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Title: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ITSec on January 01, 2016, 05:31:14 PM
One New Year's tradition I always watch for is the list of words and phrases that are to be banished from the English language due to misuse, overuse, abuse, or just plain use at all. The list was started back in 1976 and became an instant success - at least in terms of popularity, Unfortunately, it has not been so successful in getting the various terms out of use among public speakers, the media, or the general population, For example, the word 'impact' (used as a verb instead of properly as a noun) was first listed in 1990, a quarter century ago, and can still be heard in misuse every day.

Take a look at this year's list ( http://www.lssu.edu/banished/ (http://www.lssu.edu/banished/) ), and check for your favorite on the all-time list ( http://www.lssu.edu/banished/complete_list.php (http://www.lssu.edu/banished/complete_list.php) ) - because chances are, it's there!

Maybe we should turn this thread into a contest to see who can build the largest number of these monstrosities into a single sentence? Something for those of you whose bikes are snowbound...
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 01, 2016, 05:54:40 PM
 Zero credibility , they have not yet banished "artisinal"(sp)  :rolleyes:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: CalVin2007 on January 01, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
 AArrgghh!  I agree with the majority of the banned words. My currently most hated phrase:

  MAN CAVE

   I do not have a man cave. I have a shop,workshop,garage,work area...but there is no cave nor any reason to refer to it as such. Disgusting.

   Terry
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ken farr on January 01, 2016, 06:26:03 PM
AArrgghh!  I agree with the majority of the banned words. My currently most hated phrase:

  MAN CAVE

   I do not have a man cave. I have a shop,workshop,garage,work area...but there is no cave nor any reason to refer to it as such. Disgusting.

   Terry


                                                   :1: :bow: :1:


kjf
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 01, 2016, 07:08:01 PM
AArrgghh!   

  MAN CAVE
my wife keep using that and I keep saying it's "the MacPad"
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Scud on January 01, 2016, 07:13:45 PM
  MAN CAVE

   I do not have a man cave.

I don't have man cave either. I have a motorcycle temple. It's a place of worship.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: LowRyter on January 01, 2016, 07:33:32 PM
I find this entire thread problematic.   So, the stakeholders should just walk it back IMO.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Perazzimx14 on January 01, 2016, 07:35:36 PM
I too despise the term "Man Cave". At my house we have a shed, garage, basement, TV room and regular beer :thumb:.

Others are:

"Forever home"
"Like"
"Manscaping"
 

 
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rob-mg on January 01, 2016, 07:42:02 PM
AArrgghh!  I agree with the majority of the banned words. My currently most hated phrase:

  MAN CAVE

   I do not have a man cave. I have a shop,workshop,garage,work area...but there is no cave nor any reason to refer to it as such. Disgusting.

   Terry

Wouldn't worry about this one. It's become a joke, which suggests that it's on the way out.

But what do I know. I hated the word selfie, but it's increasingly clear that it has a function in the language.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: motogman on January 01, 2016, 08:02:42 PM
AArrgghh!  I agree with the majority of the banned words. My currently most hated phrase:

  MAN CAVE


Man Cave made the list in 2012.

This year, the use of the word "So", often to start a sentence struck me.  I consider myself an old curmudgeon and not in touch with the times (just ask my 20 year old daughter - she will certainly confirm this) but I find that I have been using "so" in this way - ouch.  Since hear this list a week or so ago (appropriate use of so?), I have been listening more closely and have heard this usage often in news reporting, interview questioning etc.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: charlie b on January 01, 2016, 08:07:25 PM
OK, who knows where man cave came from.  :)

I hate the word selfie and I hate the pictures themselves.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Moto Fugazzi on January 01, 2016, 08:20:26 PM
Cage or Cager should be banned when used in automobile context.
Ken
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 01, 2016, 08:38:30 PM
"You know what, I mean."  should be banned.  Know what I mean? :-0
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 01, 2016, 08:47:05 PM
So, got the scooter out of the man cave , leaving the cage . Decided to do a 110% putt , like you know a real bitchin ride .

 OK , not all of those terms made the "official" list , but I've heard WG members complain about every word or term  :grin:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 01, 2016, 08:52:17 PM
So when will you delete this thread?
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 01, 2016, 09:02:35 PM
So when will you delete this thread?

 Geez Tom  :huh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 01, 2016, 09:04:02 PM
Asking a simple question.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 01, 2016, 09:04:24 PM
I'm all in favour of this word. When it's used, I know immediately that I can stop listening or reading and get on with real life.

