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Title: Top Speed Liar
Post by: jlburgess on August 31, 2015, 08:48:43 PM
what do you tell your neighbor after he says he went two hundred miles an hour on his race bike right before he crashed it. its a 2005 zx10r and it hasn't been out of the state of California and its completely stock but he's pretty darn sure that I'm a liar. sometimes it's difficult to tell people the facts they don't want to hear. I tried to explain the radius of the tire and the gearing pick up as not on the front wheel but he'd have none of it.  :violent1:
sure the next step would be to Google Jamie hackings 2005 AMA bike and see the top speed is probably somewhere near 185. :violent1:
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: scra99tch on August 31, 2015, 08:51:31 PM
Sure he wasn't looking at the metric side of his speedometer?

Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on August 31, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
 Hell , he doesn't even believe that bike will run 200 MPH  :grin: Just let him have his fantasy , only fools will believe him  :rolleyes:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: LowRyter on August 31, 2015, 08:54:19 PM
moto speedometers are always optimistic usually 10-15% and more so on the top end.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: fotoguzzi on August 31, 2015, 09:29:26 PM
tell him you went 201 on your 8v going down to the 7-11
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Triple Jim on August 31, 2015, 09:45:20 PM
Heck, all I have to do is ride my H2 to a public place and stop for while, and I have to listen to a story about how back in the day someone did 5th gear wheelies at 150 mph on one.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: elvisboy77 on August 31, 2015, 09:47:32 PM
I say just nod at the liar and shake your head, who cares how fast he went anyway?
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Penderic on August 31, 2015, 09:47:55 PM
Dont have to say anything!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/sure_zpspaxct7vn.gif)

Just nod in agreement and smile!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Scud on August 31, 2015, 09:57:23 PM
You cannot reason a man out of a position that he has not reasoned himself into.

Best to smile, nod, say uh-huh, and move on... unless you want to cast a casual glance at the speed-rating on his tires... "Wow, 200 MPH. And on 150MPH-rated tires. You sure are brave..."

Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on August 31, 2015, 10:11:03 PM
Dont have to say anything!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/sure_zpspaxct7vn.gif)

Just nod in agreement and smile!  :rolleyes:

Penderic, the man with a funny picture for every occasion LOL
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Idontwantapickle on August 31, 2015, 10:13:25 PM
Heck, all I have to do is ride my H2 to a public place and stop for while, and I have to listen to a story about how back in the day someone did 5th gear wheelies at 150 mph on one.
Does yours have the high speed wheelie front rudder/fender? I hear they all had them back in the day........

"The older I get the faster a rider I used to be."
-Paul LeClair

Hunter (not Paul LeClair)
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Triple Jim on August 31, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
I guess it has that thing you said.   :laugh:

A stock 1972 H2 was claimed to do 74 hp.  That was crank HP at best, and when actually run on a dyno, they do upper 50s to low 60s at the rear wheel.  They were ground breaking back then, but the stories have far surpassed reality.  I also have to hear how badly they handle, when in reality they won many production stock class races in the '70s.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: ITSec on August 31, 2015, 11:11:44 PM
Reality is a malleable thing, and in his, he was going 200 mph. In the reality experienced by Japanese vehicle manufacturers, they were backed into an agreement with their government to limit vehicles to 300 kph (186 mph) in factory configuration. The Hayabusa, the ZX-14, and certainly the ZX-10R all somehow magically top out at this same number (or less). Even their supercars (like the GT-R and LFA) have this limit, although there's some slick programming in their navigation systems to disable the speed limiter when they are on a known racetrack location (really - saw it on Top Gear, the real one).
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Rough Edge racing on September 01, 2015, 06:07:40 AM
 Two biggest lies in anything thing with wheels is top speed and MPG..
 At the one mile and one and a half mile standing start LSR tracks stock looking big bore sports bikes run about 185  mph if they are really stock. Of course smart racers always lie down the engine and some likely have stuff done to the engine management electronics..
 What Jim said the old H series Kawasaki's is so true...And the same for old British twins and the silly top speed stories.
  And the car top speed stories are even bigger lies... But modern cars do have very high speeds if not governed.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Gliderjohn on September 01, 2015, 07:00:20 AM
These kind have been around a long time. When I was in high school a kid swore his father's stock 58 Ford with a straight six and a three speed on the tree could do 13 second quarter miles.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: mtiberio on September 01, 2015, 07:15:51 AM
I can't quite remember the quote from rob muzzy, but it was something like at 180 mph, it takes an additional 5 hp to go one mph more. drag goes up with the cube of speed, and bikes hit an aerodynamic brick wall quite easily. the person claiming 200mph deserves a whatev...
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 01, 2015, 07:36:16 AM
That ain't nothin. A guy I know swears his Burgman will do 160 all day..
Seriously.
<shrug>
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Mike Tashjian on September 01, 2015, 07:37:48 AM
My brother likes to tell fish stories.  Relatives got a welcome break when I started taking pictures of the fish he caught.  Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: guzziboy66 on September 01, 2015, 07:54:19 AM
I did a track day (beginner/novice class) on my Ducati 748.  They encourage you not to look at your speedo - in fact some guys taped their speedos off so they wouldn't look at them.  I enjoyed my day and felt I was going faster in every session as I learned the track and what my bike could do.  At the end of the day there were very few riders left on the track and the control riders were using the the beginners session as play time.  On my second to last lap everything came together and I had my best drive onto the front strait - Wide open throttle coming out of the last turn, head down, etc...  I peaked at the speedo - 146 mph...  As I got off the throttle and set up for turn one... I was passed (on both sides) by two control riders riding GSXR 600s - both were on the "wrong" line for the turn.  The inside guy had his hand on his hip and was looking over his shoulder at his buddy...  I turned in, throttled up... And they were gone...  Never saw them again that lap.  So much for being fast...

200 MPH my ass.

Eric
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: redrider on September 01, 2015, 08:00:06 AM
To argue with a Fool is two Fools arguing. Personally, I would call BS and shut up.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Rough Edge racing on September 01, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
I can't quite remember the quote from rob muzzy, but it was something like at 180 mph, it takes an additional 5 hp to go one mph more. drag goes up with the cube of speed, and bikes hit an aerodynamic brick wall quite easily. the person claiming 200mph deserves a whatev...

 In the world of LSR there are about 56 or so naked frame bikes with records of 200 mph or better.The majority are bare frame Hayabusa's with Nitrous or turbos. Some of the older records are held by nitro fueled Sportsters and even a dual engine Triumph.I believe at least 200 HP is requred to  reach 200 mph on a naked bike.
 My lSR 650 Triumph is a stripped stock frame lowered 2 inches with clip on bars and when I first started racing it had about 49 rear wheel HP and ran 120 MPH...Adding 6 more HP boosted top speed to 126 in the one mile and 128 in the 1-1/2 mile. I believe part of the speed increase was from rider position improvement.
 
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: blackcat on September 01, 2015, 08:12:55 AM
Personally, I love people who BS. The bigger the lie, the more entertainment.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on September 01, 2015, 08:34:25 AM
Personally, I love people who BS. The bigger the lie, the more entertainment.

 Why back in 19 and 74 I had me one a them Z 2 Kamasakis , hell , it'd run 200 MPH , did it a buncha times coming the Muskogee turnpike , shoot , ya can ask my wife , she was on the back more un once .

 Related to me a few years back by a fella at a convenience store . Hope it entertains you Cat  :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: rocker59 on September 01, 2015, 08:59:15 AM
Something about idiots and motorcycles.  Don't know what it is, but my whole life I've heard top speed stories from idiots who "used to ride" about their top speed runs.

It was particularly bad in the 1990s when I was riding a New Triumph.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: atavar on September 01, 2015, 09:19:48 AM
Even if his bike is wrecked the max speed is still in the speedo.  Hook up a battery and look.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: blackcat on September 01, 2015, 09:24:45 AM
Why back in 19 and 74 I had me one a them Z 2 Kamasakis , hell , it'd run 200 MPH , did it a buncha times coming the Muskogee turnpike , shoot , ya can ask my wife , she was on the back more un once .

