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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/you-may-be-powerless-to-stop-a-drone-from-hovering-over-your-own-yard/ar-BBoavvI?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPDHP
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This incident happened in July , we already wore this topic smooth out . No charges were filed .
Dusty
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This article is new. The drone operator is now going to federal court to test the rights to airspace over one's property. Seeking damages for his drone.
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OK , but nothing has been decided yet , correct ? My understanding is that most folks come down on the side of privacy , despite what the gentleman in the original article claims .
Dusty
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What do any of you blokes do that you'd be worried about drones?
I can think of no more boring waste of energy than hovering a drone with a camera over the Roper residence. What could they possibly see of a shocking or tittilating nature? A sixty two year old woman watering the tomatoes or shouting at some cats! A fat bloke drinking a beer and pissing in the bushes! Gosh! That will make riveting viewing for utube addicts!
Sure I'm not keen on the idea of being observed but the sort of retard who decides to fly a cheap drone with a GoPro over your yard in the hope of getting a shot of yer wife's nipple or ? Well?? What else? Buggered if I know? Doesn't really worry me unduly. Anyway the rays of the sun glinting off my tinfoil hat will cause the drones to explode! I read this on the Internet!
Pete
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Certainly precedent should keep low flying observation from low level hovering.
Pete, your comments are fascinating.
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Just brain storming some anti-drone techniques:
1. Water cannon (that could be fun).
2. Spud launcher (the 3-man slingshot type - could also be a blast)
3. Anti-Drone-Drone. Hey buddy, why did you crash your drone into my drone? Why is yours armor platted and contains hooks/spikes all around the edges?
4. EASIEST ONE - just go out buck naked and sunbathe! I don't know about you, but as long as it was me and not Jenn, I think the drone would leave the area IMMEDIATELY. Might even crash and burn on its own.
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around here, there would be a 5.
5. Shotgun.
But the water cannon idea does sound fun.
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http://sputniknews.com/videoclub/20151214/1031717976/drone-catcher-video-japan.html
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Now that was neat. Coming soon, civilian drone wars.
But just curious, will a laser like the ones used to blind airline pilots, harm a camera?
Like ruin it if aimed at the lens? If so, that could be a good drone defense.
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I see a business opportunity . One of you smart guys design a signal jammer . Hmm , we never have drones flying around here , in fact , the only ones I have ever seen were in videos . Oh , almost forgot, a friend has a drone about the size of a hummingbird , does that count ? :laugh:
Dusty
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A radio signal jammer is illegal even if what the drone is doing is too.
A nerf cannon however, is not.
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I see a business opportunity . One of you smart guys design a signal jammer . Hmm , we never have drones flying around here , in fact , the only ones I have ever seen were in videos . Oh , almost forgot, a friend has a drone about the size of a hummingbird , does that count ? :laugh:
Jam. Not legally. It would take a fairly high wattage. Probably using the 2.4GHz band which would also shut down a lot of the neighbors WiFi too.
I have a little quadcopter, called a ProtoX. Too small to carry a camera.
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Ya know, come to think of it, I've never seen anyone using a drone in real life yet. And certainly can't see one being very useful OR intrustive around here.
I mean, hell the homestead uses the Pine defense:
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Someone would have to be a magician to navigate it low enough in my backyard to bother me. And they'd likely bounce it off a couple of trees or get it hung up.
But as for jamming, even if it is not legal, how would they prove it was YOU?
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I think the rules already in place for peeping toms cover it pretty well. As far as a drone flying over my property taking pictures, airplanes and satellites already do that regularly. The only reason we don't care about those is they're so high we don't know if and when they're targeting our property.
I recently received a gift of a low-end quadcopter (drone) with a built-in video camera. I'm still in practice mode, trying to get the feel of flying it, and it's a ton of fun. I've been flying it in my house, over my property, and over public park land adjacent to my property. Last time I checked, it was under $60 delivered.
