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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: guzzimaster on November 01, 2015, 04:49:30 AM
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Oh Baby – Baby - I’m bringing to life a brand new baby Stelvio :bow:
She came home from the Guzzi shop yesterday. Stelvio Rite of Passage: Picked up the new bike and for its first ride - I went 66 miles through Sun – rain – flood rain – gravel roads – hills – curves – more rain – and some freeway – I gave it a good workout.
It’s a 2015. It’s Green. It’s a freakn’ awesome machine. I think I am gonna call it: The Hulk :boozing: I’m smokin’ a cigar.
I have been buying and selling several motorcycles all year trying to earn enough money to buy a Stelvio; of course the Stelvio popped up before I was ready. Already sold the KLR and I still have 1 Moto Guzzi that needs to find a new home - fast. If you know anyone wanting to Style around in a totally refurbished & customized ole classic ’74 LAPD Eldorado 850 :police: I have posted it in the Swap Meet section.
How excited am I about the Stelvio? - It is 2:30AM, woke up thinking it may have been a dream that I got a new Moto Guzzi, so I had to go look at it in the garage. Whew, back to bed.
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Congrats on your new ride. My Stelvio quickly became my favorite motorcycle.
Bob
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Congratulations!
It seems to be a common reaction from Stelvio owners. I've said it a hundred times. My Stelvio is the best all around motorcycle I've ever owned. I still look forward to riding it every day.
I love all my Guzzi's, but there's just something special about the Stelvio.
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Green Stelvio!!!
We must be brothers from different mothers. I know EXACTLY how you feel.
Congrats :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
I put mine to work, right away.
(http://s2.postimg.org/k98lcnd95/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3y8hgc0r9/full/)
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:thumb: Congrats...!
Edit: I just went to have a peek at the Eldo, Wow, what a beauty. GLWS.
Best,
Rob
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Congrats on the new baby! :boozing:
As others, I too love mine. Just yesterday, a friend and I went out and hit 12 of the 18 covered bridges in Ashtabula County in NE Ohio.
John Henry
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Congrats on the new baby! :boozing:
As others, I too love mine. Just yesterday, a friend and I went out and hit 12 of the 18 covered bridges in Ashtabula County in NE Ohio.
John Henry
JH - you saving the other 6 bridges for today........
Mark
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Nice Stelvio! Been getting the urge to add 'just one more' MG to the garage. Been looking hard at the Stelvio... And Griso and Norge...
:bike-037:
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Congratulations and Tally Ho! [I like mine.]
Spud
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Sorry to be the wet blanket but I've got the shits with my green Stelvio on which I've just done some 3,000 km and 7,000 km all up.
I like everything about it except for its fatal floor of excessive vibration at just under 4,000 rpm - and 4,000 rpm translates to 100kph and so is unavoidable during highway travel.
I though initially that fuel remapping could cure it but that has not been the case.
Inquiries from more knowledgeable people than myself only resulted in vague talk about "harmonics" - I think that I understand the concept but not what to do about it.
Anyhow it must be mechanical and according to some Stelvistas to whom I spoke it improves (lessens) with age so I'm currently left with the "ages like wine scenario" and I live in hope.
Any comments from other Stelvio owners? Anyone?
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Hi Ken, I do not notice a significant vibration near 4K rpm. That's around the sweet spot for my bike so I'm riding in that rpm range most of the time. There are couple things I'd suggest to look at: throttle body balance is the most probable problem, another is to double check the bolts that secure the engine to the frame...particularl y the four that connect the heads to the frame, you will have to remove the tank to see them. It's true that the engine will get smoother with age. I have about 24K miles on mine and it felt like it went through a change at about 10K miles. Nevertheless, your vibration is unusual. I hope you can sort it out.
Another thought...down shift and ride in 5th so you are running above the 4K point.
Peter Y.
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Sorry to be the wet blanket but I've got the shits with my green Stelvio on which I've just done some 3,000 km and 7,000 km all up.
I like everything about it except for its fatal floor of excessive vibration at just under 4,000 rpm - and 4,000 rpm translates to 100kph and so is unavoidable during highway travel.
I though initially that fuel remapping could cure it but that has not been the case.
Inquiries from more knowledgeable people than myself only resulted in vague talk about "harmonics" - I think that I understand the concept but not what to do about it.
Anyhow it must be mechanical and according to some Stelvistas to whom I spoke it improves (lessens) with age so I'm currently left with the "ages like wine scenario" and I live in hope.
Any comments from other Stelvio owners? Anyone?
I agree with the aforementioned. Sounds like throttle body balance to me. My Stelvio is smooth from idle to 4000 rpm and beyond. No annoying vibration anywhere in the rpm scale.
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Congratulations on the new Stelvio
But please don't sell the Eldorado, you will never get another so nice
And it's way too cheap.
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The more I hear the more I'm convinced that the vibration between about 3600 and 4000 rpm is NOT unusual. I started asking about this a few months ago as it drives me nuts. My dealer, Seacoast Sport Cycles in New Hampshire has a stellar reputation and some truly exceptional tech's starting with one of the co-owners. They walked me through their tuning process knowing that I had a complaint and the vibration is still very much present. I may try some ROX anti vibe risers but that will only be a band aid as it is a systemic vibration in the pegs and everywhere. The big downside to the vibes is the resultant fatigue. PITA to have to keep shifting gears to either stay above or below.
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Well, maybe this will get us somewhere. I really want to get to the bottom of this and find a cause / solution. I vaguely remember a comment some time back that the Euro, non NTX bikes without the crash bars don't have this problem. As an aside, I have fused my driving lights to but still can't keep from either blowing bulbs or fuses. So I just don't use them. Vibration is the culprit here too I'm sure.
I guess I can try removing the crash bars but then what do I do if that cures it, take a big chance on a costly tip-over? I truly want to find a fix because I like most everything about the bike. It's great two-up, it's different, it handles, has good power delivery, and it's a Guzzi of which I've been a loyalist since 1983.
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I'm very sad to say that the most cogent advice that I've had on this problem came from someone who is not unknown on this board and others.
The conversation went like this:
Bloke: Is it insured?
Me: Yes.
Bloke: Burn it!
Me: :undecided:
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Sorry to be the wet blanket but I've got the shits with my green Stelvio on which I've just done some 3,000 km and 7,000 km all up.
I like everything about it except for its fatal floor of excessive vibration at just under 4,000 rpm - and 4,000 rpm translates to 100kph and so is unavoidable during highway travel.
I though initially that fuel remapping could cure it but that has not been the case.
Inquiries from more knowledgeable people than myself only resulted in vague talk about "harmonics" - I think that I understand the concept but not what to do about it.
Anyhow it must be mechanical and according to some Stelvistas to whom I spoke it improves (lessens) with age so I'm currently left with the "ages like wine scenario" and I live in hope.
Any comments from other Stelvio owners? Anyone?
You call that vibration? Seriously, compared to any parallel twin, and other v-twins I have owned/ridden, the Stelvio vibes are nothing serious...unless the throttle bodies are off, as others have stated. My V-11 has way more vibes, and owning Harleys and XS650s I know vibes. LOL. I have inline 4s that have worse vibes...
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It should be obvious to anyone who has an interest in this thread that the vibration problem is confined to the latest model Stelvios, i.e. the Tenni green ones, thanks for telling us that your earlier model doesn't vibrate but that's just rubbing it in.
I'll except correction on this but I believe that the vibration issue may have started when the top of the engine was redesigned after the roller tappet problems.
Please don't nit pick about rpms because I and others have said or implied that the vibrations start at a little before 4,000rpm and continue on for a bit but cease if you wring it's neck.
This is not normal vibration and as someone pointed out, at this point it goes from what you expect to feel in the handlebars to extra vibration there and is now in the foot-pegs where there was previously none discernible.
Really, if I wanted a vibrating bike I would have bought a HD.
So I'm coming to the view that the problem is probably coming from the head area - maybe valves, cause if it's tappets I can't see them lasting very long even if they have been beefed up.
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S'not related to tappet design. If it was all roller engines would vibrate. I don't have enough experience with later Stelvios to know what is *Normal* and what isn't but the few I have ridden have had a high frequency buzz at that annoying 'Cruise' point. Different fuelling doesn't seem to affect it so it has to be some sort of 'Physical' manifestation. Yes, almost certainly a harmonic of some sort.
Pete
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The more I hear the more I'm convinced that the vibration between about 3600 and 4000 rpm is NOT unusual. I started asking about this a few months ago as it drives me nuts. My dealer, Seacoast Sport Cycles in New Hampshire has a stellar reputation and some truly exceptional tech's starting with one of the co-owners. They walked me through their tuning process knowing that I had a complaint and the vibration is still very much present. I may try some ROX anti vibe risers but that will only be a band aid as it is a systemic vibration in the pegs and everywhere. The big downside to the vibes is the resultant fatigue. PITA to have to keep shifting gears to either stay above or below.
Stellar reputation?
They rollerized my Stelvio at the beginning of the season. I got it back from them with: 1. a bad intake leak 2. valve adjustment off by nearly twice as much as spec 3. throttle bodies way out of balance 4. TPS not set. All things that are specified in the tech bulletin for the change. When I picked it up, I was told by the tech that it was a "sweet running Stelvio". I could tell when he started it up to take it out of the shop it wasn't right.
A year or so ago, I had them change the transmission and rear drive oils (I didn't have the time before heading out on a trip) and they stripped the drain plug in the transmission. I had to install a timecert when I found it stripped on an oil change. They of course denied it.
I've had similar issues with them with my wifes Griso.
Nice guys, but stellar isn't the term I'd use.
If you have a vibration down at that range, I still believe the throttle bodies are out of whack. FWIW, I have zero vibration in my pegs unless I'm running knobbies. 3600-4000 rpm is my normal highway rpm and I have very little vibration. It's not normal. Did they check the engine mounting bolts for tightness? How many miles on the bike? I found that until you hit 10,000 miles on these, they don't run as smoothly.
I guess there's always the possibility that I'm not as sensitive to it, but I doubt it.
If you're local to NH/Mass, you're welcome to swing by my garage and I can check your throttle body balance and if you want, I can load Xlratr's map in. That may smooth things out for you.
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It should be obvious to anyone who has an interest in this thread that the vibration problem is confined to the latest model Stelvios, i.e. the Tenni green ones, thanks for telling us that your earlier model doesn't vibrate but that's just rubbing it in.
I won't get into 'where' the vibes originate from. There is no way to reverse engineer Guzzi logic. Don't try.
The bikes gets better with miles. Trust me (and others) here.
Do the throttle body sync AT THE PROBLEM RPM. This will help with the vibration. Reset the TPS.
Fill the bars 3/4 full with lead shot. This will help mitigate the vibrations from getting to your hands.
Get rid of the US turn signal-mirror combo if you have it and convert to Euro spec. That helped a ton on my bike.
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Sorry to be the wet blanket but I've got the shits with my green Stelvio on which I've just done some 3,000 km and 7,000 km all up.
I like everything about it except for its fatal floor of excessive vibration at just under 4,000 rpm - and 4,000 rpm translates to 100kph and so is unavoidable during highway travel.
I though initially that fuel remapping could cure it but that has not been the case.
Inquiries from more knowledgeable people than myself only resulted in vague talk about "harmonics" - I think that I understand the concept but not what to do about it.
Anyhow it must be mechanical and according to some Stelvistas to whom I spoke it improves (lessens) with age so I'm currently left with the "ages like wine scenario" and I live in hope.
Any comments from other Stelvio owners? Anyone? bd
Anyone here, drop a gear and keep it above 4K. The 8V begs to be reved. Running your 8V below 4k is lugging it. It ain't your uncles old Eldo. My rollerized 12' NTX is sweet at 4200 to the top. Between 3 and 4k it has always felt like my V11S even with the flat tappers in it.
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Wow, talk about a thread hijack!!
guzzimaster, glad you are happy with your new Stelvio. Enjoy it in good health!! :bike-037:
Cheers,
Shaun
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Wow, talk about a thread hijack!
No, we are not talking about thread a hijack here Shaun we are talking about the new Stelvios.
I'm glad guzzimaster has enjoyed his first ride on his new Stelvio as I did on mine and as I initially said I liked everything about it but this glaring problem.
Of course I wanted to like so much I initially ignored the vibration problem but a couple of long, three day rides was more than enough to convince me that this is something that no-one should have to put up with and, as another contributor has said, it makes your trip more tiring.
Airing the problem has brought confirmation from others like SP Moto, Grinmul and (to some extent) from Vasco DG and lots of sensible, practicable suggestions that might well lead to a solution from kirb, WitchCityGuzzi and others.
You just can't sweep these things under the carpet, not for very long anyway.
I am not attacking the marque here but trying to address a problem that seems to have slipped through the system for whatever reason and I am looking for a solution.
Being able to air such problems here is one of the strengths of this board and, I would think, is a large part of its raison d'etre.
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I know fpr a fact that Guzzimaster was out riding his new Stelvio in the rain this morning. I am probably going to beg a (2-up) test ride soon. My wife and I, not Guzzimaster and me, you dirty-minded */#%!es!
Bill Lovelady IS
Eskimo Spy
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It should be obvious to anyone who has an interest in this thread that the vibration problem is confined to the latest model Stelvios, i.e. the Tenni green ones, thanks for telling us that your earlier model doesn't vibrate but that's just rubbing it in.
No it wasn't obvious, and I still think your throttle bodies are out of synch. I did not intend to rub it in, but I am wondering what bikes you were riding before the Stelvio? I don't think there is really much difference between early and late models myself...
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you dirty-minded */#%!es
All I've tried to do here is find a solution to a problem that myself and others are having and I've done this without abusing anyone so I naturally don't appreciate receiving personal abuse for my efforts.
You don't of course have to agree with me but lets keep it civil please.
It's not a large problem but is certainly an annoying one.
motrhead, I've had the Tappets set and throttle bodies synched by someone that I trust so they can be eliminated.
I had a phone conversation with Vasco DG today and he thinks that because none of the other 8 valves behave this way, and more importantly neither do the Gold 1200 Stelvios, then the answer may lie in the crash guards and a harmonic resonance so I'll be checking their attachments anchors tomorrow as it seems to make sense that as a plucked string vibrates, the crash guards could possibly vibrate if allowed.
Vasco has also recommended a different engine oil mixture which I'll try this week.
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Not engine oil. Gearbox oil. Try a cocktail of half 75/90 and half 85/140. If that quieten a it down significantly when hot then it points to an internal problem but as I've said before the 1200 gearboxes are seemingly pretty much bulletproof.
Pete
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All I've tried to do here is find a solution to a problem that myself and others are having and I've done this without abusing anyone so I naturally don't appreciate receiving personal abuse for my efforts.
You don't of course have to agree with me but lets keep it civil please.
It's not a large problem but is certainly an annoying one.
motrhead, I've had the Tappets set and throttle bodies synched by someone that I trust so they can be eliminated.
I had a phone conversation with Vasco DG today and he thinks that because none of the other 8 valves behave this way, and more importantly neither do the Gold 1200 Stelvios, then the answer may lie in the crash guards and a harmonic resonance so I'll be checking their attachments anchors tomorrow as it seems to make sense that as a plucked string vibrates, the crash guards could possibly vibrate if allowed.
Vasco has also recommended a different engine oil mixture which I'll try this week.
Well first off, don't think anyone was abusing you, you were not listening to what people were saying, including me. I posted last week with a link that would have led you to where you are right now, the crash bars. But you seemed to take offence when I commented on your RPMs so the post was taken down.
Because I am such a nice Canadian, here is the link again.
http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/stelvio-handle-bar-vibrations-cause.9397/#post-110731
Read through the first part were I experimented with the bars. They may just be loose. Tighten all points to 18ft/lbs except for the rear swingarm bolt (50 NM oiled). I would add some antiseize to them first, but that is just me, as see what happens. Failing that, cruising at 100 kph in 6th gear will make the bike rumble especially if you are in a hilly area. I rarely run in 6th gear below 100 kph. It will do it as the engine has plenty of torque and it is ok if it is flat and the throttle inputs are small, but in hilly areas, or if you accelerate quickly it will rumble. Drop it to 5th or even 4th dependent on the roads.
If you don't like the advise, please ignore it as someone else may find the solution to their problems.
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Hey, Kenebar! Lighten up,man. My post wasn't aimed at you. It was praising Guzzimaster for riding 60 or 70 miles in the rain to have breakfast with us.
Sorry, but it's not about you.
Bill Lovelady IS
Eskimo Spy
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No, we are not talking about thread a hijack here Shaun we are talking about the new Stelvios.
I'm glad guzzimaster has enjoyed his first ride on his new Stelvio as I did on mine and as I initially said I liked everything about it but this glaring problem.
Of course I wanted to like so much I initially ignored the vibration problem but a couple of long, three day rides was more than enough to convince me that this is something that no-one should have to put up with and, as another contributor has said, it makes your trip more tiring.
Airing the problem has brought confirmation from others like SP Moto, Grinmul and (to some extent) from Vasco DG and lots of sensible, practicable suggestions that might well lead to a solution from kirb, WitchCityGuzzi and others.
You just can't sweep these things under the carpet, not for very long anyway.
I am not attacking the marque here but trying to address a problem that seems to have slipped through the system for whatever reason and I am looking for a solution.
Being able to air such problems here is one of the strengths of this board and, I would think, is a large part of its raison d'etre.
Didn't say anything about sweeping, ignoring, attacking etc., and I encourage you to discuss on this forum. I just think it was in poor taste to come into Guzzimaster's happy dance thread and start dumping in all your unhappiness. For goodness sake, the guy is so in love with his new bike that he's waking up in the middle of the night in excitement. Let him be excited! Again, please do talk about your issues, but why not start your own post?
Just my thoughts, but you are free to do as you wish.
Shaun