V7 Stelvio.
One hot trend is road based adventure bikes. The Multistrada or the BMW 1000XR.
A Stelvio with 17" wheels and shorter suspension might make it.
Mike
some news:
http://www.laprovinciadilecco.it/stories/Cronaca/la-guzzi-lavora-ad-una-nuova-moto_1142994_11/
"What displacement will the new model have? According to some the cubic volume will be of 850 cc, a little more than the V7, which will continue in production, considering that it is Guzzi's best selling model.
The new engine under construction on assembly lines should have an engine with four valves therefore decidedly more powerful..."
Something like this?Not 'something like this,' but this bike exactly. I know I'll hear that 'that damned two valve ain't coming back,' but this bike, with either an 1100 or 1200 (or even the short stroke Bellagio engine) would do it for me. Much as I love my 1200 Sport, I'd sacrifice it to pick up a bike exactly like the one in this pic.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/Guzzi-V94-Classic_SX_zpsi9hnjbor.jpg)
:boozing:
Not 'something like this,' but this bike exactly. I know I'll hear that 'that damned two valve ain't coming back, but this bike, with either an 1100 or 1200 (or even the short stroke Bellagio engine) would do it for me. Much as I love my 1200 Sport, I'd sacrifice it to pick up a bike exactly like the one in this pic.
Bob
'Something like this?" Freekin' gorgeous, to my aged eyes. And exactly what I've wanted for a very long time. You can only pretend to get close with over-bores and wishful thinking. It seems to me that most all the bits and pieces are already on the shelves! It retro! a perfect fit in the model line. Can they add lightness, too? Good fortune, R3~
However, the reports are leaning more toward a bigger engine for the existing V7 chassis.
I hope it doesn't have the ergonomics of the Bellagio. I sat on one once and thought it had a goofy sitting position, like my California but with rear set pegs..
+1
With 18 inch rear and 21 inch front wheels.
Crikey. You need to drag your arses into the 21st Century. Why do you lot get wood for a bike that looks a throwback to the 80's?
Give me a rising rate single shock rear, USD forks and wheels without frickin spokes! :violent1:
Because mate, it's what we like up here. Prefer throwback to the '70's myself.
Remember, we USED to be the Super Power...
wha?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/Guzzisingle310_zpsewvrua24.jpg)
:tongue:
Interesting what will draw a person out and prompt a post!
Date Registered: June 19, 2009, 08:01:52 AM
I was going to say, "welcome to WildGuzzi". But, I can see you've been here awhile.
Crikey. You need to drag your arses into the 21st Century. Why do you lot get wood for a bike that looks a throwback to the 80's?
Give me a rising rate single shock rear, USD forks and wheels without frickin spokes! :violent1:
well I hope the "new" 850 engine isn't like the mongrel 850 they put in the breva and griso 850. Same lump as the 1100 with shorter stroke... Same weight, less power...
well I hope the "new" 850 engine isn't like the mongrel 850 they put in the breva and griso 850. Same lump as the 1100 with shorter stroke... Same weight, less power...No, the "new" 850 is a small block.
Because motorcycles should look like MOTOR CYCLES and not transformers.
WAY too many modern bikes, from Ducs to YamaHonDuKAwaSukis look like insectoids or modern art experiments. Gone are the flowing lines and eye pleasing proportions. Replaced and inorganic irregular crystalline shapes.
I'm sure it's POSSIBLE to have an organic shape with a single rate rear shock and USD forks and mags, it's just rarely seen.
I wouldn't object to those things, if the overall shape still hearkened to a MOTOR CYCLE.
No, the "new" 850 is a small block.
Two test bikes had been seen, but not yet photographed, near to the Aprilia plant of Scorze'. The one that saw them described them as "Between the Bellagio and the Nevada".
Two test bikes had been seen, but not yet photographed, near to the Aprilia plant of Scorze'. The one that saw them described them as "Between the Bellagio and the Nevada".
No, the "new" 850 is a small block.
Two test bikes had been seen, but not yet photographed, near to the Aprilia plant of Scorze'. The one that saw them described them as "Between the Bellagio and the Nevada".
that does not bode well...
Why not just drop the new mill in the existing & successful V7 lineup? There is no way in hell I'd get rid of my Racer in favor of a "Bellada".
Why not just drop the new mill in the existing & successful V7 lineup?You have to keep in mind that, putting a new 850 engine in an existing V7 bodywork, none would have been able to distinguish a test bike from a standard V7.
I'm not giving up hope.
Who knows what the production bike will look like.
The test mules could just be purposefully ugly.
True. Just grab a primer black Nevada fuel tank off the shelf for the test mule. Could explain it.
They should be on the podium in Milan next month. I'm anxious to see what they've done.
I remember the Ippo all too well.
All this is pure speculation, but if they do come out with a small block 850, I would expect them to phase out the 750 as they did with the earlier displacement small blocks.
You have to keep in mind that, putting a new 850 engine in an existing V7 bodywork, none would have been able to distinguish a test bike from a standard V7.
so is this 850 small block all talk or for real? I am not sure how we got here.
so is this 850 small block all talk or for real?They already started to build it.
An Ippogrifo can be easily described as "between a Nevada and a Bellagio".
(http://www.bikez.com/pictures/moto%20guzzi/1997/ippogrifo%20v7.jpg)
Because motorcycles should look like MOTOR CYCLES and not transformers.
I'm sure it's POSSIBLE to have an organic shape with a single rate rear shock and USD forks and mags, it's just rarely seen.
Sigh.
So the MOTO GUZZI GRiSO doesn't look like a MOTOR CYCLE?
The MOTO GUZZI STELVIO doesn't look like a MOTOR CYCLE?
The MOTO GUZZI 1200 SPORT doesn't look like a MOTOR CYCLE?
The MOTO GUZZI BELLAGIO doesn't look like a MOTOR CYCLE?
... I could go on.
W
Aside from the Stelvio and Bellagio which have spokes, their seems to be an abundance of Moto Guzzi MOTOR CYCLES with rising rate single shock suspension, and some, by gollies, even have (gasp) upside down forks.
Are you saying the above MOTOR CYCLES don't look like MOTOR CYCLES? Yes, I believe that is exactly what you are saying.
Go hide thyself.
An Ippogrifo can be easily described as "between a Nevada and a Bellagio".
(http://www.bikez.com/pictures/moto%20guzzi/1997/ippogrifo%20v7.jpg)
Sigh.
So the MOTO GUZZI GRiSO doesn't look like a MOTOR CYCLE?
The MOTO GUZZI STELVIO doesn't look like a MOTOR CYCLE?
