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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: HardAspie on February 09, 2016, 10:29:29 PM
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. . . I blew back into town in the middle of a war.
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. . . I blew back into town in the middle of a war.
seasonal skirmishes.
just wait until October/November !
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No worries Carolyn , we apparently have been invaded by Mrs Browns Kindergarden class :evil:
Dusty
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Well, hell. Ya have to repel invaders.
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Some people really make a mountain out of a molehill.
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Well, hell. Ya have to repel invaders.
Yeah , check back tomorrow , the kindergardeners will most likely be gone .
Dusty
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Good deal.
Catcha later.
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Class.........Class .................SH UT UP! thank you.
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. . . I blew back into town in the middle of a war.
Cool to see you back. Hope the family problems are sorted.
Any further ahead on the bike?
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Cool to see you back. Hope the family problems are sorted.
Any further ahead on the bike?
Yeah , welcome back Carolyn , was just thinking about you .
Dusty
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Forums are funny things.
If I felt that:-
a) the forum didn't address the things I was interested in
b) full of people I had little in common with
c) going in a direction I didn't like
.... I wouldn't frequent it :shocked:
Hang in there boys and girls .... and Mods - keep doing what your doing as I suspect you get it more right than wrong :thumb:
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Well, here is my thinking on the bike.
I have had time to think, a lot. I mentioned early on that money is for me a huge issue. Even in the passion driven realm of motorcycling the bottom line is the bottom line. No matter how I feel about a bike, if I cannot afford to operate it then it is not a vehicle; it is a costly lawn ornament needing to be insured. I have had to rule out the V7. I simply have not been sufficiently well paid during my :career" as to have the funding to buy and then operate one.
During these months of personal turmoil I've been on hold, and still am. in regards a motorcycle. I've been trying to find one that I can both buy and ride within my budget. I want a bike that will orbit me as opposed to one that I would have to orbit. This has been a long process as I have pondered one motorcycle after another. It is a helluva thing to be looking at motorcycles with an attitude of, "Yeah, I suppose I could live with that." But I think I have finally found the bike. Curiously the nearest dealer is also a Guzzi dealer! The bike Currently chosen - as I accrue the funds needed to buy it cash I will have to venture to the dealer and check them out up close - is so different that I fear that all of you may laugh.
But, tellya wot; despite the humble nature of the bike this is one about which I am not thinking merely that it will do. I actually like this one and have good feelings. I am hoping to check it out and perhaps make the buy some time next month.
Anyone wanna know what it is?
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Absolutely. What are you thinking?
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Thank you!
This will probably be shocking since I began my motorcycle quest with the MG V7. But actually this bike comes by way of the same needs that I outlined here so long ago. I need very low overall cost. I would rather ride a motorized bicycle than sit and look wistfully at a wonderful bike that I lack the money to ride. So I need longevity and low purchase price to amortize that cost over many miles. I need stone axe simplicity so I might be able to maintain it myself, and so that when i reach the end of my ability shop service will not be so costly as to park the bike.
I actually need little need for speed. I got over that decades ago. I like smaller highways the best no matter what i am riding. My Honda Reflex scooter had sufficient speed to get me out of the Verde Valley and on my way. Hmmmm... And the winner is:
S-Y-M Wolf Classic 150. Owners love them and report great reliability and long life. Service is very cheap. Decent dealer network and good parts availability. Should be easy for me to take over any usual service soon as warranty is out. And 266 lb wet means that it ought be capable of being ridden down decent dirt roads even by a 62 year old hag with no dirt bike experience: at 10 - 20 MPH. And new with 2 year warranty $3,000! That means that I can soon use it to get me to town and begin the "treatment plan" my dentist has been advising me for some time.
Then there is this. My first bike was a Honda CB 100. it taught me motorcycling and got me hooked. I loved that bike but traded for a CB 350G to get some freeway capability. Well, take that 100 and give it (marginal) freeway capability, a ceramic coated cylinder, electric start, more electricity and an H4 headlamp, two piston front disc, a tachometer and trip odometer...and that is the Wolf. I am actually feeling good about this, and intend to take that little machine well beyond state lines.
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Carolyn.. have a look at this thread..
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=81480.0
That would put you on a 250 with highway capability for even less money.. I would be seriously tempted if I were in the market.
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Thank you!
That is indeed a bike that I will check out further if I see the Wolf and determine that for any reason it will not do. Yes. In any case...minimalism will be my way.
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Laura,
I've also read good things about the Wolf, owners seem to be quite happy with them.