 Related to me a few years back by a fella at a convenience store . Hope it entertains you Cat  :laugh:

  Dusty

Great!  The bigger the lie the better though it does get hard to keep a straight face when confronted with the big fibs.  Of course this doesn't pertain to the destructive lies.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Gliderjohn on September 01, 2015, 09:38:39 AM
Back in college in the 70s, there was this guy from New Jersey that talked pretty big at times but you know it turned out he generally could back things up. If I had not seen it for myself I would have called BS but he had had a heavily modified early Honda 750 and framed on his wall was a ticket given to him on the Jersey Turnpike (was arrested also at the time.) for 164mph. I would have thought handling might be a bit dicy but he survived it.
He liked adventure, as he took a VW bug across he border somewhere into Mexico to pick up some recreational goodies and returning through the border area he riled some folk that left a few bullet holes in the rear engine hood along with some cooling fins, etc. chipped and damaged. I saw the results of that. BTW he made it back okay. Hard to stop those old Bugs.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: blackcat on September 01, 2015, 09:54:22 AM
Hard to stop those old Bugs.
GliderJohn

Impressive. The accelerator cable would always break on my bug in the most inopportune moments.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Gliderjohn on September 01, 2015, 10:25:55 AM
Quote
Speaking of bugs , there was this fella in East Texas circa 1979 that decided he was gonna jump a bug over the Angelina River . Printed large multi color posters , sold several tickets , built a rudimentary ramp , through a party , sold beer and BBQ , worked everyone into a frenzy , drove up to the ramp , surveyed the situation , waved to the crowd , drove back to his starting point and just kept going , out the gate , never to be seen again  :laugh:

  Dusty

That could have been the same guy! I could of seen him doing something like that. :grin:
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: John A on September 01, 2015, 10:34:52 AM
It's the same with airplane guys only seems like most will call bullshit quickly so the stories are sometimes closer to the truth. Someone mentioned they are not destructive lies and that is a very good distinction. So there I was at 8000 feet .......
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: LowRyter on September 01, 2015, 10:36:30 AM
Why back in 19 and 74 I had me one a them Z 2 Kamasakis , hell , it'd run 200 MPH , did it a buncha times coming the Muskogee turnpike , shoot , ya can ask my wife , she was on the back more un once .

 Related to me a few years back by a fella at a convenience store . Hope it entertains you Cat  :laugh:

  Dusty

I'll bet it felt like 200 mph.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Shorty on September 01, 2015, 10:37:08 AM
All the good ones start with "I shit you NOT."
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on September 01, 2015, 11:21:24 AM
I'll bet it felt like 200 mph.

  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 And then , there are the two local guys who tell this story .

