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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: canuguzzi on January 18, 2016, 10:52:59 PM
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If you had $6000 to just spend just 'cause and wanted to lighten up a Stelvio, Griso or Norge, what would you do?
The money has to be spent, no putting it into another MG or anything else, its tied to making one of those bikes lighter. No engine performance mods, no diets for yourself, plain and simple, it goes into the bike.
What would you do and how much weight would you save? A simple academic endeavor, no strings that it isn't worth it, you have the 6K and you either use it to lighten up the bike or you don't get the money.
Bikes have to remain true to their calling, removing the fairing on the Norge for example no go, replacing it with similar function but lighter is OK. Stuff line that.
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Call me crazy, I'd just get a 2nd lighterbike <shrug>
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Call me crazy, I'd just get a 2nd lighterbike <shrug>
Lighter exhaust , maybe a lighter fairing .OR , you could just send me the $6K , I will drill it full of holes , nothing lighter than a hole :rolleyes: :laugh:
Dusty
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Lighter exhaust , maybe a lighter fairing .OR , you could just send me the $6K , I will drill it full of holes , nothing lighter than a hole :rolleyes: :laugh:
Dusty
Maybe just cut down on the possum innards and gravy :thewife:
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Call me crazy, I'd just get a 2nd lighterbike <shrug>
"The money has to be spent, no putting it into another MG or anything else, its tied to making one of those bikes lighter. No engine performance mods, no diets for yourself, plain and simple, it goes into the bike."
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I'd buy another v7 stone engine n box for my spare TT and send an aeroplane ticket to the md of Moto guzzi and show him how to build a proper v7 scrambler
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I'd transplant a carbed 2 valve 1100 motor into the bike. 2 less valves has to have a least a few ounces of weight savings. I also scrap the ABS + all the wiring and components related to FI and ABS. If there was money left over a lighter weight exhaust.
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Shorai battery
Exhaust with carbon fiber muffler
Carbon fiber wheels
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I'd use the money to fly out to your house, physically remove you from atop your Norge, then I'd take it for a nice long ride (I weigh less). When there's nothing but fumes left in the tank I'd return it, drain all the fluids out of the bike and let the air out of the tires, then fly home (first class of course).
Where's the "drop the microphone" emogie?
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Remove the bags, add a lighter exhaust as mentioned and bank the rest of the money.
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Why? They are what they are.
You list three different bikes with widely different 'looks'. If I wanted to lighten one I'd get the Griso and strip it down like a cafe/bobber. The other two? Maybe a lighter exhaust. Dropping the luggage would help, but, if I didn't want the luggage I wouldn't own either of them.
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I'd use the money to fly out to your house, physically remove you from atop your Norge, then I'd take it for a nice long ride (I weigh less). When there's nothing but fumes left in the tank I'd return it, drain all the fluids out of the bike and let the air out of the tires, then fly home (first class of course).
Where's the "drop the microphone" emogie?
:laugh: :grin: :laugh:
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I'd make a Stelvio GT along the lines of a Multistrada: 17" light alloy (or carbon) wheels, Ohlins suspension, aftermarket exhaust, solo seat and a Tenni paint scheme.
M
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Wheels and Brakes.
Lighter wheels and lighter brake rotors can make a huge difference in suspension performance, handling, and feel.
Reducing both unsprung weight and rotational inertia are the next best things to increasing power and changing gearing.
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Wheels and Brakes.
Lighter wheels and lighter brake rotors can make a huge difference in suspension performance, handling, and feel.
Reducing both unsprung weight and rotational inertia are the next best things to increasing power and changing gearing.
Also , put helium in the tires :rolleyes: Hmm , does 5W oil weigh less than 60W ?
Dusty
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Wheels and Brakes.
Lighter wheels and lighter brake rotors can make a huge difference in suspension performance, handling, and feel.
Reducing both unsprung weight and rotational inertia are the next best things to increasing power and changing gearing.
Maybe I'm just used to 40# Harley boat anchors for cast wheels, but man I remember the Marchesini wheels (with rotors) on the B11 seemed feather light already. Would you really save anything significant?
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Take the $6000, the Norge and your checkbook to the Ducati shop and trade for a Multistrada 1200 Enduro.