Also, Take a good look at the Suzuki TU250x. It has great classic styling along the lines of the Sym Wolf, but, another 100cc, for better torque. It's still a single, and should be just as easy to service as the Sym Wolf. It is also fuel injected, which is a big plus in my book. With the way bikes are languishing in dealer showrooms, you might even be able to find a left over in the same price range as the Wolf.
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Class.........Class .................SH UT UP!
Yes, Sister Mary Elephant...
Spud
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Gotta make a three subject reply:
1. Dang! You good folks know of Blazing Saddles and Cheech and Chong! No wonder I am comfortable here!
2. Thanks for all the thinking of tinybikes. If for any reason I bail on the Wolf then the others are lined up.
3. Actually my name is Laura, but Carolyn is a pretty name and is okay with me! Call me anything but late for dinner!
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Sorry about that Caro.. er Laura , as has been pointed out recently , I am old , very old ...so old
Anyway , we don't care what kind of bike you buy , as long as it makes you happy . Stick around , grownups are always welcome on WG .
Dusty
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Thanks!
I like it here. Nice people only slightly passionate about motorcycles, and riding and wrenching them.
Hey, that getting old thing, one day I lost attention of my surroundings and the next thing I knew I was 62. I still fail to comprehend.
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I see a couple a things goin' on:
Attitudes - Winter, seems to be happening almost annually anymore.
Volume - A general diminished presence on all the forums/boards... whatever, to which I subscribe. I read something in WSJ a couple weeks back remarking on just this. The slight though noticeable turning away from electronic society by many Americans. Seems folks feel overdrawn by the creeping commitments.
It seems the lessened presence of "regulars" allows a significant concentration of electronic tools for the lack of dilution.
Todd.
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Hey, SYMs are pretty cool!
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Thanks for positive feedback!
I think the Wolf with: a rack and a small lockdown boot to stow gear in, a throttle lock cruise control, crash bar with cruising pegs, throw over saddlebags will make a nice pocket cruiser adaptable for mulltirole use. I like the $$$ for the bike because I will need accessories and gear. Gotta budget everything. Wolf owners seem to be nearly as fanatical as Guzzi riders and also they rack up some miles. Yeah! Miles!
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Gotta make a three subject reply:
1. Dang! You good folks know of Blazing Saddles and Cheech and Chong! No wonder I am comfortable here!
2. Thanks for all the thinking of tinybikes. If for any reason I bail on the Wolf then the others are lined up.
3. Actually my name is Laura, but Carolyn is a pretty name and is okay with me! Call me anything but late for dinner!
Her name was McGill, and she called herself Lil,
But everyone knew her as Nancy...
OR
ND - "Why, that's nothing but a two-bit ring from a JackerCrax box!"
RR - "Not to Melanie Haber" -
ND - "Melanie Haber?"
RR - "Audrey Farber..."
ND - "Audrey Farber?!?"
RR - "What about Bettie Jo Bialowski?!?"
Organ crashes - voice heard in thought:
ND - Bettie Jo Bialowski - I hadn't heard that name since college; everyone knew her as Nancy...
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:1:
I rode my cousin's TU250X for the day a couple months ago and was positively charmed by it!!! Surprising grunt from a 250 single. And fuel injection is the very best :)
The Wolf seems super fun, too... and I really want to try one out one day just for kicks. Only thing being, it seems like it'd have a heck of a time keeping up with the flow of traffic on anything but urban streets peppered with stoplights.
In any case, kudos to you for being real about what you can afford and what is important to you on your machine. You've got our support!
:bike-037:
Laura,
I've also read good things about the Wolf, owners seem to be quite happy with them.
Also, Take a good look at the Suzuki TU250x. It has great classic styling along the lines of the Sym Wolf, but, another 100cc, for better torque. It's still a single, and should be just as easy to service as the Sym Wolf. It is also fuel injected, which is a big plus in my book. With the way bikes are languishing in dealer showrooms, you might even be able to find a left over in the same price range as the Wolf.
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Thank you for support.
I am guessing that I will have far more fun with a Wolf that I can afford to own and operate than with anything becoming insured lawn art for lack of funds. I watch as the dollars accrue and dream. Soon now I think.
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Any bike you can own and ride is far superior to all others.
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Any bike you can own and ride is far superior to all others.
:1: X 1000
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I rode my cousin's TU250X for the day a couple months ago and was positively charmed by it!!! Surprising grunt from a 250 single. And fuel injection is the very best :)
The Wolf seems super fun, too... and I really want to try one out one day just for kicks. Only thing being, it seems like it'd have a heck of a time keeping up with the flow of traffic on anything but urban streets peppered with stoplights.
In any case, kudos to you for being real about what you can afford and what you is important to you on your machine. You've got our support!
