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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: BoatDoc on September 13, 2015, 08:23:36 PM
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I'm just looking for informal feedback on the idea of buying my first Guzzi. Is it a good or bad decision and what haven't I thought of?
Background: I've been riding for about 30 years; perhaps 300K miles, five bikes, and just finished a trip around the world on a 12GS. My favorite bike was a 1986 R80 (R, not GS). Its only drawbacks I thought were its flexible frame, its low clearance and incompatibility with forest roads. I only used its full power once or twice. I realized (finally) that the GS is bigger, heavier and has more power than I want or need. Additionally, I'm not happy with BMW due to the low reliability of my 12GS and my wife's G650 (23 warranty items in 18K miles) and the styling of their new bikes leaves me cold.
The Plan: What I'm looking for is a bike that will take me and some gear on the highway for business trips, will commute well, will tour long distance at moderate speeds, will handle forest roads, will be basically reliable if well cared for, has reasonable mpg, looks good, and most importantly, is fun! Too much to ask for? I don't mind modifying/improving bikes. After looking at dozens of bikes, the one that catches my eye is the 2016 V7 II Scrambler. A good choice? What mods would be suggested to fit "The Plan"?
My thanks in advance to all who reply! If we meet in the future I'll buy you a beer (or do Guzzi riders prefer wine?)!
Cheers,
Paul
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V7. Sounds like a perfect fit. beer!
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I don't own a V7, but I have ridden a couple, and they weren't scramblers. I think the V7II could fit your bill, but your really asking quite a bit of a bike to be really be that diversified, tour long distances at moderate speeds, and handle forest roads? Humm.. what kind of tires are you planning to use?
Have you tried an F800GS? Just a thought.
Now for that beer! :boozing:
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I'm just looking for informal feedback on the idea of buying my first Guzzi. Is it a good or bad decision and what haven't I thought of?
Background: I've been riding for about 30 years; perhaps 300K miles, five bikes, and just finished a trip around the world on a 12GS. My favorite bike was a 1986 R80 (R, not GS). Its only drawbacks I thought were its flexible frame, its low clearance and incompatibility with forest roads. I only used its full power once or twice. I realized (finally) that the GS is bigger, heavier and has more power than I want or need. Additionally, I'm not happy with BMW due to the low reliability of my 12GS and my wife's G650 (23 warranty items in 18K miles) and the styling of their new bikes leaves me cold.
The Plan: What I'm looking for is a bike that will take me and some gear on the highway for business trips, will commute well, will tour long distance at moderate speeds, will handle forest roads, will be basically reliable if well cared for, has reasonable mpg, looks good, and most importantly, is fun! Too much to ask for? I don't mind modifying/improving bikes. After looking at dozens of bikes, the one that catches my eye is the 2016 V7 II Scrambler. A good choice? What mods would be suggested to fit "The Plan"?
My thanks in advance to all who reply! If we meet in the future I'll buy you a beer (or do Guzzi riders prefer wine?)!
Cheers,
Paul
I'd say Norge or Stelvio.
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V7. Sounds like a perfect fit. beer!
Agreed, throw some Shinko 705s on it and roost away.
It's not a fast bike as you obviously know but it sounds about perfect for your needs :bike-037:
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The V7 is the closest thing that exists in this world to what an Airhead might have become if it was given EFI and minimal other changes (though with an arguably more visceral engine).
As such it's not a highway done like any "modern" bike, but is a fantastic all around mount, light, nimble, simple, with excellent mileage.
I'm not sure I see the downside for your purpose, UNLESS your wanted to drone on the highway for hours at 80+ mph, then there are better tools for the job.
Me, I'm still pissed at myself for not buying a new Airhead when I had the chance, and I absolutely LOVE my V7.
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Personally I think you need a KLR or DR 650.
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Brio, he said he already had a GS, and found it two big, and two powerful, so a Stelvio or Norge won't work for him.
Photo, OP said one of the requirements is that the bike "looks good", that leaves the KLR and DR out the picture.
Kirpkemon, he said he doesn't want another BMW.
Don't you guys read the OP before posting??? :thewife:
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My over inflated opinion; the KLR is too heavy and tall, the Honda XR650L (my bike) is much lighter and taller, given a do over I'd pick the DR. But.