 What is "real life"?

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 01, 2016, 09:31:10 PM
Why on earth would you even ask that question in the context of talking about other human beings as "cagers", or the word that comes out of the mouths of a lot of the same people, "peds".

 Why is cager an insult ? Out here in the middle the term "ped " isn't used , but it sounds like an abbreviation for pedestrian . Never thought that word was an insult either , not used in that way .
Is this some inner city jargon used as insults ? What am I missing ? Would you prefer "person who drives cars"? , or , "person who walks" ? 

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on January 01, 2016, 09:38:22 PM
  How about bannishing the spelling of the word as banish?
 How about bannishing the way so many Guzzisti interchange the words brake and break?

 Okay, I just found out banish or bannish may be used so just concentrate on knowing which brake you are talking about.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rob-mg on January 01, 2016, 09:45:57 PM
Why is cager an insult ? Out here in the middle the term "ped " isn't used , but it sounds like an abbreviation for pedestrian . Never thought that word was an insult either , not used in that way .
Is this some inner city jargon used as insults ? What am I missing ? Would you prefer "person who drives cars"? , or , "person who walks" ? 

  Dusty

Sorry, only motorcyclists use the word "cager" and it is unquestionably pejorative. Who are you kidding?

Same for "ped".
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 01, 2016, 09:46:53 PM
  How about bannishing the spelling of the word as banish?
 How about bannishing the way so many Guzzisti interchange the words brake and break?

 Okay, I just found out banish or bannish may be used so just concentrate on knowing which brake you are talking about.

 Then you have the Missouri Breaks , which aren't in Missouri  :laugh: That brakes breaks thing is probably a simple mistake .

 My brakes work great until they break .

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 01, 2016, 09:52:56 PM
Sorry, only motorcyclists use the word cager and it is unquestionably pejorative. Who are you kidding?

 We must live in distinctly different cultures . Made a couple of calls asking car driving family members
if cage or cager had a negative connotation . All I got was a confused response , "what are you talking about"? The term isn't racist , sexist , a reference to class or social standing , or a reference to country of origin .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rob-mg on January 01, 2016, 09:57:39 PM
We must live in distinctly different cultures . Made a couple of calls asking car driving family members
if cage or cager had a negative connotation . All I got was a confused response , "what are you talking about"? The term isn't racist , sexist , a reference to class or social standing , or a reference to country of origin .

 Dusty

"All I got was a confused response , "what are you talking about"?"

Bingo. Amazing that you don't understand the significance of that response.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rob-mg on January 01, 2016, 10:04:06 PM
Hi Dusty,

Not interested in getting into a prolonged debate about this.

You think that describing drivers of cars as cagers is OK.

I think that it is the kind of thing that I would hear from a 14 year old boy. 

I guess we're going to just have to disagree about this.

Cheers
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 01, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
"All I got was a confused response , "what are you talking about"?"

Bingo. Amazing that you don't understand the significance of that response.


 What significance , both family members knew what cage or cager means , they just seemed bemused at the notion that they were any kind of real insult . Kind of like biker , or car jockey , just meaningless bits of American slang . Hell dude , most of us here drive cars , and often times refer to the act as "caging it" or driving the cage" . It is possible to be TOO sensitive .

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rob-mg on January 01, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Hi Dusty,

As I said, we're just going to have to disagree about this.

Have a great 2016.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: canuguzzi on January 01, 2016, 10:36:55 PM
Forget "cager" use SLED instead as it refers to the car, not the driver. No feelings get hurt and no one gets confused between cagers and codgers.

Its bit on the list either.

Seriously. So...
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: travelingbyguzzi on January 01, 2016, 10:42:36 PM
I sometimes take the cage to work. I don't see it as derogotory. If someone wants to get their panties in a wad over it, I can find much worse terms.
The term I curre.tly dislike is 'bespoke'.  Comes off as hipster doofusey. Bury 'bespoke' in 2016!
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: nc43bsa on January 01, 2016, 11:45:34 PM
The term that grinds my gears is "break it down."  The local news readers say that every day.