 "Yep , it was 1981 , ol Bill and Fred , well, they was haulin their MXers on a trailer behind Bill's 1970 SS Chevelle on their way to a big race out in New Mexico , or hell , maybe it was Arizona , don't matter. So's anyway , they get out to Clinton on I 40 , when that big block Chevy decides to spin a main bearing and bust up the crank . So Fred , or maybe it was Bill , well , they flag down this pair of hot girls in a Van , and get a ride into Clinton , where they call Kirk here and tell him he needs to load up some tools and rescue 'em . Now ol Kirk here , well , he calls me cause you know , hell , I'm the best Chevy mechanic in the state , just ask anyone . Now being as how we is in a hurry , it bein hot and all , and our buds are stranded , well now , we decide to take my GS 750 Suzuki , cause you know , it'd run about 140 all day long , even 2 up . So's we load up the bags with tools , musta been about 75 LBS worth , strap a 6 pack of Bud onto the handlebars , which by the way , makes a pretty good fairing , and we haul ass the whole 170 miles out to where Bill and Fred are broke down . Only takes 'bout an hour and a half, cause we did 120 all the way , hell , outran a state trooper and ah OKC cop . Woulda been there sooner , but we hadda stop and buy more beer , as we had already drank that sixer by about Midwest City . Didn't stop to pee , we'd just change places goin down the road and pee of the back ah the bike . Tell 'em Kirk , am I makin any ah this up , swear on my momma's grave, well I would if she was dead . Now when we get there , well heck , ol Fred and Bill are havin a party with the two cuties in the van , got their pavillion all set up for shade , drinkin beer and smokin pot , right there on the shoulder of I 40 , shoot , got the grill out cookin steaks . Tell 'em Kirk , am I lyin ? Hell , they even shared a beer with a state trooper . Now , cause I'm such a good Chevy mechanic , well , I had that crank out in about 30 minutes , didn't look real bad . Sent Kirk here inta town for a new main bearing and some rod bearings , oh , and some emory cloth . Now before I could drink another beer , well , ol Kirk here , he is back with the parts , cause he rode about 120 all the way there and back on that GS , had ta out run a city cop on the way out . Think they tried ta put up a road block , but Kirk , bein so great a rider , he just dodged the cops . Well now , had another beer , and a coupla tokes , and put that there motor back together after I polished up the crank with some emory cloth . Slapped that sucker together in about 30 minutes , told Bill to fire her up , after puttin in some new oil . Purred like a kitten , Bill took her up the road a ways , hit 120 or so , said it never ran so good , no surprise , cause , well , I AM the best Chevy mechanic in the state and all . Anyway , we sent Bill and Fred on their way , the two hotties followin 'em , did I mention they was a coupla rich girls from California ? Anyway , they was ah payin for everything , and handin me tools and all . So's now Kirk and I head back East towards Muskogee , all the way at about 120 , just hadda stop twice for beer and to eat . Didn't see one cop all the way back , would't ah mattered , woulda just out run 'em . Am I makin any ah this up Kirk , tell the truth bud , iffin I'm lyin I'm dyin."

 Dusty

 
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: wymple on September 01, 2015, 01:58:07 PM
Back in college in the 70s, there was this guy from New Jersey that talked pretty big at times but you know it turned out he generally could back things up. If I had not seen it for myself I would have called BS but he had had a heavily modified early Honda 750 and framed on his wall was a ticket given to him on the Jersey Turnpike (was arrested also at the time.) for 164mph. I would have thought handling might be a bit dicy but he survived it.
He liked adventure, as he took a VW bug across he border somewhere into Mexico to pick up some recreational goodies and returning through the border area he riled some folk that left a few bullet holes in the rear engine hood along with some cooling fins, etc. chipped and damaged. I saw the results of that. BTW he made it back okay. Hard to stop those old Bugs.
GliderJohn

We had a kid in high school who got a ticket for 138 mph in a souped up 59 Chevy with a 348 under the hood. Carried it around like a badge of honor. When he got his license back he ran my big block Olds and couldn't keep up a small bit north of 120.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: BRIO on September 01, 2015, 02:06:19 PM
I have a stock four door Buick in silver with a 4 cylinder engine. On the few occasions I've told people that I had it up to 150mph I got that infamous uhuh, as in "sure you did". Seems to be the most common you're-full-of-it response.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: ITSec on September 01, 2015, 02:54:04 PM
At least the Four Yorkshiremen didn't ride motorcycles....
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Penderic on September 01, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
I don't know. Looking for something from somebody?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/spaceinsurance_zpsm6vgi2nz.jpg)
 :huh:
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Lannis on September 01, 2015, 03:38:07 PM
  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 And then , there are the two local guys who tell this story .

 "Yep , it was 1981 , ol Bill and Fred , .....
 Dusty

 

I've known Bill and Fred myself, met 'em several times over the years.   

All the things that guys are always so trustworthy about, like how fast their motorcycles go, girls they've met on the road, bearings re-babbited in old beer cans, cops they've made fools of, how much beer they drink and dope they smoke ....

... all there in every story.

You've got their rap down to a "T"!

Lannis
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: analog kid on September 01, 2015, 03:40:30 PM
It's the same with airplane guys only seems like most will call bullshit quickly so the stories are sometimes closer to the truth. Someone mentioned they are not destructive lies and that is a very good distinction. So there I was at 8000 feet .......