The MOTO GUZZI 1200 SPORT doesn't look like a MOTOR CYCLE?
The MOTO GUZZI BELLAGIO doesn't look like a MOTOR CYCLE?
... I could go on.
Aside from the Stelvio and Bellagio which have spokes, their seems to be an abundance of Moto Guzzi MOTOR CYCLES with rising rate single shock suspension, and some, by gollies, even have (gasp) upside down forks.
Are you saying the above MOTOR CYCLES don't look like MOTOR CYCLES? Yes, I believe that is exactly what you are saying.
Go hide thyself.
I would jump for joy if they resurrected Ippogrifo !!!
Because motorcycles should look like MOTOR CYCLES and not transformers.
WAY too many modern bikes, from Ducs to YamaHonDuKAwaSukis look like insectoids or modern art experiments. Gone are the flowing lines and eye pleasing proportions. Replaced and inorganic irregular crystalline shapes.
I'm sure it's POSSIBLE to have an organic shape with a single rate rear shock and USD forks and mags, it's just rarely seen.
I wouldn't object to those things, if the overall shape still hearkened to a MOTOR CYCLE.
I did it because I find your whole attitude and views offensive and narrow minded. The heinous stench of your view permeates this board with your self-important holier-than-thou backwards attitude that would have Guzzi only building 2 valve pushrod twin shocked naked motorcycles.
As I Said, go and hide yourself.
:laugh:
Because motorcycles should look like MOTOR CYCLES and not transformers.
WAY too many modern bikes, from Ducs to YamaHonDuKAwaSukis look like insectoids or modern art experiments. Gone are the flowing lines and eye pleasing proportions. Replaced and inorganic irregular crystalline shapes.
I'm sure it's POSSIBLE to have an organic shape with a single rate rear shock and USD forks and mags, it's just rarely seen.
I wouldn't object to those things, if the overall shape still hearkened to a MOTOR CYCLE.
I disagree,
Go to your local showroom and inspect the Panigale. It is a passionate and intelligent design which pushed the bar higher. I appreciate a naked bike but if im getting a V7 it will be the real thing instead of some lazy capitalization on a generation who can now afford what they used to drool after as kids.
I disagree,
Go to your local showroom and inspect the Panigale. It is a passionate and intelligent design which pushed the bar higher. I appreciate a naked bike but if im getting a V7 it will be the real thing instead of some lazy capitalization on a generation who can now afford what they used to drool after as kids.
I disagree,
Go to your local showroom and inspect the Panigale. It is a passionate and intelligent design which pushed the bar higher. I appreciate a naked bike but if im getting a V7 it will be the real thing instead of some lazy capitalization on a generation who can now afford what they used to drool after as kids.
I would jump for joy if they resurrected Ippogrifo !!!Is Galluzzi that design the Guzzi bikes now, and it seems improbable that he will simply resurrect a 1997 prototype.
I did it because I find your whole attitude and views offensive and narrow minded. The heinous stench of your view permeates this board with your self-important holier-than-thou backwards attitude that would have Guzzi only building 2 valve pushrod twin shocked naked motorcycles.
As I Said, go and hide yourself.
:laugh:
I did it because I find your whole attitude and views offensive and narrow minded. The heinous stench of your view permeates this board with your self-important holier-than-thou backwards attitude that would have Guzzi only building 2 valve pushrod twin shocked naked motorcycles.
As I Said, go and hide yourself.
:laugh:
I'm sorry Kev, this IS a real motorcycle. It's gets my blood going and that's possibly because I'm halfway through a bottle of Amarone :boozing:
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/joachimroselio/image.jpg2_1.jpg) (http://s989.photobucket.com/user/joachimroselio/media/image.jpg2_1.jpg.html)
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Don't get spun up on the Nevada thing. If sightings are even credible, it might be camouflage. I would expect a similar look to the V7. Same 5.8 tank, new 6 speed tranny. The V7 is their BEST selling machine.
I would expect an 850 bump to the v7 line. It's their best seller but therecare many wanting that bike with a bit more....... Balls..... :bike-037:
A new 850 LeMans would make my decade... :popcorn:
Its reached the end of its potential development
No particular argument here, however those modifications may be impossible due to emissions concerns.
Wouldn't a properly designed 4 valve head do better emissions-wise than a Heron or hemi head?
Wouldn't a properly designed 4 valve head do better emissions-wise than a Heron or hemi head?There isn't a distribution scheme used on the Big Block, or in any other air cooled engine, that can't be used with equal success in the SB. 2 valves, 4 valves, raised camshaft, desmo, OHC, DOHC...
O,
Thanks for your comment. Both bikes are waiting in the garage for my last vacation day tomorrow, Friday. Which bike gets rolled out? It will be the V7R. And why is that? Sheer beauty and character and the fact that Little Goose, the V7R, loves to be flogged to the limit. She demands specific attention, technique and care to give her best ride. We ALWAYS have fun. Time for a new rear tire though, number three. I cleaned her up a few weeks back. Need to add the big top bag and side bags and prep for motorcycle camping as October progresses.
The STRX is a screaming bitch of a bike. Sharp as a razor. Damn fun. Character is in the sound and brutal acceleration and handling. Mary Anne demands I am also sharp and focused, all the time. The Guzzi is much more relaxing.
If I could change one thing on the Guzzi: better and stronger brakes.
Not really. The Heron heads are so 50ish. Mike has proved what 4V heads can do on a 750. The Aero engines' Hemi head is an absolute hoot. Put either setup on an 850, and you have an easy 60 horsepower..Any thoughts about how the bottom end of the small block might react to handling 60, maybe more hp? I'm only asking, because I know so little about the SB. My understanding is that it originated as a (350?) ..... can that be right?
Why re-do the V7 line with an 850 engine? They seem to be selling about all they can make of them and their owners don't seem to mind the bike's 1960's performance stats.
Because there's an untapped market of potential "more power" customers out there. Another 10 HP would get them off the fence.
Any thoughts about how the bottom end of the small block might react to handling 60, maybe more hp?There is no reason why the block can't handle 60, or even 100 hp if it's for this. The design is solid (the blocks of many engines, even a lot more powerful, are cut in half on the crankshaft bearings) and, what eventually proves to be not apt, can easily be reinforced.
Because there's an untapped market of potential "more power" customers out there. Another 10 HP would get them off the fence.
So for a whopping 10 or slightly more horsepower, I'm ready to give up incredible tank range and efficiency?
Why redo the line?
Because continual improvements are how you stay competitive.
Hell, even on this very board we've got something like maybe half a dozen people who have owned both a 2TB smallblock and a 1TB smallblock, or even a 1TB V7 and a 1TB V&II.
