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Title: V7 Maps
Post by: romanoaf on January 29, 2016, 01:43:09 PM
Hi All,

Simple question, is it possible to update the ECU map on the single TB dry stator V7's (MY14') at home with Guzzidiag?
I've had cold start issues with the bike since new, and have soaked a pair of plugs to the point of not starting in the cold (with Zard pipes). Normally not an issue for most to take to the dealer, but my closest is 2 hrs away, and I've already invested in the cables.

Thanks, 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: guzzisteve on January 29, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
I had read they are close, don't know for sure. Maybe Beetle could update.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Kev m on January 29, 2016, 02:06:11 PM
Last I heard, not yet.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: malik on January 29, 2016, 02:39:46 PM
Not quite yet, but getting closer.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: rocker59 on January 29, 2016, 02:56:30 PM
Hi All,

Simple question, is it possible to update the ECU map on the single TB dry stator V7's (MY14') at home with Guzzidiag?
I've had cold start issues with the bike since new, and have soaked a pair of plugs to the point of not starting in the cold (with Zard pipes). Normally not an issue for most to take to the dealer, but my closest is 2 hrs away, and I've already invested in the cables.

Thanks,

Does your bike have the latest factory update?  If it's running the original 2014 map, then I can tell you that you will see a huge improvement by having your dealer update your ECU with the newer map that was put out in 2015.

The updated map, which was released in 2015, is:  352BV738


My nearest dealer is also 2-hours away.  120-miles.  I made an appointment for a Saturday.  They knocked out the update with 1/2 hour labor.  Included downloading the new map, resetting the TPS, etc.  The bike ran MUCH better after that $42.50 visit to the shop.  I also did the "remove the main fuse" reset and the idle became much more stable at 1300 rpm.  No more issues with cold starting or cold drivability.  The bike can sit for days or weeks, and I can just start and go on a cool winter day.

It will be worth your time to get it back to the dealer for a map update and TPS reset.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on January 29, 2016, 03:08:38 PM
Not there yet. Working on it. The map reader for the MIUG3 is done, but the writer is still a work in progress.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: romanoaf on January 29, 2016, 03:22:21 PM
Not there yet. Working on it. The map reader for the MIUG3 is done, but the writer is still a work in progress.

Thanks for the updates!
Is there anything I can do to help development? I'd be willing to guinea pig my bike to a degree.

Roman
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on January 29, 2016, 03:30:04 PM
Appreciate the offer, but you're a bit far away for us to do unspeakable things to your V7.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: romanoaf on January 29, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
Appreciate the offer, but you're a bit far away for us to do unspeakable things to your V7.

No worries, I'm not adverse to playing around with software, and can push and pull maps; if you change your mind.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: sturgeon on January 30, 2016, 03:09:30 PM
...
It will be worth your time to get it back to the dealer for a map update and TPS reset.

I had mine in to the dealer last year for replacement of a leaky final-drive seal, under warranty. He updated the map while he was at it, no charge. Made a noticeable difference in cold starting, although it didn't really bother me all that much the way it was.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on January 31, 2016, 04:57:40 AM
The reading maps is working, I'm busy with the xdf files, the v7 and v7II need different xdf. It looks that the bike has two fuel maps, and two ignition, it has a cold engine mode and a warm mode that get their own map.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on February 01, 2016, 04:23:19 AM
The MUI 3 g reader for the new single TB v7 is ready and online.
We love to have each different map there is from the v7, so if you can download it and send it to us, of if it won't work we like to know too.

mail:  guzzidiag  at gmail.com

Won't be long for the writer is ready.

There are XDF files so you can see and edit maps in Tunerpro too.
The xdf's are made on the knowledge we have, some things will change when more experience is there with the Mui3g
The v7 and v7II need different xdf, take the right one.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: malik on February 01, 2016, 06:16:07 AM
Great stuff. I'll get on to that, but first a ride (just back tonight & off again in the morning for a few days).
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Clancy on February 01, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
I will give the reader a go tonight and send you the file.

Paul, your efforts and dedication to this are very appreciated.
I will be showing this appreciation with a donation and hope others 'follow suit'.