Didja know the Cessna 152, except for top speed, has the same flight characteristics as an F14? I just nodded and said "unhunh.."
Maybe he meant if you pull the stick back you go up, push forward you go down, etc. I didn't request details...

Also a nickel contains five cents of silver, a dime ten cents of silver, a quarter twenty five and so on. This came from a machinist.
The other machinists took to calling him "Einstein".

Not in the complimentary sense.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: ITSec on September 01, 2015, 03:43:27 PM

Also a nickel contains five cents of silver, a dime ten cents of silver, a quarter twenty five and so on.


Cool - the silver in the dime must be that special high-density isotope!
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Gliderjohn on September 01, 2015, 04:50:33 PM
Quote from analog kid:
Quote
Didja know the Cessna 152, except for top speed, has the same flight characteristics as an F14? I just nodded and said "unhunh.."
Maybe he meant if you pull the stick back you go up, push forward you go down, etc. I didn't request details...

Well...you know the 152 had a few improvements over the 150. Still though, I wonder how well it flies at 50,000' compared to an F-14? :roll eyes:
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: LowRyter on September 01, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
I'd like to compare the glide characteristics of the two.  They don't call them lawn dart for nothing. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: blakebird on September 01, 2015, 05:06:05 PM
so his speedo error has the needle nudging the 190 mark maybe, with 10% error at least, if not a bit more at that speed.

ask him if he has ANY idea how much more horsepower is required to make the jump from 185mph to 200mph....it's a brick wall and he'd need half again as much hp as he's got on tap to get there.

tell him it's physics and not possible with the bike he's got.
gearing limitations, etc - and will his bike even pull redline in top gear.

he'd love the bragging rights, but he's full of it and knows it.

15 yrs ago there was a guy on one of the Honda Blackbird forums making the exact same claim - he went down in flames, it was fun to watch
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: drums4money on September 01, 2015, 05:09:11 PM
There's a dood at work who's claimed 5th gear wheelies on a test ride.  Recently one about deciding to wheelie a hyabusa to avoid hitting a deer front-on.  "Launched me up a good 20 feet, but I rode it out. ."

I just said he was lucky he wasn't going fast enough to outrun his angel.

My weird interactions usually start with someone asking me how fast my bike is.  I always tell them I run out of nerve well before the bike does & say "it's quicker than some but slower than others."
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: ITSec on September 01, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
Well yeah , but can an F14 fly at 60 knots ? And a high performance jet fighter ain't worth a flip as a crop duster  :laugh:

  Dusty

An F14 can fly at 60 knots once - once. As for crop dusting, that's why they have the Osprey!
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: O on September 01, 2015, 05:10:54 PM
You cannot reason a man out of a position that he has not reasoned himself into.


Great quote!  I'm stealing that one.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: kevdog3019 on September 01, 2015, 05:44:44 PM
Didja know the Cessna 152, except for top speed, has the same flight characteristics as an F14? I just nodded and said "unhunh.."
Maybe he meant if you pull the stick back you go up, push forward you go down, etc. I didn't request details...

Also a nickel contains five cents of silver, a dime ten cents of silver, a quarter twenty five and so on. This came from a machinist.
The other machinists took to calling him "Einstein".

Not in the complimentary sense.
Word got back to the mint that we were on to the Susan B Anthony being a rip-off. Discontinued immediately.     
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: jas67 on September 01, 2015, 07:58:16 PM
That ain't nothin. A guy I know swears his Burgman will do 160 all day..
Seriously.
<shrug>

160 KPH.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Green1000S on September 01, 2015, 08:14:21 PM
I dont waste my time with unopened pistachios. :grin:
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: MGPilot on September 01, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from analog kid:
Well...you know the 152 had a few improvements over the 150. Still though, I wonder how well it flies at 50,000' compared to an F-14? :roll eyes:
GliderJohn

Some years back at Lake Chelan airport, CFI & I in a 152 took off to do spin training on a hot summer day. Had to catch thermals on the nearby hills to help us gain altitude. I think that's a standard F-14 technique.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Gliderjohn on September 01, 2015, 09:45:50 PM
Quote from MGPilot:
Quote
Some years back at Lake Chelan airport, CFI & I in a 152 took off to do spin training on a hot summer day. Had to catch thermals on the nearby hills to help us gain altitude. I think that's a standard F-14 technique.