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I think the rules already in place for peeping toms cover it pretty well. As far as a drone flying over my property taking pictures, airplanes and satellites already do that regularly. The only reason we don't care about those is they're so high we don't know if and when they're targeting our property.
I recently received a gift of a low-end quadcopter (drone) with a built-in video camera. I'm still in practice mode, trying to get the feel of flying it, and it's a ton of fun. I've been flying it in my house, over my property, and over public park land adjacent to my property. Last time I checked, it was under $60 delivered.
:thumb: :thumb:
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Jam. Not legally. It would take a fairly high wattage. Probably using the 2.4GHz band which would also shut down a lot of the neighbors WiFi too.
I have a little quadcopter, called a ProtoX. Too small to carry a camera.
Would you need to totally jam the signal, these things must be made from a limited range of components. If you just transmit the "turn Right" signal a fraction more strongly than the owner would that do????
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Turn on a jammer and keep using it, see his long it takes for someone to figure out it is you. Is it really worth it?
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Turn on a jammer and keep using it, see his long it takes for someone to figure out it is you. Is it really worth it?
Don't leave it on , geez :laugh:
Dusty
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Turn on a jammer and keep using it, see his long it takes for someone to figure out it is you. Is it really worth it?
Figuring it out and proving beyond a reasonable doubt or even by preponderance of the evidence takes a bit more than just correlation.
Of course, one might question why someone would repeatedly be hovering over your property with one in the first place.
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I think the rules already in place for peeping toms cover it pretty well. As far as a drone flying over my property taking pictures, airplanes and satellites already do that regularly. The only reason we don't care about those is they're so high we don't know if and when they're targeting our property.
I think the real reason we don't care is we can't do anything about those. A low flying/hovering drone, we CAN do something about it. Especially when we know it is some private puke who's just nosing around.
Think about it, the effective range of a shotgun with full choke and magnum goose load is about 55-60 yards. If your drone can be hit, YOU ARE TOO CLOSE.
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Figuring it out and proving beyond a reasonable doubt or even by preponderance of the evidence takes a bit more than just correlation.
Of course, one might question why someone would repeatedly be hovering over your property with one in the first place.
If you're smart enough to figure out how to build a jamming device then you should be smart enough to know finding out where the jamming comes from isn't that difficult. The warrant takes care of the evidence collection and the records used to determine the location of the jammer will mean a plea bargain is probably in your future.
Why someone was flying a drone over your property isn't going to do you much good when you try to explain why you were using a jammer.
If you interfere with radio signals and someone complains, the little white truck shows up and the next time you want to fire up your jammer don't forget to answer the knock at the door.
Jamming drone radio signals. :thewife:
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If you're smart enough to figure out how to build a jamming device then you should be smart enough to know finding out where the jamming comes from isn't that difficult. The warrant takes care of the evidence collection and the records used to determine the location of the jammer will mean a plea bargain is probably in your future.
Why someone was flying a drone over your property isn't going to do you much good when you try to explain why you were using a jammer.
If you interfere with radio signals and someone complains, the little white truck shows up and the next time you want to fire up your jammer don't forget to answer the knock at the door.
Jamming drone radio signals. :thewife:
I really can't see a local police department giving a crap that your drone keeps crashing when you fly it over your neighbor's property.
If not one gives a crap, there's never going to be a warrant.
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I think the real reason we don't care is we can't do anything about those. A low flying/hovering drone, we CAN do something about it. Especially when we know it is some private puke who's just nosing around.
Think about it, the effective range of a shotgun with full choke and magnum goose load is about 55-60 yards. If your drone can be hit, YOU ARE TOO CLOSE.
If you are in an area where you can walk out in your back yard for example, and legally shoot your shotgun at a drone then you probably don't live anywhere near anyone who would want to fly a drone over your house in the first place.
Let's see, we've got jammers, shooting drones out of the sky with shotguns, what's next...
:popcorn:
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what's next...
Drone Wars on the Discovery Channel.