Cheers
Craig
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on February 02, 2016, 01:48:23 AM
The most work has been done by Beard, the programmer. Don't think it's my work only. Any donation is appreciated.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Clancy on February 02, 2016, 04:16:39 AM
Just successfully uploaded the bin and am looking at it with Tunerpro
 :bow:
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: organfixsing on May 10, 2016, 05:37:41 AM
I downloaded the maps from my 2015 V7II, i.e. the original 740 map.
 Looking at the fuel maps it seems to me that you may have the 'Warm' and 'Cold' maps reversed. The warm map has more fuel than the cold map.
I would like to get hold of a 796 map to see what they have done to improve the 'cold' running. Thanks for all the work you people have put in.

Cheers

Brian  :grin: :bow:
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pete roper on May 10, 2016, 06:12:42 AM
Mark now has a corrected OL map for dry alt MUIG3 and V7II. We know this is an improvement on the stock set up and I'm still trying to get my head around how the MUIG3 physically works. It seems to have a cam operated butterfly but one of the things that has to be done when re-mapping is the 'Throttle Self Learning' function and you can hear a servo motor operate when the function is carried out. This isn't just the Stepper cycling, it's another 'Electro/mechanical' function. Needless to say we are told nothing by MM or The Factory! :rolleyes:

Pete
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Kev m on May 10, 2016, 06:49:47 AM
Mark now has a corrected OL map for dry alt MUIG3 and V7II. We know this is an improvement on the stock set up and I'm still trying to get my head around how the MUIG3 physically works. It seems to have a cam operated butterfly but one of the things that has to be done when re-mapping is the 'Throttle Self Learning' function and you can hear a servo motor operate when the function is carried out. This isn't just the Stepper cycling, it's another 'Electro/mechanical' function. Needless to say we are told nothing by MM or The Factory! :rolleyes:

Pete

TOTAL SWAG - but maybe there is a variable connection between the portion of the cam to which the cables connect and the throttle butterfly. Something akin to how VVT motors have an adjustable connection between the timing chain and camshaft pulley?

Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pete roper on May 10, 2016, 07:04:41 AM
Logic suggests a RBW system with a mechanical over-ride but I freely admit to being Robinson Crueso on that one.

Pete
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on May 10, 2016, 08:39:08 AM
I suppose they do as little mechanical as possible. This is a low cost unit, developed for scooters and the like. There is a map sensor inside. But what the stepper should do? I'll look again in the docs at home
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Kev m on May 10, 2016, 08:56:44 AM
I can't imagine why a throttle body would be both RBW AND still have a stepper.

I guess it's possible, but it seems redundant.

Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on May 10, 2016, 01:47:17 PM
I just looked, the miu has a stepper, and not rbw.

3. Operating logic

Idle speed management:
The ECU manages idle speed completely automatically.
To allow idle speed management, the throttle body has a
throttle valve by-pass duct controlled by a stepper motor. 
The ECU defines a target idle speed in relation to operating
conditions (engine temperature, ambient temperature etc.), and
actuates the stepper motor accordingly to maintain the idle
speed at this target value.
The idle speed is therefore calculated by the ECU and cannot be
modified.
Tampering with the setting of the calibration screw will compromise the ability of the ECU to maintain a
correct and stable idle speed.
In the event of tampering, the MIU unit must be replaced as it will not be possible to restore the original
calibration.
Notes:
1. At key-on, the stepper motor is completely open to facilitate starting (kick-down position).
2. At each stepper motor step, the injection time is also altered to maintain a constant air/fuel ratio.
3. Only oxygen sensor-based or MAP sensor-based correction influences injection time independently
of stepper motor aperture. 

Notes:
1. Oxygen sensor-based correction has priority over MAP sensor-based correction.
2. The correction factor is updated when operating conditions are stable - in other words, when neither
the throttle aperture nor the engine speed vary excessively rapidly.
3. If the correction factor requested exceeds ±25%, the EFI warning lamp on the instrument panel is
activated, the self-adaptive matrices are reset to zero and the error is memorised in the ECU.