Dean
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Call me crazy, I'd just get a 2nd lighterbike <shrug>
I realize this isn't a permitted answer, but I sure agree, John. In fact I'd probably be able to buy two lighter bikes, judging by past purchases. :laugh:
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I would turn it into gas for my Stelvio, the bike gets lighter as it consumes it.
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Maybe I'm just used to 40# Harley boat anchors for cast wheels, but man I remember the Marchesini wheels (with rotors) on the B11 seemed feather light already. Would you really save anything significant?
Yeah, going with forged Marchessinis would save and extra few pounds per wheel over the cast variety. And going to front rotors with lightweight aluminum carriers can save a little, too.
It may only add up to an overall savings of 10 or 12 pounds on a static scale, but the weight savings is where it matters, in parts that move.
I don't know what the cast wheels on the Breva/Norge weigh, but I would imagine they're on the heavy side for what they are.
The Ducatis I've ridden with light wheels were quite a revelation.
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Yeah, going with forged Marchessinis would save and extra few pounds per wheel over the cast variety. And going to front rotors with lightweight aluminum carriers can save a little, too.
It may only add up to an overall savings of 10 or 12 pounds on a static scale, but the weight savings is where it matters, in parts that move.
I don't know what the cast wheels on the Breva/Norge weigh, but I would imagine they're on the heavy side for what they are.
The Ducatis I've ridden with light wheels were quite a revelation.
I forget if I thought to weigh the B11 wheels (complete with rotors and tires) but I'm not exaggerating If I said compared to the Harley wheels they only felt like they were 10 or 12 pounds in the first place.
I remember because I was replacing the front tire on the B11 and the rear tire on the XL1200 the same day and had them off side-by-side.
The Ducati Monster front wheel (Brembo I think) that I banged up was pretty light too, but didn't seem any lighter. I have that on a shelf if weighing it would be of any interest. Anyone have a stripped CARC wheel to weigh and compare?
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Maybe have the plastic parts reproduced in carbon fiber, then have the metal parts (tank, etc) reproduced in aluminum. If it's a nice custom shop, then that 6k would be gone at that point. :cheesy:
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Maybe have the plastic parts reproduced in carbon fiber, then have the metal parts (tank, etc) reproduced in aluminum. If it's a nice custom shop, then that 6k would be gone at that point. :cheesy:
Ha ha, I can't imagine the plastic is going to save you more than a few pounds that way. A that point you might as well just unbolt it and throw it away.
But what's steel on these bikes and not aluminum already (that could be replaced with aluminum)?
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What is the weight of other newer 100 HP sport bikes? About 450-500 pounds ? What does a Griso actually weigh?
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What is the weight of other newer 100 HP sport bikes? About 450-500 pounds ? What does a Griso actually weigh?
06 Griso 1100 - 74 rwhp / 543 # wet
09 Griso 1200 8V - 95 rwhp / 548# wet
16 Griso 1200 8V - 98 rwhp / 553# wet
It's another world: up to 50% more power and 20-30% less weight - some examples including from Piaggio:
10 Aprilia RSV4 - 153 rwhp / 459# wet
14 Aprilia Tuono - 148 rwhp / 476# wet
14 BMW S1000R - 153 rwhp / 463# wet
14 BMW R9T - 99.64 rwhp / 486# wet
14 Ducati Monster 1200S - 136 rwhp / 470# wet
08 Honda CBR1000RR - 151 rwhp / 440# wet
11 Honda CB1000R - 109 rwhp / 480# wet
13 Kawasaki ZX-6R - 114 rwhp / 421# wet
14 Kawasaki Z1000 ABS - 123 rwhp / 476# wet
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Hmmm, dropping 100 pounds off a Griso would require extensive work , likely a new or different frame and absolute minimum of equipment...A very skilled hobbyist could probably do it...
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Buy your lady something reeeaaallly nice; the returns beat a (marginally) lighter, better handling motorcycle by a HUUUge degree!!!!!!!
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What is the weight of other newer 100 HP sport bikes? About 450-500 pounds ?
2014 Yamaha FZ09: 115 hp, wet weight 414 lbs., price (new) $7990
You could probably buy a 2014 FZ09 for the $6,000 in the original post.
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Jim, the FZ09 is very nice for that money. I believe it's like a friend's 1050 Speed Triple I've ridden, much more intense than a Guzzi ?