My eyes! My eyes! Trying to imagine an F-14 thermalling is like imagining Rosie O'Donnell pole dancing.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on September 01, 2015, 09:52:55 PM
 You guys need to spend some time in front of a mirror carefully practicing disdainful facial expressions while learning to snort
 in a convincing manner.
  Then you will be ready to be entertained by such stories.  Say nothing about the truth or non truth and just let facial expression
  talk for you.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: blackcat on September 01, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
I always want them to think that I believe their story in hopes that the exaggerations will get even bigger, so I makes sure I add a few wows in between their minuscule pauses.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Guzzistajohn on September 01, 2015, 10:06:41 PM
Just tell him you can dive deeper and come up drier that any man on earth and see if he gives you a confused dog look.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on September 01, 2015, 10:18:08 PM
 My opinionof any 200 mph tales told by anyone other than Burt Munro.  Who BTW did it on a 1920 warmed over hard tail Indian with a leaf spring front suspension.

 (https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2008/09/15/bikepics-1418511-full.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Yukonica on September 01, 2015, 10:34:49 PM

My eyes! My eyes! Trying to imagine an F-14 thermalling is like imagining Rosie O'Donnell pole dancing.
GliderJohn
[/quote]

Okay: enough. I know diddley about aircraft or such but the image in that analogy is just so wrong.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: ITSec on September 02, 2015, 12:10:49 AM
My eyes! My eyes! Trying to imagine an F-14 thermalling is like imagining Rosie O'Donnell pole dancing.
GliderJohn


Okay: enough. I know diddley about aircraft or such but the image in that analogy is just so wrong.

Ah, John was just putting the 'swing' in swing-wing....
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Rough Edge racing on September 02, 2015, 05:26:30 AM
My opinionof any 200 mph tales told by anyone other than Burt Munro.  Who BTW did it on a 1920 warmed over hard tail Indian with a leaf spring front suspension.
  The Indian Scout engine was far more than warmed over. It was completely redesigned using OHV  valve conversion new cylinders, etc and all done by Munroe.....In LSR racing a leaf suspension is not necessarily a limitation

      (http://www.indianpartseurope.com/ipeignmunro02750.jpg)

                         

       
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: boatdetective on September 02, 2015, 05:38:41 AM
tell him you went 201 on your 8v going down to the 7-11

This is the BEST way to win. The best way to call his bluff is to "out lie" him!  What's he gonna say? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Orange Guzzi on September 02, 2015, 09:16:53 AM
I say this thread started out with a big lie to see who the is biggest liar on Wildguzzi.   Reminds me of Jimmy Blankenship, the biggest liar in Jr. H.S.  Loved to hear his stories.  I always believe a story when it starts out with "he said, hold my beer and watch this".  Even if the event ended in tragedy, you always know it started out with cheap beer and good intentions.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: biking sailor on September 02, 2015, 09:31:35 AM
This is the BEST way to win. The best way to call his bluff is to "out lie" him!  What's he gonna say? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

There's a saying that "the first liar doesn't stand a chance".  Kinda fits.   :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on September 02, 2015, 09:33:10 AM
I've known Bill and Fred myself, met 'em several times over the years.   

All the things that guys are always so trustworthy about, like how fast their motorcycles go, girls they've met on the road, bearings re-babbited in old beer cans, cops they've made fools of, how much beer they drink and dope they smoke ....

... all there in every story.

You've got their rap down to a "T"!

Lannis



 I probably left out some of the details , but these two guys really seemed to believe this crazy tale . They have probably refined and added to the story over the years , and have reinforced their collective memory . Of course , the guy who relates most of the narrative also tells of working for an uncle that owns a night club in West Texas where several prominent gangsters hung out . He claims to have met and sold cocaine to Kid Rock in the mid 1970s , which seems a bit odd considering that the man wasn't born until 1971  :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Triple Jim on September 02, 2015, 09:47:21 AM
He claims to have met and sold cocaine to Kid Rock in the mid 1970s , which seems a bit odd considering that the man wasn't born until 1971  :laugh:

He's probably thinking of Kid Rock's father, Old Man Rock.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Penderic on September 02, 2015, 11:48:26 AM
Ventriloquism would come in very handy in this situation.