:bike-037:
I kinda figured Gussistas would get it!
Any bike you can own and ride is far superior to all others.
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Gotta make a three subject reply:
1. Dang! You good folks know of Blazing Saddles and Cheech and Chong! No wonder I am comfortable here!
2. Thanks for all the thinking of tinybikes. If for any reason I bail on the Wolf then the others are lined up.
3. Actually my name is Laura, but Carolyn is a pretty name and is okay with me! Call me anything but late for dinner!
and Firesign Theater and Monty Python with some Hunter Thompson on the side
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I am ever more impressed with Guzzi People. Deep knowledge and wonderful taste. I bow humbly.
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I am ever more impressed with Guzzi People. Deep knowledge and wonderful taste. I bow humbly.
Obviously you don't really know us yet :evil: I'm pretty sure you are one of us already .
Dusty
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:bike-037: Probably so in both regards. But bear in mind that you don't really know me yet either. :evil:
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Laura, what do you think about maybe a used California? There is a guy on the forum that is thinkin' about selling one for $2000....
That being said, there are a lot of good bikes and a Wolf is probably fine have never seen one myself.
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Laura, what do you think about maybe a used California? There is a guy on the forum that is thinkin' about selling one for $2000....
That being said, there are a lot of good bikes and a Wolf is probably fine have never seen one myself.
Early on in my motorcycle quest I strongly pondered used. But after a life time of used vehicles I have a fear. What has happened tp me far to many times is that the used vehicle is a great bunch of small and perhaps not so small problems on wheels to be rolled about. All too often I have to go into a place that I just was to repair a thing that was not obviously inop and was working well when I was there. It gets frustrating and costly as these nickles and dimes add up. I really want a thing with no miles on it, I get to break it in, and a warranty this time. This will be my only motor vehiccle, not a hobby. Downtime is not a good thing.
And, my quest has been a long one. I am happy with settling on the Wolf...unless in the flesh something tells me no. But
Thank you!
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I think before you close on the Wolf, as someone has already suggested, take a look at the Suzuki TU250. They didn't sell too well, and there may be some left overs at a really good price. Whatever you do, you sound like someone who is hell bent on finding a bike that fits your financial and needs panorama. Good luck, and let us know your final selection. More importantly, keep us apprised on how your choice works out for you. Your writing is concise and to the point. I think we'd all enjoy updates!
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Gotcha. That is cool understand totally!
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I think before you close on the Wolf, as someone has already suggested, take a look at the Suzuki TU250. They didn't sell too well, and there may be some left overs at a really good price. Whatever you do, you sound like someone who is hell bent on finding a bike that fits your financial and needs panorama. Good luck, and let us know your final selection. More importantly, keep us apprised on how your choice works out for you. Your writing is concise and to the point. I think we'd all enjoy updates!
Will do. there are dealers for all Japanese marques in Prescott along with the SYM / Moto Guzzi shop.
And yeah I am hell bent on the practical aspects. I will be candid, my total income will be $795 per month. Doesn't go far. And I want to do more than own the bike: I want to run a horrendous amount of gasoline through it getting inn some wandering about that I have not been able to do since about 1984. And My dentist has been telling me for years that I need some strange thing called a "Treatment Plan", sounds nasty! I don't want to orbit my bike; I want it to orbit me. Gotta be a smaller bike than dreams unconstrained by reality had me thinking. But I think I will be happy. Lotsa miles aboard a 150 sound okay to me,
One strange thing about me is that I am Aspergian. I operate in reverse. It seems to me after decades of observing people that most of them can learn to deal with whatever it is that they have fallen in love with. Me, I can fall in love with whatever fits organically my needs. Boy, am I hoping this will be good. I think so.
I figured you would! Motorcycling and applied logic.
Gotcha. That is cool understand totally!
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In the words of Stephen Stills
"Love the one you're with"
Dusty
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In the words of Stephen Stills
"Love the one you're with"
Dusty
That is one secret to happiness. I plan to do just that.
Ya kno...people have more than once enquired as to the comfort of some vehicle that I may own at the moment. I say that to me comfort is that I trust it to get me there and back with breaking neither itself nor my bank account. I think the same for performance. performance it that it runs. I think the Wolfie will accomplish that.
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That's a fine looking motorbike! Unlike much of the insectoid looking plastic-clad bikes being made today.
Like our beloved V7's, it looks like a proper motorbike!
(http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/08_20120308_RGS_5832.jpg)
So, what colors are current available, and which one will you choose?