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Buy your lady something reeeaaallly nice; the returns beat a (marginally) lighter, better handling motorcycle by a HUUUge degree!!!!!!!
That assumes you can't have both. Motorcycles and related things are additions, not replacements or surrogates. Buying people things to get benefits from them just puts a price tag on it and there will always be someone with more money than you.
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Gold plate the exhaust
Carbon fiber everything that could be replaced for some weight savings
Rebuild the windshield motor to something more powerful along with a single button for up/down
Put a remote starter on it
Put Titanium pegs on it
Get some Bontrager wheels
Put a few more stickers on it...mine doesn't have enough yet!
:)
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A set of these would likely take most of the funds
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I would buy the rosso corsa on e bay.
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A set of these would likely take most of the funds
Nah. About $2200 is all...
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Nah. About $2200 is all...
Would they fit?
Or a source for the lightest practical wheels that would?
Same for brakes if you wanted the lightest but still reliable. It isn't about the money.
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I would buy the rosso corsa on e bay.
Smart man, get in line. Just sitting here waiting for that $6,000 check to hit the mailbox.
Dean
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Would they fit?
Or a source for the lightest practical wheels that would?
Same for brakes if you wanted the lightest but still reliable. It isn't about the money.
Yes. http://www.guzzitech.com/store/product/kineo-tubeless-spoked-wheels/
Don't know what they weigh, but Todd@GuzziTech may be able to tell you.
For brakes, I'd be looking at PFM. They have some really nice superbike rotors that are pretty light. Remember that your Norge uses the same as pre-'99 Ducatis, when you're looking at fitment lists.
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/superbikes/57690d1257830913-brake-rotors-p1010492.jpg)
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I would lose 20 lbs. ( which I need to do anyway) and keep my Griso the way it is. That will lighten it up... :cool:
Tony C
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Yes. http://www.guzzitech.com/store/product/kineo-tubeless-spoked-wheels/
Don't know what they weigh, but Todd@GuzziTech may be able to tell you.
For brakes, I'd be looking at PFM. They have some really nice superbike rotors that are pretty light. Remember that your Norge uses the same as pre-'99 Ducatis, when you're looking at fitment lists.
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/superbikes/57690d1257830913-brake-rotors-p1010492.jpg)
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/sport-touring/189281d1367251158-pfm-sport-discs-imageuploadedbymo-free1367251155.859571.jpg)
Thanks. I'd lose 20 lbs if I had that much I could lose.
I'm going give this a look. Just money for high quality add ons so why not? From my understanding reducing unsprung weight also let's the suspension react more efficiently.
Motorcycling is a hobby, one of the least expensive so far.
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The ductile iron PFM superbike rotors are top-notch. Their calipers are really nice, too. Lighter weight and better performance.
If money isn't an issue, then they're the way to go!
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For $6K I'd look at how hard and expensive a titanium frame would run.
All sorts of exotic bits that you put on the bike; in the end, for the most part it would be lipstick on a pig. Not that the Norge is a pig. When cruising across the Great American West, especially on the interstate, weight can be a good thing. Especially dealing with cross winds and semi's.
For me, $6K would be best applied to a second bike. I can't imagine sinking $6k into any bike to improve it. If it is going to take that much money my initial knee jerk reaction: You bought the wrong bike.
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Spend $6K on a black cherry paint job from the best custom paint shop in town...It will look faster! :)
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For $6K I'd look at how hard and expensive a titanium frame would run.
All sorts of exotic bits that you put on the bike; in the end, for the most part it would be lipstick on a pig. Not that the Norge is a pig. When cruising across the Great American West, especially on the interstate, weight can be a good thing. Especially dealing with cross winds and semi's.
For me, $6K would be best applied to a second bike. I can't imagine sinking $6k into any bike to improve it. If it is going to take that much money my initial knee jerk reaction: You bought the wrong bike.
Its just money. Not trying to be uppity about money but motorcycling is a hobby so why not? The guy putting a V7 engine into that TT is doing much the same, he could just buy a V7 instead of replacing an entire engine and making what is really a different bike.
It can be fun. How many here haven't taken cars and nodded then to the tune of thousands or even tens of thousands and turned a mild street car into some fire breathing butt burner?
If everything comes down to how much something costs then I dare say there would be too many Guzzis being ressurected, cars being chopped, scooped, and otherwise being redone.
It isn't the wrong bike, it might end up a bike with better and lighter wheels, top tier brakes etc. How about Guzzis with sidecars, did they buy the wrong bike and should they not be in a car? Heck no, they like it. More power to them.
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How about $200 bucks and get those highway pegs installed? Ever figure that Holy Grail yet? :grin: :grin:
Another $150 bucks and a non bending Titanium side stand...
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How about $200 bucks and get those highway pegs installed? Ever figure that Holy Grail yet? :grin: :grin:
Another $150 bucks and a non bending Titanium side stand...
Cyl head bashbbars would do it for me, not into highway pegs though. Been playing around with some PVC pipe 3/4" to see what is possible. If I can figure it out, then I'll have a shop bend up something and see how it goes.
Side stand is warranty thing so letting them take care of that. Still working on the inclinometer activated side lights, slow going.
I did finish up the speakers mount which I discovered can hold a nice bike cam between it and the windscreen. It is center mounted and the curve of the windscreen doesn't seem to distort the video. Its nice because it is right in the center for a good frontal view.
Completely remodded the tablet mount, making it much lighter yet putting the screen about 2.5" closer. The entire mount is just a few ounces.
Swapped out the LED driving lamp for a lighter model with the same power. The mount for it got the drill treatment to make it lighter.
The fairing is actually quite heavy. Who knows, eventually get replaced, there is room for improvement to personal taste.
For longer rides, it would be nice to have a solo seat with the rear portion used as a storage pod or something like that. No hitchhikers no matter how good they look or where they need to go.
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Cyl head bashbbars would do it for me, not into highway pegs though. Been playing around with some PVC pipe 3/4" to see what is possible. If I can figure it out, then I'll have a shop bend up something and see how it goes.
These would be nice...the OEM ones unfortunately bolt to the frame and create an intolerable level of vibration transmitted back to the rider thru the handlebars and frame...but they are useful in that rare event the bike goes down or to mount some lights or pegs. I wish there was a way to insulate them from the vibration...
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Instead of spending all that money on trying to lighten things up, why not spend some of the money on suspension, ride height and professional setup. Once that is dialed in you will notice the bike handles and feels much lighter. Then look at lighter wheels, exhaust, etc. :bike-037:
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I'll play along with the original question (rather than suggest alternative uses of funds)
I agree with the wheels, exhaust, and battery suggestions already made - those seem like the easiest, bolt-on weight-savings. I don't think anyone has mentioned a rear fender eliminator - it's not a lot of weight to save, but it's something.
Also think about every feature on the bike and whether you really want or need it. Anything you remove is a 100% weight reduction (of that part). Maybe take a look at this Naked Norge project for some ideas:
http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18286
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http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18286
The norge actually looks pretty cool without that lower fairing. So based on what I see on that thread, looks to me the front headlamp probably weighs a ton, and so does the huge tank.
That said, if trying to keep the original look and lines, I'd still go with a custom made aluminum tank. If going more café, then it appears that a lot can be dropped off. Also, speaking of stands... I'd take one out if really going for weight reduction. The center stand would be my choice to remove.
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$6K should get me a nice new engine with rollers after my Norge 8V flat tappet motor explodes.... It may even cover some of the hospital bill following removal of the metal bits from my delicate parts as I read somewhere that the 8V motor has more "bits" than the 2V..... Sigh......I suppose there is a perfectly good fuel tank between me and the potentially hot exploding engine.... That is assuming of course the bike starts in the first place......
Seriously I love my Norge. There is nothing I would change or upgrade if I had $6K spare. (except the roller tappet upgrade one day).
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Out of curiosity, just how much does a new 8V engine cost? If someone is faced with a max parts upgrade from the flats, how close are costs to a new engine? ( you'd get the latest greatest plus a warranty right?)
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That assumes you can't have both. Motorcycles and related things are additions, not replacements or surrogates. Buying people things to get benefits from them just puts a price tag on it and there will always be someone with more money than you.
U bin hang out wit rong kine of wimmins :rolleyes:
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I'd join a gym, lose 100lbs and any money left would go to new riding gear.
Tobit
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Grandpa always said "you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear" so why try?
$6000 will buy a brand new 2015 V7 Stone in Portland. so I just did.