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I really can't see a local police department giving a crap that your drone keeps crashing when you fly it over your neighbor's property.
If not one gives a crap, there's never going to be a warrant.
FAA. They need examples, be my guest. Your little jammer is going to jam other things too.
But let's go along.
How are you going to determine the radio frequency of the drone?
Are you going to sit around and wait for it to show up or are you just going to turn on some jammer and let it run all the time?
How much are you willing to spend and devote your time doing all this?
How do you know who owns the drone? Better make sure you know that before getting all mobilized.
What are you going to do when the drone crashes? Leave it there? Pick it up?
When the owner comes to retrieve it you are going to do what?
Radio jamming is a felony. It won't matter what the drone was doing, causing something that is flying to crash isn't very smart, if that drone does something like hit a car or someone I guess that won't be your fault?
Sooner or later we'll see it on the news, someone shooting at a drone and some innocent person down range gets hit instead, or the guy with his fancy jammer gets hauled off doing the perp walk.
All the days news and this developing story at 6.
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Don't leave it on , geez :laugh:
Dusty
Or sit around waiting for a drone to buzz your house? :clock:
A much better idea. :shocked:
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You can set up miniature barrage balloons similar to those ones used during WWII
http://www.skylighters.org/barrageballoons/
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Picture this: ( jesting a little to lighten things up)
Grown man running outside in his boxers and duck boots because he hears a buzzing. Quick Martha, fire up the jammer, that drone the Joneses have is buzzing the house again.
You run the jammer, keep shifting frequencies and turn up the gain, I'm going to get in the tunnel and circle behind it and give it a load from ole Betsy, make sure your helmet is on, I'll be shooting your way.
Did ya put the children away, don't want their pictures on YouTube, never know what that drone might be doing.
After I shoot, turn off the jammer because it heats up the tinfoil hats the neighbors wear and the microwave melts the pizza too much.
If someone knocks on the door, pull the handle for the trapdoor out front, let the gator in the moat eat em.
Then I'll come back inside and we'll have breakfast, do we still have any C and K rations left? I really like the chocolate and crackers. That one finger TP does nothing for me though.
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FAA. They need examples, be my guest. Your little jammer is going to jam other things too.
But let's go along.
How are you going to determine the radio frequency of the drone?
Are you going to sit around and wait for it to show up or are you just going to turn on some jammer and let it run all the time?
How much are you willing to spend and devote your time doing all this?
How do you know who owns the drone? Better make sure you know that before getting all mobilized.
What are you going to do when the drone crashes? Leave it there? Pick it up?
When the owner comes to retrieve it you are going to do what?
Radio jamming is a felony. It won't matter what the drone was doing, causing something that is flying to crash isn't very smart, if that drone does something like hit a car or someone I guess that won't be your fault?
Sooner or later we'll see it on the news, someone shooting at a drone and some innocent person down range gets hit instead, or the guy with his fancy jammer gets hauled off doing the perp walk.
All the days news and this developing story at 6.
Oh brother ... :rolleyes:
I think you "lightened up" one post too late :boozing:
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If you are in an area where you can walk out in your back yard for example, and legally shoot your shotgun at a drone then you probably don't live anywhere near anyone who would want to fly a drone over your house in the first place.
Correct....rural Montana, and I don't apologize! haha
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Norge Pilot, are you thinking of changing your screen name to Drone Pilot?
We can help you with that. :evil:
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Norge Pilot, are you thinking of changing your screen name to Drone Pilot?
We can help you with that. :evil:
Only if you also change yours to Bucket of Rocks? Deal? :wink:
Where is the panities in a wad emoji? :gotpics:
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Summer cannot get here soon enough!!!!!!
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I really can't see a local police department giving a crap that your drone keeps crashing when you fly it over your neighbor's property.
If not one gives a crap, there's never going to be a warrant.
If the drone was from a law enforcement agency, THEN, I think they'd care...
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Drone Defender- Coming Soon.
https://youtu.be/k6k9Y3glkRk
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Summer cannot get here soon enough!!!!!!