Why do we assume that this will necessarily happen.
Jenn's M696 - 408# wet, 67 rwghp / 44 torques - REGULARLY gets 55+ mpg with her (manages to at least match V7 mpg with me on it, meaning a low around 48 mpg).
As per the mpg numbers, you are correct there are a lot of bikes out there that get good mpg and still have more power than the V7. I hope they can do it. I know the mpg numbers went down with the Cali 1400 as opposed to the 1100s but that was an altogether radical redesign of the bike and maybe this increase in displacement for the V7 not so dramatic.
I'd hate to see the small block suddenly gain 100# due to changes in the drive train driven by more power.
Peter Y.
Why redo the line?I'm one of those who had a '13 V7 and now have a '16 V7-II. For me, simply more HP would NOT be an improvement. Instead, I'll take less weight, better MPG, ability to use lower octane fuel, longer intervals between oil changes, and/or user-selectable multiple fuel maps. Maybe I'm lighter than some of you folks, but I seem to have adequate power to pass on hills. YMMV.
Because continual improvements are how you stay competitive.
Hell, even on this very board we've got something like maybe half a dozen people who have owned both a 2TB smallblock and a 1TB smallblock, or even a 1TB V7 and a 1TB V7II.
Why do we assume that this will necessarily happen?
Jenn's M696 - 408# wet, 67 rwghp / 44 torques - REGULARLY gets 55+ mpg with her (manages to at least match V7 mpg with me on it, meaning a low around 48 mpg).
... For me, simply more HP would NOT be an improvement. Instead, I'll take less weight, better MPG, ability to use lower octane fuel, longer intervals between oil changes, ..... YMMV.
My BMW F800R is around 75 hp. I filled up yesterday: 3.3 gallon at 208 miles. 63 mpg. :thumb: :thumb:
Mike
I'm one of those who had a '13 V7 and now have a '16 V7-II. For me, simply more HP would NOT be an improvement. Instead, I'll take less weight, better MPG, ability to use lower octane fuel, longer intervals between oil changes, and/or user-selectable multiple fuel maps. Maybe I'm lighter than some of you folks, but I seem to have adequate power to pass on hills. YMMV.
MG would do well to attract more riders looking for something else other than the current models. There needs to be an influx of younger riders, new blood to revitalize sales.True enough ..... and of course, the new R1200RS is now on showroom floors. BMW goes thru this every so often .... now you see it, now you don't. However, even during the years when the boxer RS was not being produced, BMW kept a flying brick RS in the mix for several years. My first Beemer was a 1985 K100RS. My last RS was a 1999 K1200RS. There were a few other K/RS bikes in between.
If the ST market is supposedly going away it is strange that everyone else is going lighter but with an ST flavor to their bikes. What BMW is doing is a great example. It sure doesn't look like their F800 series are loss leaders.
Here you go, boys...
Looks like it was inspired by Harley's "48". Fat tires, new fuel tank, and bobbed rear fender.
Take a close look at the cylinder heads and valve covers
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/october/new-guzzi-v7-gets-chunky/
(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/550758/1752x1168/Moto-Guzzi-V7-Audace-004.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/550758/1752x1168/Moto-Guzzi-V7-Audace-009.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
Obviously still a pre-production test bike, but looks pretty cool...
I think I like it !!!
do you think those are different valve covers or new heads?
Here you go, boys...
but looks pretty cool...
I think I like it !!!
Still looks cobbled together. Doubt that's the final body work, especially (hopefully) the tank.
Heads look beefy.
Emehgaud I can't think of words to describe the ugly, looks like its got bugger all suspension travel to boot, what pretty much killed the 48 here, well it might still be available you couldn't give the things away second hand though.
bugger all suspension travel to boot, what pretty much killed the 48 here
The bike is obviously cobbed-up. A pre-production bike. But, there are many details to see. And many parts that are proprietary, and will likely see production.
-The fuel tank. I've got news for you. You don't cob up a steel fuel tank to that degree of finish. My money says that's the new 850 Audace fuel tank. And, unfortunately, I'll bet it's @ 3.5 gallons.
Noticeable changed parts:
-the exhaust
-The wheels
-The speedo
-The headlight mount
-The front fender
-The rear fender
-the footpeg mounts and foot levers
-the rear frame rails, behind the shock mounts
There are still some unused tabs on the frame. And there are no side covers. The rear tail light/license plate is taped and bungeed. The bike has nasty black primer on it.
I think this may be closer to a production bike than some of you want to believe.
And going after the mid-size standard cruiser customer is not a bad plan.
Where? "48" is one of the best selling bikes in the Harley lineup.
Kev,
Yeah. I don't disagree. However, I think the young urban buyer who might cross shop a Bolt or "48", might consider this 850 Audace for its European panache. I'm not sure that the younger standard cruiser buyer is as hung up on cubic inches as the average American feet-forward big cruiser buyer definitely is.
And what's this mythical "urban" buyer? The vast majority of the younger generation that lives in cities does so to NOT own a car or motorcycle in the first place.Moto Guzzi does not need to sell bikes to the vast majority of people. It needs only to sell this bike to a small minority to makes a success of it.
I knew I recognized the lines on the fuel tank.The tank will probably acquire additional Cali-style side covers to me.
Inspired by the X-75?
Moto Guzzi does not need to sell bikes to the vast majority of people. It needs only to sell this bike to a small minority to makes a success of it.
The potential buyer is the same that convinced Yamaha to produce the XV950.
(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/550758/1752x1168/Moto-Guzzi-V7-Audace-004.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
An updated V800 with more power and an adventure model would have put Guzzi in the running for 2 of those sales. Not sure they could/should try to compete on price.
Mike
I understand that.
BUT I'm saying that the vast majority of kids in US cities don't buy ANY BIKES.
If there are a few dozen who DO, why do you think Guzzi is going to get 100% of them?
Double wall exhaust headers? :popcorn:
Where I live, the Bolt is ridden pretty much exclusively by guys in their 20s and 30s. Same for the Iron 883.
(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/upload/303078/images/1752x1168/xv950-2.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
(http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/189295-3/2009_HD_Iron883_IMG_0180.jpg)
Speaking of double walls ... I see the tank has a big port on top. Which makes senses if there is a shroud or set of covers that would be set flush with the top of that big port.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/tank%20port_zpsovvkyizb.jpg)
Thats a big gap ... looks like over an inch. A solid tank of that bigger size would be a decent size.
Someone ought to tell the kids in SF to stop buying Ducatis then, they are all over the place, ridden by the younger crowd. Try to find a CX500 for sale, a decent one costs more than originally sold for, same with Honda 360s. $3000 for a 70s Honda 360, the original vibromatic? Young people scoop them up.