New self-adaptive engine management (air/fuel ratio) strategy
The G3 unit used with this engine features a self-adaptive engine management function.
This allows the ECU to adapt to the effective needs of the engine, and even compensate for engine
deteriorating factors such as, for instance, fouling of the air filter or throttle body.
To do this, the ECU uses feedback from the oxygen sensors or the MAP sensor in relation to the effective
operating conditions. In the latter instance, the effective absolute manifold pressure is used to calculate
the effective mass of air aspirated into the cylinder.
The correction factor is calculated and applied by compiling and continuously updating two 10x10 self
adaptive matrices, with one for cold engine conditions and the other for hot engine conditions.
At each reference point (rpm – throttle aperture), the injection time is increased or reduced by a
percentage equal to the value of the corresponding correction parameter.
The diagnostic tool may be used to read the ADAPTIVE FUEL CORRECTION parameter, which is expressed
as a percentage of the base map injection time.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: oldlegs on May 10, 2016, 04:03:57 PM
Brilliant, thanks for the explanation. Steve.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: zokn on May 27, 2016, 08:20:18 AM
I may have this all wrong, so please feel free to clarify, correct etc.

I have a 2013 V7 Stone that runs well 98% of the time, but it does need to be warm or it will stall, it occasionally falters slightly if it gets a long, hot, run at higher speeds, and then it will idle roughly until it settles and I've have some coffee and a snack. There are over 10,000 km on the bike and I've performed all services. (I'm fairly experienced: maintained and rebuilt BSA's and R-type BMW's, Series Land Rovers, and lots of old marine engines.) I live 3 hours from the nearest Guzzi dealer, but after speaking on the phone with the service person who took my call, I have no confidence in taking my bike there for the ECU map upgrading: He did not know about ECU upgrading or if there even was a new map. The next nearest dealers are in Quebec (SM Sport, Goblet Moto, Rock Moto),  or New Hampshire (Seacoast Sport), so that's not really practical, but may be necessary. I am planning to ride from Nova Scotia to Montreal this summer, so I could plan to add a day, take a detour, and get the service done.

I believe the following:

- A new ECU map (352BV738) that may improve the bike's running exists and should be installed

- Installing the new map is not absolutely necessary if I can use the bike as it is without harming it

- The latest Guzzidiag app, writer app, and reader app would enable me to do this myself if I had a copy of the new map

So, am I way off the mark here? Is the new map available to me? Can I install it myself? (I have the apps and cables, by the way.)

Okay, what do you think/know/suggest?

Thanks,

Stephen





Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Kev m on May 27, 2016, 09:28:41 AM
Stephen, you've got everything right!
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: zokn on May 27, 2016, 12:57:46 PM
Stephen, you've got everything right!

Great, and thanks.

So, where can I find the latest map download?

Stephen
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pete roper on May 27, 2016, 04:50:55 PM
Somebody will of skelped it off a bike with Guzzidiag by now. Ask around and someone will be able to send it to you. Mark's map is a better bet as it's open loop.

Pete
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on May 27, 2016, 05:13:16 PM
I've got 352BV738. I'll PM you a link to download it.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: zokn on May 30, 2016, 01:18:01 PM
I have successfully connected Guzzidiag V0.47 to my 2013 V7 Stone and read data. I have also successfully connected via the IAWMUIG3Reader V0.04 to download copy of my bike's original map.

But, I have been unable to write a new map to the bike using IAWMUIG3Writer V0.02. When I look for the map in the file list on the left of the selection window, neither the new map .bin file nor the .bin file I downloaded from the bike are visible. They are both on my MacBook's desktop, and I can click through the selection window's hierarchy to my desktop, where I can see lots of files, but not the maps.

As of May 31, 2016:  Success!!  I've now got the new map installed. Many thanks to Beetle for answering my PM's so promptly and helpfully.

Stephen
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on May 30, 2016, 01:39:13 PM
I also have a question.  My '13 V7 has a map from Todd at GuzziTech installed and I would like to in essence back it up and try the newer MG maps but still retain the ability to reload the Todd map.  Now I must state that the map in my bike is Todd's IP so I can't in good conscience distribute it to anybody so I won't be doing that.  Would I be able to do the backup/reinstall using guzzidiag?