You said it, Pete...
:1: :bike-037:
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Don't know about California , authorities in Oklahoma would probably help with drone removal . Geez , does everything have to involve some Govt agency ? :evil:
Dusty
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Would you need to totally jam the signal, these things must be made from a limited range of components. If you just transmit the "turn Right" signal a fraction more strongly than the owner would that do????
That is 30 year ago thinking.
Odds are, the new stuff is going to be 'bound' to the transmitter codes and use frequency hopping. It would be difficult to duplicate those codes and frequencies in the right order to send new commands. Easier to just drown the signal.
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As hard as they are to fly, I figure you just need to wait, and they will wreck it on a tree or something. Some of the kids are really good I reckon, but I have not flown mine in over a year.
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Bring 'em on.
I want to finish up a semi-auto one of these.
Spud ack-ack!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tZaRMsgaDoQ/UC3Kem8ND8I/AAAAAAAAAA4/pF4FX6BzLA0/s1600/UOkcannonfull.jpg)
Todd.
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If the drone was from a law enforcement agency, THEN, I think they'd care...
Oh brother... I can't imagine why law enforcement would be bothering me with a drone, but then I'd simply make a phone call.
Seriously you guys come up with the silliest arguments.
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Oh brother... I can't imagine why law enforcement would be bothering me with a drone, but then I'd simply make a phone call.
Seriously you guys come up with the silliest arguments.
"You guys"???
Dusty
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Bring 'em on.
I want to finish up a semi-auto one of these.
Spud ack-ack!
That's a big one, Todd. I have a more traditional sized one, good for patrolling the beach:
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/triplejim/Misc/misc_board_images/eae1cfd1-1c31-499a-ace3-e9139a7bbcb4_zpsjwmcyg5y.jpg)
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"You guys"???
Dusty
Yeah, all you 1℅'rs hiding from the gubbment. :shocked:
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Maybe get ones own drone that can follow the spying drove home and give the owner a dose of their own medicine. At least you could establish the owner of needed.
GliderJohn
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That's a big one, Todd. I have a more traditional sized one, good for patrolling the beach:
We're caught up in making a feed system that automagically, though manually, sizes them and drops the peels like machine gun links. We always have a pressure build wait of up to 6-8 seconds as it is. Sure, and it's a fools toy, but what're a couple of retirees to do of a cold and stormy Arizona evening anyhow?... Drink?!?
Todd.
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but what're a couple of retirees to do of a cold and stormy Arizona evening anyhow?... Drink?!?
Yes, drink and build spud cannons. :grin:
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Don't know about California , authorities in Oklahoma would probably help with drone removal . Geez , does everything have to involve some Govt agency ? :evil:
Dusty
No one is remotely suggesting that. :wink:
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Be careful with your spud guns. Some states have defined them as destructive devices with penalties as severe as for real cannons.
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Be careful with your spud guns. Some states have defined them as destructive devices with penalties as severe as for real cannons.
Ain't that the sad truth?
Todd.
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Oh brother... I can't imagine why law enforcement would be bothering me with a drone, but then I'd simply make a phone call.
That's the first thing the guilty ones say!
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Okay, after poking around the net for information on lasers, I find that lasers can damage a camera.
Especialy the green ones. For anti spy drones a green laser has defense value. The longer you can keep the laser beam directly on the camera lens, the more damage it can do. Therefore a green laser of as much power as you can afford, mounted to a rifle sight so that you have an aiming reticle, can be a drone defense weapon. It won't bring the drone down,
but it can blind its' camera. If the drone operator complains to police, he is also confessing to spying on you.
The only way the laser can harm the camera is if the camera is pointed at it, thus that is the proof of spying.
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How about a paintball gun, fast rate of fire, non lethal, small danger area?
or of course one of these
(https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/assets/images/Goalkeeper%20230%20x%20ima200100800.jpg)
However I'm guessing not legal in all States?