I wish I could convince them that I don't want my news stories "broken."
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ritratto on January 02, 2016, 03:33:44 AM
O.K. ... Here is mine. "My bad" .... I mean whatever happened to " sorry" or " excuse me" or "I did' understand "?
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Perazzimx14 on January 02, 2016, 06:09:43 AM
I'd like to see "original miles" also put on the naughty list. What other kind of mile can you put on a vehicle?
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Doug McLaren on January 02, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Why is every mistake that is documented on Youtube a "fail"?

What is a "big ask"?

How do you "cascade" an email or message?

How do you "action" something?

"Going forward" means what exactly?

I could go on but I won't.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 02, 2016, 06:27:45 AM
"You do the math."  Know what I mean.  Oh....don't ask a question.  "You know what, I mean."  'nuff said.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: sib on January 02, 2016, 07:25:31 AM
The following exchange with a waiter/waitress:

"Thank you"

"No problem"
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Two Checks on January 02, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
The problem with using "sled" is many people use that as a term for "the Harley".

Pre heat", "predrill", etc. And especially on words that are past tense, as in "predriled".
One, you can drill a hole but cannot predrill one. You cant drill it before you drill it. Either you drill the hole or it has been drilled.
"Ya know what I'm sayin'?
That's what I'm talkin about.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 02, 2016, 08:57:07 AM
The problem with using "sled" is many people use that as a term for "the Harley".

Pre heat", "predrill", etc. And especially on words that are past tense, as in "predriled".
One, you can drill a hole but cannot predrill one. You cant drill it before you drill it. Either you drill the hole or it has been drilled.
"Ya know what I'm sayin'?
That's what I'm talkin about.

 Pre-owned  :rolleyes:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: charlie b on January 02, 2016, 09:01:00 AM
You guys need to sit in a company meeting when they are trying to come up with descriptions of products.  Makes my stomach turn just thinking about those days.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Joe A. on January 02, 2016, 09:06:37 AM
AArrgghh!  I agree with the majority of the banned words. My currently most hated phrase:

  MAN CAVE

   I do not have a man cave. I have a shop,workshop,garage,work area...but there is no cave nor any reason to refer to it as such. Disgusting.

   Terry

Agree, it's condescending at best!
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Nic in Western NYS on January 02, 2016, 09:07:29 AM
So, Rocker and Dusty do an immense piece of work curating this list to satisfy the disparate stakeholders.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 02, 2016, 09:09:50 AM
This year, the use of the word "So", often to start a sentence struck me.

I noticed that in the last year or two myself.  If you watch Shark Tank (TV Show), you'll see most of the budding entrepreneurs begin their answers to questions asked by the Sharks with So.  "How much money did you take in last year?"   "So, in the last 12 months we sold $120,000 worth."  Dr. Richard Besser, of ABC News does it a lot.  "Dr. Besser, how effective is this year's Flu -?"   "So this year we have found that the - is..."

Language usage drives changes in language rules as much or more than the rules control language usage, but I bet that the use of So to start sentences won't be around forever, since it serves no more of a purpose than starting a sentence with "Uhhh...".
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: travelingbyguzzi on January 02, 2016, 09:16:31 AM
Now Bill , we know you are a secret hipster  :evil:   "doofusey"  :laugh:

  Dusty

I confess to having the doofus gene.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 02, 2016, 09:25:49 AM
I confess to having the doofus gene.

 As do most of us  :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: sib on January 02, 2016, 09:27:16 AM
Pre-owned  :rolleyes:

  Dusty
Like my wife
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: K250 on January 02, 2016, 09:32:21 AM
  "circle back" and "run to ground" Are a little over done with some of the manager types.  Circle back means corfirm its done, run to ground means do it.

So "run to ground and circle back to the team". Means do it and email us when its done.

Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 02, 2016, 09:36:13 AM
So, what is the problem ?  :laugh: Actually "so" is part of a speech pattern going back many years .

The problem is overuse, really.  It's similar to hearing "like" in nearly every sentence, sometimes more than once.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: maquette on January 02, 2016, 10:52:56 AM

Anything with - kardashian (lower case k intended)
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Waltr on January 02, 2016, 11:05:28 AM
I find this entire thread problematic.   So, the stakeholders should just walk it back IMO.

   Snakeholders?   Snakeholders, who are all the snakeholders?
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: lazlokovacs on January 02, 2016, 11:06:20 AM
The great Irish poet Seamus Heaney's entire translation of Beowolf begins with 'so'

followed by a full stop

as in

So. The spear-danes in days gone by


There are pages of scholarly research on why 'so' was such a clever choice in this instance

YMMV!

Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: sib on January 02, 2016, 01:12:25 PM
Anything with - kardashian (lower case k intended)
Gee, I thought a kardashian is another name for the rear bevel drive on my MG.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 02, 2016, 01:18:03 PM
As do most of us  :laugh:

  Dusty

Para-phrasing the Firesign Theatre.  "We're all Bozos on this bus."  We're ALL idiots here.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on January 02, 2016, 02:42:56 PM
Then you have the Missouri Breaks , which aren't in Missouri  :laugh: That brakes breaks thing is probably a simple mistake .

 My brakes work great until they break .

  Dusty

 At least the Missouri breaks are along the Missouri river.  And they are a good place for Jack Nicholson to cut Marlon Brandos' throat.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: pikipiki on January 02, 2016, 02:47:07 PM
Dare I cause controversy and ask you guys on the other side of the pond to stop using the words BROILED, BROILER and BROILING and start using grilled, grill and grilling.
I mean it can only be in your best interests, I can only imagine - in the restaurant, 'How would you like your fish sir?' 'Broiled please'.... only to receive it boiled.‎
Yes, broiled sounds far too much like boiled and just as much like roiled. Admittedly roiled is not such a common word in fact it's very rarely used and not even valid in scrabble, should you be surprised - No! it's been pushed out by it's imposter neighbour 'Broiled'. Roiled as I understand it has a couple of culinary related meanings, one related to agitation of wine during production and another meaning salted when applied to fish, but then you'd never find out without me telling you (admittedly with help from wikipedia, ok its an American site but those postings were probably posted by the anti-broiling lobby), yes you will never find out because of the stupid imposter word broil.‎

Broil (definition)
early 15c., "to quarrel, brawl," also "mix up, present in disorder," from Anglo-French broiller "mix up, confuse," Old French brooillier "to mix, mingle," figuratively "to have sexual intercourse" (13c., Modern French brouiller), perhaps from breu, bro "stock, broth, brew," from Frankish or another Germanic source (compare Old High German brod "broth") akin to broth (see brew (v.)); also compare imbroglio.

yes definitely a stupid mixed up word, I rest my case.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: drums4money on January 02, 2016, 02:51:35 PM

This year, the use of the word "So", often to start a sentence struck me.  I consider myself an old curmudgeon and not in touch with the times (just ask my 20 year old daughter - she will certainly confirm this) but I find that I have been using "so" in this way - ouch.  Since hear this list a week or so ago (appropriate use of so?), I have been listening more closely and have heard this usage often in news reporting, interview questioning etc.

I like how "So" has become a crutch-word (like, um, uhhh. . .) for the "effete'r than thou".  It's right there with thinking that irregardless is a word.

 
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 02, 2016, 03:11:47 PM
Dare I cause controversy and ask you guys on the other side of the pond to stop using the words BROILED, BROILER and BROILING and start using grilled, grill and grilling.

Respecting that there are substantial differences in word usage between the east and west sides of the Atlantic Ocean, broiled food on this side refers to cooking by radiated heat, as in under a red hot oven burner.  Grilled refers to cooking on a grate above something hot like a charcoal fire.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: drums4money on January 02, 2016, 03:22:19 PM
Respecting that there are substantial differences in word usage between the east and west sides of the Atlantic Ocean, broiled food on this side refers to cooking by radiated heat, as in under a red hot oven burner.  Grilled refers to cooking on a grate above something hot like a charcoal fire.

Dairy Queen uses a mythical Brazier - I enjoy both broiling AND grilling, but just what is a Brazier??  Oh, I enjoy a Brazier, too. .
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: pikipiki on January 02, 2016, 03:47:16 PM
Quote
author=Triple Jim link=topic=80933.msg1275044#msg1275044 date=1451769107]
Respecting that there are substantial differences in word usage between the east and west sides of the Atlantic Ocean, broiled food on this side refers to cooking by radiated heat, as in under a red hot oven burner.  Grilled refers to cooking on a grate above something hot like a charcoal fire.
So Grilled is just lazy short for char grilled then?
We could go on for ever, my post was somewhat in jest.  There are dumb words both sides of the pond. Irrespective most American english words (the dumb ones and the useful ones) eventually make it across to our side of the pond. Broil has had plenty time to migrate but us Brits stubbornly refuse to adopt it, it just inexplicably doesn't fit with us. Sounds more like how you wash your underpants than how you cook your bacon. Might even be a reason why your bacon hasn't caught on over here either. You just broiler it? No thanks.‎
‎ :shocked:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 02, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
Irrespective most American english words (the dumb ones and the useful ones) eventually make it across to our side of the pond.