I just spent some time on dirt (some gravel - not recommended) roads on the Griso and she did just fine thank you.
For well maintained roads you don't need the suspension travel of a dirt bike and having a lower bike will help a lot when it comes time to pick it up. A tall dirt bike, especially with a full tank of gas, is a son-of-gun to lift back up.
Another bike to consider, the Suzuiki V-Strom. Not really a dirt bike, kinda tall, but with lot's of farkles. More than the V7. Very good motor and a worthy option. I have a tall inseam so I'd probably gravitate to the V-Strom since the V7 is a tad small for me - but I'm still looking at it. It has a huge grin factor.
Kinda depends on just how much dirt you plan on riding. If it gets wet; choice of tire becomes critical.
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Brio, he said he already had a GS, and found it two big, and two powerful, so a Stelvio or Norge won't work for him.
Photo, OP said one of the requirements is that the bike "looks good", that leaves the KLR and DR out the picture.
Kirpkemon, he said he doesn't want another BMW.
Don't you guys read the OP before posting??? :thewife:
Heck Chad , are ya new here ? :grin:
Dusty
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Whatever you get, be it Guzzi or otherwise, the Quality of the dealer is paramount.
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I was going to wax wise about all bikes having their pros and cons and buying the one that sings to you and so on, but when I re-read your OP it sounds like you are looking for the universal road bike.
That role used to be filled quite well by the ubiquitous 650 vertical twin.
So why not a 750 V twin Hmmm? The V7 II sounds like just the thing to me. Big enough to tour, small enough to handle a forest road. Not to shabby round town either if I'm hearing right.
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Clearly I am no expert, but my first choice would be the V-strom if you want a lot of off road miles. If off road is minimal, go for the very charming small block Guzzi and you will have a silly grin on your face much of the time.
Why not a Triumph Bonneville?
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Seriously, did anyone READ THIS:
The Plan: What I'm looking for is a bike that will take me and some gear on the highway for business trips, will commute well, will tour long distance at moderate speeds, will handle forest roads, will be basically reliable if well cared for, has reasonable mpg, looks good, and most importantly, is fun!
The only question mark in my mind is what modifications would need to be made for forest roads (and it only says handle them, not go around the world on them, so what percentages of the above is he talking - highway, commuting, forest etc.)
But maybe most importantly:
My favorite bike was a 1986 R80 (R, not GS).
There is only one bike in the market that is anything like an R80... it's the V7.
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My over inflated opinion; the KLR is too heavy and tall, the Honda XR650L (my bike) is much lighter and taller, given a do over I'd pick the DR. But.
I just spent some time on dirt (some gravel - not recommended) roads on the Griso and she did just fine thank you.
For well maintained roads you don't need the suspension travel of a dirt bike and having a lower bike will help a lot when it comes time to pick it up. A tall dirt bike, especially with a full tank of gas, is a son-of-gun to lift back up.
Another bike to consider, the Suzuiki V-Strom. Not really a dirt bike, kinda tall, but with lot's of farkles. More than the V7. Very good motor and a worthy option. I have a tall inseam so I'd probably gravitate to the V-Strom since the V7 is a tad small for me - but I'm still looking at it. It has a huge grin factor.
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Kinda depends on just how much dirt you plan on riding. If it gets wet; choice of tire becomes critical.
Agreed,
A KLR is tall and handles heavy for its weight. It's called "the pig" for a reason. Additionally, I don't think a KLR650 will fit the bill unless you like to go less than the speed limit. They start to scream around 70mph. A Kawasaki Versys, Honda NC700, or V-strom may be worth a look.
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The Plan: What I'm looking for is a bike that will take me and some gear on the highway for business trips,
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will commute well,
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will tour long distance at moderate speeds,
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will handle forest roads,
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will be basically reliable if well cared for,
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has reasonable mpg,
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looks good,
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and most importantly, is fun!
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Looks as if you have done your homework. :smiley:
Welcome to WG, Paul.
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Quick question:
How good is the Quota? There is one for sale in beautiful condition nearby
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Wow, what a nice surprise to see so many good comments! I'll take another look at the Versys and WeeStrom. The first time I looked at them I thought their styling was more angular than I'm thinking of. To answer some of your questions:
- I have a KLR in the barn (a friend's). A bit too tall and the mileage is terrible. It is also quite warm.