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How about a paintball gun, fast rate of fire, non lethal, small danger area?
or of course one of these
(https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/assets/images/Goalkeeper%20230%20x%20ima200100800.jpg)
However I'm guessing not legal in all States?
That may be OK in Texas? :thumb:
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This incident happened in July , we already wore this topic smooth out . No charges were filed .
Dusty
Actually charges were filed and there were dismissed by a judge. "a local judge dismissed criminal charges against Merideth in October, she relied on multiple eyewitnesses who said the drone was flying below the treeline".
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Remember that peeping in and of itself is not legal, regardless of the method. Flying a drone over a property may not be a crime, but using a camera to take pictures that invade privacy is, whether or not a drone is involved. There is pretty much no difference on that score between using a drone or sneaking through the bushes and pointing a camera in a window. It all depends on how the prosecutor presents it to the judge.
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How about a paintball gun, fast rate of fire, non lethal, small danger area?
What an excellent idea - well, aside from tie-dying the neighbors cars, homes and pets.
"No, really Bernadette.... there was this drone, you see...."
Todd.
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What an excellent idea - well, aside from tie-dying the neighbors cars, homes and pets.
"No, really Bernadette.... there was this drone, you see...."
Todd.
You see I was going to suggest specially trained eagles but I thought you all would think that was silly.
Goalkeeper it is then
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I believe technically the FAA governs all air space everywhere above the ground. Pilots know that flying below 5K feet is flying by sight. Do I have that correct pilots? But the airspace is still governed by the FAA. I think in the next couple of years we will see a plethora of laws governing drones. It has to happen as these things will be everywhere all the time. Technology has outpaced the law.
I own 1500' of riverfront property but the fed government has legal rights to the water way. So my property line runs down the middle of the river bed and i pay taxes on it but I cannot dam it up to put in a small water power generator. There is a small white water area up stream that is much higher on the far side than my side. If I could put about 2 feet of boulders across my side of the river I would have enough head pressure to generate all the power I need even in dry times. I own it but cannot use it. That's OK with me.
Speaking of such things the local river association decided one year during a severe drought that all the beaver dams were preventing water flow to get to the reservoir. Of course all things being equal that just was plain stupidity as once the beaver dam backwater filled up then the water would wash over the beaver dam. But they decided to take down all the beaver dams without talking to anybody. Next thing I and my neighbor knew is we heard folks down there tearing down beaver dams. The trouble is once they did the the next day the beaver just started taking down trees and remade the dams. A few phone calls to explain to them that 1. they were not increasing total water flow into the reservoir and 2. The more dams the took out the more trees the beavers took down kind of stopped that one.
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The more dams the took out the more trees the beavers took down.
Doh! :tongue: Why they couldn't think that far ahead is really funny! Too bad stupid little ideas have such big consequences. :popcorn:
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sounds like someone needs a dog?
an airborne patrol dog
like this one -
(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/bowwowtimes-new/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/pug-drone-bowwow-times.jpg)
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Doh! :tongue: Why they couldn't think that far ahead is really funny! Too bad stupid little ideas have such big consequences. :popcorn:
When I was growing up the local Water Authority was snowed under by complaints about ducks in on the small river in town.
People fed them bread and the numbers of these Mallard cross ducks had probably hit over 100 on a small, maybe 20foot wide, river.
A senior manager(my Dads boss) decided the best thing to do was to catch the ducks put them in a van and drive them up to a lake in the hills.
He forgot that ducks can fly, my Dad decided not to tell him.
They were all back the next day.
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He should have put them in the freezer.
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I believe technically the FAA governs all air space everywhere above the ground. Pilots know that flying below 5K feet is flying by sight. Do I have that correct pilots?
Not really. You can fly VFR (visual flight rules) from ground level up to 18000 feet, IIRC.
In Indiana, and I *assume* nation wide, you own the airspace above your property, but I don't know how high that goes. A local model airport had to close because final approach to the runway was over a lady's property, and she didn't like it.