They're going both directions, probably about equally.  In recent years I've noticed folks here in the US using "sorted", referring to getting a motorcycle's problems repaired, and TV news reporters talking about someone "going missing", for example.  I didn't hear those usages here 10 or 15 years ago.  The Internet is making language change and merge.  No complaints, just an observation.

How about using "fitment" instead of "fit" for no reason other than it sounds more important?  The definition of fitment I've read says it's a mainly British term for a furnishing.  Like you rent an apartment and then add the fitments.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: pikipiki on January 02, 2016, 05:22:48 PM
Prompted by this thread I visited Urban Dictionary and noticed a definition of Guzzi that describes something that I dont think exists, that from another internet search prompts me to believe is not at all in use by anyone.
Is there a way to get it deleted as its clearly BS.
EDIT
signed into urban dictionary using google, requested removal of 'Guzzi' be good I someone else did same.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 02, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
Wanting to see this definition, I went to the Urban Dictionary site.  Your request must have worked, because it says there is no definition for Guzzi.  I then tried Moto Guzzi and got this:

 "moto guzzi
A strange shaft-driven eye-talian motorcycle. The motor, originally used in tractors, consists of 2 large cylinders jutting upward on each side. Because they last so long, most owners are quirky old men over the age of 60. Often referred to as 'The Italian Harley'.
An often heard remark uttered by a local seen peering at the tank badge: "Modo-GOOZEE?? What the hell kinda Harley is THAT?"
by Vinnie Pastarini July 20, 2005 "

Amusing, except for the erroneous tractor engine part.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Sheepdog on January 02, 2016, 06:33:24 PM
Please, people...enough complaining. We live in a a rich and diverse nation...if you wish to dwell on something, dwell on our magnificent good fortune.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ITSec on January 02, 2016, 06:45:54 PM

How do you "cascade" an email or message?

I could go on but I won't.

Actually, that one makes sense, at least to someone who works with user interfaces a lot. 'Cascading' means to display the various elements of an email conversation thread in a way that steps to the right to distinguish one message from another. Used properly, it's a good design tool. Unfortunately, like the term and the language, it's often not used well...
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ITSec on January 02, 2016, 06:48:26 PM
Para-phrasing the Firesign Theatre.  "We're all Bozos on this bus."  We're ALL idiots here.

Good afternoon, Mister....   Danger!
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rocker59 on January 02, 2016, 06:51:33 PM
They're going both directions, probably about equally.  In recent years I've noticed folks here in the US using "sorted", referring to getting a motorcycle's problems repaired, and TV news reporters talking about someone "going missing", for example.  I didn't hear those usages here 10 or 15 years ago.  The Internet is making language change and merge.  No complaints, just an observation.

.

May be a regional thing but "sorted" (or "sorted out") is a term I've heard used my whole life here in Arkansas.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 02, 2016, 07:02:24 PM
"I got the problems sorted out" I've heard too.  But "My T3 is now well sorted." is new to this country, I believe.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Penderic on January 02, 2016, 07:03:23 PM

(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/grammar-nazis-ruin-parties_zpsiqa70uue.jpg)





Your welcome!


(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/Grammar%20Day_zpsh9259gmp.jpg)
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rocker59 on January 02, 2016, 07:11:18 PM
"I got the problems sorted out" I've heard too.  But "My T3 is now well sorted." is new to this country, I believe.

My hot rodding uncle used to use the word sorted. As in "I got your Quadrajet sorted, Mike". And that was 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 02, 2016, 07:16:45 PM
Yes, but he had a lot of British ancestors. 
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Testarossa on January 02, 2016, 07:19:18 PM
Glad to see "sanction" on the list. It can mean approval or disapproval, and the context is not always clear. For instance, an athletic event is approved by a sanctioning body, but sanctions are applied as punishment. Stupid goddamn word.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: cruzziguzzi on January 02, 2016, 07:34:17 PM
Not wishing to impeach the extreme conceptual parameters of the topic at hand and irregardless of how any regional reality may impact my POV, I say let the trend-speak fanatics wield their artisanal wording as would a barista slingin' beans.

Coining phrases gives millenials something super-ether, ne, uber-ether to do.

