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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: oldbike54 on November 09, 2015, 09:05:59 AM
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Luap has serious rules regarding civility on WG , those of you unwilling to respect this , calling other members stupid etc , will be subject to scrutiny . There are several social media outlets that allow free-for-all discussions about racing , guns , politics , all of those hot button issues . Please take your thoughts regarding those topics to those appropriate sites .
Thanks
Dusty
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Dean
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Pretty easy rules to live by. Luap makes it pretty clear. :thumb: OK Dusty :laugh:
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Luap has serious rules regarding civility on WG , those of you unwilling to respect this , calling other members stupid etc , will be subject to scrutiny . There are several social media outlets that allow free-for-all discussions about racing , guns , politics , all of those hot button issues . Please take your thoughts regarding those topics to those appropriate sites .
Thanks
Dusty
I wholeheartedly agree and applaud "management's" view re civility.
That said, I did not understand that the rules require that we "take our thoughts regarding those topics [at least the motorcycle-racing one!] to those appropriate sites."
Moreover, while passions can get out of hand, a surgical scalpel removing the offensive post, rather than a thread-deleting ax, would seem to me to be the proper tool.
Perhaps that is too labor intensive -- tho you seem to have the time when not jetting around in the WG Gulfstream :wink: -- but there have been some wonderfully interesting threads nuked on account of one or two temporary sinners.
Bill
P.S. You also might consider a more descriptive title for "warning" posts such as this one, as "OK fellas" is not especially helpful. Grazie.
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Those rules make this a great virtual place to be.
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Why not (just asking) send a PM to the individual offender and point out the reference so that if someone is out of line they know it. Give 3 warnings and then booth their posting privileges and require them to beg forgiveness before being allowed to post again. 4th time, see ya permanently. Block their IP and their MAC addresses.
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I wholeheartedly agree and applaud "management's" view re civility.
That said, I did not understand that the rules require that we "take our thoughts regarding those topics [at least the motorcycle-racing one!] to those appropriate sites."
Moreover, while passions can get out of hand, a surgical scalpel removing the offensive post, rather than a thread-deleting ax, would seem to me to be the proper tool.
Perhaps that is too labor intensive -- tho you seem to have the time when not jetting around in the WG Gulfstream :wink: -- but there have been some wonderfully interesting threads nuked on account of one or two temporary sinners.
Bill
P.S. You also might consider a more descriptive title for "warning" posts such as this one, as "OK fellas" is not especially helpful. Grazie.
The mods had already pruned the original Rossi thread , and then got cussed for allowing it to continue . As for nuking entire threads , we are reluctant to do so , but sometimes it is the only recourse .
As for the title , the offending members know what it means , we had already nuked a couple of very inflammatory threads before they were read by other members .
Why not (just asking) send a PM to the individual offender and point out the reference so that if someone is out of line they know it. Give 3 warnings and then booth their posting privileges and require them to beg forgiveness before being allowed to post again. 4th time, see ya permanently. Block their IP and their MAC addresses.
Why not (just asking) send a PM to the individual offender and point out the reference so that if someone is out of line they know it. Give 3 warnings and then booth their posting privileges and require them to beg forgiveness before being allowed to post again. 4th time, see ya permanently. Block their IP and their MAC addresses.
The mods job is to keep the peace , not to chase members off the forum . Everyone , including me , have made a mistake or strayed outside WG's rules , the idea is to remind folks to keep it civil W/O Luap or Chet needing to remove members .
Dusty
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:1:No problem..I thought you reminder was perfect.
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Agreed, motorcycle sites in general are my happy place.
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What did I miss? :evil:
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Oh no, not scrutiny! Anything but scrutiny! It is so cruel to scrutinize someone. Isn't that against the Geneva convention?
I thought that scrutiny went out with the Spanish inquisition. I'll be good, honest!
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Oh no, not scrutiny! Anything but scrutiny! It is so cruel to scrutinize someone. Isn't that against the Geneva convention?
I thought that scrutiny went out with the Spanish inquisition. I'll be good, honest!
Careful there Jim , we will make you set in the comfy chair :grin:
Dusty
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What is this, some sort of Spanish Inquisition?
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What is this, some sort of Spanish Inquisition?
No one expects the ... well , you know :grin:
Dusty
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Backing you 100% Dusty. And like you explained to me, sometimes it's hard to read the words and actually think the person has that type of humor, and take it personally.
Nate
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Backing you 100% Dusty. And like you explained to me, sometimes it's hard to read the words and actually think the person has that type of humor, and take it personally.
Nate
Thanks Nate , yeah , really hard to pick up nuance unless we have taken the time to know an individual .
One thing , this isn't about me , rather the integrity of WG , which by all accounts is a pretty special place .
Dusty
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I know I walk close to the edge occaisionally.
I ask that Dusty or David call me down in public. I can take it.
Public shaming has been a legitimate tactic for hundreds of years. Why stop now?
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Humor can be elusive in print. Just look at the number of people who interpret stories from The Onion, or Andy Borowitz, as legit. In real life we soften sarcasm and brotherly insults with a smile or punch on the shoulder. Maybe we can use emoticons for that purpose, but my rule is to write nothing on a forum that I wouldn't say face to face over a cup of coffee.
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I know I walk close to the edge occaisionally.
I ask that Dusty or Mike call me down in public. I can take it.
Public shaming has been a legitimate tactic for hundreds of years. Why stop now?
Bill, have never ever witnessed you being a Richard .
Humor can be elusive in print. Just look at the number of people who interpret stories from The Onion, or Andy Borowitz, as legit. In real life we soften sarcasm and brotherly insults with a smile or punch on the shoulder. Maybe we can use emoticons for that purpose, but my rule is to write nothing on a forum that I wouldn't say face to face over a cup of coffee.
That is really a good suggestion :bow:
Dusty
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I know I walk close to the edge occaisionally.
I ask that Dusty or David call me down in public. I can take it.
Public shaming has been a legitimate tactic for hundreds of years. Why stop now?
David who? Not me l hope! If so IT'S ON!
Pop guns at 5 paces. Cedarvale 16. :evil:
Mods do a great job. We all could help by toning it down when asked.
Better yet if you're the OP and a thread goes toxic pull it yourself.
Never have met a guzzita that wasn't willing to lend a hand at a rally. Why should it be different here.
Dave
Galveston
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What about over a glass of whiskey?
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I agree with you 100%.
Please keep the politics, the gun posts, rants about dealers who screwed someone over out of here.
This is a great site for Moto Guzzi discussion, there are at least 1 million other sites that cater to all of the 'other' stuff.
Best bike site on the web, keep up the great work!
Cheers
Jim
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No, not you Davedel44. One of the modertors's secret identities involve being a David.
I have met a trio of moderators, like and reapect all 3. They do a tough but good job here.
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I agree with you 100%.
Cheers
Jim
I agree about 90%.
Much as someone might like to ... Once you are the Head Boy, or the Hall Monitor, or the Resident Advisor, you can't be "one of the boys" any more. It's a shame, but a fact.
Lannis
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This is an unbelievably civil site considering the propensity of crotchety old gents sharing here. I feel right at home.
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I agree about 90%.
Much as someone might like to ... Once you are the Head Boy, or the Hall Monitor, or the Resident Advisor, you can't be "one of the boys" any more. It's a shame, but a fact.
Lannis
Well , true to a certain extent , the mods must take greater pains to obey the spirit of the rules , but Luap places no restrictions on participation on either one of us . Really , the only advice Fearless Leader gives the mods is to be ourselves.
This isn't the military , or high school , thank goodness :grin:
Dusty
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[sarcasm font] Oil threads are still OK though? [sarcasm font] (we really really could use a sarcasm font. :tongue: )
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[sarcasm font] Oil threads are still OK though? [sarcasm font] (we really really could use a sarcasm font. :tongue: )
Oil threads are fine , just don't blame us when other members start :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :laugh: And yes , a sarcasm emo would be applicable , one of you smart guys work on that .
Dusty
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Well , true to a certain extent , the mods must take greater pains to obey the spirit of the rules , but Luap places no restrictions on participation on either one of us . Really , the only advice Fearless Leader gives the mods is to be ourselves.
This isn't the military , or high school , thank goodness :grin:
Dusty
Just consider, if you run into problems on the board that you don't understand, that it doesn't matter whether Luap puts any rules on you, or you're being "yourself", or "you didn't ask for this job", or if it's a military school or a bass fishing club or WG, the principle and the fact is the same.
No matter how much the policeman wants to be "one of the boys", he can't be. It's one of the things you give up when you take the job.
But time will tell.
Lannis
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Just consider, if you run into problems on the board that you don't understand, that it doesn't matter whether Luap puts any rules on you, or you're being "yourself", or "you didn't ask for this job", or if it's a military school or a bass fishing club or WG, the principle and the fact is the same.
No matter how much the policeman wants to be "one of the boys", he can't be. It's one of the things you give up when you take the job.
But time will tell.
Lannis
Yes it will . Fortunately , there is no real equivalency between being a mod and any of those other positions , those all entail monetary recompense , we just mostly get bitched at when something goes wrong here .
Dusty
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I understand your point Oldbike54. But I agree with Bill, you should change the title of this thread to reach more of us. I wasn't going to click "Ok Fellas", because I had no idea what it was about, nor did a I care. But after an hour of other stuff I was bored enough to click, just saying.
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Yes it will . Fortunately , there is no real equivalency between being a mod and any of those other positions , those all entail monetary recompense , we just mostly get bitched at when something goes wrong here .
Dusty
I've heard that before. "Why should I have to do a proper job? I'm a volunteer, I'm not getting paid for this!"
Sad for the board.
Lannis
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(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/bad%20attitude_zpsrjxqggdf.jpg)
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Now hang on, I know there was a thread about stuffing pine boughs into a flat tire and making a go of it. :grin:
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Well , true to a certain extent , the mods must take greater pains to obey the spirit of the rules , but Luap places no restrictions on participation on either one of us .
Dusty
Well good. I hope that "the spirit of the rules" doesn't include any PM'ed threats, that wouldn't be very good.
Lannis
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Well good. I hope that "the spirit of the rules" doesn't include any PM'ed threats, that wouldn't be very good.
Lannis
Really dude , you want to start a public fight with me instead of keeping it private :huh: I have invited you to address any complaints about my style to Luap , please feel free .
Dusty
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Cat fight!! :popcorn:
Tom
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I've heard that before. "Why should I have to do a proper job? I'm a volunteer, I'm not getting paid for this!"
Sad for the board.
Lannis
Goes without saying. As far as I'm concerned, we're all still "one of the boys". We're all grown ups and in all reality should "self moderate". If you're about to write something that you think may be offensive, chances are it will be. Common sense should tell you not to write it. Moderators jobs are to post occasional reminders of rules and try and "moderate" things when they appear to begin to get out of hand in the first place. Proactive approach I like to say.
True, no one is getting paid for this. Myself included. I would like nothing more than to do this full time, but my wife and kids would disown me in about a week when the groceries were all gone and I had no money to replenish the vittles. :grin:
As far as "why should I have to do a good job, I'm a volunteer" goes. I volunteer all over the place. Do pro bono work all the time. Volunteer for charities, etc. Guess I'm an odd-ball because I like to do my best at whatever I do, when I agree to do it in the first place. Guess it was how I was raised.
I think Dusty was mainly pointing out that with winter time coming up, more and more people will be riding the virtual highway rather than the actual one and to simply remember that we have all types of audiences here. Men, women, teenagers, athiests, religious, republicans, democrats, anti gunners, pro gunners, etc. But, with all the different audiences we have, there is one thing we can all agree on and that is:
MOTO GUZZI baby :grin: The way the V was meant to be.
Now, back to your regular scheduled programming. :thumb:
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Hear hear on Luap's note...
As far as a misleading title...I would have thought everyone on here, short timer or long timer would be intrigued enough to consider themselves one of the fellas, intuition is one thing most folks on here seem to have plenty of...click on the intriguing title and see if it applies to you, unless you prefer to not to be, in which you're perfectly entitled to not be a fella. :)
Now...on the other hand, it could have been interpreted as completely exclusionary as in: Oklahoma Fellas only...all the rest of you folks...are not included, but knowing the background, that wouldn't be the case! :grin: :grin:
If we work hard at it over a couple of months, we might be able to get this thread up to 18 pages like the VW one! :wink: :wink:
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Oil threads are fine , just don't blame us when other members start :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :laugh: And yes , a sarcasm emo would be applicable , one of you smart guys work on that .
Dusty
+1
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Dusty, your greatest asset, as I see it, is that sense of humor you got. Don't misplace it. (can't see you EVER losing it :thumb:)
You're gonna need it in here, for sure.
There are some extremely creative and intelligent people around this fire (you are one)
Some brilliant minds and some simple minds (I just raised my hand)..
We got cynics, we got "can't we all just get along" folks and we got button pushers.
And everything in between.
We all got great motorcycle stories to tell (attention ALL lurkers, post something/anything! about your life with a motorcycle!!)
It feels good to be a part of this discussion board, some are very intense about getting out their view points (bless them all), but rope themselves into thinking we'd all just love to hear their philosophies over and over and.....and it's all good, as long as it's not intentionally being taken down the tubes.
..Just my take on all this.
Hell, I love to hear myself talk most of the time, too!
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Dusty, your greatest asset, as I see it, is that sense of humor you got. Don't misplace it. (can't see you EVER losing it :thumb:)
You're gonna need it in here, for sure.
There are some extremely creative and intelligent people around this fire (you are one)
Some brilliant minds and some simple minds (I just raised my hand)..
We got cynics, we got "can't we all just get along" folks and we got button pushers.
And everything in between.
We all got great motorcycle stories to tell (attention ALL lurkers, post something/anything! about your life with a motorcycle!!)
It feels good to be a part of this discussion board, some are very intense about getting out their view points (bless them all), but rope themselves into thinking we'd all just love to hear their philosophies over and over and.....and it's all good, as long as it's not intentionally being taken down the tubes.
..Just my take on all this.
Hell, I love to hear myself talk most of the time, too!
:afro:
Yes , all of you lurkers , and non-lurkers , start threads , motorcycle related , camping stories , funny stuff , serious stuff , ask questions , state your opinions re motorbiking , new tech , old tech , heck , dog stories are wonderful :laugh: Entertain us ,
PLEASE !
Dusty
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Careful there Lannis, or it'll be double extra secret probation for you!
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120403193043/villains/images/b/be/Animalhouse1257.jpg)
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Does that mean he won't know what hit him? :boozing:
Sorry, low hanging fruit. :undecided:
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Just to clear up a thing or two . This thread was started due to a couple of threads that began something like this ; "You guys are stupid , moronic , etc , for not seeing that racer A is a jackass and racer B is a complete angel" . OK, not exactly , but you get the drift . The mods removed them before more than one or two members read them . Sorry for not clarifying this earlier .
Dusty
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Not to be confused with Speed Racer who would be a hero except he didn't ride a Moto Guzzi and his squeeze Trixie looked like a Yamaha kind of gal.
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Not to be confused with Speed Racer who would be a hero except he didn't ride a Moto Guzzi and his squeeze Trixie looked like a Yamaha kind of gal.
Or Tom Slick :laugh:
Dusty
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Luap has serious rules regarding civility on WG , those of you unwilling to respect this , calling other members stupid etc , will be subject to scrutiny . There are several social media outlets that allow free-for-all discussions about racing , guns , politics , all of those hot button issues . Please take your thoughts regarding those topics to those appropriate sites .
Thanks
Dusty
I'm Bipper and I fully endorse this message. :thumb:
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Gonna be a long winter. Can we still poop on harley's ?
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Why have you not 'retitled this thread? After all the threads over the years asking for folks to be clear in the title of their threads, why is this still "ok fellas"?
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Why have you not 'retitled this thread? After all the threads over the years asking for folks to be clear in the title of their threads, why is this still "ok fellas"?
What would you like me to call it , OK you bunch of A holes , stop starting shit ? Would that make everyone happy ?
Dusty
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Gonna be a long winter. Can we still poop on harley's ?
After three days of hearing then roar all over the Island, I hardly endorse that use of band width.
Dave
Galveston
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Everybody needs to take a few deep breaths and calm down. This debate is getting us as a group nowhere. Let it slide brothers. If we all take a break from this topic tonight, I sure cooler heads will prevail tomorrow.
Dave
Galveston
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Just to clear up a thing or two . This thread was started due to a couple of threads that began something like this ; "You guys are stupid , moronic , etc , for not seeing that racer A is a jackass and racer B is a complete angel" . OK, not exactly , but you get the drift . The mods removed them before more than one or two members read them . Sorry for not clarifying this earlier .
Dusty
Strangely (IMHO), I had this exact post removed TWICE by this Moderator over in the motogp thread. That was after he removed my original post with a line that contained a reference to yellow and panties. He then removed my resubmitted, self-edited-to-remove-any-offence version shown here, yes, twice...
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Phillip Island:
-> MM wins, taking 5 points from from Lorenzo.
"MM is riding for Lorenzo!"
Iannone dices with VR and beats him to 3rd, taking points from VR.
-> ...crickets chirping
Sepang:
MM dices with VR, until VR gets the shits and rides MM wide, causing a crash.
-> "MM SHOULD NOT be fighting with someone who is in the championship!"
Valencia:
MM does not overtake Lorenzo. Lorenzo wins race and championship.
-> "MM SHOULD be fighting with someone who is in the championship!"
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It went straight down the memory hole. Apparently, this is too over the top? What are we, babies, FFS?
America; land of the (not) free (speech), where every man has a right to own a gun, but cannot voice an opinion on MotoGP? :shocked:
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Forums are private homes. Gotta follow house rules or move on. Land of the Free and all that doesn't fly in a private forum.
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Forums are private homes. Gotta follow house rules or move on. Land of the Free and all that doesn't fly in a private forum.
Thanks for the considered opinion. Much appreciated. Now, explain where the above breaks the forum rules, and warranted removal?
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Thanks for the considered opinion. Much appreciated. Now, explain where the above breaks the forum rules, and warranted removal?
Hmm , you are either a troll , or simply not paying attention .
Dusty
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While the title might be a bit ambiguous the overall sentiments are clear.
I suggest lock the thread, point has been made.
I know! I'll slag off Bill and Dusty! Then it'll get nuked by Mike! :evil:
Pete
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While the title might be a bit ambiguous the overall sentiments are clear.
I suggest lock the thread, point has been made.
I know! I'll slag off Bill and Dusty! Then it'll get nuked by Mike! :evil:
Pete
I agree Pete , locking it now .
Dusty