- Good question on the Bonnie Scrambler. It is a contender and I test rode one. The V7 is lighter however and said by the majority of reviewers to be more fun.
- My GS has about 80K on it, with about 1/4 of that off pavement. Most of that was forest roads and jeep trails. I rarely needed, or in hindsight, wanted a bike with the weight of the GS, although the suspension travel was nice. Alas, I can't pick it up by myself when it goes over. I would be happy to dial it back a bit in the future.
I've sent a note to Speed's requesting a test ride of the V7II.
Anyone looking for a "broken in" 12GS that was only used by a middle-aged dude to ride to the market (via the TransSiberian)?
My thanks to all!
Cheers,
Paul
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The Plan: What I'm looking for is a bike that will take me and some gear on the highway for business trips, will commute well, will tour long distance at moderate speeds, will handle forest roads, will be basically reliable if well cared for, has reasonable mpg, looks good, and most importantly, is fun!
Any Loop frame Moto Guzzi.
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The Plan: What I'm looking for is a bike that will take me and some gear on the highway for business trips, will commute well, will tour long distance at moderate speeds, will handle forest roads, will be basically reliable if well cared for, has reasonable mpg, looks good, and most importantly, is fun! Too much to ask for? I don't mind modifying/improving bikes. After looking at dozens of bikes, the one that catches my eye is the 2016 V7 II Scrambler. A good choice? What mods would be suggested to fit "The Plan"?
I'd support the comments made about the V7. As Kev mentioned, as long as you aren't looking to run 80 all day on the InterSlab it would be a solid all around bike.
You may want to look at one of the Triumph Bonneville variants. These are great bikes and absolutely bulletproof. There is a bewildering array of aftermarket stuff too. I had one for several years, and will be probably get another one sometime. However, they lack the character of a Guzzi.
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However, they lack the character of a Guzzi.
this.. to me, motorcycles are all about the.. uh.. motor. :smiley:
Speeds? Don't I remember issues with Speeds, or was it another east coast dealer.. my memory *is* suspect, and I'll happily be straightened out.
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You may want to look at one of the Triumph Bonneville variants. These are great bikes and absolutely bulletproof. There is a bewildering array of aftermarket stuff too. I had one for several years, and will be probably get another one sometime. However, they lack the character of a Guzzi.
They're also heavier, and *feel* much heavier than a V7. I'd also much rather have a V7 for roadside type repairs than a Triumph.
Anyway, to the OP, yes the V7 would handle all the things you're talking about and handle them well. I have a few customers that use their V7s as mini-touring bikes and they seem to fit the bill.
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Quick question:
How good is the Quota? There is one for sale in beautiful condition nearby
How good?
A good 150 lbs heavier than a V7.
A good 15 years older than a V7 II.
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The only problem with using a V7 II Special Scrambler for touring is the Arrow high-mount scrambler exhaust.
That exhaust will limit you on luggage options. If you're only planning on a luggage rack and duffle bag, then it won't be a problem.
I like Hepco + Becker luggage, so the high pipe wouldn't work for me. YMMV.
The Stone, Special, and Scrambler are all the same under the skin. Suspension, brakes, driveline. So, any of the V7s could fill your bill.
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Quick question:
How good is the Quota? There is one for sale in beautiful condition nearby
It's a very comfortable touring bike. Lots of wind blast from the fairing, though. Handles much better than you would think from looking at it. Like all Guzzis of that era, needs sorting. Dr. John's dirt bike.. :smiley:
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Triumph Tiger 800.
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After riding "dual sports" for a while I believe you might be asking for too much. There are a lot of compromises that you have to make but the big two are tires and weight. Any tire that works well off road is going to be chewed up by the asphalt, and any tire that is good on the road is not going be good enough on the trails. IMO any bike over 300lbs should be relegated to dirt roads and not on the OHVs.
That said I've got a DR 350 with a 4gal tank and it is pretty decent for street duty using the a Kenda Trackmaster II rear tire . My friend has a Gas Gas FSE 450 and while it's an obscure bike here in the U.S. I think it hits the mark better than anything I've seen: FI, electric or kick start, good suspension, plenty of power and a 6spd trans.