Word wonks hold sway in other languages but the evolution of English is one of its charms.

Root hog or die!


Todd.

Oh, and "Man cave"? Quit whining about it and just schedule regular colonoscopies like your doctor suggests or at least a finger-wave for the less brave.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rocker59 on January 02, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
Yes, but he had a lot of British ancestors.

To be fair, there are lots of anachronistic words and phrases in The Ozarks due to the large isolated population of British decendents.

But the Internet has allowed the rapid spread of regional words and phrases.

A Midwestern logistics manager I deal with uses the odd and annoying "loop back" phrase. I'm sure some of my coworkers will soon pick it up.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 02, 2016, 08:19:16 PM
To be fair, there are lots of anachronistic words and phrases in The Ozarks due to the large isolated population of British decendents.

But the Internet has allowed the rapid spread of regional words and phrases.

A Midwestern logistics manager I deal with uses the odd and annoying "loop back" phrase. I'm sure some of my coworkers will soon pick it up.

 I read somewhere that the purest forms of the English language from the 16th and 17th centuries are spoken in Appalachia and the Ozarks . The advent of radio and TV probably began the change . Ever notice how all news anchors sound like they are from Ohio ?

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 02, 2016, 09:37:26 PM
Ever notice how all news anchors sound like they are from Ohio ?

Not all of them here do.   :grin:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 02, 2016, 09:45:02 PM
Not all of them here do.   :grin:

 When do you guys get TV ? :grin:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 03, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
Obviously, you haven't watched the news in Hong Kong.  Emoticon doesn't work on my laptop for some reason.  Picture Chinese commentators with British accents.  First time I saw that I had to tweak the brain.  It's like seeing a black dude with a French accent or a white dude speaking Hakkah (Cantonese Chinese).  I know they're out there but it's not common out here.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 03, 2016, 01:27:44 PM
Good afternoon, Mister....   Danger!

"Nick Danger....third eye."  This is a off of the para-phrase....."What's the rush?......where's the fire?"  "It's in your eye."
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Penderic on January 03, 2016, 02:28:38 PM
Polite people cover their mouths when they laugh out loud. Harumph.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic005/drowning-lol_zps2jpagktg.jpg)
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: sib on January 03, 2016, 02:33:51 PM
I read somewhere that the purest forms of the English language from the 16th and 17th centuries are spoken in Appalachia and the Ozarks .
It ain't true, dagnabbit!
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on January 03, 2016, 03:22:04 PM
I recommend this book highly. http://www.amazon.com/Made-America-Informal-History-Language/dp/0380713810
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Nic in Western NYS on January 03, 2016, 04:10:39 PM
When do you guys get TV ? :grin:

  Dusty
No TV, and monthly satellite internet allocation is tightly watched. My older kids came and streamed some Star Trek and blew the allocation for the month.  Moving in March to a house with cable.  Will miss being less connected, sometimes.  Is 'streamed' to be banned?

Two bits: New words are the lifeblood of a language.  Enjoy them!  English is still where it's at.  I draw the line at words and phrases intended to convey sophistication or elite knowledge - to heck with those.  Cheers guys!
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 03, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
I recommend this book highly. http://www.amazon.com/Made-America-Informal-History-Language/dp/0380713810

Yes, I bought that last September after you recommended it, and am about about 3/4 finished with it now.  I'm enjoying it very much, reading just a few pages each day in the reading room.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: swordds on January 03, 2016, 06:03:54 PM
Grammer Nazis and Your Retarded -  priceless.   Before I retired I hated hearing Walk the talk as in Management needs to walk the talk.   I must have heard that ten times a day.  My response was always -  Well,  if management needs to walk and talk at the same time the we've got problems.   
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Shorty on January 03, 2016, 07:21:54 PM
 I hate it when you ask a young person a question, and the first word they use in response is "Actually."

"Do you live in this town?"  "Actually, I do."   
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: sib on January 04, 2016, 07:21:55 AM
Virtually yours,
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Nic in Western NYS on January 04, 2016, 09:52:20 AM
I hate it when you ask a young person a question, and the first word they use in response is "Actually."