 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: rbm on May 30, 2016, 02:26:55 PM
Todd sells a reflash tool in his store specifically for that purpose.  You might want to contact him to see what can be done.  Backing up his IP using other means might be against an EULA you might have signed with GT.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on May 30, 2016, 03:27:43 PM
Todd sells a reflash tool in his store specifically for that purpose.  You might want to contact him to see what can be done.  Backing up his IP using other means might be against an EULA you might have signed with GT.

I signed nothing!!  :thewife:  seriously though Todd's new tool is very cool and maybe I'd look at that but I payed for my map up front but didn't sign up for a locked in system whereby I can't test out other maps as well unless I pay for a ECU reader. 

If as you propose I may not be able to backup my bike's map so then how would I go about testing a stock or guzzidiag produced map?  Just delete the Todd one and hope for the best?  Or now I have to use the GuzziTech stuff if I want changes?  I see no issue if I keep a backup map (if possible) but do not distribute it to anyone thus keeping Todd's work safe and also keeping the info I payed for available to me.

I'll contact Todd about it and I'm also curious to see if he has updated his maps from when I got my reflash done years ago (July '14)
 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on May 30, 2016, 04:26:59 PM
I don't see how making a backup of that map with the MIUG3 reader from GuzziDiag will be an issue? As you say, if you do not share with anyone you won't be violating anything.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on May 30, 2016, 05:17:22 PM
I don't see how making a backup of that map with the MIUG3 reader from GuzziDiag will be an issue? As you say, if you do not share with anyone you won't be violating anything.

Thanks beetle, I did email Todd to get his opinion.  I have the cables on order now so hope to be trying out maps soon.  I do have Todd's 2:2 exhaust with no lambda sensors so I'm curious to see how that affects the mapping.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on May 30, 2016, 05:45:03 PM
Don't try any factory maps without turning lambda off in the map first, otherwise you'll get a service warning.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on May 30, 2016, 05:49:18 PM
Ahh thanks for that, I'm new to this.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on May 31, 2016, 05:02:45 AM
I'm not shure about it, but I remember Tod making a lot of fuss against guzzidiag because he was anxious that people would read his maps and distribute. Or even might read them and see what he changed:-).
And it could be that in a reader from a certain version is a lock to read guzzitech maps. I'll ask it.
Normally you could read the GT map, back it up, and try something else, and after that go back to the GT map.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on May 31, 2016, 03:56:48 PM
I checked, never was build so you can download the GT map, try the guzzi map, pm me your emailaddress if you need one, and what bike it is for exactly, wet alternator?  And you can alwats use the GT map again, or get a step further and mix and match both maps to get your own.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on May 31, 2016, 08:06:54 PM
Mine's a '13 dry alt V7 Stone.  Todd got back to me and said he had no issue with me backing up the map as long as I didn't distribute it.  He also said he would update my current map for free when next I'm down in the area so I'll probably do that.  Thanks all, I don't have the cables yet but they are on order.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: miticoromi on June 16, 2016, 10:32:30 AM
Hi guys i am new starting from today and i am from Italy. I own a Moto Guzzi V7 Racer model year 2014 with oil generator. Some considerations: the maps you told for the V7 are the same for american models and european models? if not what is the risk to install an US map/software on an European model?? i am near to installing the software 352BV737 with MIU G3 Writer from Guzzidiag (thanks to Bernd) in order to eliminate bad coldstart behaviour (waiting for the OBD/USB cable) Do you have others maps modified with Tunerpro for V7 with installed aftermarket airfilter and opened exhaust with or without lambdas?
furthermore i tell you what i know, perhaps you will already know these things but i tell you however: i learned that a map is not the software.
A map is means a data table which is combined with the software. so if you install a new software like 352BV737 or other you need to do a TPS reset and a reset of the self learning parameters using Guzzidiag software. Instead if it is the same software with only modified maps, you need nothing to do.
hoping to give a little help with my little experience....
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Gunnar on June 17, 2016, 06:57:42 AM
Do you have others maps modified with Tunerpro for V7 with installed aftermarket airfilter and opened exhaust with or without lambdas?

PM Beetle, he is helping me with a map for aftermarket filter and exhaust.

Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on June 17, 2016, 07:03:21 AM
Hi guys i am new starting from today and i am from Italy. I own a Moto Guzzi V7 Racer model year 2014 with oil generator. Some considerations: the maps you told for the V7 are the same for american models and european models? if not what is the risk to install an US map/software on an European model??

If they were different they had a different number/id. And they don't. Only for japan they are different,  with the v7.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 17, 2016, 07:32:22 AM
I loaded Mark's map to my 2015 V7 Special last night.  I was thinking the stock map was fairly tolerable until riding it with the new map!  Wow, the map is so good!  The engine seems to be in a perfect state of tune now.  The difference is very noticeable. 

Although I know Beetle's map for the V7 with Mistrals/ et al, will be just as good, the way it runs now with the stock exhaust is so satisfying I may never plunk down the dosh for the Mistrals. 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pete roper on June 17, 2016, 07:53:42 AM
There are plenty of reasons to change a pipe or pipes. Making noise simply for the sake of it isn't one of them. The Heron Head smallblocks are very hard to get meaningful power increases out of, (As, incidentally, are the 8V's!). You can make them a lot more pleasant to ride but aftermarket air filters and loud pipes won't make them run better, nor will they increase your chances of a sweaty assignation with a member of the opposite sex, or the same sex if you are that way inclined.

Dave may well decide to stump up for the Mistrals, I actually think that Mistral make a bloody fine pipe and they seem to have been built with at least a little bit of thought beyond what they look like, but really? It's a lot of good money that could be spent on what really needs fixing on a V7 which is the bloody, godawful, suspension!

Pete
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 17, 2016, 08:13:15 AM
Agreed Pete.  I can already tell that a fruitier exhaust note is down the priority list.  Suspension improvements are at the top. 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: miticoromi on June 17, 2016, 11:05:47 AM
PM Beetle, he is helping me with a map for aftermarket filter and exhaust.

thanks Gunnar i will try.....do you have the modified map installed? how is it? good?
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Gunnar on June 17, 2016, 01:57:37 PM
thanks Gunnar i will try.....do you have the modified map installed? how is it? good?

In my case on the 2015 it´s work in progress, but still great improvements compared to the factory map. With a model 2014 you should be totally fine.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: miticoromi on June 17, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
In my case on the 2015 it�s work in progress, but still great improvements compared to the factory map. With a model 2014 you should be totally fine.
why with my 2014 i should be totally fine? please explain me better if you can...thanks
another question: with modified map you disable the 2 lambdas?
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Gunnar on June 17, 2016, 04:24:02 PM
why with my 2014 i should be totally fine? please explain me better if you can...thanks
another question: with modified map you disable the 2 lambdas?

It´s a different bike and different map. As far as I know my stalling issues on down hill are only experienced on V7 II. I believe that the lambdas will get ignored in a custom map, but you should confirm with the experts.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: miticoromi on June 17, 2016, 04:27:25 PM
It´s a different bike and different map. As far as I know my stalling issues on down hill are only experienced on V7 II. I believe that the lambdas will get ignored in a custom map, but you should confirm with the experts.
ok thanks clear now..no my bike hasn'y issues on downhill but only on cold start.....i send a PM to beetle hoping he will reply to me...thanks again
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Gunnar on June 17, 2016, 04:30:13 PM
You'll be in the very best hands :)
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: miticoromi on June 17, 2016, 05:00:48 PM
You'll be in the very best hands :)
here is my baby...

(http://thumb.ibb.co/funE1F/12485999_10207144232838186_5622516547195293728_o.jpg) (http://ibb.co/funE1F)
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pete roper on June 17, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
The V7-II has a variety of features like ABS and Traction Control which are controlled by the ECU. Because of this the way it interprets inputs and reacts to them is different from the earlier bikes so changes that *Work* well with the earlier models may not work or will cause different reactions in the later ones.

Pete
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: MorenoB on July 11, 2016, 04:02:33 AM
Hi everybody!

