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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rob-mg on November 24, 2015, 10:12:30 PM
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If your approach to rain is that you just need enough time to get out of it, what's your solution?
I'm coming at the question as a guy who wears a leather jacket and trousers, and leather boots, who isn't in a hurry, and who would prefer that my leather clothing didn't get soaked.
What's the latest/greatest for temporary shelter from the deluge until one gets to the nearest hotel/restaurant/coffee shop?
I'm looking for something that I can pack on the bike, don quickly, and that will keep me reasonably dry, or at least spare my leather clothing, for maybe 25 miles/40km.
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Frogg Toggs, motorcycle version. About $100.
Or stand under an overpass.
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I sprayed my leather jacket and Kevlar reinforced riding jeans with water repellent. I haven't been caught in the rain much since then, but for the few short rains I've ridden through, it seemed to keep the gear from getting wet.
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Work wear: an oversized set of full bibs (no water in the crotch) and a jacket with a double flap over the zipper.
You are now waterproof from the front and bottom.:)
In Canada it is sold as Dakota rainwear... through a work wearhouse franchise.
The material is light nylon coated with polyurethane. Not breathable at all. Entirely waterproof at whatever speed you are comfortable. Ugly... really ugly. Cost about the same as Frogg.
But you won't go wrong with the Toggs either.
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I have a couple of light-weight, two-piece rain suits. They are small enough to possibly pack under a seat. One is from REI, the other is from Corazzo. I prefer the Corazzo suit because it is a bit heavier.
My boots are always water-proof Zamberlan or Danner, and I don't worry about my gloves, though I do use water-proof ones when it looks like rain. (Again, one pair from REI, the other from Corazzo.)
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Just buy waterproof leathers, stuff is made. Costs but then the good stuff is waterproof. Bought some Huggers deerskin gloves, all leather and waterproof.
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Just buy waterproof leathers, stuff is made. Costs but then the good stuff is waterproof. Bought some Huggers deerskin gloves, all leather and waterproof.
Thanks, Vanson made my jacket and trousers to fit, I'm very happy with both, and have no intention of replacing either. Boots are Vendramini and gloves are Held, which I also have no intention of replacing.
Interestingly, I've been in a few downpours with this gear, which came out of it none the worse for wear, but as said in my original post, I'm interested in knowing the latest/greatest in temporary rain protection that can be stowed on my new bike.
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Thanks, Vanson made my jacket and trousers to fit, I'm very happy with both and have no intention of replacing either. Boots are Vendramini, which I also have no intention of replacing.
Interestingly, I've been in a few downpours with this gear, which came out of it none the worse for wear, but as said in my original post, I'm interested in knowing the latest/greatest in temporary rain protection that can be stowed on my new bike.
Nice choice of gear.
I have a set of Held leathers. They are good in rain for about 30 minutes before it starts soaking through the seams. Takes two days to dry.
In light of the quality of kit you own: Aerostitch R3 Light would fit in that line-up nicely.
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For starters, it depends if you have frontal protection b4 it rains If you don't Frog Toggs are next to worthless. Either way 1 or 2 piece vinyl/fabric rain suit will last longer. I count on textile fabric coverage with or w/o a rain liner underneath when needed. Leather is best for actual abrasion impact, but it is sooo heavy and doesn't breathe enough when it's HOT. :azn:
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Aerostitch R3 Light would fit in that line-up nicely.
Thanks, I think I'm just looking for the latest and greatest that could be worn over my existing gear in an unexpected rain and keep my gear and me more or less dry for about 30 minutes until I came across a cafe, hipster or otherwise, that offered temporary refuge and a decent double espresso :)
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Leather ... doesn't breathe enough when it's HOT. :azn:
An observation that of course has nothing to do with the fact that your screen name is Arizona Wayne :)
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An observation that of course has nothing to do with the fact that your screen name is Arizona Wayne :)
I have a perforated leather jacket that's only good up to 95F. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, unless you only ride in cold climates. I ride in all climates and wear clothing accordingly. :wink:
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Thanks, I think I'm just looking for the latest and greatest that could be worn over my existing gear in an unexpected rain and keep my gear and me more or less dry for about 30 minutes until I came across a cafe, hipster or otherwise, that offered temporary refuge and a decent double espresso :)
Hey Rob
I made exactly that after 40 years of needing it and trying all the brand names. I did post about it prob 2 years ago, no takers from States yet, check my website, www.jacksonracing.c om.au.
quick link to vid from first ones here http://www.jacksonracing.com.au/videos/Won-Z%20-Large%20/Won-Z%20-Large%20-desktop.m4v
Interesting part, in the 2 years since, we (missus & I) have done 20K odd miles here in Aus & around Europe, suits always with us.
Been worn against cold far more than just rain, worked out a long time ago, quicker to put suit over jacket than it is to remove helmet, jacket etc to put jumper on, don't even carry a heavy jumper anymore.
Don't often stop at cafe in heavy downpour either. Often isn't one where we go.
Bit of a gamechanger for me, could be what you need.
Any 2 piece WILL leak at join given heavy enough rain
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That looks like a really well thought out suit. Well done.
