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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: M0T0Geezer on September 09, 2015, 04:19:49 PM
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A new age has dawned where snipers may become more and more more dangerous to motorcyclists.
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Meh, I'm way more worried about those around me driving while texting/eating/generally being a dumbass. They pose a much greater threat to riders every day, and in much larger numbers.
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That's your NRA working to preserve your 2nd amendment rights. :thumb:
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I, too, am much more worried about idiot cagers trying to kill me on my commute. I am willing to take my chances with terrorist snipers.
Still, it is a sad state of affairs. Now, where's my gun so I can return fire? Ah, here it is:
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/motorcycle-revolver-holster-leather-saddle.jpg)
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Humm, let's see here. Revolver on the right side...looks really cool. Now, to actually use said machine one must take the right hand off the throttle, grab the pistol, shoot, and still stay on the road. I guess the shooter is counting on coasting while shooting. Basically it's a dumb idea.
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Humm, let's see here. Revolver on the right side...looks really cool. Now, to actually use said machine one must take the right hand off the throttle, grab the pistol, shoot, and still stay on the road. I guess the shooter is counting on coasting while shooting. Basically it's a dumb idea.
Just having it in plain site does wonders for most folk.
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Throttle Lock!
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Humm, let's see here. Revolver on the right side...looks really cool. Now, to actually use said machine one must take the right hand off the throttle, grab the pistol, shoot, and still stay on the road. I guess the shooter is counting on coasting while shooting. Basically it's a dumb idea.
Just for show anyhow. He's supposed to be making it look like a cowboy holster and a cowboy saddle. Might not even be a shootable gun, like the MG-42s you sometimes see on Urals looking to be like old Wehrmacht BMWs.
Urban legend would have it that Indian put the throttle on the left so that a motor cop could draw and shoot with his right hand while moving. Yeah, now THERE's something that police departments would train their officers to do ..... ! :azn:
Lannis
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Right side, left side... How about standing up and down the middle?
(http://www.dpccars.com/gallery/var/albums/Cops-in-Mexico-showing-off-their-motorcycle-riding-skills/Cops%20in%20Mexico%20showing%20off%20their%20motorcycle%20riding%20skills.jpg?m=1425663011)
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You'd have to be a pretty good shot to hit your mark with a pistol, while riding a motorcycle, looks like a lot of show.
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Meh, I'm way more worried about those around me driving while texting/eating/generally being a dumbass. They pose a much greater threat to riders every day, and in much larger numbers.
:1: Agreed.
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Humm, let's see here. Revolver on the right side...looks really cool. Now, to actually use said machine one must take the right hand off the throttle, grab the pistol, shoot, and still stay on the road. I guess the shooter is counting on coasting while shooting. Basically it's a dumb idea.
Can you spell cruise control?
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You'd have to be a pretty good shot to hit your mark with a pistol, while riding a motorcycle, looks like a lot of show.
Not so much as you think. I sometimes practice shooting 5 gallon pails with my .45 while riding. I hit quite a bit more than I miss. It is like everything else, practice makes perfect.
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You'd have to be a pretty good shot to hit your mark with a pistol, while riding a motorcycle, looks like a lot of show.
I was when I was younger. I wore the pistol in a holster on the left side and would go out in the desert and practice drawing and shooting while riding across open desert. I got pretty good at it and all the jack rabbits in that territory hated me.
I chased one zig zagging and shooting for about a half mile dodging about and occasionally shooting until he ran out into the
middle of a jeep trail and stopped facing me and gasping for breath. I stopped about 8 feet away and pointed the pistol but did not shoot. He just stared at me defiantly as if to say, "go ahead shoot, I've run far enough." For that defiance I let him go.
He had given me a good run.
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Can you spell cruise control?
Anyone can spell cruise control. The question is -- can you install it?
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Just having it in plain site does wonders for most folk.
Maybe there's one on the left side, too.
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If I can hit a deer with a .30-30 while on horse back I should be able to hit a sniper with my revolver while riding my Eldorado. It has throttle lock and my revolver has laser sights and I always carry.