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The Quota; Tupperware is impossible to get, the EFI is finicky, the mpg suck and seem impossible to fix. It's tall and heavy, not really a good off-roader unless your skill set is very high. Stock seat is terrible (your mileage may vary :) ). Aerodynamics are poor. Has many well know niggles that need attending. They are old now.
The good: Handles well above it's weight limit. Geared high so it makes for great touring - if you can manage the wind and the seat and the poor mileage. It does have a certain panache and the tires are narrow enough to handle gravel roads nicely.
I gave mine up when an unexpected offer came through. Some days I think it would be nice to have another. On the other hand, it's nice not to have to worry about the niggles.
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Darth Quota ran beautifully, but it was the Guzzitech commuter before I got it. Mileage was really good, to boot. I know it *can* be done.
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Buy two. Buy two. Buy two.
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Honda CB500X
Moderate speeds, check. My wife rides mine on trips where 75MPH cruises for a couple hours are common to get out of town.
Lots of luggage and windshield options. Excellent fuel economy and is spec'd for regular gas. 200 mile real life range.
Light with a bit more suspension travel than a standard. Tire choices (tubeless) are plentiful. Good around town and on maintained gravel/dirt roads. Handles pretty well with even the stock suspension. Easy maintenance and low entry price. Good dealer availability. Looks are subjective, as it is a modern styled machine, but not to radical as "Adventure" bikes go. A little more styled on the sporty end.
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When ever mileage issues are mentioned Darth Quota is brought forth as an example that "it could be done". But memory seems to serve - that was the only example. Wish I knew what went into that. It was the Holy Grail.
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Quick question:
How good is the Quota? There is one for sale in beautiful condition nearby
Everything the KLR is, only moreso.
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When ever mileage issues are mentioned Darth Quota is brought forth as an example that "it could be done". But memory seems to serve - that was the only example. Wish I knew what went into that. It was the Holy Grail.
It had a PC on it..so I'd have to guess that Todd did it. Maybe he could tell you about it. This was before the ugly divorce at Guzzitech. I bought it from Ed.
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You folks are great! The CB500x is one I looked closely at but have not been able to arrange a test ride. I will admit, however, that I do have a preference for shaft drives, well at least until the one on my 12GS gave up at 50K miles, taking out the swing arm and locking up the rear wheel at 80 mph; but I digress. I agree with the sentiment that bikes over about 300 pounds are not much fun on single track. Having said that I took the 12GS on quite a few. My plan in the future is for tamer stuff, although I might be fooling myself!
It looks like no one is trying to talk me out of the V7, so that is great and I received lots of valuable info! I'll also look again at the WeeStrom and the Versys
Thanks again!
Cheers,
Paul
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The bikes mentioned so far (specially the CB500x, V-strom, Versys, V7 etc.) are very good machines and as long as you don't get one that may be a lemon (slim chance) I bet any one of them would serve you well - as long as you fit them. Nothing much worse than a great bike that your body simply does not fit with.
I'm very keen on seeing what you get. :grin:
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Quotas' kick ass! I sold my first one to buy another with lower miles. Never had any problems with either one. It's a big heavy beast, but I'm a big guy so It's not a bother. Seat could be better.
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/march/honda-bulldog-concept-unveiled/
https://youtu.be/b-8TPZJi3xw
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The bikes mentioned so far (specially the CB500x, V-strom, Versys, V7 etc.) are very good machines and as long as you don't get one that may be a lemon (slim chance) I bet any one of them would serve you well - as long as you fit them. Nothing much worse than a great bike that your body simply does not fit with.
I'm very keen on seeing what you get. :grin:
The only real issue I have with my CB500X is the gearing. First is very low (kinda like a KLR) so when taking off from a start you have to shift pretty quick and it does turn some RPMs when going above 70, but it will do it fine. Of course if you are serious about the fire road use, that low first gear would be helpful coupled with your mention of "moderate speeds", assuming that being legal stuff and not a lot of highway droning at 80MPH.
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/march/honda-bulldog-concept-unveiled/
https://youtu.be/b-8TPZJi3xw
The blurb calls it a "Lovable touring partner" :huh: Who the hell is running Honda's marketing dept ? :laugh: And , is it an English bulldog ?
Dusty
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Asian language is like that. Doesn't translate very well to 'Merican.