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The model airports sure have it tough, Chuck. There was a really nice one on an old landfill in Rockville, MD. Then subdivisions were built around it. Then it closed.
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The model airports sure have it tough, Chuck. There was a really nice one on an old landfill in Rockville, MD. Then subdivisions were built around it. Then it closed.
The main reason I no longer fly.
Atlanta growth has taken over the flying fields for about an 80 mile radius. It sucks.
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That's one thing that makes quadcopters fun, you can fly them in your back yard, or in your living room.
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From this article on WSJ http://www.wsj.com/articles/drones-boom-raises-new-question-who-owns-your-airspace-1431535417
Note the FAA has the authority down to the ground. I have read this in numerous articles. Sound bizarre that someone can fly there drone just above ground level on your property but that is what this is saying.
The FAA says the advent of drones has extended “navigable airspace”—and thus the FAA’s authority—down to the ground. As long as private drones don’t endanger people, the agency says, they can legally hover just above private property in the U.S. The agency added that many states and cities have “noise and nuisance” laws they can use to prosecute drone users who fly over private property.
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Harv , the part about not endangering anyone is the loophole . If a drone flies into someone's yard where anyone is present I will bet a decent attorney can make a case that it is endangering that person or persons . The regulation also doesn't mention the use of a camera .
Dusty
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The current ruling by the FAA based on the recent legislation requires that all drone owners register with the FAA and their registration number must be put on any drone that they own (any that are more than 8oz?).
Yep, another law and another group of feds that you are paying for because a few abuse the privilege.
And, yes, the rule applies to all remotely controlled aircraft.
Just wait a few years and all these idiots will get tired of pointing their cameras at things/people. The others will be out trying to get the next viral youtube video.
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The negative prospects of this trend are endless. What happens when a nut-case or a terrorist figures out the destruction that can be visited upon any target with one of these things.
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The current ruling by the FAA based on the recent legislation requires that all drone owners register with the FAA and their registration number must be put on any drone that they own (any that are more than 8oz?).
Yep, another law and another group of feds that you are paying for because a few abuse the privilege.
And, yes, the rule applies to all remotely controlled aircraft.
Just wait a few years and all these idiots will get tired of pointing their cameras at things/people. The others will be out trying to get the next viral youtube video.
Virtually every consumer item (except one) is regulated by the Fed Government. These things are trouble waiting to happen. Not that I think they should be banned but to think what power you have with a drone whether it be cameras or dropping a load of dog sh** on your neighbor and on and on go the possibilities. They are going to be abused and if not abused mistakes will be made. And given that the things can fly high enough to get into airspace the possibility of an accident with an aircraft exists. The guy who shot this down was real lucky because he discharged a weapon in the city which is against the law in that town. Drone or no drone he did break the law and was fortunate to be dismissed on that charge. He said he shot straight up into the air and never shot horizontal and maybe that was in his favor.
Out here in the county there are no laws regarding discharging weapons. I had a neighbor who was having psychotic episodes. One afternoon walked outside and just started firing off his .30.06 into the air. He did it for about 5 minutes and a couple of times a day. There was literally nothing we could do as their are no laws governing discharging a weapon in the county. He had been having mental health issues for months including seeing people at night with red glowing eyes. It was a tragedy for the guy. He was a decent dude. The family got involved and had him hospitalized.
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As I understand it, from old case law there are no air rights at all for property owners with regard to aircraft. You can't close off your air space or charge a fee for it. If something were to fly where you think it's too low, you then have a complaint from a noise or a safety issue, but not an air rights issue.
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Virtually every consumer item (except one) is regulated by the Fed Government. These things are trouble waiting to happen. Not that I think they should be banned but to think what power you have with a drone whether it be cameras or dropping a load of dog sh** on your neighbor and on and on go the possibilities. They are going to be abused and if not abused mistakes will be made. And given that the things can fly high enough to get into airspace the possibility of an accident with an aircraft exists. The guy who shot this down was real lucky because he discharged a weapon in the city which is against the law in that town. Drone or no drone he did break the law and was fortunate to be dismissed on that charge. He said he shot straight up into the air and never shot horizontal and maybe that was in his favor.
Out here in the county there are no laws regarding discharging weapons. I had a neighbor who was having psychotic episodes. One afternoon walked outside and just started firing off his .30.06 into the air. He did it for about 5 minutes and a couple of times a day. There was literally nothing we could do as their are no laws governing discharging a weapon in the county. He had been having mental health issues for months including seeing people at night with red glowing eyes. It was a tragedy for the guy. He was a decent dude. The family got involved and had him hospitalized.
Your county needs to come into the 18th century. Those 30.06 rounds have to come down somewhere, and while I'm sure it's a sparsely populated area, it's still dangerous. Reckless endangerment comes to mind. That's usually used as a catch-all charge when you're searching the books looking for something to charge someone with.
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If you were to moon a drone, will that be illegal?
Reminds me of the natives in Papua New Guinea they would down flying foxes by tying down a springy tree loaded with sticky vines then let it go as the bats flew over, I'm sure some bits of fine wire or string fired from a catapult would hamper the props somewhat. Sounds like fun, bring on the drones.
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Your county needs to come into the 18th century. Those 30.06 rounds have to come down somewhere, and while I'm sure it's a sparsely populated area, it's still dangerous. Reckless endangerment comes to mind. That's usually used as a catch-all charge when you're searching the books looking for something to charge someone with.
That is not what the sheriff said when 2 neighbors called in to complain. There response was you live in the county and there are no rules. And I live literally 2 miles from the county seat and just 1/2 mile from the town city limits.
How many counties in this country do you think have restrictions on discharging a firearm? I'd bet the farm most rural counties do not have restrictions: only urban counties restrict discharging a firearm for the obvious reason you pointed out. More rural people own weapons that city people which may have something to do hence the laxity of discharge laws. I do not know. This is not a political statement. It comes Pew Research Center on the demographics of gun ownership.
From this article: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/the-demographics-and-politics-of-gun-owning-households/
" For example, rural residents and older adults are disproportionately more likely than other Americans to have a gun at home."
My guess is you will see the same restrictions on drones in urban areas take hold faster than you will in rural areas for the same reasons.
My neighbor shooting his 30 odd 6 had a low threshold for injuring someone in a rural area vs urban area. Same will hold true for drones.
No politics here. I do not want to start a gun debate nor a drone debate; but there is a reason why urban areas have more restrictions: high density in population in small area. Speed limits in urban areas are much lower than rural for the same reasons.
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If you were to moon a drone, will that be illegal?
Reminds me of the natives in Papua New Guinea they would down flying foxes by tying down a springy tree loaded with sticky vines then let it go as the bats flew over, I'm sure some bits of fine wire or string fired from a catapult would hamper the props somewhat. Sounds like fun, bring on the drones.
Hey that is a great idea. Forget the spud shooters and bring on the CO2 charged nets in the shape of a ball. Your odds are not as good as a scatter shot 12 gauge but it sure would not be illegal.
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If one is creative you could build your own multiple rocket launcher using the Estes model rockets. If you hit the drone it will probably take it down. If you miss it flies till it's little parachute or drag ribbons pop out. You could create models of the old Vietnam vintage SAM IIs. Whole new hobby and would look cool on Youtube! :grin:
GliderJohn
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So what are you guys doing to prevent lightening or a meteor from striking your back yards ? Guessing the odds are about the same as having a drone equipped with a bomb or a squirrel armed with an AK47 invading your back yard :rolleyes:
Dusty
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So what are you guys doing to prevent lightening or a meteor from striking your back yards ? Guessing the odds are about the same as having a drone equipped with a bomb or a squirrel armed with an AK47 invading your back yard :rolleyes:
Dusty
I've decided to kill two birds with one stone on that issue.
My mini barrage balloons that I installed this weekend have lightning rods and the cables are grounded.
