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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: fotoguzzi on November 08, 2015, 09:48:59 AM
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In my mind Lorenzo will always have an * after Champion.. or a footnote to the story..
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I agree, but he is he Worlds Champion and rode like today.
Bob
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I was wishing the Dani would have dispatched MM and JL... Oh well!
It looked like MM almost took Dani out in one corner. DP probably figured he better chill, lest both Hondas crash out..
Vale rode a great race...
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In my mind Lorenzo will always have an * after Champion.. or a footnote to the story..
If I heard the announcers correctly, I thought they said that if JL and VR came in tied with points that JL would have been crowned champion because he had won more races that VR...I don't see an * for that level of performance.
Yes I thought that MM almost touched DP on one of those closing laps, tight racing, wow!
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Label title: "SPOILER ALERT"
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I was wishing the Dani would have dispatched MM and JL... Oh well!
It looked like MM almost took Dani out in one corner. DP probably figured he better chill, lest both Hondas crash out..
Vale rode a great race...
MM decided there was no way he was going to let DP get in front of him at that point in the race. Their Honda feud cinched Lorenzo winning the race and championship.
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Gee I wonder why MM made no attempt to pass Lorenzo after riding his coat tail the entire race? :lipsrsealed:
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Gee I wonder why MM made no attempt to pass Lorenzo after riding his coat tail the entire race? :lipsrsealed:
Supposedly the Hondas were concerned about their front tires wearing out too soon before the end of the race. Maybe that slowed MM down at the end since that track was mostly curves.
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wow. :popcorn:
That season wasn't handed to anyone on a platter.
Even as a VR fan I admit JL ran this race-day and earned his every one of his glories.
Congratulations.
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Gee I wonder why MM made no attempt to pass Lorenzo after riding his coat tail the entire race? :lipsrsealed:
Marquez didn't even attempt a pass because he wanted Lorenzo to win the championship. When have you ever seen Marquez ride on someone's butt for that long and not even attempt to show a wheel and I'm talking about since he came to the GP class. The only time he got aggressive is when Pedrosa caught and passed Marquez and looked as though Pedrosa had the pace to pass Lorenzo. Lorenzo worked for his title and earned it but it was handed to Lorenzo with the help of Marquez interfering with Rossi. As fans we were cheated out of the battle that should have been between Jorge and Valentino.
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As fans we were cheated out of the battle that should have been between Jorge and Valentino.
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Label title: "SPOILER ALERT"
I did not give anything away in the title so those who have not seen the race don't have to open the thread.
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OK fellas , a thread about this same topic got nuked from on high , so , since none of us are really experts and have no direct connection to anyone of the players involved , stop the name calling and Nascar like crap .
Dusty
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Marquez didn't even attempt a pass because he wanted Lorenzo to win the championship. When have you ever seen Marquez ride on someone's butt for that long and not even attempt to show a wheel and I'm talking about since he came to the GP class. The only time he got aggressive is when Pedrosa caught and passed Marquez and looked as though Pedrosa had the pace to pass Lorenzo. Lorenzo worked for his title and earned it but it was handed to Lorenzo with the help of Marquez interfering with Rossi. As fans we were cheated out of the battle that should have been between Jorge and Valentino.
:1: :1: :1: Marquez did not do his reputation any favors. He's a fine young rider. I'm just saying that there seems to be a certain etiquette that was breached (PC enough for you? ;) ). Based on the comments offered by other competitors, they agree.
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Go to http://superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151108qmac.htm and read what this race was like and win means to Jorge Lorenzo in 'quote machine final.' He puts it in perspective for him and us. You can also read what all the racers say about their race. :thumb:
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I really am surprised by some of the things people are saying here. Anybody who CAN win a race at this level WILL win it. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.
Oh well, at least Rossi finished about where he would have had he started near the front.
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Relevant Nicky Haden comment-I wish him all the best!
Plus-when he beat Rossi in '06, I remember a big uproar that the man with the most wins (Rossi) should be awarded the championship. Today they got their wish!
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MM showed (imho) his true intent today. The Hondas were faster than the Yamahas after the halfway point. Marc was content to be Jorge's wingman. When Pedrosa caught up, MM raced him, passing back immediately. It was a replay of the last race. I felt bad for Vale as he was frustrated enough to move MM off last race and rode wonderfully today. Jorge won't be questioned by me, however MM lost my respect today.
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Obviously here only some believe what their bias of who wins controls their judgment of the results. :sad:
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Phillip Island:
-> MM wins, taking 5 points from from Lorenzo.