I have a oil (wet) stator V7 (MY2014- Europe) and, thanks to GuzziDiag, I just discovered that my bike has still the old "3523" map. Indeed, my bike works quite good... :-)

Is there someone around here that could send me the "new" 352BV737 map, many thanks  :thumb: 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Dofin on July 11, 2016, 08:35:37 AM
All this information is Very interesting and VERY confusing.  So very confusing when actually trying to figure out which engine and map is in a specific year?  I have a 2015 V7 stone, I am just guessing it is the wet Alt. (opposed to a DRY Alt??)  I do have the cold start issues and the 3.5-4k stagger and engine vibration in higher RPMs.

I just got my Lonelec cables and installed the Guzzidiag aps, sort of did a test run on my computer to see if I can get the cable recognized and turn on the apps.  Looks like I am ready to READ my ECU to see which map my V7 actually has installed. 

Bit rainy and hot so when its nicer I'm Going to have the bike hooked to a back up battery so I wont have to worry about running the battery down and Lap top on AC power as well.  See how it goes?

Any reason to have the engine up to operating temp before hooking up the Diagnostics? 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Yard Sale on September 01, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Are there any maps (compatible with guzzidiag/writer) for the dual throttle body 15RC small blocks? I have a Breva 750 that shows signs of being lean.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on September 01, 2016, 05:12:09 PM
Any reason to have the engine up to operating temp before hooking up the Diagnostics?


No just cold.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Dofin on September 01, 2016, 05:59:09 PM
Thanks for the engine warm up answer. 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: bobdog on September 02, 2016, 04:14:03 PM
Yes it is easy.  You need a windows PC and a USB ODB2 interface (look on ebay about $15) and the map which you can get from the guy that runs the guzzi diag page. 
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on September 26, 2016, 02:35:52 PM
I'm running beetle's V7 map for non-cat exhausts (I have a GuzziTech 2:2 Stainless Steel system installed) and am getting a bit of popping on decel.  Is there a guzzidaig parameter I could adjust to try and remove this or at least lessen the effect?  Thanks.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on September 26, 2016, 05:03:55 PM
I could just modify the map for you.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on September 26, 2016, 06:17:51 PM
I could just modify the map for you.

I suppose that could work!  Really thanks if you could do that, I had guzzidiag so thought I'd ask as I'm a novice at fuel mapping and associated stuff.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on September 26, 2016, 11:33:55 PM
Would you be so kind as to remind me which map iteration you have?
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on September 27, 2016, 12:17:31 AM
Would you be so kind as to remind me which map iteration you have?

The map I downloaded is V7-1-TB-NoCat-D152.2016.05.18.bin
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on September 27, 2016, 03:09:47 AM
I'll PM you a download link once I've modified the map.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: MorenoB on September 28, 2016, 07:34:55 AM
I'm also experiencing a bit of popping on decel, but for the moment I've tried to set the map by myself....  :wink: :bike-037:
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Zinfan on September 29, 2016, 08:16:48 PM
That new map works great beetle!  I have no more decel popping and the fueling across the rev range is fantastic, great job.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: gmic on June 28, 2017, 03:39:25 PM
Hello,

I would like to ask, maybe somebody could send me latest map for V7 stone 2014, or maybe somebody knows where I can download.

Thank you in advance
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on June 28, 2017, 05:47:43 PM
Hello,

I would like to ask, maybe somebody could send me latest map for V7 stone 2014, or maybe somebody knows where I can download.

Thank you in advance

so stock map or modified?

what v7, with single TB? alternator in oil?
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: redhawk47 on June 29, 2017, 01:09:40 AM
I have a 2016 V7II Stone, stock mufflers, etc. When running at a steady RPM and speed, usually 3500 to 4500 rpm, it feels/sounds like the engine doesn't fire every time - missing every second or two, no rhythm. I have changed the plugs and caps to NGK.
Is this a problem with the map?
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: gerryp on June 29, 2017, 07:02:08 AM
I have a 2016 V7II Stone, stock mufflers, etc. When running at a steady RPM and speed, usually 3500 to 4500 rpm, it feels/sounds like the engine doesn't fire every time - missing every second or two, no rhythm. I have changed the plugs and caps to NGK.
Is this a problem with the map?

I have a 2015 V7 Stone and with the original factory map that was the rev zone that was problematic.

my dealer had the ecu shipped to guzzi tech for a remap (guzzi Arrows - with cats) as guzzi techs map tool was not available back the.