(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Bullshit_zpspw8gat60.jpg)
Best thing learned in class!  :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: canuguzzi on September 02, 2015, 02:44:55 PM
The Norge can do 150 any night of the week. At 151 I always wake up screaming.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on September 02, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
  The Indian Scout engine was far more than warmed over. It was completely redesigned using OHV  valve conversion new cylinders, etc and all done by Munroe.....In LSR racing a leaf suspension is not necessarily a limitation

      (http://www.indianpartseurope.com/ipeignmunro02750.jpg)

                         

       

A few home made innovations, like cylinders made from water pipe, pistons cast in his garage and shaped with a file,
 he had to make his own head for overhead valves because the water pipe did not have room for a valve in cylinder design.
 He had to make his own crank pins from old axle rods because of two reasons, one he couldn't get originals any more and they wouldn't stand up to his racing stresses if he could.  He made his own racing tires by trimming off rubber from tires available rubber.
  He had to build his own fairing since none were made that would fit.  It's what you do when you start with a 1920 motorcycle that was designed with a top speed of 65 MPH.
 He once started with a British vertical twin engine and hand hacksawed the fly wheel down the middle then welded it back together changing it from a 360 degree crank to a 180 degree crank.  He was a master at home made innovations to warm over an engine.
 The modern Indian company has built a sort of replica of his scout that uses the new thunderstroke engine as a tribute to Munro.

 (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ss3FpDy3bD4/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: ITSec on September 02, 2015, 03:28:38 PM

The modern Indian company has built a sort of replica of his scout that uses the new thunderstroke engine as a tribute to Munro.

 (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ss3FpDy3bD4/maxresdefault.jpg)

There's a Guzzi connection there. A well known MG guy was in the film footage they shot of that 'replica' bike, and there's a Stelvio that shows up in the 'making of' film as well.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss3FpDy3bD4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss3FpDy3bD4) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3vy0JRoj4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3vy0JRoj4&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Rough Edge racing on September 02, 2015, 04:23:38 PM
 A few months back another lSR racer, Alp, told me he was shooting  for 160 MPH in the one mile standing start on this machine powered by a vintage 650 Triumph fueled by alcohol/nitro. It an open class bike, no fairings. I though he was stretching the truth....At the Mojave mile he ran and unbelievable 169 MPH..... You can see how tiny the bike is...all home made....

        (https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11836740_622500357852927_5010691987749758613_n.jpg?oh=2440c7d977ab76be62b507e6a126a5f6&oe=56659A82)
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Lannis on September 02, 2015, 04:28:00 PM
A few months back another lSR racer, Alp, told me he was shooting  for 160 MPH in the one mile standing start on this machine powered by a vintage 650 Triumph fueled by alcohol/nitro. It an open class bike, no fairings. I though he was stretching the truth....At the Mojave mile he ran and unbelievable 169 MPH..... You can see how tiny the bike is...all home made....

        (https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11836740_622500357852927_5010691987749758613_n.jpg?oh=2440c7d977ab76be62b507e6a126a5f6&oe=56659A82)

When you have to worry about the fork sliders bumping your hands ... you can say "Now THEM'S clip-ons!"

Lannis
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on September 02, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
A few months back another lSR racer, Alp, told me he was shooting  for 160 MPH in the one mile standing start on this machine powered by a vintage 650 Triumph fueled by alcohol/nitro. It an open class bike, no fairings. I though he was stretching the truth....At the Mojave mile he ran and unbelievable 169 MPH..... You can see how tiny the bike is...all home made....