"MM is riding for Lorenzo!"
Iannone dices with VR and beats him to 3rd, taking points from VR.
-> ...crickets chirping
Sepang:
MM dices with VR, until VR gets the shits and rides MM wide, causing a crash.
-> "MM SHOULD NOT be fighting with someone who is in the championship!"
Valencia:
MM does not overtake Lorenzo. Lorenzo wins race and championship.
-> "MM SHOULD be fighting with someone who is in the championship!"
( gettin' late over there Dusty? :boozing: )
:1: Interesting season...
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Valencia:
:1: exactly what I was thinking.
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I really am surprised by some of the things people are saying here. Anybody who CAN win a race at this level WILL win it. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.
Lorenzo intimated that his compatriots had helped him win the title by not passing him.
"They knew what I had in play," Lorenzo said. "The fact they are Spaniards like me helped me.
"That helped me because for sure in another kind of race they would have tried to overtake which they didn't this time."
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One for the Spanish crowd, Lorenzo retracted those words. In both languages.
How many people thought Petrucci was wrong to move over for Rossi? Poor fellow went off track!
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One for the Spanish crowd, Lorenzo retracted those words. In both languages.
it matters little.
When he pronounced them, Jorge Lorenzo, MotoGP pilot since 2008 and three times world champion, evidently thought that it was perfectly possible that not one, but two top MotoGP riders that COULD won the race HAD CHOSEN TO NOT win it. Despite being there. :wink:
So, it should not be so surprising if some other people say the same thing.
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This race/season isn't over between Lorenzo/Rossi/Marquez. Go to www.autosport.com/motogp/
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From Superbike Planet...........
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Nov/151109mnsxz.htm
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it matters little.
When he pronounced them, Jorge Lorenzo, MotoGP pilot since 2008 and three times world champion, evidently thought that it was perfectly possible that not one, but two top MotoGP riders that COULD won the race HAD CHOSEN TO NOT win it. Despite being there. :wink:
So, it should not be so surprising if some other people say the same thing.
Well, I would have raced for the win!
Anyway, it's just racing. Great season. I look forward to next year.
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Is it against the rules to "block" in a race and if it is, how do you prove it?
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I don't really understand the whys of what MM was doing. I do know that he certainly appeared to be riding wingman to Lorenzo for the last 10 laps. He certainly did not try to pass him as he did at Sepang and as he did Pedrosa when he got past. Hogdson, in the previously attached article sums up what quite a few of us were thinking.
That said, Jorge won more races and was the fastest racer this year and I, in no fashion whatsoever discredit his Championship (as if my opine matters). I am a Vale fan and I did not like how MM helped choose a winner.
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Is it against the rules to "block" in a race and if it is, how do you prove it?
No, nothing says Marquez had to pass Lorenzo. He could have been doing just as he said, he could have been planning a pass and wanted it to be clean, or he could have been hoping to keep Rossi from the championship. All ok by the rules.
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Is it against the rules to "block" in a race and if it is, how do you prove it?
Even sending someone off the track, or hit him, is not directly prohibited.
According to the rule book: "Riders must ride in a responsible manner which does not cause danger to other competitors or participants".
Is not possible to foresee all the possible behaviours on the track, so, like in most sports, the Race Direction has ample possibility to decide what a "not responsible" behaviour is, and the prove is "we believe he has acted like this".
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(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/Old_Jock/Miscellaneous/image_zps9nqltl04.jpeg)
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(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/Old_Jock/Miscellaneous/image_zps9nqltl04.jpeg)
HAHAHAHA!!! Love this... :bow:
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I've been meaning to weigh in. VR46 passes nearly the entire field and MM93 doesn't attempt to pass JL99 a single time? This proves what VR46 has been claiming the entire time.
Ciao MM, you are dead to me!
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Lorenzo won 7 races this year and lead EVERY SINGLE LAP.
Rossi wanted Honda to gift him the title. They said no. Doh...
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Hey, how about that Mat Oxley column..
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I've been meaning to weigh in. VR46 passes nearly the entire field and MM93 doesn't attempt to pass JL99 a single time? This proves what VR46 has been claiming the entire time.
Ciao MM, you are dead to me!
If MM managed to pass Lorenzo, Lorenzo would of still won the championship the points would of been equal but Lorenzo has won more races than Rossi. MM had also been hauled over the coals by Dorna after Sepang for taking big risks around championship contenders. To me the deserving rider won the championship.