"Do you live in this town?"  "Actually, I do."
Only things worse is, "No, actually..."  I've commented on that to my eldest son.  Haven't noticed it being used recently but will monitor.  :)
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: v7john on January 04, 2016, 11:38:38 AM
I hat it when people answer "very much so". Just say "yes" or "definitely".

and why does everything have to be "awesome"?
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: stormshearon on January 04, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
Because it sounds better than 'bullshit'..http://wildguzzi.com/forum/Smileys/default/boozing.gif
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Penderic on January 04, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/surprise_zps7tikhxsl.jpg)
http://www.iupac.org/news/news-detail/article/discovery-and-assignment-of-elements-with-atomic-numbers-113-115-117-and-118.html
so there!
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: v7john on January 04, 2016, 03:38:25 PM
"At this moment in time".

Just "now" or "at the moment" is enough.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: lucydad on January 04, 2016, 03:49:51 PM
Hmmm...  "you know" just makes me gag with a spoon, you know?  :tongue:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: stormshearon on January 05, 2016, 02:06:50 PM
Our chief engineer on the Midway absolutely hated the usage of 'right now' on the 1MC when the duty engineer would announce things to the engineering spaces. So just to help him out, we worked really hard to come up with every variation on 'right now' we could find and used those instead. He stopped complaining..
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2016, 05:34:05 PM
Actually, I know how he feels. :grin:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Chet Rugg on January 05, 2016, 10:59:51 PM
24/7
What you been doing?
Oh man I've been working 24/7 !
Nobody works 24/7.  Maybe 24/2  but things get real fuzzy about 24/2.5
None of these relate to me just get tired of hearing it.
When I was young probably in my twenty's I did some 24/7 but it sure wasn't work related  :clock: guess time is running out



Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Triple Jim on January 05, 2016, 11:06:03 PM
That's funny Chet.  Sort of like when someone says "I was literally climbing the walls."
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: oldbike54 on January 05, 2016, 11:09:02 PM
That's funny Chet.  Sort of like when someone says "I was literally climbing the walls."

 I am waiting to hear "literal reality"  :laugh: Oh , Chet can hang  :grin:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Chet Rugg on January 05, 2016, 11:16:01 PM
 :grin:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rocker59 on January 06, 2016, 10:34:26 AM
Hmmm...  "you know" just makes me gag with a spoon, you know?  :tongue:

I know!  Right?
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: canuguzzi on January 06, 2016, 10:44:28 AM
"At the end of the day."

I don't care, I'm sleeping

"What do we know?" There is no we.

"Where do we go from here?". Elsewhere.



Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: boatdetective on January 06, 2016, 10:44:32 AM
Zero credibility , they have not yet banished "artisinal"(sp)  :rolleyes:

  Dusty

"Artisnal" does give me the urge to slap someone.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: canuguzzi on January 06, 2016, 10:59:12 AM
"What do you mean, no?"

"We're all in this together."
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Penderic on January 06, 2016, 11:46:04 AM
Surprised no one has mentioned "heteropatriracialic issexualistexpliali docious" yet.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: trippah on January 06, 2016, 01:47:45 PM
It's too pricey!                 Do they mean too expensive or too costly?  Since to put a price on something is to assign a value, isn't this saying the value too great - not the expense of purchase? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: rocker59 on January 06, 2016, 03:32:48 PM
It's too pricey!                 Do they mean too expensive or too costly?  Since to put a price on something is to assign a value, isn't this saying the value too great - not the expense of purchase? :rolleyes:

"Price" and "Value" are two different things.

price - "the amount of money expected, required, or given in payment for something."
value - "the monetary worth of something"

"It's too pricey" simply means that the "price" exceeds the "value" in the eyes of the speaker...
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ITSec on January 09, 2016, 10:12:05 PM
Obviously, you haven't watched the news in Hong Kong.  Emoticon doesn't work on my laptop for some reason.  Picture Chinese commentators with British accents.  First time I saw that I had to tweak the brain.  It's like seeing a black dude with a French accent or a white dude speaking Hakkah (Cantonese Chinese).  I know they're out there but it's not common out here.

All you have to do to find a black dude with a French accent is visit Louisiana or the Caribbean - back yard, man!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ITSec on January 09, 2016, 10:14:21 PM
"At this moment in time".

Just "now" or "at the moment" is enough.