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It is absolutely amazing how much more space you get on the highway if you have 1" of a black holster protruding from beneath your jacket. Cars that never see you now see you from a block away. It astounds me how drivers pick out that detail when they can miss a whole motorcycle.
If you don't believe this try it some time, ride with a pistol on your hip and see how drivers change.
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Honestly, I'm more concerned about being taken out by deer, other motorists and the numerous truck re-treads scattered on the roadways. One of those giant rubber clam shell almost killed me on I-80 not too long ago.
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Honestly, I'm more concerned about being taken out by deer, other motorists and the numerous truck re-treads scattered on the roadways. One of those giant rubber clam shell almost killed me on I-80 not too long ago.
I get flamed on this but I am going to say it again anyway, you can *greatly* reduce your risk from deer strikes by doing a little research on deer habits and psychology. They have definite patterns and preferences to where they cross roads and if you pay extra attention in the higher risk localities you can avoid or be prepared for most if not all of the encounters.
I have been riding for 40+ years, almost all of that in areas with dense deer populations and have never touched a deer with a bike. I have had a couple of close calls but being alert and prepared has allowed me to avoid them.
Deer are not magical or conniving creatures. They hate getting run in to almost as much as you hate running in to them.
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You have a picture of the giant rubber clamshell. The ones I googled were for sale on Ebay.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51h8DNhB7eL._SL1000_.jpg)
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I get flamed on this but I am going to say it again anyway, you can *greatly* reduce your risk from deer strikes by doing a little research on deer habits and psychology. They have definite patterns and preferences to where they cross roads and if you pay extra attention in the higher risk localities you can avoid or be prepared for most if not all of the encounters.
I have been riding for 40+ years, almost all of that in areas with dense deer populations and have never touched a deer with a bike. I have had a couple of close calls but being alert and prepared has allowed me to avoid them.
Deer are not magical or conniving creatures. They hate getting run in to almost as much as you hate running in to them.
So, since you were expecting to get flamed anyway, here it is.
I honestly don't believe that you've been riding in "dense deer populations" all this time, and that you still believe that "being alert" will save you from a deer strike. You don't know what "dense deer populations" are.
You've been rapping this B.S. for years on this list, to the degree that I was glad you went away for awhile. Now you're back, saying all this same deer smack again. People are liable to start believing it.
NEITHER YOU, NOR ANYONE ELSE, CAN AVOID A CANNON SHOT FROM A DEER RUNNING 30 MPH DIRECTLY OUT OF DENSE BRUSH INTO THE SIDE OF YOUR VEHICLE. Certainly you can avoid running into a deer that is standing in the road, or that you can see running or walking toward a road.
But the careful people that are killed by deer do NOT run into the deer. The deer runs into THEM, either from a quarter where they NEVER see it, or where they have a fraction of a second to see it.
I've had TWO vehicles, a Ford Aerostar van and a Buick LeSabre, totalled by deer that smashed into them from the side. The Aerostar was running 10 MPH in my driveway and a deer hit it from the rear quarter. Two weeks later, ANOTHER deer hit it from the side at night. Our Buick was totalled by a buck running at top speed coming from the driver's side. I slowed, took evasive action, almost had the car stopped, and the deer changed direction and hit the car on the driver's door hinge to the degree that the door wouldn't even open.
Your implication is that guys like Lawrence Grodsky, if they'd just been careful like you, could avoid deer. NOBODY can avoid some deer, and it sounds arrogant and self-righteous to imply that you can.
People who really do live in deer country can compare notes and decide who's B.S.'ing.
Lannis
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You have a picture of the giant rubber clamshell. The ones I googled were for sale on Ebay.
More like this only in my case it was sitting vertically in the middle of the road. I held my breath running it over as there was no place to go given that particular scenario and hoped that my tires didn't blow out.