No drones or lightning strikes will be happening in my yard.
I'm still working on the squirrel issue. And my dog isn't helping a bit...
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Tell the dog that you will tie its tail to one of the lightening rods unless he takes care of the squirrels. All problems solved.
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Hey that is a great idea. Forget the spud shooters and bring on the CO2 charged nets in the shape of a ball. Your odds are not as good as a scatter shot 12 gauge but it sure would not be illegal.
Now that's a cool idea and not just for drones. I have a CZ, RV85 Flare launcher. It's a 26.5mm bore and generally we play with black powder or odd ball re-loads. Trying to develop a reliable and relatively accurate, cinematic grade net launcher could be a hoot.
(http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=210165&stc=1&d=1430270483)
Todd.
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legitimate air travel vs peeping tomfoolery
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Oh Hell, I thought you said DROANS and POOPING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNQi1bJ2VEg
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Droans and Pooping?
I saw Peeing.
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Droans and Pooping?
I saw Peeing.
Be careful now, you are getting dangerously close to political.
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Now that's a cool idea and not just for drones. I have a CZ, RV85 Flare launcher. It's a 26.5mm bore and generally we play with black powder or odd ball re-loads. Trying to develop a reliable and relatively accurate, cinematic grade net launcher could be a hoot.
(http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=210165&stc=1&d=1430270483)
Todd.
Ever watch the movie Hatari? Remember the big rocket net they used to catch monkeys? :)
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Yea I remember it. Red Buttons caught a bunch of monkeys. That would be a pretty expensive way to catch a drone.
Cheaper defense would be helium filled balloons anchored by string in your yard or on your house. The strings would be difficult for a drone to see and they would function as ww1 barrage balloons to prevent aerial invasion. Not only the anchoring strings but each could carry another string just hanging down.
The prevailing wind would hold the balloon down wind from its anchorage point, and the hangin string would trail down wind of that creating two hazards from each balloon. This could be difficult for a drone to avoid.
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The new FAA regulation also requires that the operator keep the drone/model/quad in sight, so no legal FPV without at least a spotter with him if using FPV helmet/goggles.
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The negative prospects of this trend are endless. What happens when a nut-case or a terrorist figures out the destruction that can be visited upon any target with one of these things.
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RC aircraft can have nice payloads. And have had for 30 years. The difference now is that the drones with good cameras are not cheap.
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They would die of boredom watching our place with a drone.
Dean
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I heard this morning on NPR that some Chinese company has just developed a manned drone. Isn't that what we refer to as an airplane?
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Just remember, now that all UAS that weigh more than .55 pound are required to be registered with the FAA, get the side number from the quad copter hovering over your property and report it to the FEDS (of course, there is no enforcement mechanism at present and the FAA probably doesn't really cart..). They will surely take appropriate action.
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Here is an interesting story on drone control in the Netherlands.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dutch-police-drones-idUSKCN0VB136
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t652/redrider901/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-02%20at%2010.54.11%20AM_zpstdicjvix.png) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/redrider901/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-02%20at%2010.54.11%20AM_zpstdicjvix.png.html)
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I heard this morning on NPR that some Chinese company has just developed a manned drone. Isn't that what we refer to as an airplane?
Not if they wear a Borg costume. :wink:
On another note, the weight threshold for registering drones will surely help fuel making lighter and lighter drones. So much for that.
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Here is an interesting story on drone control in the Netherlands.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dutch-police-drones-idUSKCN0VB136
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t652/redrider901/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-02%20at%2010.54.11%20AM_zpstdicjvix.png)
(http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/redrider901/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-02%20at%2010.54.11%20AM_zpstdicjvix.png.html)
Well we have two Bald Eagles living in our cove here at the lake so I feel much better now.
Dean
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The bald eagles have been spying on you for years. They attack drones as competitors.
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Actually that would work pretty well on my class of drone anyway. When one of the blades touch something, limb, leaves, hawk leg, it shuts down.