorn:
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But seriously, at the urging of my NJ buddy Harry Costello, I attended my first rally in 2006 in Pennsylvania with my son. To this day I'm thankful to Harry for introducing me to the Guzzi family and to the rally side of it.
Yes, go to a rally, introduce yourself and take it from there......you won't regret it. :thumb:
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Rallies= Best cheap (sorta) legal fun you can have!
I make a rally about every other weekend, would do one every weekend if they were within a days ride. Got into rallies when I was unemployed, cheap fun... Now that I'm permanently unemployed (retired), there's no stopping me!
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Rallies= Best cheap (sorta) legal fun you can have!
I make a rally about every other weekend, would do one every weekend if they were within a days ride. Got into rallies when I was unemployed, cheap fun... Now that I'm permanently unemployed (retired), there's no stopping me!
Yep. Me, too. Just on this page I've met most of you at rallies. Like I've said before, I consider Guzzi guys and girls my extended and gloriously dysfunctional family.. :smiley: :boozing:
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Some good thoughts here. I go to as many as I can get away with, 3-4 in a good year, so far just the mid west, but I'll say, bang for the buck it's almost impossible to beat Il and for sure WI!
But, I am going to make it a priority to reach out to.newcomers. Rallies can get a little cliquey, so I feel us old trimmers need to do are best to welcome new friends.
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Some good thoughts here. I go to as many as I can get away with, 3-4 in a good year, so far just the mid west, but I'll say, bang for the buck it's almost impossible to beat Il and for sure WI!
But, I am going to make it a priority to reach out to.newcomers. Rallies can get a little cliquey, so I feel us old trimmers need to do are best to welcome new friends.
I dunno. If I was a newby and saw a really big guy with a pink bandanna carrying a bottle of corn oil.. :shocked: :boozing:
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My first rally was the National in Iowa in 2012(?). I knew no one that was there. Food was good, riding, for Iowa, was great I met Crusty, Noki, Texas Turnip, and Chuck in Indiana at that rally. I also had a tipple or two and ceegars. It was great!! Since I'm just a dumb ole truck driver, I don't have a lot of freetime, and miss almost every rally I want to hit every year. My plan this year? Cedar Vale, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Colorado NAR or the National. Time and money allowed: Cedar Vale, Mo-Kan. So if you hit just one rally a year, at least you hit one. If you want to be welcomed in, hit a small NAR. At a larger rally, they probably don't know you are new, so they don't take extra steps to engage you. At CV, you will get invited to join us, and maybe even Shanghaied into having fun!! One of the first things I ask upon meeting someone new at a rally is if they are on WG. If they are they you already have a connection, and probably already "Know" each other. If not, I tell them about WG and invite them to check it out. It takes effort on the part of everyone to make rallies grow. Invite strangers, and if you are a stranger, introduce yourself and remain a stranger no longer.
You were drinkin' my 'shine @ that Iowa rally, I wonder why you don't remember meeting me?
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You were drinkin' my 'shine @ that Iowa rally, I wonder why you don't remember meeting me?
Dang! Did I forget meeting you, too? :cool: :boozing:
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You were drinkin' my 'shine @ that Iowa rally, I wonder why you don't remember meeting me?
I don't need shine to forget things. :sad: Moonshine is a funner way to do it though!!!! :boozing: :boozing:
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I don't need shine to forget things. :sad: Moonshine is a funner way to do it though!!!! :boozing: :boozing:
AKA "Mental Floss"
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Make reservations soon KOA and Armadillo are the closest campgrounds for RVS. Rally site at Luckenbach is not set up for RVS
Dave
Galveston
Dave, I have reservations for the Armadillo. Now what is the skinny for the Harvest. There's a big deal on online registration. Can you get a ticket at the gate? Probably not entering a bike (EV or Greenie doesn't seem too important in a big event like this).
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I'd bet you could buy day pass at gate. When I go I usually buy the weekend package. Includes pretty good BBQ dinner, camping at Luckenbach, various evening events like movie and tee shirt. I'm going to try a tent site at Armadillo this year as Luckenbach gets crowded and the Porta potties are hard pressed to keep up, no showers and limited real bathroom facilities.
Raffle bikes and other items are usually top notch. Bike Show is always interesting with varied bikes. Lots of live music both planned and impromptu. Good riding in surrounding area. Nearby Fredricksburg is worth a visit and Austin is just down the road.
Definitely enter the bike show if you like. All types of bikes and scooters in various states or repair and disrepair. Definitely not a concours event.
Dave
Galveston
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OK Dave. Look us up and have a cold one. I am thinking about bringing both Guzzis.
I plan on going to the Okla Rally, then to Port Aransas, San Antonio and Harvest. Perhaps 2 1/2 week round trip.
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I've been in and out of the Guzzi rally thing for the last 10 years. Did show up here and there the last few years, but just purchased a Norge 6 weeks ago and have just did my 2nd camp out. Wow, some old faces, many new ones, so good to be back in the Guzzi World! The Guzzi folks come from all walks of life, from doctors, lawyer's, mechanics and every works of life, yes, we have one thing in common, we are all gear heads! Enjoy!
Mike
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Just one question.
Moto "Gurzi"?
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So, I am planning to go on my first rally in October, the Tattley Rappet. Used to be called the Rattley Tappet but the original founder I gather kept the name. I am not a big group rider, in fact I am quite happy riding on my own. Steamdriven has told me time off has been canned at his work so he won't be going down to Invercargill where it is being held at the end of October. Invercargill (Inverdrizzle) is down the blunt end of the Soutj Island, John R country. Looking forward to it. I gather Cali on here is one of the organisers; bumped in to him when I was living in the sharp end of the south Island.
Will be interested to see how I like it. It is a dedicated Moto Guzzi event so the Breva should not feel too out of place.