(http://www.truckinginfo.com/fc_images/articles/m-hdtmar13-flattire-1.jpg)
Deer, sorry but I'm with Lannis on this one and I'm quite familiar with were he lives as my sister in law has totaled at least two cars due to deer strikes along with other minor? hits. I crashed once trying to avoid a deer and I was looking for it but it happened too fast. But, better them then the Moose crossing signs in upstate NY.
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So, since you were expecting to get flamed anyway, here it is.
I honestly don't believe that you've been riding in "dense deer populations" all this time, and that you still believe that "being alert" will save you from a deer strike. You don't know what "dense deer populations" are.
You've been rapping this B.S. for years on this list, to the degree that I was glad you went away for awhile. Now you're back, saying all this same deer smack again. People are liable to start believing it.
NEITHER YOU, NOR ANYONE ELSE, CAN AVOID A CANNON SHOT FROM A DEER RUNNING 30 MPH DIRECTLY OUT OF DENSE BRUSH INTO THE SIDE OF YOUR VEHICLE. Certainly you can avoid running into a deer that is standing in the road, or that you can see running or walking toward a road.
But the careful people that are killed by deer do NOT run into the deer. The deer runs into THEM, either from a quarter where they NEVER see it, or where they have a fraction of a second to see it.
I've had TWO vehicles, a Ford Aerostar van and a Buick LeSabre, totalled by deer that smashed into them from the side. The Aerostar was running 10 MPH in my driveway and a deer hit it from the rear quarter. Two weeks later, ANOTHER deer hit it from the side at night. Our Buick was totalled by a buck running at top speed coming from the driver's side. I slowed, took evasive action, almost had the car stopped, and the deer changed direction and hit the car on the driver's door hinge to the degree that the door wouldn't even open.
Your implication is that guys like Lawrence Grodsky, if they'd just been careful like you, could avoid deer. NOBODY can avoid some deer, and it sounds arrogant and self-righteous to imply that you can.
People who really do live in deer country can compare notes and decide who's B.S.'ing.
Lannis
My riding time has been in North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota and Maine.. All prime dense deer populations. I not only *can* avoid deer I *do* avoid deer, and so can others if they are just aware of their deer populations and the habits and psychology of deer.
It is you sir, who are doing a disservice by trying to get people to believe that deer are magical creatures you can not avoid so you might as well not try. Talking people in to believing there is nothing they can do to help themselves is the surest way to get people hurt and you are doing others a great disservice by spreading that pap.
To be safe you have to know and understand the risks you are going to encounter and develop the skills and strategies you need to avoid or manage them. This includes deer and road hazards and other drivers. If you are not willing to accept and deal with these risks then you are better off staying off the roads. If you honestly believe there is nothing you can do about deer and other hazards then you need to get yourself a giant SUV and just plow on through.
Please stop encouraging people to ride their motorcycles unprepared for the challenges they will face on the road.
Man up.
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The problem with studying up on deer psychology and habits is that it only works if the deer read the same book. Unless you can assure me that all deer have library cards and use them, I'll continue to ride as though there's one lurking in every shadow and dip.
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Sorry, he's not saying to not be alert for them. He is saying that sometimes, no matter how careful you are, you can get hit. You can see the deer, slow down to a stop, and the darn buck will ram you anyway. Happened to my wife driving through a residential area.
She saw the buck on the side of the road about 50yds ahead. As she approached where he was (about 30ft off the side of the road) she slowed to about 10mph. When the buck charged she stopped the car before he hit. The passenger door was dented and window broken out.
Tell me please how she could have avoided that? Maybe by not going to the store that day. And, no not early morning or evening. It was around 1pm in the afternoon.
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In my neck of the woods, only way I can avoid deer would be to not ride in certain areas and definetly not at night, dawn, dusk, hunting season, during the rut... And to ride only in open areas where you can see flat fields for at least a quarter mile in all directions, and if you see a deer, turn around and go in the opposite direction.
I once read that you can't know what a deer is going to do because they don't know what they are going to do. Except of course be unpredictable.
