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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: HarveyMushman on September 01, 2015, 05:48:11 PM
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I've had it for a few weeks now, and put on nearly 2K mostly commuting miles. Sunday I found some time to head for the hills to lean into some proper corners and sample a few gravel forest roads. Good fun. Maintenance and Mistral install planned for this weekend. More good fun. Carry on.
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Tim,
They're great bikes. I've had my '12 for a bit over three years now and have traveled 32K miles without significant problems. My use is mainly long distance touring and camping trips (mostly rallies) on hard surface roads.
Enjoy yours. Get involved in your local Guzzi rallies when you have the time. There are some very good events along the East Coast of the country.
Ride safe.
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The most versatile and character-filled bike on the road.
Of course, I'm biased.
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The most versatile and character-filled bike on the road.
Of course, I'm biased.
I concur - love my Stelly so far. However, I must say that my Griso has even more character :grin:
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I concur - love my Stelly so far. However, I must say that my Griso has even more character :grin:
I was mighty tempted, but practicality won the day.
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I was mighty tempted, but practicality won the day.
Same here HM. After riding both Griso and Stelvio when it came time to write the check I almost went with the more visceral Griso. Hard not to do it but practicality won out and in the end all for the better. The NTX has been the best all round long range ride for three years now and no loss on the fun factor either. Love the riding position, seat and load capacity. No plans to change any time soon.
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The NTX has been the best all round long range ride for three years now and no loss on the fun factor either. Love the riding position, seat and load capacity. No plans to change any time soon.
Ditto
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Of course you do. Who wouldn't?? :cool:
Lannis
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Just got back from a 4300 mile trip in the north west for 12 days and it was rock solid ,no problems and super comfortable. I love it.
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I am going to pick mine up in 16 days!!
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" I like my Stelvio..."
Me too...!
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Ditto here, best bike I have ever owned. Went on a 600 mile round trip to Maine couple of weeks ago, everything fine but I do need a more comfortable seat. End of season I will send it to Laam for new foam and better configuration. Was going to send it to Rich's custom seats but I am turned away by their use of gel to replace some of the foam - I have used a gel pad on other bikes, gel gets hot in the sun and retains the heat. Laam's in contrast uses all foam-for that reason.
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Ditto here, best bike I have ever owned. Went on a 600 mile round trip to Maine couple of weeks ago, everything fine but I do need a more comfortable seat. End of season I will send it to Laam for new foam and better configuration. Was going to send it to Rich's custom seats but I am turned away by their use of gel to replace some of the foam - I have used a gel pad on other bikes, gel gets hot in the sun and retains the heat. Laam's in contrast uses all foam-for that reason.
Russell
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Mine came with a Sargent Low seat, which I run on the bike's high setting. Pretty comfy, and a more stable perch than the OE seat, although the cover material and fitment isn't quite as nice or rugged as that on the OE seat.
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I like mine NOW but not sure if I'm going to like it in future.
If I'm hearing right, EVERY flat-tappet Stelvio is going to fail and trash the engine sometime at or before the 50K mile mark, and that each owner should pre-emptively strike and show Piaggio the trashed parts so you can install the upgrade on your own nickel, or have a shop do the job ($1500?). This doesn't appear to be a situation where I'm seeing a concentrated litany of failure because this is a Guzzi site and this is where we moan about stuff - I'm used to that. This looks like one where no one gets out alive. It's also not like buying a Honda ST1300 or something, where you may have the occasional failure but 95% of them will not need a major engine tear-down just about the time they're broken in.
Sort of takes away from the enjoyment of riding it. If I decide to do the upgrade, it will only be to sell it. It's the best bike I've ever owned for two-up riding, but I've got no patience with shoddy third-world metallurgy, which is why I bought a new Guzzi instead of a Royal Enfield, a Chang-Jiang, or an old Ural ....
Lannis
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Great picture.
On average, I trade bikes every two years. With each new bike I say "This is the bike I've always wanted, I love it and will never get rid of it." I've had my V7 Stone for two years. I still love it and it's the bike I've always wanted but I have to admit that I've recently started looking at the Stelvio.