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Surprised no one has mentioned trash bags and duct tape :shocked: Come on , don't tell me you've never done it :laugh:
Dusty
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Some a pair/one BLH Bering Eco Light Rain Suit -http://getgearedforbikers.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/ride-best-buy-rain-suit.html (http://getgearedforbikers.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/ride-best-buy-rain-suit.html)
Its a bit "boil in the bag" so you might get wet from your own sweat but the rain wont get through!
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http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/alpinestars-quick-seal-out-two-piece-rain-suit (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/alpinestars-quick-seal-out-two-piece-rain-suit)
I bought this suit last year and have used it may times. Easy to put on over existing gear. Made of breathable material so no sweating underneath. Packs very small and for just a bit more is superior to the Toggs. I have ridden in all day storms and it kept me dry.
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If your approach to rain is that you just need enough time to get out of it, what's your solution?
I'm coming at the question as a guy who wears a leather jacket and trousers, and leather boots, who isn't in a hurry, and who would prefer that my leather clothing didn't get soaked.
What's the latest/greatest for temporary shelter from the deluge until one gets to the nearest hotel/restaurant/coffee shop?
I'm looking for something that I can pack on the bike, don quickly, and that will keep me reasonably dry, or at least spare my leather clothing, for maybe 25 miles/40km.
Your leather can handle some rain. If your plan is to duck into the nearest dry place when the first drops fall, then stopping to put on rain gear is just a waste of time.
That being said, I carried a Nelson-Rigg rain suit on my bike for years. Used it occasionally. Only when I was going to ride in the rain for long periods.
My leather Joe Rocket gear has been surprisingly water resistant, so if it's only a sprinkle, or if I know I'll be riding in the rain for a short time, I don't even bother stopping to put the rain gear on.
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My wife greased/oiled her leather pants, the ones she wore most are deerskin and she was reasonably all-weather.
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Many a ride I've thought about pulling over to put on my Frogg Toggs just to decide to keep moving instead. The No 1 line of defense is the EVT windshield and I have some rain mitts to go over my summer gloves. Even my perf'd leather jacket will hold up fine in light rain. Oh, and ditch the cotton for the moisture wicking stuff.
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Ditto.
Treat the leather with solution of choice (everyone has their favorite). It will keep most of the water off long enough to get out of the rain.
I keep a set of Frogg Toggs on the bike for the longer times. Mine did work well on a naked bike, but, it was only a 3hr rain.
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I had a friend that mentioned that cows seemed fine in the rain. It didn't take them so long to dry out.
On the long rides I've done in the last few years, I have gone with non-leather, especially going south or southwest. The waterproof part of my jacket is the liner, and I can wear the liner under other jackets to get waterproof, too. Next time I am not going to really hot climates I may just bring that liner for use under a leather jacket.
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The thing that appeals to me about the design of the Jackson Racing suit are the full-length zippers that run down the sides of the legs. I still drag along an old rain suit that works fine once on, but has only small zippers at the bottom of the legs. It takes me forever to get this suit on, because my boots hang up inside the legs. No fun sitting on a roadside guardrail in a rainstorm with a boot stuck midway in the rain suit leg.
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Frogg Toggs, motorcycle version. About $100.
Or stand under an overpass.
Second on FroggToggs!
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I've never had to put on a rain suit in the rain. I put it on before I get there. If it is the kind of rain that 'sneaks up' on me it is short enough to just ride through it.
Yes, and now everyone can say how a frog strangler just hit them out of no where :)
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Surprised no one has mentioned trash bags and duct tape :shocked: Come on , don't tell me you've never done it :laugh:
Dusty
My Brazilian tour clients at Bryce Canyon.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/pehayes/EagleRider/IMG_0700_zpsc0925546.jpg)
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
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Patrick
that is great.........
Mark
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Surprised no one has mentioned trash bags and duct tape :shocked: Come on , don't tell me you've never done it :laugh:
Dusty
Ah, [Dusty], you beat me to it. I went LA to San Francisco that way once.
When I got there my nickname was " Michelin Man ".
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http://www.jacksonracing.com.au/WON-Z%20colfeatures.htm
I would get this.
Cheers
Bruce
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dry rider by neese--
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dry rider by neese--
Are they still in business?
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My Brazilian tour clients at Bryce Canyon.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/pehayes/EagleRider/IMG_0700_zpsc0925546.jpg)
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
Bryce Canyon...........wh ere when you get to a lookout the sign says "don't get out of your vehicle if you see lightning"....HA, so the car drivers stay in their cars and us bikers get off our bikes and enjoy the view, as if we had any choice! :evil: The car drivers think, those bikers are fricken CRAZY! We think, heh, we're here, let's get our $s worth. Lightning never touches us. :thumb: If we die this way, so be it, our time was up. :weiner: Win some, lose some.
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Hey Rob
I made exactly that after 40 years of needing it and trying all the brand names. I did post about it prob 2 years ago, no takers from States yet, check my website, www.jacksonracing.c om.au.
quick link to vid from first ones here http://www.jacksonracing.com.au/videos/Won-Z%20-Large%20/Won-Z%20-Large%20-desktop.m4v
Interesting part, in the 2 years since, we (missus & I) have done 20K odd miles here in Aus & around Europe, suits always with us.
Been worn against cold far more than just rain, worked out a long time ago, quicker to put suit over jacket than it is to remove helmet, jacket etc to put jumper on, don't even carry a heavy jumper anymore.
Don't often stop at cafe in heavy downpour either. Often isn't one where we go.
Bit of a gamechanger for me, could be what you need.
Any 2 piece WILL leak at join given heavy enough rain
One satisfied customer here, does everything it should do, with no fuss. A well thought out bit of kit.
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If the JacksonRacing suit was affordable, I would buy one. I swear by leather, but often wear AeroStitch because. It would be nice to have the quick on/off option. On the Jackson website, purchase seems difficult?
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I've used many different rain suits.
For the last 2-3 years I have been very pleased with the BMW Rain Lock. It is comfortable, reasonably priced and has been water-tight in some hellacious downpours through which I've ridden.
http://www.sierrabmwonline.com/product_info.php/bmw-rainlock-jacket-2015-cold-weather-gear-76258553-625-630-p-1017
http://www.sierrabmwonline.com/product_info.php/bmw-rainlock-pants-2015-cold-weather-gear-76258553-633-638-p-1018
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If the JacksonRacing suit was affordable, I would buy one. I swear by leather, but often wear AeroStitch because. It would be nice to have the quick on/off option. On the Jackson website, purchase seems difficult?
Yeah, I will eventually set up buy online, have only sold a very few to overseas, all UK or Europe, takes a while for old dogs to learn new tricks, I'm a points and carbs man !!!
Affordable, roughly half your Aerostitch at $600 Aus
Dearer than plastic boil in bag suit, way cheaper than big brands
I did buy Aerostitch to try before starting this project, the light one is still not packable IMHO, is trying to be all things to all people, mine is just the top layer, meant to come off when sun is shining, for travellers, not intended for commuters but can do that too, obviously.
I too swear by leather but unlike someone in this thread, my perforated leather lets water in through the holes !!
WON-Z fills em in, must be same in US really.
For now email your size etc, hope to fill all orders by Xmas
Best way of getting cheap price on freight would be group buy, I'm sure domestic freight in US would be better than individual AUS-US
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I too swear by leather but unlike someone in this thread, my perforated leather lets water in through the holes !!
I'm the guy who started this thread and said that my Vanson jacket has been none the worse for wear after going through a number of downpours. I guess my concern was that exposing the jacket that way may not be a great idea.
In response, others have said that I should give my jacket more credit and/or treat it. One of those posts did indeed refer to a perforated jacket.
My Vanson jacket is perforated, and it is a fact that it has done pretty well in downpours, and I sure didn't feel water coming through the perforations, although maybe that depends on speed and whether one has a windscreen.
That said, I'm intrigued by your product and will check it out.
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get some dubbin on your leathers, once a year.... really helps with waterproofing and treating the leather
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I mentioned to JacksonRacing that I'd be happy to handle the US shipping if a group buy is in order. There's a lot of ways to skin this cat but there is a real appeal to a suit that goes on in a jiffy and does NOT leak. We all do things different and when I'm out for a away ride I'm out no matter what the weather. Sometimes it's 5 straight days of rain and rides like that separate the good gear from the not so good.
You guys let me and Jackson know-we'll handle the logistics if warranted.
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Won-z has my interest. What kind of 'tex' is the laminate? Urethane or teflon? Does it have a brand name (Pertex, simpatex, ultrex, ??)
Who makes the PU backed zippers? Are there wear bands in the cuffs?
And finally; can you make them circus tent sized? :) because I'm a short, overweight guy who rides in a full set of old school Held leathers...
Bonus: the exchange rate looks much more appealing than for the 'other' option in Duluth.
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Won-z has my interest. What kind of 'tex' is the laminate? Urethane or teflon? Does it have a brand name (Pertex, simpatex, ultrex, ??)
Who makes the PU backed zippers? Are there wear bands in the cuffs?
And finally; can you make them circus tent sized? :) because I'm a short, overweight guy who rides in a full set of old school Held leathers...
Bonus: the exchange rate looks much more appealing than for the 'other' option in Duluth.
1/ AFAIK it is PTFE, but I buy it for what it does not for a claim, worn it in 40deg C sunshine, not that anyone would but as test, only as sweaty as naked, much less so than any textile bike jacket I've owned. Actually rear reflective stripe melted, now updated, doesn't melt now
2/ No label, my IP,
3/ Ditto but some are YKK
4/ Don't know what a wear band is but one of key features, so very simple, suit goes outside gloves, no water runs down into glove
Only thing you need is gloves with a decent forearm coverage, obviously short gloves will fail, seal relies on coverage
4/ sorry, no made to measure at this stage , but if your Held leathers are OTP sizing you should get an OTP WON-Z over the top, if legs and arms a little long , will only cover kit you have, send me sizes of leathers & height/weight,
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AUS $600. = $USD $435. plus shipping
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Yea, I did the math, too.