My deer encounter 11 months ago had a buck jump over a guard rail from a ravine into my path giving me only a blink before impact. Didn't have time to ask him to lie down on a couch and tell me how he felt about the situation. I guess I could have avoided it by not being there on a bike, but I do like to ride anyway! :evil:
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The problem with studying up on deer psychology and habits is that it only works if the deer read the same book. Unless you can assure me that all deer have library cards and use them, I'll continue to ride as though there's one lurking in every shadow and dip.
lol.. well of course you need to learn about the habitat in the area you are riding in.. and there is nothing wrong with constant vigilance and looking in every shadow and dip. I definitely do the same thing. On some level I think we are preaching the same thing from different directions. Stay alert, be prepared, stay alive.
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PS, me? Never hit one. In all the years of driving/riding around sunup and sun down, night driving, etc, etc I have never hit one. It is not because I am extra vigilent. I have been lucky.
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I once read that you can't know what a deer is going to do because they don't know what they are going to do. Except of course be unpredictable.
This is definitely one of the things to understand about deer. When startled they bolt in some random direction. That direction can even be directly toward what startled them.
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Sorry, he's not saying to not be alert for them. He is saying that sometimes, no matter how careful you are, you can get hit. You can see the deer, slow down to a stop, and the darn buck will ram you anyway. Happened to my wife driving through a residential area.
She saw the buck on the side of the road about 50yds ahead. As she approached where he was (about 30ft off the side of the road) she slowed to about 10mph. When the buck charged she stopped the car before he hit. The passenger door was dented and window broken out.
Tell me please how she could have avoided that? Maybe by not going to the store that day. And, no not early morning or evening. It was around 1pm in the afternoon.
Maybe instead of stopping she could have accelerated and got out of his way? Or turned instead of insisting on driving right by the deer? Or made some noise?
So what is your solution? Stop riding? Tuck your head and hope for the best? Please let's do better than that..
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The ones I can see don't scare me as much as the ones I don't see unitl they are bolting out of the trees or jumping the guard rail from a creek bed.
I have to admit riding right after my crash in the same circumstances had me puckered up, and it hasn't gone away much. As I contemplate commuting to work this fall, I am a bit more concerned. Been riding on the street for over 40 years and the first 39 were deer strike free. I figure it's a time and chance sort of thing with the ones you can't see till they hit you.
Don't like rubber rooms at all. :shocked:
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The ones I can see don't scare me as much as the ones I don't see unitl they are bolting out of the trees or jumping the guard rail from a creek bed.
I have to admit riding right after my crash in the same circumstances had me puckered up, and it hasn't gone away much. As I contemplate commuting to work this fall, I am a bit more concerned. Been riding on the street for over 40 years and the first 39 were deer strike free. I figure it's a time and chance sort of thing with the ones you can't see till they hit you.
Don't like rubber rooms at all. :shocked:
I agree about the rubber rooms. I would hate to live in a nerf world.
This is part of what I am saying. Learning where the most likely places for deer to bolt from so that you can recognize them and be extra vigilant in those areas is a big part of not hurting deer.
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Just because the thread drift has gone so far.. here is a good article that gives you some clues for when you *can* see the deer..
http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/articles/8-messages-deer-send-hunters-with-their-tails
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Maybe instead of stopping she could have accelerated and got out of his way? Or turned instead of insisting on driving right by the deer? Or made some noise?
So what is your solution? Stop riding? Tuck your head and hope for the best? Please let's do better than that..
The solution is for YOU to "man up" and realize that you can very well DIE riding a motorcycle and there might not be anything you can do about it.
The solution is not to stop riding. The solution is not to "encourage people not to ride" because they're "scared".
You're the one that's scared. You don't want to admit that a mindless 150 pound hurtling bit of grazing protein can take Atavar from this world to eternity.