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If MM managed to pass Lorenzo, Lorenzo would of still won the championship the points would of been equal but Lorenzo has won more races than Rossi. MM had also been hauled over the coals by Dorna after Sepang for taking big risks around championship contenders. To me the deserving rider won the championship.
True, but if MM had passed JL it would have made it far easier for DP to pass him as well.
Especially the way DP was gaining at the end of the race.
VR would have won the championship from 4th place.
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To me the deserving rider won the championship.
Hear, hear! While I enjoy watching VR, I think you've hit the nail on the head. JL had the lead almost from start to finish in a whole bunch of races this year, the guy was amazing...it would have been a shame had he not won the championship. Congrats to him.
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I just read MM topped Valencia testing today. He couldn't make a single pass attempt two days ago.
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MM held up DP when DP passed him and MM dived back in front. the Hondas didn't have a single problem with fronts tires then 3/4 thru the race. MM didn't attempt to try and pass JL he'd get close and drop back not even showing a wheel.
I hope next year the rest of the paddock shows the punk MM how to be more respectful and give him a few bumps and slides offs.
I use to like MM for his talent and skills but his tactics are over the top.
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MM held up DP when DP passed him and MM dived back in front.
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Actually, if you look at the video, DP overtook MM, but he went into the corner too hot and ran wide. MM stayed inside and DP came alongside when attempting to get back on the racing line. DP had no choice but to fall in behind and the challenge was over.
MM never 'dived in front'. He was on normal line.
If you read DP's comments afterwards, this is how it happened. That's racing for you :boozing:
EDIT to add:
Here is DP comment:
“I started to recover and at the same time they were a little bit dropping the pace and I catch and I checked my board and there was two laps to go only. I attacked, but maybe because of the recovery I was still too hot [tyres] and I didn't settle my mind so well,” he said.
“I entered the turn and ran wide and Marc could pass me again but I am very happy because although it is third place, I take home this attitude because of the way of finishing this season – the progression of it and overcoming this hard situation in this year, which was really tough."
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If MM managed to pass Lorenzo, Lorenzo would of still won the championship the points would of been equal but Lorenzo has won more races than Rossi.
Pedrosa requested if he could have passed JL (without MM counterpass).
Answer: "Yes".
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Hear, hear! While I enjoy watching VR, I think you've hit the nail on the head. JL had the lead almost from start to finish in a whole bunch of races this year,
That's his style of driving. He is very strong on the pace. His nickname "Martillo" comes from the ability of "hammering" the same time lap after lap.
On the other side, to obtain this this, all has to be perfect. He was behind in the standing until the last race cause he ended the races out of the podium more times than Rossi did.
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Pedrosa requested if he could have passed JL (without MM counterpass).
Answer: "Yes".
If the race was another four laps longer, Pedrosa barely caught MM on the last or second last lap he got one pass in and then ran wide. Watching with the commentators talking Pedrosa up as he made the final charge to me was a little cringe worthy at the rate he was cutting the gap, it was about 2 laps late for him to bother JL. I think it was about .3 of a second not fast enough to simply blast past all those in front of him it would of needed to be calculated and lined up a lap or two in advance, there just weren't that many laps left in the race.
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I just read MM topped Valencia testing today. He couldn't make a single pass attempt two days ago.
He was by far the fastest even in sunday's warm-up.
Of the four top riders, Pedrosa raced consistently faster than in the warm-up. Lorenzo did the same times, Rossi was two tenths slower (on fourth lap, when he was passing the other riders), MM four tenths slower.
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If the race was another four laps longer,
That was the answer of the pilot. Comments are personal.
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The season is over. It didn't end on a 'sweet' note regardless of who was crowned... and everyone of us here has an opinion as to why. Was it the Spanish vs the Italians, was it the old guard vs the new era, was it a vendetta by a pup who got smacked twice by the old dog when being too pushy, was it VR pointing out (in public) the emperor's attire? Speculation abounds. The next season is likely Rossi's last in MotoGP. He has a contract to finish; then that is that. This year was his best hope to retire with 10 top titles and he didn't hit that mark.
Yet.
Next year offers a new and final chance to prove through his riding that he truly is a champion's champion. The standards are changing for everyone from grid 1 to grid 28. They will all be on new tires from a new manufacturer and everyone will share similar electronics. ~ the powerhouse of money is being leveled.
The true cream will rise to the top. Should be an interesting schedule.