If MG could sell to 10% of the younger bike buying market there they'd probably double their annual sales numbers. Just a wild guess.
I see a LOT of Bonneville's and Vespa's driving thru SF.
But that doesn't mean they're all owned by 20'somethings right?
Here you go, boys...
(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/550758/1752x1168/Moto-Guzzi-V7-Audace-004.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
Looks like new heads, to me.
oil cooler too.
My guess is this is the new 850, and 65 HP on the ground. Look out Sportsters and Bonnies.
(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/PageFiles/550758/1752x1168/Moto-Guzzi-V7-Audace-004.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)
oil cooler too.
My guess is this is the new 850, and 65 HP on the ground. Look out Sportsters and Bonnies.
The guy riding the bike is not a hipster, almost certainly a Guzzi test rider of typical Italian size. He doesn't looked squeezed at all to me, his knees are not even close to a 90 angle to hips, so I suspect there may be considerably more leg room than on the current small block.
Appears they found room for ABS as well. Is it now mandatory?
Best,
Peter
Son of Ippogrifo?
(http://www.epfguzzi.com/models/ippogrifo700.jpg)
No... but chances are good. I see so many young people now in SF. Maybe it's just me getting older but I see mostly under 30's there now. Apartment rentals are very had to find and the average 1 bdr 800 sqft apartment is renting for $2900/$3100 per month. Over 50's aren't paying that.
A another cruiser type MG is just an also ran but never quite made it.
They probably dont want to make the mule too pretty or it might steal/slow potential sales from the existing models in inventory.
The bungee cord and duct tape holding the tail light and license plate would fit right in at the average Guzzi campout here in flyover country! LOL!
All this is pure speculation, but if they do come out with a small block 850, I would expect them to phase out the 750 as they did with the earlier displacement small blocks. Then focus on the 850 / 6 speed as their new best seller. Will have 8V, and dual disks up front would be nice. Get rid of the Racer with the number plates and all its bling, and call the new 850 with clipons and rear sets the "LeMans".
You heard it first right here!
My BMW F800R is around 75 hp. I filled up yesterday: 3.3 gallon at 208 miles. 63 mpg. :thumb: :thumb:
Mike
Curmudgeon Editor Burns notes, “Footpegs moved forward lower seat pullback handlebar smaller gas tank dual exhausts that’ll probably drag around every corner! Don’t know why they didn’t do it years ago!”
The Swingarm is old flavored, but is completely new. It's thicker, has different ribs, and a different system for retaining the wheel's hub.
Not my cup of tea, but if the basic platform folds into the V7 with more HP and better suspension that would be a good thing for sales.
It's funny cause you would think this WOULD be my cup of tea...but I can't get past that tank.
It's funny cause you would think this WOULD be my cup of tea...but I can't get past that tank.
I know some will scoff, but the tank shape was always part of my love/hate relationship with my Jackal (and arguably my Breva too).
The tank SHAPE is SO IMPORTANT to me visually (and functionally from a size and airflow perspective).
So I kinda hope along the same lines as you, but I'm wondering how they could possibly do that?
If this is basically a smallblock frame, then I know there was little clearance between the tank on my V7 and the cylinders. I can't imagine they have room for it?
Some were wondering if this tank wasn't designed to be covered with a shroud (God I hope it is, I really don't like the shape). I would think the Cali 1400 style shroud with cut-outs could mostly preserve a more "traditional" shape, closer to the V7. But of course, you would lose the range.
You'd thinking that the tilting forward and lowering of the engine in the V7II would give a little more room for a taller engine with the existing tank.
I'm still thinking they'll throw on the large v7 tank.
I'm still thinking they'll throw on the large v7 tank.
Or. Put a version of this motor in the existing V7 Stone/Special/Racer.
The next five weeks is going to pass too slowly...
EICMA - Milan. 19 to 22 November 2015.
http://www.eicma.it/
Or. Put a version of this motor in the existing V7 Stone/Special/Racer.
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(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/100615-spy-photo-Moto-Guzzi-V7-Eldorrado-005-583x389.jpg)
I'm fretting because I'm not optimistic they've got room for more traditional tank designs and because (and this is ironic considering Beetle's recent attack on me) I'm worried they are heading down a cruiser path when this could make a competitive Racer, a neo-LeMans, a baby Stelvio.
You misunderstand me.
Competitiveness in the market place doesn't have to be competitive on the track.
Now when I say a baby Stelvio would be competitive, I simply mean it could attract buyers based on size and simplicity.
As for the Neo-LeMans it would fit in the classic category.
I don't think it's been discussed yet, but how much more power can be put into a V7 framed bike until it'll need a reaction-compensated final drive like its big brothers? This would add extra complexity and more unsprung weight, as well as extra cost.
In our magazine "Motorrad" a small article with pictures showed something that seems to be an addition to the V7 II line. They say that it is only a model variant, but....
Looking at the engine it seems to be different from what we know. I found the picture online here: http://www.insella.it/news/moto-guzzi-v7-ii-2016-arrivo-una-bobber-132796 . This to me is an altered engine. Perhaps it is only all cosmetically. Let�s see!
"Motorrad" also mentioned that there will be a small cruiser.
Interesting: in 2015 there have been sold 535 V7 (Stone, Special, Racer) up to the end of August here in Germany, second was the Cali 1400 with 118 units.
The ground is pretty wet on this forum from so many folks peeing in their pants waiting for some real news. Maybe we need a betting pool to keep us occupied until then.
The ground is pretty wet on this forum from so many folks peeing in their pants waiting for some real news. Maybe we need a betting pool to keep us occupied until then.
The ground is pretty wet on this forum from so many folks peeing in their pants waiting for some real news. Maybe we need a betting pool to keep us occupied until then.
http://www.motoguzzi.it/
http://www.motoguzzi.com/
Bike profile on the official site.
If I tilt my laptop screen back to just the right angle, there is a reasonable level of detail.
Sorry, the tank is too much like a Nevada.
In my best broken english italian accent "she's a no good" I am interested to see the spec sheet, maybe they put the new mill in the existing Racer too? and also upgrade the suspension a'la Thruxton R, then you have my attention.
* It just plain looks better in the dark. :boozing:If it looks anything like the spy photos, then yes, looks better in the dark.
I can't wait for the full reveal and I wish them well with this.
It's going to be an interesting year trying to get a demo on this and the new Bonnies!
Here is my photoshop attempt:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5811/22941336326_f9e8fcae19_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AXfm2u)v9 (https://flic.kr/p/AXfm2u) by jay_snyder67 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/97354518@N02/), on Flickr
It definitely has the "Brat Style" look with the fat tires. It's not bad looking, but, I prefer the V7.
Those fat tires have got to be a lot of unsprung weight.
Add me to the list of people hoping that this engine finds its way into a more traditional V7 looking bike.
With this change of lighting levels, you can clearly see that if it isn't the current small block frame, it certainly evolved from it.
Look specifically at the frame tubing around the side cover.
The more I look at this, the more I realize that it IS the V7II frame & swing arm.
I've tweaked the levels a little more to make it easier to see the the frame:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5720/22549269008_42618123a1_o.jpg)
It makes me wonder if the changes to the frame for the V7II wasn't just done to make room for the larger small block, and, of course the 6 speed transmission?
With this bike in the lineup, the V7 Racer better become the V9 Racer.
The more I look at this, the more I realize that it IS the V7II frame & swing arm.Already seen on the spy shots. The swing arm is different, although, having been done to fit to the same engine and frame, it's probably "plug & play" with the V7 II gearbox.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yglnDTBT8x6GwEQe-3geq07aRJ997pKcZIXE69PWQYolFcKsjpIj6JcjveyxM5xiLqxDqxZP6QQVp2LuXqVmS0q9iFrwyYtXz_pQ4q8FeibjD2ch-xqwyQco1p904PnBZZ9iSjpoqJEo3tbB5dDFpT2_xDfBc-9Ad39Tqp2UNTM0IdxC0wFglQHqNUbt260EzWBkfBfn4wvrx1iDjFQcXen0HCjplpon40BhKntkXJ7l6GUkb5jwzIrHG9iFtGu--IsgOWOGhulgrs8FSSi8ld61gTBN7hqoXYSgdoqHRs1iUtMYfTevlCFSCe43qG5Y-Tgmc6AmU8P9cEd8jjtNJznONoyT3_x5t820xrxu7xVsD8EnNH7mY7rpQ6g8U9oX25MaBmRjbNeQ04iuMGo-ylxbjhNXVLLg7Vh3rXPhvfYAZNKZeNliNniAArBetEhGwyUK-j9CLSQB-ijzqJwdcAYTil0EJyz0z8wjX0zzKrMFwIZYTy9VvAqQQCdq7M97sHwAQ2gHKBswYWAWPwGend-PtAd8yi1uw6P1ajk8qOs=w1440-h924-no)
(http://moto-data.com/moto/Moto-Guzzi-Ippogrifo-V7-id-7441.jpg)
Here is my photoshop attempt:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5811/22941336326_f9e8fcae19_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AXfm2u)v9 (https://flic.kr/p/AXfm2u) by jay_snyder67 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/97354518@N02/), on Flickr
It definitely has the "Brat Style" look with the fat tires. It's not bad looking, but, I prefer the V7.
Those fat tires have got to be a lot of unsprung weight.
Add me to the list of people hoping that this engine finds its way into a more traditional V7 looking bike.
With this change of lighting levels, you can clearly see that if it isn't the current small block frame, it certainly evolved from it.
Look specifically at the frame tubing around the side cover.
(Sigh!) Another step down the slippery slope towards abjectly awful. What a shame that Piaggio have chosen to turn Guzzi into a parody of what it once was.
(http://databikes.com/imgs/a/d/l/l/l/moto_guzzi__nevada_750_classic_2013_2_lgw.jpg)Moto Guzzi aren't the only Italian moto company to make such a monstrosity. Ducati saw Guzzi's Nevada, and raised them with ugly wheels.
The picture looks like some one grabbed up an XS650 and stuck a small block Guzzi motor in it.
(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/100615-spy-photo-Moto-Guzzi-V7-Eldorrado-005-583x389.jpg)
It's a good thing we all have different tastes though otherwise we'd all be riding the same bike. :-)
John
Single instrument? Bet it still stops the whole bike if it fails though! Now let's see, what other ways can we create possible breakdowns?
Both kind of remind me of the early Honda Shadow, and some of the other "chopper parodies" of the 80's.
(Sigh!) Another step down the slippery slope towards abjectly awful. What a shame that Piaggio have chosen to turn Guzzi into a parody of what it once was.
Well , like the B52 , why replace something that still works ?
Dusty
Moto Guzzi aren't the only Italian moto company to make such a monstrosity. Ducati saw Guzzi's Nevada, and raised them with ugly wheels.
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20650%20Indiana%20%20%201.jpg)
Both kind of remind me of the early Honda Shadow, and some of the other "chopper parodies" of the 80's.
I like it. It's awesome. Great little roadster.
I like how the foot pegs have been lowered even more than the V7-II.
New lower frame rail and foot controls on the V9 will surely make it more comfortable for those with longer legs.
My 2014 V7 Special really folds my legs up. Once I pass 250 miles, I start feeling it.
I also like the fuel tank. Sure, it's smaller. But, it has some style! It reminds me of the Hurricane of the '70s. Not a bad thing.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Triumph_X75_Hurricane.jpg)
I think the drive shaft and the physics limit rear suspension travel design. Don't think you will ever see 7 or 8 inch travel.
I would make sure the tank and seat from the current V7 could be used on the new V9 series. Maybe even the side covers and suspension would be easy to swap with a few mods needed.
That would be an incentive for the new buyers - the ability to change the bike looks and suspension later on, without having to refab and weld. Easy Peasly swaps please!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/japan%20v7%20tank%20pad1_zpswppfittw.jpg)
I want that tank pad! All the good stuff for the V7 should be able to fit the V9.
Well, I've got silly hipster wheels on the Griso! :grin:
Pete
The one with the fat tyres looks like the sort of thing you see with kids sitting on it on a fairground attraction.
I understand people wanting that 'Style' of bike, (Well I don't, but if obsolete styling and technology floats your boat that's fine.) but why can't it go hand in hand with something that will actually work for something other than carrying your beard grooming products back from the vegan cafe?
Pete
The one with the fat tyres looks like the sort of thing you see with kids sitting on it on a fairground attraction.
I understand people wanting that 'Style' of bike, (Well I don't, but if obsolete styling and technology floats your boat that's fine.) but why can't it go hand in hand with something that will actually work for something other than carrying your beard grooming products back from the vegan cafe?
Pete
nope not fer me as is - leaving aside what looks to be heron heads again??They are hemi.
Moto Guzzi aren't the only Italian moto company to make such a monstrosity. Ducati saw Guzzi's Nevada, and raised them with ugly wheels.Really the Indiana predates the Nevada, and is a contemporary of the V65 Florida. It was the style that sold on those days, as the similar japanese bikes demonstrates.
They are hemi.
It seems they are 2V, like those of the Aero engine.
I like it. It's awesome. Great little roadster.
I also like the fuel tank. Sure, it's smaller. But, it has some style! It reminds me of the Hurricane of the '70s. Not a bad thing.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Triumph_X75_Hurricane.jpg)
It seems they are 2V, like those of the Aero engine.I don't think so:
I don't think so:Those are V7 Engines, as you can easily guess from the color and the numbers of the fins (the "V9" engine has black fins with polished edges and a fin more over the exhaust).
Based on what?Said by someone who works at Gilardoni (they make the cylinders). obviously is not like having seen them in person, but i think he is reliable.
I don't think they could get a 2V hemi to meet emissions regsthe Ducati Scrambler, both the 800 and the soon-to-be-presented 400, are 2V hemi.
the Ducati Scrambler, both the 800 and the soon-to-be-presented 400, are 2V hemi.
Included valve angle? Combustion chamber shape?Even giving that the included valve angle and combustion chamber shape of the Ducs are the only possible to meet the emmission standards (and it's already an idiocy) there is something in the included valve angle and combustion chamber shape of the Ducs that makes it impossible for others to use them?
Guzzi has the Hemi head, it chooses not to use it. Why?The Bellagio still has hemi heads. Is not like they never used them.
Even giving that the included valve angle and combustion chamber shape of the Ducs are the only possible to meet the emmission standards (and it's already an idiocy) there is something in the included valve angle and combustion chamber shape of the Ducs that makes it impossible for others to use them?
The Bellagio still has hemi heads. Is not like they never used them.
But, seriously, though, why would it be any tougher for an engine to meet emissions standards with hemi heads than with heron heads?Infact there is no reason. Other things are important. Valve lift, overlap, swirl...
Ducati are owned by VW, maybe they cheated the emissions tests. :evil:
You may be surprised at how light the steering will be with those tires if the geometry is right.
The styling is indeed in a fashion that is popular these days-imagine, they want to sell some motorcycles. Hang them high!
But as most of those styling cues come from popularity, so too is the popularity due to the fact that most of it just plain works when it comes to using the bike. Not everyone is worried about unsprung weight.
Dang! I want that tank pad, too. Where? How much?
I think Kevm got his frame protectors from here too. :thumb:
I kinda like it:
(http://put.edidomus.it/dueruote/news/foto/432936_5208_big_v9.jpg)
UH OH , another hipster comes out :laugh: Like I said earlier , the black wheels create an illusion that the tires are kinda fat .
Dusty
High resolution.
http://teamsicilia.org/wp-content/uploads/moto_guzzi_v9_bobber_anteprima.jpg
Whats the source for the shot of the white version?http://www.moto.it/news/eicma-2015-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer.html
(http://images.moto.it/images/1360533/700x/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-34dx-bianco.jpg)
Is the moto.it page just speculation, or was there an actual announcement from Moto Guzzi?The images are evidently the kind given to the press by the firm itself.
So, if EICMA doesn't start until the 19th, where do the pics and announcement:
http://www.moto.it/news/eicma-2015-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer.html (http://www.moto.it/news/eicma-2015-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer.html)
come from? Moto Guzzi's international page is still showing the dark, almost silhouette picture.
Is the moto.it page just speculation, or was there an actual announcement from Moto Guzzi?
I like the look of the white bike a lot better. The narrow front tire looks "right." As for the fuel tank shape, Meh. I'm thinking I'd still like it better with the V7 tank, though, the bike as a whole is starting to grow on me.
I'm axious for the official reveal at EICMA.
(http://images.moto.it/images/1360533/700x/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-34dx-bianco.jpg)
That's a really nice looking vintage-styled standard roadster. :thumb:
I like how they've lifted the tank and seat to show off the horizontal top rail of the frame.
I also like the lowered footpegs, thanks to yet another lower frame rail modification by the factory.
And, I like the rear fender better on this one, than on the fat-tired black version. Better lines, to my eye...
The technical material is fully shared with the sister Roamer, with a fast, lightweight chassis that houses the V-twin cross from 850cc to 55 horses and 62Nm available mainly only 3,000 rpm, to provide for a lively but relaxed at the same time.62 Nm, that's only 45 lb*ft of torque. And 55 HP? Only 5 more than the V7? I'm not impressed.
Of course endless list of customization available, along the lines of ' operation Garage Guzzi V7 dedicated to that ... without much imagination we imagine easily enlarged successfully to the new V9.
(Sigh!) Another step down the slippery slope towards abjectly awful. What a shame that Piaggio have chosen to turn Guzzi into a parody of what it once was.
I'm waiting to hear about a V9 Racer, etc. Also wondering with bated breath about the heads. Hemi or Heron? I hope Dogwalkers source is right. DW often is... Thanks for that.
Come on new frame, USD fork, V9! ;) (I know I'm kidding myself)
Well I'm not sure where PaulDaytona got his data, but, if the V9 is only 55 HP, then I'd definitely say the heads are Heron.55 hp were reported in a first version of the article on Moto.it, then it was cancelled. Is still reported on Motorbox.
Only remaining overlap is the "traveller". Will they choose for the Stelvio or the Caponord?Since the Stelvio is untouched from 2011, it seems that they have already decided.
Since the Stelvio is untouched from 2011, it seems that they have already decided.
That's a shame, since the Stelvio had decent sales, while the Caponord total production can be measured in " a few undreds".
The technical material is fully shared with the sister Roamer, with a fast, lightweight chassis that houses the V-twin cross from 850cc to 55 horses and 62Nm available mainly only 3,000 rpm, to provide for a lively but relaxed at the same time.
55 hp were reported in a first version of the article on Moto.it, then it was cancelled. Is still reported on Motorbox.
http://www.motorbox.com/moto/magazine-moto/moto-novita/moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-le-prime-foto
Effectively, 55 hp (49-50 at the real wheel) are what can be expected by a heron head 850, while, with an hemi head, about 58 hp at the rear wheel are more likely.
I'm glad to see the styling of the heads on the V7 didn't make it over to the V9, those heads are among the ugliest part of those bikes
I think it is a lazy design...(http://kardiac-kitten.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/IMAG1498.jpg)
I was wondering if the parts lists were up yet but the Piaggio website is down for 'Extraordinarily Maintenance', (The mind boggles!). It will apparently be up again on the 16th.
Pete
Moto Guzzi aren't the only Italian moto company to make such a monstrosity. Ducati saw Guzzi's Nevada, and raised them with ugly wheels.The Nevada is better looking than than all the ones its been compared to, and anyone that takes one out for a little thrashing will agree that it's a great handling little thing. No, it ain't much to look at, but it works real well. How many of those Florida/Nevadas did MG sell around the world? (Note: Including the Indiana, that's four states) Someone liked them. Anyhoo, I have one I'm taking out for a few miles every 2 weeks (or 4) and it's great fun. it's been all over Texas, La, Ms, Al, Fl, and Ar. It's still under 20K mi.
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20650%20Indiana%20%20%201.jpg)
Both kind of remind me of the early Honda Shadow, and some of the other "chopper parodies" of the 80's.
BUT CONSIDERING THE SCRAMBLER IS 70 RWHP even 60 rwhp would be lacking somewhat for the competition.The Scrambler has an OHC and a way more oversquare bore/stroke ratio. It has the maximum power at 8500 rpm, were a long pushrod engine cannot come. It was clear from the start that the 850 could not have its performance.
Perhaps the 55hp was referring to RW HP?We can hope it. Even more, since 62 nm from an 850 are a pretty low figure, for the heron heads also (it would mean practically no gain over the 750).
The question is the weight the bike.Reported around 190kg /419 lb. Only a kg more than the V7.
Can't wait to see the v9 Bobber vs Bolt vs 883 brawl!
The cool thing for guzzi is that as long as this V9 stays below 500lb, it will walk all over the competition even if it makes less power.
883 Sportster is 560-570lb
Bolt is right at 540lb
And both of these turds only make ~45ish hp at the wheels.
I'm sure guzzi can at least match the power with this new engine. The question is the weight the bike. I think this new bike is going to be a RIOT! Kind of like a lot of their other bikes. Keeping my fingers crossed....
Reported around 190kg /419 lb. Only a kg more than the V7.
I'll check my charts on Monday, but the "turd" as you refer to it 883 already at least matches the V7 in the 1/4 mile. It takes nothing more than a set of mufflers to take it from about 46-48 rwhp to 50+ rwhp, which changes the equation again.
The key to the 883 is MUCH lower gearing so it gets off the line well, but wouldn't do as well on the highway.
But then again I've never felt my V7 was really a highway bike either anyway.
Chances are good this thing will have a 6speed,
Hmmm, maybe a V9 Racer? This is on Guzzi's Facebook page.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/638/22579360157_37fb7853ab_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/Apg884)Screen Shot 2015-11-13 at 9.00.25 PM (https://flic.kr/p/Apg884) by jay_snyder67 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/97354518@N02/), on Flickr
That's a vintage custom big block Tonti cafe racer.
Sad day when you rely on Ass Candy.
Gotta say, they look better in paint, and under the lights.
Thanks for the pix Dogwalker. :thumb:
When you are a business, you have to cater to your customer, and make what sells; not just to us old curmudgeons on this forum, but, the wider public. If this increases the customer base for Moto Guzzi, it doesn't matter what we think, it is still a good thing for us, as it helps insure that Moto Guzzi can "keep going out of business" for another 95 years.
Even though I prefer the looks of the V7, I do have to agree. I don't hate them.
At the end of the day though the real question is what is under those rocker covers though.
Looks like two different rocker covers. (?) The white one "could" be a 2V hemi. The other "could" be a 4V.
Or not.
:smiley:
Thanks for the pix, Dogwalker.. :thumb:
First impression is that I like them. I like the variety of stuff going on there. We spent years bitching about the lack of accessories...and here they are. Factory pipe wrap? (if that's indeed what it seems to be) Hell yeah! No one else does that and lots of people want it but are too lazy to do it themselves or too cheap to pay someone to do it after the purchase. It's genius really.
The white "Scrambler" would still be the V7 II 750. Hence the current valve covers.It is. The name is engraved in the aluminium flank. It's a V7 II with the complete Scrambler Kit factory mounted.
Maybe that's the new Stornello?
GAKK! :violent1: :grin:
Ya know I just realized that Pete and Steve are both older than Me, Jay, Cam, Rocker, and I'm assuming BPRey and Aaron too.
I'm just saying.
And yeah, I'm liking em more. Still prefer the V7 tank, but I don't have any other real objections.
Here's the funny thing-I'm not only older than you, I'm older than Pete. At least in geezer years.
Otherwise, I'm just a kid!
Moto Guzzi's motorcycle range expands with the arrival of the V9, a totally new mid-size custom bike, which comes in two versions with distinct styles and character.
The V9 Roamer and the V9 Bobber are Moto Guzzi's easy cruisers, light, agile and built for excitement, like all Moto Guzzis, at Mandello del Lario.
The V9 Roamer, an evolution of the Nevada, is an elegant and universal custom; the V9 Bobber is the daring and essential soul of the V9. Both stand our for the exceptional quality of their components and high grade finishes.
The V9 sees the debut of the new 850 cc twin cylinder euro 4 engine, whose unprecedented torque, smoothness and responsiveness improve the ride of the two Italian cruisers, both extraordinary in the typical Moto Guzzi tradition.
own model website: http://v9.motoguzzi.com/en/
A real rider knows that all this also counts in the saddle. Absolute power is not everything. The important thing is to use it to the fullest, just like the V9, with its new 850cc V2 heart, designed to deliver a vigorous torque. And to be responsive and ready when needed.
have they published the actual tank size exactly?15 l, 3.9 gallons.
Apparently WG is inhabited by several
HIPSTERS
:laugh:
Dusty
Ya know, maybe I'd rather be a little Hipster than a lot of curmudgeon.
Maybe this is the bike that saves....
sorry to be negative.... just wanted to point out its not only old geezers that don't get it.
The V9 is definitely better, in fact vastly better than the Nevada, but it still has that look. The new tank is just the transition from that previous look....
Well, for those that compared it to the Nevada, Moto Guzzi sees this as the "evolution of the Nevada."
Maybe that's a Guzzi specific brand of buyer??? A Curmudgster? A hipmudgeon? :grin: :laugh:
What I'm also kinda wondering is if those windshields listed in the V9 catalog of bling - and different than the V7 offerings - would bolt up to my Stone? They seem headlight mounted maybe.
Nor this beauty!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/Amazonass_zpsxbozc8qf.jpg)
:boozing:
MGX 21
(http://www.motociclismo.it/galleries/image/13505/219418/F)
(http://www.motociclismo.it/galleries/image/13505/219419/F)
(http://www.motociclismo.it/galleries/image/13505/219412/F)
(http://www.motociclismo.it/galleries/image/13505/219416/F)
So the Griso is dead, at least as far as an ABS version is concerned. No "muscle" bike in the inventory. Norge and Stelvio? I suppose they'll limp on a couple more years with paint changes.