        (https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11836740_622500357852927_5010691987749758613_n.jpg?oh=2440c7d977ab76be62b507e6a126a5f6&oe=56659A82)

 It would take maybe 85-90 HP to get it done , not out of the realms of possibility for a serious hot rod 650 Triumph on dope . Is he running nitro or nitrous ? That long tank looks like a nitrous bottle . Bet it sounds wicked . VROOM VROOM  :bike-037:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Triple Jim on September 02, 2015, 04:42:01 PM
You're speed-reading, Dusty.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on September 02, 2015, 04:45:44 PM
You're speed-reading, Dusty.   :laugh:

  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

  Sorry , flunked out of the Evelyn Speedhead wood reading class  :grin:

  Hey Jim , put some REAL math to the issue at hand , how far off is my estimate of needed HP ?

  Dusty
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Triple Jim on September 02, 2015, 05:10:13 PM
That depends on important things like the humidity, latitude, air density, and what the rider had for breakfast.  If you get me that information, I'll come up with some more missing information.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on September 02, 2015, 05:32:31 PM
That depends on important things like the humidity, latitude, air density, and what the rider had for breakfast.  If you get me that information, I'll come up with some more missing information.

 How about 100 feet above sea level , relative humidity 28 percent , 80 degrees , barometric pressure 29.95 and steady , pancakes with peanut butter and maple syrup , red headed girlfriend , mom's name is Dorothy , and the rider is 5 ft 2 and 1/4 inches tall and weighs 91 lbs . Correction , that is the GF , rider is 5ft 5in and weighs 310 lbs  :grin:

 Seriously , was I even close  :laugh:
 
 Dusty
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Rough Edge racing on September 02, 2015, 06:11:10 PM
It would take maybe 85-90 HP to get it done , not out of the realms of possibility for a serious hot rod 650 Triumph on dope . Is he running nitro or nitrous ? That long tank looks like a nitrous bottle . Bet it sounds wicked . VROOM VROOM  :bike-037:

  Dusty

 Alp is a bit shy about revealing the power, engines on Nitro don't like dynos. I do know altered  or open class (naked) Harley's in the 160 MPH class make 120-140 HP on more normal type fuel,they are a bit bulkier. I might say Alp's bike is closer to 100 HP. 750 cc Triumph Nitro drag bikes made an estimated 110 HP....... One tank is oil, the other fuel...
   As I mentioned there are about 56 naked frame bikes over 200 MPH. The first in the late 60's was a dual engine Triumph and a dual engine Enfield. In that early mix is also a Vincent and a Sportster. All on dope fuel.
 As we speak I'm starting the dual Triumph 650 LSR machine built. It'll be built in my home shop using mostly hand held tools and a ww2 era lathe... I spent nearly 5000 bucks in two days of my rider's money for a pile of junk on the floor. Triumph engines,Harley transmission and clutch,Suzuki 1000 wheels,custom frame,and who knows what else.... Total cost will be near 15 grand.... A shit load of money for a piece of paper and your name in the record book...
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on September 02, 2015, 06:15:20 PM
 Yep , if ya gotta ask how much ...

  Dusty
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on September 02, 2015, 07:13:51 PM
 All you guys are at least half fast.  May you follow in Burts boots as you roll across dry lake beds.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: LowRyter on September 02, 2015, 09:09:17 PM
production Kawi runs 205 at IoM

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/could-you-hang-on-at-206-mph-around-the-isle-of-man-on-1727741845
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Triple Jim on September 02, 2015, 09:58:20 PM
One of the triples board guys, Dave Crussell, took his new Ninja H2R there too.  It'll be fun to hear how he did on his.  His normal IOM rides include an original H2R, and a TZ750.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on September 02, 2015, 10:12:47 PM
  That is definitely much more than half fast.
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: oldbike54 on September 02, 2015, 10:36:53 PM
One of the triples board guys, Dave Crussell, took his new Ninja H2R there too.  It'll be fun to hear how he did on his.  His normal IOM rides include an original H2R, and a TZ750.

 Have read a bit about that guy , pretty amazing  :bow:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Top Speed Liar
Post by: Penderic on September 02, 2015, 11:52:50 PM
So fast its a blurrrrrrr....
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/guzzi_nevada_750_mekolai_by_mekolai-d3c9hhs_zpsla2s1xef.jpg)
"That fast, eh?" :laugh: