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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Steph on August 30, 2015, 05:54:09 AM
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Just spent 3 weeks back home in Quebec, way too many Can-Am Spyder on the street -it's like Toyota Prius in London.
Must be catering for those with snowmobile withdrawal!
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It's the snow machine choice for the climate conscious Canadian. :thumb: :bike-037:
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Very very popular here.
-AJ
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National toy of Quebec - and you don't even have to dress like a gay pirate, unlike most of the bike riders.
Nick
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National toy of Quebec - and you don't even have to dress like a gay pirate, unlike most of the bike riders.
Nick
Big jacked-up 4WD pickups are the state toy of our region.
In southern PA, you see a lot of these side-by-side ATVs running around.
Neither of those are motorcycles either.
Lannis
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National toy of Quebec - and you don't even have to dress like a gay pirate, unlike most of the bike riders.
Nick
It was kind of funny seeing them at intersections, slowing down to a crawl with the old lady at the back leaning way over to the right to make the corner. Thought to myself, wow, how long did it take her to figure out how much to lean-in :evil:
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I don't know about you all but I find them rather frightening. What we actually have here is a generation of people without the skills to ride a motorcycle who go out and by this motorcycle shaped object thinking that it is safer or easier to ride. Then they jump in to traffic with no training and without learning the skills they need to ride the machine properly and expect everyone else on the road to watch out for them.
I do know that riding a trike is completely different from riding a motorcycle and that trikes can be even more risky to ride than motorcycles if ridden ineptly. I can see how a trike would be a blast to ride if the rider had the skills and training to ride it properly.
Granted i am completely ignorant about the machines, I have never ridden one and have no close friends who ride one. I don't even know if they require motorcycle endorsement on your operators license.
Any feedback from owners or people in the know would help educate me. Are these machines classified as a motorcycle or tricycle? Do the state and the insurance companies agree on their classification?
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From what I understand they are very stable and nothing like traditional trikes. But they're also not like motorcycles as you don't lean to turn them which is actually a problem in fast curves as there is nothing but your arm and leg strength to counteract the force which is trying to throw you off the machine to the outside of the curve. If anyone is leaning perhaps they're doing so to try and counteract that force.
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I know a guy who's been riding one for several years . Life long biker , mid seventies , has a couple of Ducs in the garage .
Don't remember what ailment prompted it , but he got to where he no longer wanted to put too much stress on his legs holding up a bike . So he rides the Spyder , and the Ducatis stay at home .
He told me there was considerable resentment from younger motorcycle riders toward his Spyder . I asked why . He felt that mostly people don't want to face the reality of aging ; don't want to see where they're headed ; same reason we don't like visiting old folk's homes or hospitals , graveyards or morgues .
I've got a sidecar under a tarp for when the time comes .
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He felt that mostly people don't want to face the reality of aging ; don't want to see where they're headed ; same reason we don't like visiting old folk's homes or hospitals , graveyards or morgues .
I've got a sidecar under a tarp for when the time comes .
I'm going to get a sidecar at some point - first to ride the dog in, then for my son to ride ME in ....
I see people denying the reality of aging all the time - it's been the bane of my existence trying to deal with the family members in the generation ahead of me. Don't want to admit that things are "slowing down", don't want to admit that they can't really take care of themselves, don't want to make any plans for the future except "I'm going to exist just like I am now, forever."
I visit nursing homes and assisted living homes all the time, even take my granddaughters to them, the old folks love toddlers. We decorate graves a couple times a year.
None of us are getting out of this alive; might as well face up to it like a man .....
But nothing wrong with discussing Can-Ams on here. We talk about watches, guns, SUVs, boats, all sorts of other non-motorcycle-related stuff - people have varied interests on WG ....
Lannis
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Saw two Slingshots yesterday at a Cracker Barrel, they got a lot of attention. Looked like a small space ship on wheels pulling out.
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Never been a fan of trikes. To me anything with more then two wheels is not a motorcycle, its a car. Sidecars I do count as the exception because you can take the sidecar off and you still have a motorcycle. I do understand that trikes are great for people with ailments and disabilities. But to call a trike a motorcycle is silly.
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When it gets to *that* point, I'll scrounge up a TriKing or something similar. (Guzzi content :laugh: )
If you check videos of (original) Morgans racing, vintage sidecar races in the UK from what I've seen, the passenger does play monkey a bit.
cr
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But to call a trike a motorcycle is silly.
Except when you T-bone the cage that pulls out in front of you. Then the trike rider flies over the handle bar just like the 2 wheeler. :popcorn:
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Never mind leaning on a trike. I see more and more cagers leaning when going around a corner! Not only do they lose perspective of where they are in their lane, but can't see down the raod properly either! :boozing:
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A trike is not a bike, but a motor trike is a motor cycle.
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Trikes are considered motorcycles by the states. Don't know of any that give them a separate vehicle status for title and registration. Of course, if you show up for your motorcycle riders test they could reject your vehicle. :rolleyes:.
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Motor cycle = motor driven cycle, not BIcycle like BI as in 2.
I think fed regulations are anything under 4 wheels is a motorcycle, and most (or all now) states share the definition.
Obviously it's different than a traditional two wheeler in many aspects, but it shares most of the open air experience, the risk, the need and/or state laws for gear.
To call them a car is therefore silly.
But no one is asking you to like them or not recognize the differences between them and most motorcycles.
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It must be a regional thing. I would estimate 10% of all motorcycles I see peer week are trikes. During the week that can be as high as quarter. I see maybe a dozen Can Am Spyders a week. Two or three slingshots.
-AJ
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Trikes are considered motorcycles by the states. Don't know of any that give them a separate vehicle status for title and registration. Of course, if you show up for your motorcycle riders test they could reject your vehicle. :rolleyes:.
Is there a state that classifies a 3 wheeler separate than a two wheeler? I googled MC tests in a 6 states real quick and all of them treated 3 wheelers as Motorcycles that take the same test as a 2 wheeler.
I'll answer my own question. Penn has a 2 wheel and a 3 wheel MC license. So you get a restriction "9" and all can drive is a 3 wheeler. If you have a stand MC license without a restriction you can ride both 2 and 3 wheeler. So there is at least one state that has separate licenses for 2 vs 3 wheeler.
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When the time comes I plan to switch to a convertible roadster. Might as well be honest about it. An SLK or even a Miata would attract me a lot more than a trike.
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Trikes are considered motorcycles by the states. Don't know of any that give them a separate vehicle status for title and registration. Of course, if you show up for your motorcycle riders test they could reject your vehicle. :rolleyes:.
Actually, the state by state differences are messy and annoying. To show how silly they can be, here in Nevada a Harley trike is NOT a motorcycle (two driven wheels in back, doncha know) while a CanAm Spyder (much better stability and handling, especially when cornering) is a motorcycle. Hunhhh? Even a Polaris Slingshot is a motorcycle in Nevada, what with its steering wheel and stickshift - because it has a single driven rear wheel.
I used to use snowmobiles a lot - they were our only transportation for six months every winter when I lived in a bush community in northern Manitoba. I raced them too, though not seriously. I'd take a Spyder over any other 3-wheeled vehicle, but its a snowmobile with wheels, not a motorcycle. After all, who is CanAm? Bombardier Recreational Vehicles, same people as SkiDoo - one of the originators of the snowmobile.
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National toy of Quebec - and you don't even have to dress like a gay pirate, unlike most of the bike riders.
Nick
I love it. I always say (in my head) that there are a lot of Pirates out today......
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I love it. I always say (in my head) that there are a lot of Pirates out today......
Pirates and spacemen, hmmm?
(Channeling Shawn Phillips...)
Joy is at the end of hoping, happiness is there some days,
Jesus told me I'm a spaceman, and I believe in every word he says!
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Is there a state that classifies a 3 wheeler separate than a two wheeler? I googled MC tests in a 6 states real quick and all of them treated 3 wheelers as Motorcycles that take the same test as a 2 wheeler.
I'll answer my own question. Penn has a 2 wheel and a 3 wheel MC license. So you get a restriction "9" and all can drive is a 3 wheeler. If you have a stand MC license without a restriction you can ride both 2 and 3 wheeler. So there is at least one state that has separate licenses for 2 vs 3 wheeler.
Several states require you obtain a motorcycle license to operate a Can-Am. Why, is beyond reason as the skills are not transferable. While you might wear a helmet and similar riding gear, they do not handle like trikes or motorcycles, they occupy space differently in that you stay in lane position not moving within the lane and so on.
In California you don't need a special license other than to drive a car but cross the border into Oregon and you need a motorcycle license.
To be covered, have a motorcycle license and you're good for just about all contingencies.
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We have a spider dealer here in town and a rally every summer. Most local "bikers" are still duped by the HD "lifestyle" bullshit.
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From what I understand they are very stable and nothing like traditional trikes.
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But they're also not like motorcycles as you don't lean to turn them which is actually a problem in fast curves as there is nothing but your arm and leg strength to counteract the force which is trying to throw you off the machine to the outside of the curve.
It's no different to a car. Do you have trouble when cornering in a car with "the force which is trying to throw you off the machine to the outside of the curve"?
I think not.
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It's no different to a car. Do you have trouble when cornering in a car with "the force which is trying to throw you off the machine to the outside of the curve"?
I think not.
Think again my friend.
The difference between it and a car is in ergonomics.
In a car you're IN a seat, with a seat belt, and bolsters. And the seat bolsters are larger/more aggressive on a performance car that is meant to corner harder.
The Can-Am has a traditional motorcycle seat. A perch on which you sit, with no additional belting or bracing to fight the cornering forces (which I already explained you don't have to fight to remain in the seat of a traditional motorcycle because of the lean).
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I don't know about you all but I find them rather frightening. What we actually have here is a generation of people without the skills to ride a motorcycle who go out and by this motorcycle shaped object thinking that it is safer or easier to ride. Then they jump in to traffic with no training and without learning the skills they need to ride the machine properly and expect everyone else on the road to watch out for them.
It's especially good fun watching them paddle with their feet as they take off, just like a Harley rider. ;-)
They're working on a fluorescent safety vest for Syder riders with two different messages: "Steer clear I'm slow" and "Keep clear, I wobble a lot."
It's no different to driving a car except that you don't have a roof or seat belts.
Tell me, what skills does a Spyder rider need in traffic which he doesn't have from driving a car?
I do know that riding a trike is completely different from riding a motorcycle and that trikes can be even more risky to ride than motorcycles if ridden ineptly. I can see how a trike would be a blast to ride if the rider had the skills and training to ride it properly.
Are you sure?
Granted i am completely ignorant about the machines, I have never ridden one and have no close friends who ride one. I don't even know if they require motorcycle endorsement on your operators license.
That happens. ;-)
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I know a guy ...He told me there was considerable resentment from younger motorcycle riders toward his Spyder ..
Never encountered any resentment from motorcyclists. Envy maybe... ;-)
My wife (who is in her early 50s) went on several social rides with motorcyclists on sport bikes, including on some twisty roads, and had no problems being accepted.
This was in and out of Phoenix AZ where motorcyclists seem to be extremely friendly
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Maybe I'm the only one here with Spyder experience? Having been on snowmobiles since I was 9 I've had a blast on Spyders.
They've come a LONG way since I rode the first road worthy prototypes many years ago. They really scoot and corner now and while you needn't lean with them it's a whole lot more fun to do so.
It's most definitely not a motorcycle but much easier to ride quickly than a hack, which I also have 1000's of miles on. Not nearly as cool, though IMO.
My friends dealership sells plenty to older riders who no longer feel comfortable holding up a bike or the wife is uncomfortable with HIM holding up the bike. Hey, it is what it is. There is a whole subset of much younger riders who mod the heck out of them-very similar to the Hayabusa custom crowd in attitude.
Would I own one? That wasn't the question, but no, not for me. My V7, Tiger 1050, and hopefully soon to be Norge push the right buttons. I will add that every time I'm stopped somewhere and Spyder riders show up (enough times to get a fair and representive sample I think) when asked the owners will be very positive in their comments.
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Never been a fan of trikes. I do understand that trikes are great for people with ailments and disabilities. But to call a trike a motorcycle is silly.
In reverse order: Trikes are not motorcycles but are classified that way because they also aren't cars. They have similar safety issues, hence a helmet is required for sensible folk.
I don't have ailments or disabilities and I love our Spyder. It's tricked out with suspension and perfomance mods. It corners so well that we can consistently and easily lift the inside front wheel when cornering at around-town speeds, which probably gives the same sort of thrill as popping a mono does on two wheels. Even my wife will do the same on my command with me on the back!
It's hard to explain but it is a real thrill, easily as exciting as motorcycling. I do both.
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Think again my friend.
The difference between it and a car is in ergonomics.
In a car you're IN a seat, with a seat belt, and bolsters. And the seat bolsters are larger/more aggressive on a performance car that is meant to corner harder.
The Can-Am has a traditional motorcycle seat. A perch on which you sit, with no additional belting or bracing to fight the cornering forces (which I already explained you don't have to fight to remain in the seat of a traditional motorcycle because of the lean).
Well, I guess you ride your Can Am much harder than we do.
WE ride ours hard enough to lift the inside front wheel under spirited cornering. Even my wife can do that with some encouragement from me on the back. Neither of us have ever felt like we were being "thrown off".
Perhaps, my friend, you are talking about something of which you have no personal experience?? :wink:
In really spirited riding where you don't want to lose time by lifting the front inside wheel you simply weight the front end and lean forward and inwards, just like you do on a bike, to keep it planted. :grin:
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Well, I guess you ride your Can Am much harder than we do.
WE ride ours hard enough to lift the inside front wheel under spirited cornering. Even my wife can do that with some encouragement from me on the back. Neither of us have ever felt like we were being "thrown off".
Perhaps, my friend, you are talking about something of which you have no personal experience?? :wink:
In really spirited riding where you don't want to lose time by lifting the front inside wheel you simply weight the front end and lean forward and inwards, just like you do on a bike, to keep it planted. :grin:
You are correct, in that I've not ridden one and am repeating what a trusted friend who has ridden then has told me. But yes, he's quite an aggressive rider so that might have something to do with it.
It's likely we're different only on the perceived significance of the forces we're discussing, no?
Related question...Do any of the current models incorporate any ability for the machine to tilt or have they made any changes to the front end?
To some extent the fact that you're sometimes lifting the inside wheel is a testament to the forces I'm describing no? And logic dictates that if you're not feeling them, then simply increasing speeds would do the trick.
I can understand why leaning in the seat, even if the machine doesn't really tilt would have an effect on the ergonomics.
And you have to admit there are differences between it and a car for those reasons.
I also have heard it compared to snow mobiles, which I do have experience with and most certainly occupied a similar place/experience which was not quite bike or car.
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Why in the world would anyone care if someone else is riding a Spyder? Just wave and be done with it.
Not for me, but the people on them seem to like them.
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I once saw a hacked up Chrysler K car in Salem IL. where
the owner "engineer" replaced the rear axle with a single
wheel. I guess he wanted a can am but couldn't justify
the cash outlay. I tried to do a quick u turn to tail him to get
details but got caught at a traffic signal. I can only hope
it was registered as a motorcycle.
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Why in the world would anyone care if someone else is riding a Spyder? Just wave and be done with it.
Discussion board. Something to discuss. Doesn't really have to be "about" anything, or "caring" .....
Lannis
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Why in the world would anyone care if someone else is riding a Spyder? Just wave and be done with it.
Not for me, but the people on them seem to like them.
I care because in my experience the drivers of those are as a class unskilled and inexperienced drivers. I avoid them like the plague on the road. The people that have them seem to think that they can just drive them like a car, and I suspect they are not really that good at driving a car.
I am sure there are some very good CanAm drivers out there, but by and large the best thing to do is to stay away from them.
Don't even get me started on the mid-life-crisis motorcycle owners..
Yes, I am a curmudgeon.
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Yes, Lannis, I am discussing it.
Atavar, in a world of texting drivers looking at their phones while lighting a cigarette, I'd rather be in a crowd of trike riders who at least will likely notice motorcyclists as they ride along.
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I'm not mentally ready to return to 3 wheels but it would extend my riding season so I'm not ruling out the possibility in my future.
Its' the end of August and the snow is already creeping down the mountains. Soon My commute will be back to 4 wheeled vehicles and riding will be restricted after work hours if the conditions merit it.
CanAm vs hack is worth pondering. I haven't been on either. I like the concept of a Ural but I've read driving sidecars is really very physical and the whole point of going down that road is based on not having the 'energy' to safely ride on two wheels... CanAm may be the fresh air machine of choice.
As for earlier three wheels? I had a blast on my tricycle as a kid.
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A couple of guys I know have SlingShots. Really like them. In WA state, if it has seatbelts and a steering wheel, it's not a motorcycle. So no motorcycle license or helmets needed. Where a CanAm would be considered a 3-wheeled motorcycle and requires license/helmet.
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They could be leaning because it's FUN to lean!!!!
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Yes, Lannis, I am discussing it.
Atavar, in a world of texting drivers looking at their phones while lighting a cigarette, I'd rather be in a crowd of trike riders who at least will likely notice motorcyclists as they ride along.
From what I see they are so self involved that they notice nothing. The CanAm drivers I have seen for example are the *worst* drivers for driving in to an oncoming turn lane during a left hand turn. You would think they would be extra careful at avoiding head-on situations but in reality this is not the case. They instead opt for doing anything they can to expand the turning radius on a corner.
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Actually, the state by state differences are messy and annoying. To show how silly they can be, here in Nevada a Harley trike is NOT a motorcycle (two driven wheels in back, doncha know) while a CanAm Spyder (much better stability and handling, especially when cornering) is a motorcycle. Hunhhh? Even a Polaris Slingshot is a motorcycle in Nevada, what with its steering wheel and stickshift - because it has a single driven rear wheel.
I wonder what they classify the 2 wheel drive Ural?
The spyder in middle ontario seems to be mostly ridden by the elderly and the very overweight. i would like to play around on one, always wanted a street snowmobile.
I am still undecided what i am going to do when the time comes, that is a long way away and who knows what will be available. but if i had to stop 2 wheels today, my choice would be sidecar, then maybe spyder, but i think a nice AC Cobra kit car would be a heck of a lot of fun:)
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I agree, I see no reason to tempt fate to smack me down. When I get to the point that I physically cannot M/C some snazzy convertible roadster really sounds like the way to go. Can you say Kompressor?
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A couple of guys I know have SlingShots. Really like them. In WA state, if it has seatbelts and a steering wheel, it's not a motorcycle. So no motorcycle license or helmets needed. Where a CanAm would be considered a 3-wheeled motorcycle and requires license/helmet.
SO in Washington state the Slingshot is considered not a motorcycle, but is it considered a car? Or is it a motorcycle that just doesn'y requie "drivers" to have a MC endorsement. I've read several articles on them and the subject usually comes up "what are they". I believe the concensus was the manufacturuer wanted it to be classified a motorcycle, since they don't have air bags, and crumple zone requirements like regular cars. How do they get over that in Washington?
Disclosure, in my mind a Slingshot is a car (steering wheel, gas/brake/clutch pedals, seat with seat belt, arm rest, center console with gear shift lever just like any small car), only with one wheel in back. Sort of like the Elio thing, or other multitudes of three wheeled cars from the past.
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SO in Washington state the Slingshot is considered not a motorcycle, but is it considered a car? Or is it a motorcycle that just doesn'y requie "drivers" to have a MC endorsement. I've read several articles on them and the subject usually comes up "what are they". I believe the concensus was the manufacturuer wanted it to be classified a motorcycle, since they don't have air bags, and crumple zone requirements like regular cars. How do they get over that in Washington?
Disclosure, in my mind a Slingshot is a car (steering wheel, gas/brake/clutch pedals, seat with seat belt, arm rest, center console with gear shift lever just like any small car), only with one wheel in back. Sort of like the Elio thing, or other multitudes of three wheeled cars from the past.
Federal law - the Slingshot is a motorcycle.
State law - varies widely by state, so much that Polaris put up a web page where you can look up the applicable regulation. http://www.polaris.com/en-us/slingshot/license-requirements (http://www.polaris.com/en-us/slingshot/license-requirements)
My opinion - if you can come out/off of the vehicle in a fall, roll or collision and the vehicle does not have protections for you (i.e., roll bar), then it's a motorcycle and helmet laws apply.
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My opinion - if you can come out/off of the vehicle in a fall, roll or collision and the vehicle does not have protections for you (i.e., roll bar), then it's a motorcycle and helmet laws apply.
I like that definition - it's reasonable.
Auto = vehicle with crash ratings, seat belts, etc.
Cycle = vehicle without crash ratings or restraints - crash protection is the purview of the operator/rider.
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I agree, I see no reason to tempt fate to smack me down. When I get to the point that I physically cannot M/C some snazzy convertible roadster really sounds like the way to go. Can you say Kompressor?
Yet another SLK reference from you. You may have to go out and buy one at this rate. Just don't do what I did. Get it with the manual...
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Yet another SLK reference from you. You may have to go out and buy one at this rate. Just don't do what I did. Get it with the manual...
Nah, I want the AMG with the paddle shifters.. :copcar:
Hey, it is cheaper than a comparable Caddilac..
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(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/hold%20it%20up_zpsdittkvib.jpg)
What? Do I have to be sober too? Dang.
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Youse......guys are overthinking it. A car made and/or sold in the U.S. has to meet FED DOT requirements for a car. The Slingshot and Spyder are not cars. However as a motorcycle, the states can and have modified their laws for their state as to how that 3 wheel motorcycle use is governed. Which brings up another thing. Since it's registered in one state that is not a helmet state, guess what happens when you cross into a helmet state? Can you say "ticket time". :grin: Yes......argue with the cop on the side of the road.
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Well hell fellas , Kaybec is the spiritual home of the Spyder , it is pronounced "Bomb bar dee aay" after all :laugh:
Out of state customer to young female at the Dairy Queen in Nacogdoches Texas , "How do you pronounce the name of this place ?" Her reply "D a i r y Q u e e n " :laugh:
Dusty
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Saw two Slingshots yesterday at a Cracker Barrel, they got a lot of attention. Looked like a small space ship on wheels pulling out.
They remind me of the Batmobile.
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Related question...Do any of the current models incorporate any ability for the machine to tilt or have they made any changes to the front end?
They have a new model, the F3, which has a much lower seat height, and forward controls. That might handle better with a lower CG, though, I think that BRP is just trying to appeal to the feat forward crowd from the looks of this marketing pic.
(http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/2015-Can-Am-Spyder-F3.jpg)
That said, I'm inclined to think that when I can no longer hold up a two wheeler, I might just buy a BMW Z4, Miata or other roadster, but, I also might be willing to give a Spyder a go.
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I like that definition - it's reasonable.
Auto = vehicle with crash ratings, seat belts, etc.
Cycle = vehicle without crash ratings or restraints - crash protection is the purview of the operator/rider.
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Yep. The Elio is also considered a "motorcycle" despite the enclosed cabin.
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/elio-motors-84-mpg-3-wheeler-image-elio-motors_100477634_m.jpg)
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But the elio still doesn't exist. This from their website:
** No money or other consideration is being solicited at this time, and if sent in to Elio Motors, will not be accepted. No offer to buy securities of Elio Motors can be accepted and no part of the purchase price can be received until Elio Motor’s offering statement is qualified. Any such offer to buy securities may be withdrawn or revoked, without obligation or commitment of any kind, at any time before notice of its acceptance is given after the qualification date. Any indications of interest in Elio Motor’s offering involves no obligation or commitment of any kind. Elio Motors filed its offering statement with the Securities and Exchange Commission on August 28, 2015.
This little fella on the other hand DOES exist. I photographed one on Whidbey Island two weeks ago, having seen it a year earlier but couldn't leave the ferry queue to catch it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nmg+car&biw=1221&bih=588&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI_Nqx_oHXxwIVjaSICh3AcAKA&dpr=1.3
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Yep. The Elio is also considered a "motorcycle" despite the enclosed cabin.
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/elio-motors-84-mpg-3-wheeler-image-elio-motors_100477634_m.jpg)
Enclosed cabin doesn't equal meeting any crash standards.
I see that as a problem since it will hold you in place in a crash... That might be as dumb as a motorcycle with a seatbelt.
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This little fella on the other hand DOES exist. I photographed one on Whidbey Island two weeks ago, having seen it a year earlier but couldn't leave the ferry queue to catch it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nmg+car&biw=1221&bih=588&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI_Nqx_oHXxwIVjaSICh3AcAKA&dpr=1.3
The fact that the MSRP of the Myers is twice that of the Elio speaks to the improbability of the Elios ever actually attaining that $6,800 MSRP. That said, the Myers is electric, which would make it cost more.
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Add a potted begonia to the roof of the NMG and you could claim the design was by Dr Seuss. :laugh:
The owner claimed 70 minutes @80mph/4-hr recharge. He was ahead of my car getting onto the highway and scooted right on up to the speed limit -- no lack of power.
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Add a potted begonia to the roof of the NMG and you could claim the design was by Dr Seuss. :laugh:
The owner claimed 70 minutes @80mph/4-hr recharge. He was ahead of my car getting onto the highway and scooted right on up to the speed limit -- no lack of power.
Designed, built, owned, and marketed by Paul Reubens while in character?
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They have a new model, the F3, which has a much lower seat height, and forward controls.
Actually, while the odd review has claimed that the F3 has a lower seat height, in reality if you stand next to an F3 and an RS or ST in the showroom and place your hand on the seat and extend your fingers towards your leg you will find that your fingers hit the same spot on your leg on either model.
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They have a new model, the F3, which has a much lower seat height, and forward controls. That might handle better with a lower CG, though, I think that BRP is just trying to appeal to the feat forward crowd from the looks of this marketing pic.
(http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/2015-Can-Am-Spyder-F3.jpg)
That said, I'm inclined to think that when I can no longer hold up a two wheeler, I might just buy a BMW Z4, Miata or other roadster, but, I also might be willing to give a Spyder a go.
:grin:
Brings us right back to my first post:
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/Guzzi156/59615490-7C8C-423B-8487-DD18E4ED0428_zpsivn4b5az.jpg) (http://s81.photobucket.com/user/Guzzi156/media/59615490-7C8C-423B-8487-DD18E4ED0428_zpsivn4b5az.jpg.html)
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A 160 mph trike and a story about a guy who crashed twice on 2 wheels and decided to design a very fast trike. Trikes unbound: How entrepreneurs unleashed "A new fusion motorcycle-car"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/trikes-unbound-how-entrepreneurs-unleashed-a-new-fusion-motorcycle-car/2015/09/05/26e0a93c-46a9-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html
"a $10 million bet that their new Tanom Motors Invader can appeal to a pair of disparate demographics: adrenaline junkies hooked on terrifyingly fast sport bikes, and baby boomers and others hunting for some of the thrills with fewer of the risks.
With a pair of wheels up front and a single fat racing tire in the back, the entrepreneurs’ low-slung “high performance reverse trike” was designed to hug curves that might defeat less-experienced (or more arthritic) motorcycle riders. The side-by-side bucket seats liberate spouses from being hangers-on staring at the back of a helmet. Fuel economy is in the “upper 20s,” the company says. The vehicle comes with cup holders.
Starting at $54,899, the Invader is among the priciest autocycles on the market, on par with the T-REX, a model made by long-established Canadian competitor Campagna Motors."
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One could get the 502ci Boss Hoss Trike. Why screw aroung? You could also use it to pull boat, travel or atv trailer. :sad: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Yep. The Elio is also considered a "motorcycle" despite the enclosed cabin.
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/elio-motors-84-mpg-3-wheeler-image-elio-motors_100477634_m.jpg)
I notice that the Elio dude is still talking fast, but the fast talk now includes things like "they might miss" their $6800 MSRP and their gas mileage targets ....
I just bet.
Lannis
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They must be in the same stage as the brothers that were trying to make the Indians in Minnesota. :shocked:
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National toy of Quebec - and you don't even have to dress like a gay pirate, unlike most of the bike riders.
Nick
Yep it has replaced the straight-piped Harley as the National Vehicle of The People's Democratic Republic of Quebec!!!!
The chromier and shinier the better!!!
At least the Can-Am is quiet!
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Washington State classifies spyders, trikes and sidecars the same --- all require a separate "trike" endorsement. The endorsement requires a separate written and practical test. The written goes into some detail of the differences between each type and control issues with each as well, especially when cornering. If you also ride a motorcycle, then a motorcycle endorsement is also required.
So, if you ride a spyder, trike or sidecar rig in Oregon with a Washington license with just a motorcycle endorsement, no problem as far as I know. However, if you get caught riding one in Washington and you have a Washington driver's license without the trike endorsement, they can confiscate your rig.
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Took the hack out today. Just put on a new rear tire. You guys don't know what you're missing. I got it mainly to take the youngest to school. It's become the main transport because of the load capacity and fun factor in traffic. :thumb:
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I know a guy who's been riding one for several years . Life long biker , mid seventies , has a couple of Ducs in the garage .
Don't remember what ailment prompted it , but he got to where he no longer wanted to put too much stress on his legs holding up a bike . So he rides the Spyder , and the Ducatis stay at home .
The only guy I know who started riding a Spyder did so because of health issues that weakened his legs.
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Loudest 'motorcycle' i've ever heard was a Spyder with some sort of carbon slip-ons at a gas station a few weeks ago... this thing was louder than a straight pipe Harley!
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Loudest 'motorcycle' i've ever heard was a Spyder with some sort of carbon slip-ons at a gas station a few weeks ago... this thing was louder than a straight pipe Harley!
Sigh!!! It was inevitable i guess! :rolleyes:
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Well I've ridden the 1st version of the Spyder and own Piaggio MP3s, which the Spyder ain't. In fact my 2 MP3s cost the same as the 1 Spyder. The Spyder doesn't lean and get's 1/2 the gas mileage my MP3s get. 30 mpg vs. 65 mpg. Spyder is probably faster in acceleration but my 400 MP3 will do 90 mph if needed. The Spyder has really WIDE front wheels and you have to keep an eye on them on a 2 lane road to stay in your lane. When you go into a corner your upper body get's a real workout steering those front wheels and you feel every bump. None of this happens on a MP3. I also have had sidecar rigs. Compared to a Spyder a hack is more hassle in curves than a Spyder but on straights they are comparable. Spyder owners say they have so many safety sensors you can't hurt yourself riding 1, but that also means you can't get too rambunctious on them either.
If I was serious about getting a trike(other than MP3) I would look at(test ride) the conventional setups.
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Boss Hoss 502 ci. trike idling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJE7OdyEyA