The difference with the new map was HUGE! 

Throttle response, acceleration, smooth running, etc, etc all greatly improved, although fuel mpg down a bit from 49 - 50 to 45 - 46
but I did ride the bike a lot harder due to the improved performance.

Due to a recent  electrical issue that caused the ecu to be become corrupted I'm currently running the updated V7 guzzi factory map.

Unfortunately i lost my guzzi tech map but my dealer was able to re-flash the ecu with the updated factory map.

i must say that the updated factory map is WAY better than the original one but no where near the guzzitech one.

regards,

Gerry

I'll probably run with the updated map until the off season then decide what to do.



Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: pauldaytona on June 29, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
I would think that you paid him for a map on your bike, the ecu is smoked, so should be normal that for a small fee or free he puts the map on your bike again. And after that make a backup yourself with Guzzidiag, then you can always put it back if the dealer updates the ecu during service.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: gerryp on June 29, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
I would think that you paid him for a map on your bike, the ecu is smoked, so should be normal that for a small fee or free he puts the map on your bike again. And after that make a backup yourself with Guzzidiag, then you can always put it back if the dealer updates the ecu during service.

Well the ecu is back to functional status after the dealer re-flash.

I will contact Todd at some point but right now since the bike runs really good with the updated map I need to concentrate on some other non bike related issues. 

Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: gmic on June 29, 2017, 10:06:13 AM
I just purchase Moto Guzzi few months ago, and actually I like the look of bike, of course is not powerful but for a city ride it's nice bike. So like you understand I'm new with Moto Guzzi and I'm very appreciate what you are doing. Respect.

Answering to your question:
I have map version 3523 (dealer told me but i will check with Guzzi diag) so I think that newer is better:) I like updates:) 
To Beetle and Pauldaytona:
- Like I mentioned I'm new Guzzi fan, so do not know main differences between factory and modified map.
- And what do you mean of asking - what v7, with single TB? alternator in oil?

Vin number starts ZGULWUA0

Thanks again
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Kev m on June 29, 2017, 10:39:54 AM
- And what do you mean of asking - what v7, with single TB? alternator in oil?

Vin number starts ZGULWUA0

Thanks again

The V7 series has been around now for nearly a decade.

Through 2011 (EU/AU and some markets) or 2012 (US/NorthAmerica) with dual throttle bodies.

2012-2013 or 14 (EU/AU) and 2013-14 (US/NA) the first version of the 1TB bikes with a dry alternator, then around 2015 or so the first version of the 1TB received a new charging system and wet alternator (in engine oil)

2016 or so V7 II

2017 V7 III

Each version uses different maps.

Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: gmic on June 29, 2017, 11:02:27 AM
The V7 series has been around now for nearly a decade.

Through 2011 (EU/AU and some markets) or 2012 (US/NorthAmerica) with dual throttle bodies.

2012-2013 or 14 (EU/AU) and 2013-14 (US/NA) the first version of the 1TB bikes with a dry alternator, then around 2015 or so the first version of the 1TB received a new charging system and wet alternator (in engine oil)

2016 or so V7 II

2017 V7 III

Each version uses different maps.

Should I take off cover of alternator to see if it's wet or dry?
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: malik on June 29, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
You have a 2014 Stone, right? That has a dry alternator.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Kev m on June 29, 2017, 12:06:55 PM
Should I take off cover of alternator to see if it's wet or dry?
No, like Malik said you can probably tell by the year. But if in doubt it's pretty obvious. If it's a plastic cover with some room to breath then it's dry. If it's sealed to the motor (and I'm presuming then metal but I don't know for sure), then it's wet.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: gmic on June 29, 2017, 02:29:17 PM
I figured out that I have 1TB bike with a wet (oil) alternator.

Just needed to check label on ECU. I have number CM228304 so it means alternator in oil. And if number CM228301 it means dry alternator.
I got this helpful information from GuzziDiag team, hope it will help for somebody in future.

To beetle what are the benefits of modified MAP?



 


Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on June 29, 2017, 03:46:15 PM
You sure it's 3523? Maybe 352B? What's the last 3 digits? That will tell me something.