Is the maintenance schedule similar to and easily done like on the V7?
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I like mine NOW but not sure if I'm going to like it in future.
If I'm hearing right, EVERY flat-tappet Stelvio is going to fail and trash the engine sometime at or before the 50K mile mark, and that each owner should pre-emptively strike and show Piaggio the trashed parts so you can install the upgrade on your own nickel, or have a shop do the job ($1500?). This doesn't appear to be a situation where I'm seeing a concentrated litany of failure because this is a Guzzi site and this is where we moan about stuff - I'm used to that. This looks like one where no one gets out alive. It's also not like buying a Honda ST1300 or something, where you may have the occasional failure but 95% of them will not need a major engine tear-down just about the time they're broken in.
Sort of takes away from the enjoyment of riding it. If I decide to do the upgrade, it will only be to sell it. It's the best bike I've ever owned for two-up riding, but I've got no patience with shoddy third-world metallurgy, which is why I bought a new Guzzi instead of a Royal Enfield, a Chang-Jiang, or an old Ural ....
Lannis
I understand your frustration. I had the benefit of buying later with additional knowledge in hand, and so bought a '13 that *should* be roller'd already. That said, with this particular issue at least once it's fixed it should stay fixed, which is more than can be said for certain other makes' known problems.
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Great picture.
On average, I trade bikes every two years. With each new bike I say "This is the bike I've always wanted, I love it and will never get rid of it." I've had my V7 Stone for two years. I still love it and it's the bike I've always wanted but I have to admit that I've recently started looking at the Stelvio.
Is the maintenance schedule similar to and easily done like on the V7?
Thank you. I'm not familiar with the V7's requirements but I imagine they're similar.
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Great picture.
Is the maintenance schedule similar to and easily done like on the V7?
Very similar maintenance. Many things are easier on the Stelvio (NTX), like replacing the fuel filter or air filter...don't have to remove the tank for either. Stelvio comes with a center stand so you get the benefits of getting the rear wheel off the ground and it's MUCH easier to change the rear wheel with that single sided swingarm. The Stelvio takes a standard spin on oil filter as opposed to the cartridge filter on the V7, thus much simpler to change.
I have both and would rather work on the Stelvio any day.
Peter Y.
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and GREAT for passengers!
Big kid tested(me), and wife approved :thumb:
Photo from our 1st Charity ride (Guide Dogs of America) and from romantic weekend outing/cabin rental in the mountains..
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(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a538/broughsuperior/Lisas%20Iron%20Butt%20043_zpsse0emcft.jpg) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/broughsuperior/media/Lisas%20Iron%20Butt%20043_zpsse0emcft.jpg.html)
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Harvey Mushman = Steve McQueen
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Very similar maintenance. Many things are easier on the Stelvio (NTX), like replacing the fuel filter or air filter...don't have to remove the tank for either. Stelvio comes with a center stand so you get the benefits of getting the rear wheel off the ground and it's MUCH easier to change the rear wheel with that single sided swingarm. The Stelvio takes a standard spin on oil filter as opposed to the cartridge filter on the V7, thus much simpler to change.
I have both and would rather work on the Stelvio any day.
Peter Y.
Err? How are you going to change the fuel filter without removing the tank? There's so much clutter around the pump mount that surely it's easier to just hoick the tank off and do it the easy way!
I'd also have to say that I'd think the V7 oil filter is a breeze compared to the 8V which is always a colossal pain in the arse!
Pete
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If I decide to do the upgrade, it will only be to sell it. It's the best bike I've ever owned for two-up riding, but I've got no patience with shoddy third-world metallurgy....
Lannis
As far as I can see, this is (was) the only real weakness of the Stelvio, and the latest iterations have solved that problem too. Evolution of the model. If you decide to have the conversion done, you'd be golden. Why would you then want to sell it? Just on principle?
I'm not closing my eyes to the problem, and I'm not happy about it either, but hey.. things break. It's still a wonderful machine and I've no plan to sell mine.
John
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Do the new(er) Stelvios come with heated grips? I don't see them listed on the Moto Guzzi site but thought I read somewhere that it does.
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As far as I can see, this is (was) the only real weakness of the Stelvio, and the latest iterations have solved that problem too. Evolution of the model. If you decide to have the conversion done, you'd be golden. Why would you then want to sell it? Just on principle?
I'm not closing my eyes to the problem, and I'm not happy about it either, but hey.. things break. It's still a wonderful machine and I've no plan to sell mine.
John
I might get over it. Right now I'm a bit cheesed off about it.
One, because thousand-dollar bills don't come quite as easily as they did when I was working.
Two, because motorcycle manufacturers have built probably 10,000,000 air-cooled motorcycles in the last 100 years where steel cams bump a cam follower to lift a valve, and there is NO EXCUSE for a manufacturer to butch that up. EVERYONE knows how to do it.
But NOOOOOO, we have to have "Progress" don't we? 60 horsepower isn't enough, we have to have 70 and 80 and 90 and 100, and in the meantime they forget the simplest, most basic things about how to build a motor. So now we can claim 140 MPH and fancy Engine Control Systems and this and that and t'other, and the motor blows up at a stage when my Cal II would just be breaking in ....
Like I said, I might get over it. If my new dealer will manage the procurement and installation of the parts, I might do it. I wouldn't dare trust myself to argue with someone from Piaggio over the phone about it - someone's feelings would be hurt.
Lannis
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... because motorcycle manufacturers have built probably 10,000,000 air-cooled motorcycles in the last 100 years where steel cams bump a cam follower to lift a valve, and there is NO EXCUSE for a manufacturer to butch that up. EVERYONE knows how to do it.
Lannis
Yep! Shouldn't really be rocket science.
But still, .... "I like my Stelvio" :-)
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I like mine NOW but not sure if I'm going to like it in future.
If I'm hearing right, EVERY flat-tappet Stelvio is going to fail and trash the engine sometime at or before the 50K mile mark, and that each owner should pre-emptively strike and show Piaggio the trashed parts so you can install the upgrade on your own nickel, or have a shop do the job ($1500?). This doesn't appear to be a situation where I'm seeing a concentrated litany of failure because this is a Guzzi site and this is where we moan about stuff - I'm used to that. This looks like one where no one gets out alive. It's also not like buying a Honda ST1300 or something, where you may have the occasional failure but 95% of them will not need a major engine tear-down just about the time they're broken in.
Sort of takes away from the enjoyment of riding it. If I decide to do the upgrade, it will only be to sell it. It's the best bike I've ever owned for two-up riding, but I've got no patience with shoddy third-world metallurgy, which is why I bought a new Guzzi instead of a Royal Enfield, a Chang-Jiang, or an old Ural ....
Lannis
I just found out mine should have rollers according to the VIN numbers which is a relief but it's maddening because I had an 09 Griso before the Stelvio and they went through the same damn exercise in 2010 - 2011 with the bearings . Why and I emphasize , why would they repeat the same problem on the Stelvio knowing about the weakness well before hand . Pretty frustrating and sure makes one wonder about the company and their ethics .
My next concern is clutch failure which has happened a fair bit here in our area with several being replaced in the last year . I have the "clutch groan" when the bike is cold which apparently is an indication of future problems . Piaggio will pay for the part but not the labor which will be extensive . I rode over the coastal mountains last week in pouring rain and only 5 degrees up high and the last thing you need to worry about is not making it because of clutch failure . Same situation , they won't spring for it until it gives out entirely .
The love , hate relationship will continue because I can't see myself riding anything else but in saying that I'm riding with a buddy to a Triumph dealership next week to trade in his Harley for a Tiger 800 . I'm going to take one for a spin so you never know , I could be converted . I've read a lot about them and they sound like a great ride . I rode a Triumph Sprint for a 4 years and never had a problem with it .
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The love , hate relationship will continue because I can't see myself riding anything else but in saying that I'm riding with a buddy to a Triumph dealership next week to trade in his Harley for a Tiger 800 . I'm going to take one for a spin so you never know , I could be converted . I've read a lot about them and they sound like a great ride . I rode a Triumph Sprint for a 4 years and never had a problem with it .
Same wavelength here. When I go in to the Guzzi dealer to talk solutions, I know he's going to have a nice new Triumph Trophy sport-tourer sitting there on the floor ....
Lannis
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Same wavelength here. When I go in to the Guzzi dealer to talk solutions, I know he's going to have a nice new Triumph Trophy sport-tourer sitting there on the floor ....
Lannis
A friend of mine has a Tiger 800 and it seems like a well built bike. It doesn't "move" me, but that's a very subjective thing. Riding behind him is not a good idea though, because the gears howl and the sound is tiring. And it's not really home service friendly. He has it serviced at the dealer, and the last one cost €700! Two of those and you've paid for your roller conversion! :grin:
John
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I like mine NOW but not sure if I'm going to like it in future.
If I'm hearing right, EVERY flat-tappet Stelvio is going to fail and trash the engine sometime at or before the 50K mile mark,
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Maybe for a Guzzi, 50K miles is still young. But for the average bike is getting 50K miles out of an engine before a necessary rebuild that ridiculous anyways?
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Maybe for a Guzzi, 50K miles is still young. But for the average bike is getting 50K miles out of an engine before a necessary rebuild that ridiculous anyways?
Anyone who doesn't ride a bike enough to be upset with only 50K engine life is a fairy-cake wannabe bar-hopping poser anyhow .... REAL riders' motorcycles go way over 100,000 miles before even considering needed clutches, piston rings, and other normal engine wear items. Cams, cranks, transmissions, valve trains - 250,000 miles or it didn't happen ....
That's why you're correct in saying "Maybe for a Guzzi" ... it's why we own the things and put up with the "character" ....
My Suzuki Water Buffalo was sold at 80,000 miles and had had nothing done to it except chains, sprockets, tires, and cables. Now THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Lannis
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Do the new(er) Stelvios come with heated grips? I don't see them listed on the Moto Guzzi site but thought I read somewhere that it does.
Heated grips are a dealer installed option. Mine have been on order for over three weeks and have not arrived at the dealer yet.
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Anyone who doesn't ride a bike enough to be upset with only 50K engine life is a fairy-cake wannabe bar-hopping poser anyhow .... REAL riders' motorcycles go way over 100,000 miles before even considering needed clutches, piston rings, and other normal engine wear items. Cams, cranks, transmissions, valve trains - 250,000 miles or it didn't happen ....
That's why you're correct in saying "Maybe for a Guzzi" ... it's why we own the things and put up with the "character" ....
My Suzuki Water Buffalo was sold at 80,000 miles and had had nothing done to it except chains, sprockets, tires, and cables. Now THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Lannis
Lannis, it's nothing to do with 'Character' as far as I'm concerned. I really like the design, it is simple and elegant and delivers what I want like nothing else.
As far as the cam failure issue goes it does piss me off. Not so much because they didn't do sufficient testing before the motor was launched but because it would appear that once they knew about the problem and decided that a materials/manufacturing change to the flat tappet design wasn't going to cure the issue they continued to manufacture and sell a product they were expecting to fail and have to rectify later down the track once a reliable solution had been found.
Is that what was done? I don't know for sure but the fact that they started shimming the valve springs back in 2010 and marking the heads for easy identification down the track a full two years before the 1200's started getting the roller top end doesn't smell pretty to me. If it is true that this sort of deceit occurred it would, I would imagine, be very hard to prove but it doesn't sit well with me and makes me deeply uncomfortable.
Pete
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I liked my Stelvio at first, but now I'm getting to love it.
The Tiger 800 was on my shortlist before buying the Stelvio, close to the top of the list in fact. Until I rode one. It did't do anything wrong, but it was boring to ride.
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Rented a Stelvio from Agostini my first trip to Italy, very nice machine but a little too tall for me. Ran like a champ for the 3 weeks in Italy, just wish my legs were a little longer :)
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Rented a Stelvio from Agostini my first trip to Italy, very nice machine but a little too tall for me. Ran like a champ for the 3 weeks in Italy, just wish my legs were a little longer :)
Yes, these big dual-sport type machines inherently are tall in order to provide needed ground clearance for the few riders who use them as they were designed on an occasional offroad jaunt.
My long time riding friend who bought one of the first Stelvio models was of short stature and had a few problems with it. Not wanting to lower the suspension, he had his riding boots re-soled with 1 1/4" platform soles that did the trick for him.
He used to joke that he wished he could just as easily add 1 1/4" to other things ....
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Yes, these big dual-sport type machines inherently are tall in order to provide needed ground clearance for the few riders who use them as they were designed on an occasional offroad jaunt.
My long time riding friend who bought one of the first Stelvio models was of short stature and had a few problems with it. Not wanting to lower the suspension, he had his riding boots re-soled with 1 1/4" platform soles that did the trick for him.
He used to joke that he wished he could just as easily add 1 1/4" to other things ....
Now there's an idea. If and when the Bassa is finished, a Stelvio might be in order. I gotta say though, my 675 is the perfect bike for the roads I'll be travelling in our new home in Italy :)
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The 675 is a nice bike but still a sewing machine compared to the lumpy characeter of the big Guzzi twin.
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The 675 is a nice bike but still a sewing machine compared to the lumpy characeter of the big Guzzi twin.
Took this photo in 2013, these guys show up by the dozens in spring and summer to ride the roads around the mountains. By the way, the photo was taken only 4 doors away from what will be our apartment :thumb:
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The end of the video is just where we'll be living....
https://youtu.be/xLCFy2AtInE
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I like your Stelvio too.
I keep thinking another adventure bike is in my future - was toying between a used Stelvio or 800GS BMW. But now Honda's gone and announced the new Africa Twin, which (being a Honda) should be virtually indestructible and low-maintenance. Probably will have more character than the GS, but less than the Stelvio - and appears to be more off-road worthy than either.
But my garage is "all Italian" at moment...
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Hoooo boy, I really like it now. This weekend featured a fresh valve adjustment, throttle body balance, Mistral slip-on install, and an updated map courtesy of Xlratr. I had a little difficulty with the spark plug caps due to my hamfistedness, but I got that sorted thanks to good folks here. The engine is running better than ever, smooth and ever so delicious sounding. :thumb:
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Hoooo boy, I really like it now. This weekend featured a fresh valve adjustment, throttle body balance, Mistral slip-on install, and an updated map courtesy of Xlratr. I had a little difficulty with the spark plug caps thanks to my hamfistedness, but I got that sorted thanks to good folks here. The engine is running better than ever, smooth and ever so delicious sounding. :thumb:
Hi there HM. Since I did the roller conversion I've been trimming the map to work better with the new set up. I'll send you an updated one in a few days.
All the best
John
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Hi there HM. Since I did the roller conversion I've been trimming the map to work better with the new set up. I'll send you an updated one in a few days.
All the best
John
Cool, John, thanks!
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Modern bikes are going much further...I know of a couple FJR1300s and ST1100s with over 300,000 miles on them, with the engines untouched. Even lowly CBR600s are going past 200,000 miles.
I still love my Stelvio too, but I am dreading the roller conversion just because it is such a pain in the ass dealing with a dealer 5.5 hours away.
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I went to the dealer and sat on one today. I was hoping it was going to be too tall and/or too heavy so that I could forget about getting one. It was neither and I quite liked it. One thing I noticed was that it had a plastic tank. Has anyone had any problems with the plastic tank swelling from using gas with ethanol and/or letting it sit with ethanol in the tank?
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I have not heard of any issues with the Stelvios. also, all plastic tanks are not the same. The big issue is with ones constructed of certain type of nylon (Ducati Monsters) that will absorb water. That is the actual issue with certain plastic tanks on motorcycles. The ethanol in the gas can absorb water, the water gets absorbed by the plastic and the plastic swells. That is why Ducati switched to a plastic tank with a beauty cover for the late model Monsters (before the new 1200 and 821 which have steel tanks).
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MGM. Man's. Greatest. Motorcycle.
Tappets be damned. Even after going through the roller conversion, I'd still buy the thing again.
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Is the tappets issue resolved with the 2013s and forward?