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The only real issue I have with my CB500X is the gearing. First is very low (kinda like a KLR) so when taking off from a start you have to shift pretty quick and it does turn some RPMs when going above 70, but it will do it fine. Of course if you are serious about the fire road use, that low first gear would be helpful coupled with your mention of "moderate speeds", assuming that being legal stuff and not a lot of highway droning at 80MPH.
You can change that some with different sprocket selection.
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The V7 Scrambler sounds like fun. I saw that you did about 25% of your miles on your GS on dirt. That's quite a bit (compared to average adventure bike owner). Maybe you should look into adding an inch or so of travel by upgrading the suspension.
Getting away from Moto Guzzi, I've found myself a bit distracted by the Honda Africa Twin. That looks to be more off-road capable than a V7, not as heavy as a BMW GS12, probably rock-solid-reliable and fuel efficient, massive dealer network, etc.
http://powersports.honda.com/africatwin.aspx
But possibly missing that indescribable special-something that you can only get from a Guzzi...
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It is sorta heavy, but the DCT would be fun I bet. Probably a great offroad bike and great traveler tho, as long as you kept the offroad easy.
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You can change that some with different sprocket selection.
Many owner add a tooth or two in the front, but that screws with the other gears, especially sixth and you find yourself having to downshift way too often when at speed. If it was a bigger deal, I'd just start off in second and leave first as a granny or for being on a steep hill. The low first is good for creeping along in heavy traffic or on trails though. Note, it is really a street bike with a bit of extra suspension travel, but it does well on smooth dirt and gravel.
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It's odd how perceptions vary. Many respondents seem to me to be focusing on off road ability where as what I see in your requirements is a road bike that can handle the odd forestry road.
Well, any road bike can do that, providing it is not too heavy, it's reasonably tractable and it's C of G isn't too high.
Lowish C of G tends to compensate for a bit of extra weight when compared to an out and out off-roader, but I don't think a trail bike is what you are after at all.
Back to the V7II. It sounds perfect for the job, even with road tires.
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It's odd how perceptions vary. Many respondents seem to me to be focusing on off road ability where as what I see in your requirements is a road bike that can handle the odd forestry road.
Well, any road bike can do that, providing it is not too heavy, it's reasonably tractable and it's C of G isn't too high.
Lowish C of G tends to compensate for a bit of extra weight when compared to an out and out off-roader, but I don't think a trail bike is what you are after at all.
Back to the V7II. It sounds perfect for the job, even with road tires.
That's what I tried to say, "a more dirt-oriented tread and hit the gravel".
If the bike must have that "vibe" that only a Guzzi can give the V7 would be a hoot on fire roads. Low CG, nice rumble and you won't see another one in the hills.
Just do it.
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It's odd how perceptions vary. Many respondents seem to me to be focusing on off road ability where as what I see in your requirements is a road bike that can handle the odd forestry road.
Well, any road bike can do that, providing it is not too heavy, it's reasonably tractable and it's C of G isn't too high.
Lowish C of G tends to compensate for a bit of extra weight when compared to an out and out off-roader, but I don't think a trail bike is what you are after at all.
Back to the V7II. It sounds perfect for the job, even with road tires.
In the opening post, Boatdoc did mention shortcomings of his old BMW R80 as "low ground clearance and incompatibility with forest roads." Others have said that the V7 is about as close as a modern bike can get to that R80. While I don't have experience with those two bikes, my V11 is far more fun than the R100CS I used to have...
There's quite a wide range of forest roads - from well-travelled, quasi-paved gravel and hardpack - to rutty, rocky, rim-benders. So, if it's just the occasional smooth, auto-accessible type of dirt road, then for sure, the V7 will do the trick. If Boatdoc is "fooling himself" and the siren-song of the single-track is luring him to the rocks, then I think we need to be in the adventure-bike department.
@boatdoc - like any bike decision, you've got to know how how/where you want to ride. FYI - I traded a KTM 950 Adventure for my V11 Scura. I sometimes miss being able to plow into some rough terrain in the middle of a road ride, BUT... I still have a real dirt bike in the garage. The Guzzi is an absolute joy - perhaps even an irrational obsession. You really should at least ride one soon. Let us know how much you love it...
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My over inflated opinion; the KLR is too heavy and tall, the Honda XR650L (my bike) is much lighter and taller, given a do over I'd pick the DR. But.
I just spent some time on dirt (some gravel - not recommended) roads on the Griso and she did just fine thank you.
For well maintained roads you don't need the suspension travel of a dirt bike and having a lower bike will help a lot when it comes time to pick it up. A tall dirt bike, especially with a full tank of gas, is a son-of-gun to lift back up.
Another bike to consider, the Suzuiki V-Strom. Not really a dirt bike, kinda tall, but with lot's of farkles. More than the V7. Very good motor and a worthy option. I have a tall inseam so I'd probably gravitate to the V-Strom since the V7 is a tad small for me - but I'm still looking at it. It has a huge grin factor.
Kinda depends on just how much dirt you plan on riding. If it gets wet; choice of tire becomes critical.
Having gained so much from this site I better contribute to others ... I had a 2010 VStrom before I bought the Norge..LOVE the Norge
VStrom pluses - Power and Acceleration from 3000 rpm- YAY! - throttle sensitivity makes for FUN, compression braking could lock the rear on wet corners - beware.
Seat and ride comfort for two-up - Yes! Front and rear suspension GREAT for moderate speeds
Fuel tank capacity - Very good at 21L ( I think)
VStrom Minus's - poor low speed fuel injection behaviour - less than 3000 and my well tuned OEM bike would lurch and snatch - my SWMBO told me to go to riding school! OUCH!
Driveline snatch only added to this low speed misbehaviour - traffic snarls were Painful. In contrast the Norge at <3000 revs is a gentle giant.
Design and build of generator/rectifier results in poor life and unreliability - I installed a US made mofset kit- highly recommended...this problem afflicts most big Suzuki's if I am to believe the repairer.
If Suzuki cured the low speed engine management issues and driveline slack issues I may be tempted to get one again in the distant future - I liked the bike so much.
good luck
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A buddy let me ride his "new" V-Strom in the parking lot last year (so I think it was a 2014) and it felt like a small Quota. I don't recall the low speed glitches; so either I was seduced by the Quota feeling or they fixed it. Now that it's on my radar I'll have pay attention.
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I've had my v7 Stone ('13) for a few months. I've toured on it, two trips of 1500-2000. I live on a gravel road. I commute on it at times. I've also got a 1100 gs, several BMW airheads, and have had some other Dual Sports (KLR, F800gs, WR250R).
I think a v7 would be fine. I love how nimble it is, and it will drone on the superslab just fine. Great around town. I'd say go for it.
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Hi,
Just closing the loop and thanking all those who provided opinions! I picked up a Stornello today at Europa Macchina and it is sitting in the garage waiting for me to get some tags for it! I'm looking forward to putting some miles on it.
All the best,
Paul
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Congratulations
Dusty
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Yes, congrats !!
Tell us all about it through some ride reports please :bike-037:
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Nice, looking forward to your ride reports.
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Cool bike- I really like the pictures I've seen of the Stornello.
My wife has a Breva 750 (the grandma of the V7 and V7II), which I have taken down several forest roads with full luggage in Vermont. It did just fine. The Stornello will probably be even better.
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Enjoy your new ride! :boozing:
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I think that a V Strom fits the bill best for your described needs. I see high mileage V Stroms all the time when touring and NEVER hear a bad word about them from their riders. Just saying...
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BoatDoc, I'm late to this party...congratulat ions on the Stornello! All those other choices would have been like dating the prom queen and later finding that she has an overbearing mother.....in time the maintenance would have started to gnaw on you. You are used to simple maintenance. You will get that with the V7. Since you are asking for a bike with such a wide range of capabilities I want to suggest a second bike for those forest roads and such. Take a look at the TT250. For $1895 you can afford to have a much more capable off road bike, albeit one that won't do the job of touring. Oh, and it does ask for more maintenance.
http://www.cscmotorcycles.com/CSC-TT-250-p/ztt250.htm
Peter Y.
I have the RX-3 and am enjoying it. Great addition to my V7 and Stelvio.
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*Caution.. thread drift*
So, Peter..
Oh, and it does ask for more maintenance.
any stories about it yet? Are you having fun, etc.
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Stelvio or Yamaha Super Tenere, I have both great machines.
Good Luck
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