(https://www.beachscooter.com/uploads/tmp/4ed531cfd92d81d930e18b3aed33d6a71aed8c15.jpg)
(http://moto.zombdrive.com/images/sym-wolf-125-classic-4.jpg)
(http://www.carolinafunmachines.com/SiteImages/m%20sym%20wolf%20classic%20midnight%20black.jpg)
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That's a fine looking motorbike! Unlike much of the insectoid looking plastic-clad bikes being made today.
Like our beloved V7's, it looks like a proper motorbike!
(http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/08_20120308_RGS_5832.jpg)
So, what colors are current available, and which one will you choose? They all look cool, but, the black one with the red frame stands out.
(https://www.beachscooter.com/uploads/tmp/4ed531cfd92d81d930e18b3aed33d6a71aed8c15.jpg)
(http://moto.zombdrive.com/images/sym-wolf-125-classic-4.jpg)
http://www.carolinafunmachines.com/SiteImages/m%20sym%20wolf%20classic%20midnight%20black.jpg
Thank you! It looks good to my sensibilities too. And I looove that neither I nor a dealer will have to get through a protective tupperware coating to adjust the valves. I like it! My sort of tech. And. . .
. . . my first bike, the one that taught me of motorcycling and made me fall in love with that activity was the Honda CB 100 that this is a direct descent of. I like that connexion. I may veto this yet, if when I get to meet one in person, but at them moment both mind and soul like this one.
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I found SYMs all over Taiwan, often overloaded (as family transportation) and often going up Impossible-seeming grades. I was so impressed I wanted to export one back to the US. I'll be very interested in hearing how you like yours. Good luck making it happen!
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I found SYMs all over Taiwan, often overloaded (as family transportation) and often going up Impossible-seeming grades. I was so impressed I wanted to export one back to the US. I'll be very interested in hearing how you like yours. Good luck making it happen!
Thank you, Moto! I plan on doing precisely that.
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Verde Valley, huh? Just moved my mother back east from Clarkdale last week. I visited the MG shop when it was a hot rod Guzzi shop-Encore Fabrication. Great place, still have the T-shirt :thumb:
You have so many miles of great roads out there.
As to used bikes-your point is well-taken. I love used bikes and own four, but my fall-back bike is my '06 Buell when the older ones get crotchety. I do like the fact I can buy used for little or less but I also enjoy wrenching.
Hopefully the 150 can make it up Mingus Mountain with little effort.
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Hey Petrus Rocks! Thank you for good info on the Guzzzi . SYM shop. I am feeling ever better.
Yeah, old stuff. Personally, I would love to have an older bike, even as my only ride, but only if I had the cashola, the place to work, and the time to fully rebuild it. I mean that my old bikes were reliable, I see no reason that an oldie rebuilt to an every gasket every seal every bearing sort of status would not be good now. But that sort of thing always ends up busting all sorts of budgets including at least money and time. My money is limited, and honestly, I want to get riding, not wrenching, soon.
I think it will ascent Mingus okay. I base this on experience with a Honda NSX 250 Reflex scooter. The scooter was not a powerhouse, but was usable on Mingus.
Scooter claimed crankshaft HP: 19.2 (-) belt loss (varies between 25 and 50% will take as 30% constant) = 13.44 remaining (-) 1 HP loss in final drive = 12.44 @ real wheel. Note that I do not assume the variator keeps engine at peak power (either torque or HP RPM because it is not a computer controlled system capable or multivariate analysis. Scooter wet weight 420 lb + 180 lb for me and gear and whatever = 600 lb / 12.44 lb = 48.23 lb / HP.
Wolf claimed engine HP (do not know if at crank or countershaft as this is an ntegrated engine. Will assume at crank) 15 - 1 in trans = 14 remaining (-) 1 in chain (guesstimate based on HP loss in superbike chain) = 13 @ rear wheel. Wolf wet weight = 266 lb + 180 per above = 446 ln / 13 = 34.31 lb / HP.
Numbers look good, and the Wolf will allow me to choose a gear to operate in.
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Nice looking machine Aspie. :thumb:
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Nice looking machine Aspie. :thumb:
Thank you!
Ha! The Social Insecurity accrues. Each day is a day nearer!
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The Wolf is a beautiful motorcycle! Can picture you riding from Prescott to Jerome on 89!
Bob
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Hoo Boy! Can I! I have been thinking of all the places I have not been to in decades or perhaps ever due to lack of confluence of a working vehicle and time. Oak Creek Canyon is but 18 miles north of me. And there is so much more here. I may be meshugge, but fully intend to cross state lines in search of adventure with the tiny thing. And I like its weight...for 10 - 20 mph trundles on decent dirt roads, of which Aridzona has many, I think it will do fine.