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Is the tappets issue resolved with the 2013s and forward?
(Sigh.) Yes, but some people will never believe it.
Pete
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I just picked up my stelvio today and put 530 miles on it. My first impressions are all great so far. After 7 years of working on my V Strom to dial it in, this bike is better out of the box. The only things I need to get used to is the rear brake. It feels a little low and not as strong as im used to. I was assured it was normal and the abs bikes are like that. I also got in a situation for about 40 miles of hills where I was dropping rpm going up hill and I had to keep accelerating through this resonance point. And some how one of my mirror mount turn signals is out. A pic of the bulb pops up on the dash sometimes. Hopefully just a bulb. Other than that, I am smitten with it so far.
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A friend of mine has a Tiger 800 and it seems like a well built bike. It doesn't "move" me, but that's a very subjective thing. Riding behind him is not a good idea though, because the gears howl and the sound is tiring. And it's not really home service friendly. He has it serviced at the dealer, and the last one cost �700! Two of those and you've paid for your roller conversion! :grin:
John
I agree. I had a 955 for a while and liked it, and rode my buddy's 800 a couple months ago for about 40 miles thru the country. Nice bike, great ergos, but was very happy to pop back on my 1200 Sport at the end. And my buddy wasn't falling over himself to give it back....
Steve
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I just picked up my stelvio today and put 530 miles on it. My first impressions are all great so far. After 7 years of working on my V Strom to dial it in, this bike is better out of the box. The only things I need to get used to is the rear brake. It feels a little low and not as strong as im used to. I was assured it was normal and the abs bikes are like that. I also got in a situation for about 40 miles of hills where I was dropping rpm going up hill and I had to keep accelerating through this resonance point. And some how one of my mirror mount turn signals is out. A pic of the bulb pops up on the dash sometimes. Hopefully just a bulb. Other than that, I am smitten with it so far.
The mirror-mounted turn signals are a known issue -- install the Euro signals in the fairing, and switch to the standard mirrors. For the resonance, make sure the bike is well-tuned, and consider a installing a new ECU map with Guzzidiag. Also, if it hasn't been looked at yet, check the wiring to the auxiliary lights, and install fuses in them (as close to the power source as possible).
As with all Guzzis, it seems, there are a few niggling issues to address before long-term joy ensues... :grin:.
Cheers,
Shaun
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Still diggin' it.
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Heated grips are a dealer installed option. Mine have been on order for over three weeks and have not arrived at the dealer yet.
I'd get aftermarket ones, I have the dealer installed factory heaters and they're pretty lame.
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Same wavelength here. When I go in to the Guzzi dealer to talk solutions, I know he's going to have a nice new Triumph Trophy sport-tourer sitting there on the floor ....
Lannis
And he DID have a nice new Triumph Trophy 1215 triple sports tourer sitting there on the floor.
And Fay had had enough of the wrangling with Piaggio to help us (not fix it, but just help) fix a problem that was totally theirs and affected every single 8 valve; she learned about the Triumph, discussed it with me, and we bought it.
That way we had an out - if Piaggio didn't come through or the dealer wasn't successful, we had an out already; part out the Stelvio and forget it. If they DID come through and presented me with a nice, fixed Stelvio, I had the option to keep it or sell it as a runner with a clear conscience.
Turns out we kept both - friends from England came over, took over the Stelvio, and we rode together for 10 days last May all over the SE USA, Fay and I on the Triumph. We might do it again.
Since then, it's been very nice to have the choice of Triumph or Stelvio for any long trip that Fay and I might decide to take ..... !
Lannis
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Still pretty pleased . . .
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Stelvio/Stelvio-/i-kCB8kpc/0/f91a6531/X5/IMG_0505-X5.jpg)
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I'm very happy with mine even after having to rollerize it AND spend about 6 months chasing down a misfire that turned out to be the left plug wire outside the coil output, zip tied to the frame. Was like that so long it deteriorated the coil tower so it arced to ground. Drove me to drink for awhile[ wasn't a long trip]. All good now, runs magnificently, handles like it's on rails. Thanks to Pete Roper and Harper's MG.
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I like mine....
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