Of course, most people don't know the difference between 'at present' and 'presently'...
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ITSec on January 09, 2016, 10:15:30 PM
24/7
What you been doing?
Oh man I've been working 24/7 !
Nobody works 24/7.  Maybe 24/2  but things get real fuzzy about 24/2.5
None of these relate to me just get tired of hearing it.
When I was young probably in my twenty's I did some 24/7 but it sure wasn't work related  :clock: guess time is running out

I've done some Ironbutt rides that were 20/3 or more...
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 10, 2016, 03:29:31 PM
All you have to do to find a black dude with a French accent is visit Louisiana or the Caribbean - back yard, man!  :laugh:

Not in my backyard.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Bill N on January 10, 2016, 04:09:25 PM
I've noticed in the last few years questions are answered with the first word being "So"

EX: Why did the house burn down? So, it was found there was a gas leak. It's everywhere on TV from professionals to dweebs.
Bill
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 10, 2016, 04:44:58 PM
So.......  :laugh:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: cruzziguzzi on January 11, 2016, 03:11:31 PM
I've noticed in the last few years questions are answered with the first word being "So"

EX: Why did the house burn down? So, it was found there was a gas leak. It's everywhere on TV from professionals to dweebs.
Bill

My nephew startred using this mechanism on towards the beginning of his Doctorate studies. Over the years, I have watched it empoison, pollute, contaminate or otherwise infect the communications of the rest of his immediate family.

Now, I find myself stifling the odd opportunity to begin a sentence with "So"... Not unlike the past when, even if the word "like" worked, I feared "hip-speak" so - that I would refuse to begin a sentence with: "Like..." in place of "about" or perhaps "around".


Todd.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: donn on January 11, 2016, 04:07:43 PM
I hat it when people answer "very much so". Just say "yes" or "definitely".

I'm trying to catch myself from saying "definitely" when another word would do.  It's used so much that it's losing any meaning.

Broil (definition)
early 15c., "to quarrel, brawl," also "mix up, present in disorder," from Anglo-French broiller "mix up, confuse," Old French brooillier "to mix, mingle," figuratively "to have sexual intercourse" (13c., Modern French brouiller), perhaps from breu, bro "stock, broth, brew," from Frankish or another Germanic source (compare Old High German brod "broth") akin to broth (see brew (v.)); also compare imbroglio.

That's funny, the miniature Oxford that comes with the computer says it comes from Old French bruler, to burn, via Middle English.  Funk & Wagnall agrees but spells it bruiller, (a later form of the same word?), and then supplies a distinct broil2 with the above derivation
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Orange Guzzi on January 11, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
Station Wagon. 

And Payphone is going to be gone soon.

And please explain where the phrase "stay at home Mom" came from.  Because she sure stays gone all the time chasing kids around. 
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: ITSec on January 12, 2016, 06:42:30 PM

And please explain where the phrase "stay at home Mom" came from.  Because she sure stays gone all the time chasing kids around.


That phrase came from the time when Mom (June Cleaver, methinks!) could stay at home, because the schools were close enough and the neighborhood safe enough that she didn't need to take the station wagon and pick the kids up!
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: canuguzzi on January 12, 2016, 08:50:45 PM
Station Wagon. 

And Payphone is going to be gone soon.

And please explain where the phrase "stay at home Mom" came from.  Because she sure stays gone all the time chasing kids around.

The payphone isn't going anywhere, you just carry it around with you now. You don't need to feed it change, it takes the money directly from your bank account. Not only that, but instead of paying to make a call, now you also pay to get one. To top it off, you probably pay even if you don't make any calls or get any. It has become exactly what it says it is.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 15, 2016, 04:52:45 PM
that she didn't need to take the station wagon and pick the kids up!

You mean she was allowed to drive!  :tongue:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Rox on January 15, 2016, 06:33:59 PM
BAE Some of you guys that are older than dirt might not know this word but I assure you it is truly F*CKING ANNOYING ... And for those who say it need a whack in the ole berry bush..... 

    Some use it as a short word for "Baby" which I don't get because you're knocking a word down from 4 letters to 3 and displaying a Dutch word for " Shit".... Nuff said..
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: cruzziguzzi on January 15, 2016, 07:11:26 PM
Didn't see this one yet - apologies otherwise:

Oh....

Maiiiy....


Gaaaawd!

Whether the relentless "oh my God" in TV/Movies or the OMG on the blathernet... Time to retire it as an effused oral or written ejaculation.


Todd.
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Tom on January 15, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
"'Nuff said".  :laugh:
Title: Re: Words and phrases to banish from English
Post by: Penderic on January 16, 2016, 04:09:08 AM
"Don't enumerate your pullets before the ova have been completely incubated."