The venison psychobabble about knowing local deer habits and watching their tails so you can have a better chance to avoid them is just that, babble. People that have hit them (and you can watch plenty of GoPro videos on YouTube) will tell you that they had anywhere from 0 seconds (never saw it, it came from behind) or a fraction of a second (first saw it when the forequarters were 3 feet from their fender) reaction time; talking about watching their "tails" or some similar manifestation of deer psychology is simply the justification of someone who doesn't want to face his own mortality to keep riding, without "manning up" and facing reality.
So face it. You could die on a bike due to a deer, and there's NOTHING you can do to reduce that probability to zero, no matter how you snap your suspenders and say "Yup, I've read up on the Baldwin County deer, I could'a stayed outa HIS way, too bad you didn't ..."
Lannis
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I call BS on every one of your statements. I am not afraid, I am handling my environment and the risks that are in it. You are the one that is hiding his head in the sand because you don't think you are capable of educating yourself to make you and your passengers safer. The are many many things you can do to minimize the risks that are there when you ride. if you do not do what you can to ride safer then you are the ones that are avoiding reality and leaving your futures to fate.
The reality is this, in 40 years of riding i have never hit a deer. How is your philosophy working for you? Whose philosophy is actually working here? Mine or all the people who have hit deer and say there is nothing they can do about it?
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Two words for you: Deer whistles.
EVERYBODY KNOWS deer whistles are scientifically proven to whistle deer. It's on the internet, even. But how many wadded up bikes do you see sporting both deer whistles and deer hair? Smart people get all educated to death believing deer whistles create this magic force field through which no deer may penetrate. But nobody explains to the deer how it's supposed to behave when whistled at.
My point being that I don't think it helps to 'educate' oneself on a population of deer unless you and the deer sit down and agree to play by the rules you 'learned.'
I think all that happens when a guy convinces himself he's too educated to get into trouble is that he makes bad assumptions and becomes complacent at a level only Darwin can sort out. If on the other hand a guy's assumption is simply that everything out can potentially kill him, he's a more cautious and defensive rider.
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Time for a little fatalism,folks: it's not a bad idea to have some understanding of deer behavior, hours when they're most active, rutting season, etc., but they're ultimately unpredictable and that's just the way it is. It helps if you don't ride at night (I seldom do, as I like an adult beverage or two around sundown), but deer are ultimately just one of the hazards we've all accepted as riders. Life is full of all sorts of risks, but we've made the decision that riding is well worth whatever incremental risk addition that entails. None of us gets out alive -- I'll try to enjoy it while it lasts.
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Time for a little fatalism,folks: it's not a bad idea to have some understanding of deer behavior, hours when they're most active, rutting season, etc., but they're ultimately unpredictable and that's just the way it is. It helps if you don't ride at night (I seldom do, as I like an adult beverage or two around sundown), but deer are ultimately just one of the hazards we've all accepted as riders. Life is full of all sorts of risks, but we've made the decision that riding is well worth whatever incremental risk addition that entails. None of us gets out alive -- I'll try to enjoy it while it lasts.
Yep. :1: to that!
Lannis
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I used to ride with a guy who was convinced that the Kawasaki Concours (the old one), made noise that attracted deer. He had killed 2 of them in the Texas Hill Country and totaled 2 bikes. I hit one on my Concours in Lake City CO. Just a fender bender, the deer and the bike were OK but the pucker factor was off the charts. Had deer fur stuck between some plastic pieces on the bike. This happened to me at night. I don't ride at night in deer country any more if possible.
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Obviously Lannis like Mr Carlson better than he likes me . :grin:
Dusty
All right, then, :1: to the TWO posts above mine .... :thumb:
You've got to get used to saying something on WG and no one responds, and then someone else says the same thing later as you did and gets a response like "Yeah, now that's what I'm talking 'bout!". It's the price paid for high post frequency - people can't read them all or start skipping over them. I've only got half your post rate and it happens ....
Lannis
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That's your NRA working to preserve your 2nd amendment rights. :thumb:
Or a result of lack of enforcement of current laws. We now have arrived a the point in the USA where guilt is assumed and innocence cost money.
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Or a result of lack of enforcement of current laws. We now have arrived a the point in the USA where guilt is assumed and innocence cost money.
They're hard to count, but smart guys have estimated that there are 30,000 gun laws on the books today. How in the world are they going to enforce all of them?
Generally, people who shoot other people have already violated about 10 gun laws before they pull the trigger.
So it's VERY obvious to the most reasonable observer that what we need is MORE gun laws. "Reasonable" ones, mind. That way there will be a few more laws that no one will enforce. But think how much better we'll FEEL!
Lannis
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Honestly, I'm more concerned about being taken out by deer, other motorists and the numerous truck re-treads scattered on the roadways. One of those giant rubber clam shell almost killed me on I-80 not too long ago.
Me! Yesterday! Interstate 55 somewhere in central Illinois.
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yeah, those things worry me too. Not too long ago in heavy freeway traffic one appeared bouncing out from under the SUV in front of me. I guess he couldn't avoid it.. there were a couple of tense moments and some quick maneuvers that probably left a permanent pucker mark in my seat. Luckily I was able to squeeze between it and the car in the lane beside me.
It sure teaches a guy to pay attention and keep a grip on the bars at all times.
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Yeah , but you write 10 times as many words :grin: Really , I was just amazed that you agreed with the idea of risk acceptance :thumb: :thumb:
Dusty
Risk acceptance is a reality we must all come to grips with. Having said that it is always good to educate yourself as much as possible as to the nature of the risks and the means to ameliorate them as much as possible. We should not just shrug our shoulders and wait for the bullet with our name on it.
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yeah, those things worry me too. Not too long ago in heavy freeway traffic one appeared bouncing out from under the SUV in front of me. I guess he couldn't avoid it.. there were a couple of tense moments and some quick maneuvers that probably left a permanent pucker mark in my seat. Luckily I was able to squeeze between it and the car in the lane beside me.
It sure teaches a guy to pay attention and keep a grip on the bars at all times.
I have had good results watching what the vehicle, or two, in front of me is dealing with and that helps me prepare and maneuver quicker.
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Yeah , but you write 10 times as many words :grin: Really , I was just amazed that you agreed with the idea of risk acceptance :thumb: :thumb:
Dusty
If I didn't believe in risk acceptance, I wouldn't go out on the road unless I was in a Volvo with 8 airbags and a roll cage ....
In 1986, it all got to me at once when my youngest boy was 1 year old and I considered what would happen if I got taken out by one of the unavoidable things that can kill you on a bike that wouldn't even hurt you in a car, and I pulled my Harley Davidson off the road into a body shop, traded it for a huge GMC Jimmy V8, and didn't ride for 10 years.
You can get skillful as you can, and armor up as much as possible, and ride at a reasonable speed with your eyeballs and head on swivels, and have a defensive attitude, but some things can still get you despite all that:
In order of likelihood in this part of the country and on the roads I ride:
1) A deer leaping onto you from the brush on the side of the road.
2) A retread blowing off the truck you are passing.
3) A person waiting to make a turn in front of you suddenly punching the gas right in that window where you can't avoid it.
4) A patch of antifreeze or diesel recently spilled on the road.
5) Something falling off a truck in front of you (like an aluminum ladder)
6) A blown front tire throwing you off a bridge, into a wire "guardrail" or under a truck.
Those are real, and the sharpest, faster, carefullest rider will be killed by them if they happen at the wrong time and place, whereas if you are in a car, it's a mere inconvenience.
So of course we take those risks every day. Only someone in deep denial of their mortality will fool themselves into thinking that they won't die if the wrong thing happens, and their death will be because they chose a motorcycle instead of a car in which to travel.
I got over it and got back on bikes and hope to live happily ever after .....
Lannis
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Lannis,
Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything you said. I just go on to say that for all of those things there are things you can do to at least reduce the risk.
Even taking a shower or eating a hamburger includes some level of risk, and we do have to accept some risk or just not live. At the same time we should do what we can to be safe.
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yeah, those things worry me too. Not too long ago in heavy freeway traffic one appeared bouncing out from under the SUV in front of me. I guess he couldn't avoid it.. there were a couple of tense moments and some quick maneuvers that probably left a permanent pucker mark in my seat. Luckily I was able to squeeze between it and the car in the lane beside me.
It sure teaches a guy to pay attention and keep a grip on the bars at all times.
And to not tailgate! :thumb:
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What amazes me about the critters is how they can run WOT thru a forest of dense trees without hitting one, but can't avoid running into something as large as a car. Perhaps it's an evolutionary thing ...... they have learned to deal with trees over the past several thousand years; cars are a relatively new thing to them. Maybe in time ...........
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Trees don't move.. ;)
In many years of hunting I have seen critters run in to trees, fall off cliffs, trip over rocks, step in holes.. they aren't as agile as you think. Watch a deer try to walk across a frozen river some time, it's hilarious..
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I think what throws them off is that a vehicle is moving, trees are not. Then again maybe we don't see the ones that were killed when they ran into a tree. :grin:
Stuff happens. I found a dead sparrow that was dead and impailed in the breast by a hedge tree thorn.
GliderJohn
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I think what throws them off is that a vehicle is moving, trees are not. Then again maybe we don't see the ones that were killed when they ran into a tree. :grin:
Stuff happens. I found a dead sparrow that was dead and impailed in the breast by a hedge tree thorn.
GliderJohn
Yeah , saw a squirrel bonk into a tree limb , kinda knocked him silly for a moment , then he looked around to see if there were any witnesses . The other squirrels were saying things like , " Yep , ol Bob there , he might be gettin in the hooch again" :grin:
Dusty
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Trees don't move.. ;)
In many years of hunting I have seen critters run in to trees, fall off cliffs, trip over rocks, step in holes.. they aren't as agile as you think. Watch a deer try to walk across a frozen river some time, it's hilarious..
This reminded me of my beloved deceased Great Dane, Cheese(Danish). He was very fast and loved being chased, perhaps because he knew how fast he was. He seemed to revel in it. No one could catch him in his prime. I once measured 12ft between footfalls after he ran past in the snow. Anyway, he might have been fast in a straight line but once up to speed he could not change direction well. In fact, one of his favorite things in the world (besides cat poop) was to run right at you and pass so close you could feel the wind. I quickly learned to stand perfectly still and not, under any circumstances, move in anticipation of hisdecision of which side of me he would pass. He was a small Dane at 140lbs but at speed he could definitely hurt you if he hit you. And so it became a game with us. I'd crouch down and look at him, it was the signal. He would immediately charge straight at me from 50 or 60 feet away and just brush me as he passed by my immobile person. Quite thrilling for both of us!
Not so much with the motor vehicle-deer interface. My experience with deer has thankfully not included intimate contact, well, one did run into my car once, but I've seen enough deer on roads ahead of me to observe their inability to find traction on pavement. They sometimes get in the road and stop, then try to jump out of the way, or run away but in any event they cannot get that big initial jump which normally, in the woods, saved their life. Or, they are running full tilt through the woods and emerge from the side of the road at 40mph. Could they change direction even if they wanted? I have no over-riding philosophy regarding wildlife, Dogs, flat tires, aggressive cagers, or texters while I'm on a bike, but certainly am aware of them and do my best to be elsewhere.
Best,
Peter
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I have hunted deer nearly all my life, from age 14 anyway, quit hunting about 5 or 6 years ago. You both are right, if you frequent deer areas at certain times, you will see deer. The trick is when is that time?
When the moon is straight up or straight under and a 2 hour window is very prime time for movement, but you can get a hint of this by all the other animals on the road, like dead coons or possum. Course hunting season and hunters entering the wood sometimes 2 hours before daylight effect movement also. Then we have the RUT, when bucks will go anywhere.
Deer also have to depend on what/where is the current food located and when is the best time to get it? In this HEAT we are experiencing, the only green grass is along the interstate on the shady side and the deer hit it just before daylight, guess the dew makes it wet and they like that. I notice that deer seldom cross interstates, or at least not as frequent as 2 lanes with close woods.
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Hmm , a solution to the deer problem is forming in the recesses of my mind ...wait for it ...
Teach the deer to drive so the can simply drive to their feeding grounds :laugh:
Dusty
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Or another solution. Since this thread started as a discussion on snipers being the latest problem we face out on the road, how about not riding for a weekend and let the gunslingers take care of the deer?
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Or another solution. Since this thread started as a discussion on snipers being the latest problem we face out on the road, how about not riding for a weekend and let the gunslingers take care of the deer?
Judging by the news reports , maybe we should turn the deer lose on the snipers :grin:
Dusty
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Do deer eat snipers?
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Do deer eat snipers?
Might take some selective breeding :laugh:
Dusty
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Maybe instead of stopping she could have accelerated and got out of his way? Or turned instead of insisting on driving right by the deer? Or made some noise?
So what is your solution? Stop riding? Tuck your head and hope for the best? Please let's do better than that..
Maybe accelerating the deer would have run in front of her. If she honked he would have rammed her. Just don't know what will happen. Turn around? Give me a break.
I just thought cause you were so knowledgeable you'd have a surefire method for avoiding such a mishap. I guess I was mistaken.
Nope, my solution is to ride and drive. Haven't been hit yet.
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Very timely! I was returning home in my cage about 6pm this evening, when a rather large deer popped into the road directly in my line (and decided to stand there for a moment) so close that braking brought ABS into play. I'm still braking hard, anticipating more deer to follow. The biggest problem, however, was the car behind me, that obviously wasn't watching much of what was taking place in front of him, and he damned near hit me in the back end as I quickly slowed to avoid hitting the deer.
I began to wonder if the driver behind me had ever observed that when one deer crosses the road, often the rest of the family is close behind.
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Maybe accelerating the deer would have run in front of her. If she honked he would have rammed her. Just don't know what will happen. Turn around? Give me a break.
I just thought cause you were so knowledgeable you'd have a surefire method for avoiding such a mishap. I guess I was mistaken.
Nope, my solution is to ride and drive. Haven't been hit yet.
Umm, he did ram her.. lol
Good luck to you. in the end the solution is alertness and preparedness with skills. On this I am sure we agree.
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I have to deal with this guy and his relations on a daily basis. They like to stand in the middle of the road and dare you to make them move. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Conteacher/Facebook/My%20Pics/2655_1042540700564_7057674_n.jpg?1442021441029&1442021467940)
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I have to deal with this guy and his relations on a daily basis. They like to stand in the middle of the road and dare you to make them move. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Conteacher/Facebook/My%20Pics/2655_1042540700564_7057674_n.jpg?1442021441029&1442021467940)
Dealing with those guys is easy.. whatever they want they get.. lol
Back in the day in Maine a buddy of mine had a runin with a moose. My buddy was driving a VW minivan. The moose was standing in the middle of the only road to where they were going. They stopped the minivan and waited a while and the Moose ignored them. They blinked the headlights and the moose took notice and squared off. Not knowing what else to do my buddy honked the horn. Bad move, a VW horn must say something exceedingly bad in moose speak because the moose dropped his head charged and center punched the van between the headlights. this knocked the moose cold and folded in the front of the van almost to the seats.
After a few minutes the moose got up, shook his head and ambled off in no great hurry wherupon the folks in the minivan called a towtruck.
I have no idea what i would have done in the same situation.
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....2) A retread blowing off the truck you are passing....
NOW you've hit on a favorite peeve of mine. This is a risk that can be totally eliminated by banning retreads. The highways around where I live are littered with these rubber missiles. I think my odds of being taken out by one of these is much greater than hitting a deer. There have been various proposals to ban retreads, but most have fallen victim to the retread industry (typical American way of legislation). Perhaps if retread companies would get sued more often and have to start paying serious money for their dangerous products, things would change (again, typical American way of changing the law). I'm not holding my breath.