Kinda sad, to me. Nothing in the lineup now would pull me away from my FJR or Street Triple R. If they'd come out with an ABS Griso, as I already told Chelsea Lahmers at Scoot Richmond, I'd be trading my STripleR in on one.
So it goes. For the cruiser crowd and the small-block lower-speed crowd, Guzzi has delivered a bunch of swell goodies. Yes, that V9 is pretty sweet...yet only 5hp more than the V7 doesn't exactly wow me. That's just my own opinion and only for my taste, style, wallet, and interests.
On the other hand, just about every brand goes thru duller periods of design
I don't think I personally am quite ready to declare this a duller period of design. In fact, I see more going on here from Guzzi than I've seen in many years and that's exciting. Also, I'm not sure I'm ready to take the curmudgeons opinions on this board :grin: as any sort of final determining factor on a bike's success or failure. I recall the V7 wasn't exactly welcomed here as the savior of the company but in reality that's exactly what it is.
Can someone please explain the "Flying Fortress" nickname I've heard in reference to the MGX21? I know the B-17 WWII airplane, but I just don't see the similarity?
Can I have a roll eye, brothers? :rolleyes: :smiley: :smiley:
It's not a "nickname". It's what they've decided to call it.
http://mgx21.motoguzzi.com/en/
"THE FLYING FORTRESS IS LANDING ON EARTH
Dark, elegant, powerful.
Futuristic and exclusive, with a limited production run, will be shortly available for reservation online.
First contact with the asphalt from 8th to 14th August 2016 at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, the most famous US bikers event that for 75 years has been the coolest gathering for thousands of bikers and for the best motorcycles of all time."
They should make it with some pin up girl art on the fairing, guess that would be too sexist.
I have always like those names "Flying Fortress", "Super Fortress", "Strato Fortress".I believe the Brits actually named several of our plane that they also flew. Boeing probably left it at "B-17." Think it was the same case for the P-38 "Lightning", and P-51 "Mustang." Huh ...! So they (MG) really do want to be the "Italian Harley Davidson." Good luck with that. (IMHO)
"Flying Fortress" is a great name. It may have some appeal to the Sturgis Bagger Crowd.
It strikes me as odd, but I'm not the typical American bagger customer.
I guess Boeing doesn't still own that name. I'm a little shocked that an Italian company is applying it to a motorcycle.
You have got to watch the video for the MGX, I don't know what to say??? :shocked:
Why only 5 more HP? Because that is all the marginal transmission and rear drive can handle.
Can I have a roll eye, brothers? :rolleyes: :smiley: :smiley:
I believe the Brits actually named several of our plane that they also flew. Boeing probably left it at "B-17." Think it was the same case for the P-38 "Lightning", and P-51 "Mustang." Huh ...! So they (MG) really do want to be the "Italian Harley Davidson." Good luck with that. (IMHO)
Why only 5 more HP? Because that is all the marginal transmission and rear drive can handle.
Yeah, I don't get some of the English translations the Guzzi people come up with.
Flying Fortress?
They shoulda called it the Black Batbike or Dark Bat Bike or something like that.
I just wanna see the character that actually buys one of those and rides it down the road with a straight face.
Eyes rolling.
Yeah, I don't get some of the English translations the Guzzi people come up with.
Flying Fortress?
They shoulda called it the Black Batbike or Dark Bat Bike or something like that.
I just wanna see the character that actually buys one of those and rides it down the road with a straight face.
Eyes rolling.
Changing the rear tyre is going to be a laugh a minute too.......
Why only 5 more HP? Because that is all the marginal transmission and rear drive can handle.The transmission is completely new. The V7 II gearbox is practically a Shiver gearbox turned 90°, and there is a new two-joints (BB-style) driveshaft in the V9.
I hear Cycleworld will be doing a comparo test in an upcoming issue:
(http://m.moto-station.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/MGX-21_1-500x375.jpg)
vs.
(http://www.danspapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Authentic1966Batmobile.jpg)
Nice try, but... "Richard Williams, a reporter for the Seattle Times, coined the name "Flying Fortress" when the Model 299 was rolled out" before the first flight in July 1935. "Boeing was quick to see the value of the name and had it trademarked for use."Nice try ....... but no cigar for me! I had forgotten the story about the Seattle reporter putting the 'fortress' tag on the 299. Here's where I got it confused. The RAF did use their own series designations for various Fortress models:
:boozing:
Swing and a miss on the Fortress name. Doesn't look like an old bomber, has no design cues to hint at an old bomber (hell, a brown seat with sheep skin trim would be good enough) but there are plenty of indications they could have dipped into DC or Marvel Comics for a name.
I'd fire the ad agency that came up with that one.
Silly name for sure , but it might not be referencing a bomber . Could just be meaning fortress in a more general way . Of course , this isn't the first instance of a goofy name attached to some product .
Dusty
Brother Dusty,
You take "Assume Positive Intent" to the max, my friend !!
Does my poor eyes see aluminum bezels around the hand switches? :boozing:
Yup. That yellow one is growing on me...... :boozing:
There is a video on youtube of a v9Roamer, set up for touring, with a completely different seat, leather bags, and rack with tail bag, and windshield. The more I see the Roamer, the more I like it, it looks like it would be a very comfortable ride.
The line of the tank.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IUC8mSo9EyE/Vk4XO4yquoI/AAAAAAAAHoQ/vznqfr6tGAQ/s800-Ic42/IMG-20151117-WA0007.jpeg)
Mike, the smallblock has an all new gearbox, sox speed with forced lubrication. The V9 seems to have a scaled down version of the Cali 14 bevelbox. Certainly the casting for both box and arm are new. It is also mentioned that the new cardan shaft incorporates two hookes couplings rather than the one of the earlier smallblock.
Pete
The shape of the tank from this angle is sort of like the head of a Praying Mantis.
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The Guzzi Mantis:
The Guzzi MantisIt could have been a good name. Better than Roamer probably.
I see the ad campaign already:Are you ready for a Guzzi?
Introducing the all new Guzzi Mantis
Like a mistress that will give you the ride of your life before ripping your head off!
I see the ad campaign already:
Look, mamma, I know you warned me about those other girls, but I swear this time it might really be love.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc57/bpreynolds/image_zpsdrh3oft4.jpeg) (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/bpreynolds/media/image_zpsdrh3oft4.jpeg.html)
When the factory reps brought those around earlier in the year for public feedback, there was something they told us about the rear tire. Something comes off to give you better access to it.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. After all, a few (very few) people have actually bought a Victory Vision.