Benefits of a modified map?  That's a very subjective question. I always say that if you're happy with the way it runs, leave it alone. If you have cold start issues, or hunting on a steady throttle, surging or flat spots, then consider a re map. If none of that is happening, or it doesn't bother you, leave it.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: KenB on July 01, 2018, 10:58:56 PM
Sorry to resurrect an old thread...but I have the same question that others had before.

I recently bought a 2014 V7 Stone (stock exhaust) that still has the original factory map.  The text file produced by reading it with GuzziDiag says:
Drawing: CM228301   
Hardware: 38M3G3HW304
Omologation: E14   
Software: 3523V702   
Tester:           
Date: 2013.03.15

I would like to update to the modified factory map.  There are no dealers within 3 hours of me.  Where can I get a copy of the later map?

Thanks!
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Kev m on July 02, 2018, 05:42:38 AM
Pm Jas67, if memory serves he downloaded it and saved it just last month. I know he sent it to someone else on here around that time too.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: jas67 on July 02, 2018, 09:04:55 PM
Pm Jas67, if memory serves he downloaded it and saved it just last month. I know he sent it to someone else on here around that time too.

Pm received and replied to.

Here is a link to download it if anyone else wants it:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nN-gsz18HUXd9_rOwMevsvr-8KS7z8Vp (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nN-gsz18HUXd9_rOwMevsvr-8KS7z8Vp)
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Diablo_PL on September 07, 2018, 01:55:34 PM
hi,
I am new here, positively surprised with mass of usefull info and shared experience. Hope I will be able to add value to this community in the future...Now, need some help with my V7 II Racer.
Cold start issues, hunting on a steady throttle, stalling. I would like to try modified map. Currently in ECU I have the following:
CM228306
38M3G3HW309
4533V795
E15
2016.01.27
Any chance to find cure and create new/modified map? Appreciate your help.
Regards from Poland!

Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: usedtobefast on September 07, 2018, 06:57:20 PM
hi,
I am new here, positively surprised with mass of usefull info and shared experience. Hope I will be able to add value to this community in the future...Now, need some help with my V7 II Racer.
Cold start issues, hunting on a steady throttle, stalling. I would like to try modified map. Currently in ECU I have the following:
CM228306
38M3G3HW309
4533V795
E15
2016.01.27
Any chance to find cure and create new/modified map? Appreciate your help.
Regards from Poland!

Look up guzzidiag (posts on here on how to get cables and connect a laptop to your Guzzi).  Software is free (but a donation would be nice), cables are around $50 (2 needed). 
Then go to https://www.griso.org/  and click on "V7 Maps" and pick the one that matches your bike best.  ($100 for a map)

You will end up with a very nice running V7!   :grin:



Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: OlofE on September 08, 2018, 12:38:49 PM
I have an early V7iii which runs fine on the factory map (much better than the V7ii), but tends to cut out below 2000 rpm. Has there been any V7iii factory map updates at all, or is there only one?
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: Diablo_PL on September 09, 2018, 03:32:54 PM
Doskonale!It means perfect in polish :) This describes my V7 II Racer after map update. No cold start issues (stalling/coughing/no reaction on throttle...). Bike reacts immediately, there are no lags, I can control accel very precisely, it is repeatable and predictable. Really, I feel, I have totally different machine, better one, of course.
Thanks a lot for guidelines, many positive PM I received. BTW- attached pic is my V7… 
(https://thumb.ibb.co/kGSvC9/IMG_20180624_170737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kGSvC9)

Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: OlofE on September 18, 2018, 12:23:54 AM
Nothing on V7iii map updates? Have there been any?   
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: malik on September 18, 2018, 03:53:02 PM
Check out the available maps for the V7 III on www.griso.org. Now may be a good time to get a good one or be a test mule for variations - beetle's laid up for a few weeks after loosing an argument with a pot hole and is likely to have time on his hands, while keeping weight off his healing leg & ribs.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on September 18, 2018, 09:20:57 PM
Mal, V7-III maps not available to the public yet.

Olof, email me.



Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: malik on September 19, 2018, 05:08:34 AM
My apologies for not getting it right.
Title: Re: V7 Maps
Post by: beetle on September 19, 2018, 06:49:36 AM
No harm, no foul.  :thumb: