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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: donp71 on February 19, 2016, 06:21:54 AM
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G'day all.
After a little break from Guzzi ownership (previously owned Griso 8V and Le Mans MK 5) I've been bitten by the bug again and will be picking up a second hand Breva 1200 in early March with around 20,000ks on it.
As the bike will be due for a service and a good general checkover and set up not long after I pick it up, I would be grateful if anyone with a Breva 1200, Norge 1200 2V or 1200 Sport 2 V could give me some tips on things to look out for, or that will need a closer look at service time please. Looking to get it serviced too in SE Queensland, Australia.
Thanks and kind regards
Don
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I can't remember, but is the Breva 1200 an 8 valve or a 4 valve engine?
If 8 valve read everything you can about rollerising and flat tappet failure so you can make an informed decision before you pull the trigger
Unfortunately the man to guide you (he's an Aussie) as he knows a great deal about the 8V issues is taking a sabbatical from the forum at the moment
For what its worth, I bought by 2005 1100 (4 valver) in October last year and the more I ride it the more I like it :thumb:
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If its prior to 09 it will be a 2 valve. According to the manual you will need to do the following: spark plugs both inner and outer, alternator belt, airfilter, all fluids including brake, valve clearance check, and fork seals.. I just did the above on mine. It really wasn't that difficult. The manual also states cylinder synchronization but I would skip it if it ran smooth. I might be wrong on that one though
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No need to rely on any one person who harbors all knowledge, as the post above shows, others have knowledge too, the world didn't stop, is the funeral over yet?
Yes, read the manual, there is a schedule of maintenance to be performed and 20,000 ks isn't a lot for a bike, any bike. Go through the routine things.
If it has flat tappets then unless you must have it, look for another if it hasn't been converted.
Check for maintenance records. No records or receipts for parts and consumables means no maintenance unless you saw it happen or know and trust the person who is just saying they did it.
We've been told over and over about the ease of maintenance, so this shouldn't be a big deal.
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You may want to service the swing arm bearings, lube the shaft splines, servive the shock link also service the steering head bearings and install the startus intruptus fix unless this has been done, also check the condition of the ground cable behind the starter( tightness)as well as what the manual calls for at this mileage. DonG
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huh? please clarify. are you saying i should have my 2v flat tappet bike rollarized??
Nothing of the sort, follow along. As with what the other person posting on this topic stated:
"If 8 valve read everything you can about rollerising and flat tappet failure so you can make an informed decision before you pull the trigger".
Nice try.
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Thanks to everyone for the answers so far. The bike is a 2V 1200 just to clarify. Also looking for service manual if anyone knows of one available for download please?
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We had around 53,000 miles (82,000km?) on our Breva 1100 when we sold it. Awesome bike.
We did the "startus interuptus" mod early on and had the valves and TB's checked every year. We also installed an aftermarket shock with a heavier spring on it because we traveled 2up almost exclusively.
Other than that.....change oil, filled with fuel and rode!
Oh.....check your sidestand bolts!
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Go to guzzitek.org/gb/ma.us.uk/1200/Norge1200 012008 Atelier(GB).pdf
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Go to guzzitek.org/gb/ma.us.uk/1200/Norge1200 012008 Atelier(GB).pdf
Thanks Huzo!
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We had around 53,000 miles (82,000km?) on our Breva 1100 when we sold it. Awesome bike.
We did the "startus interuptus" mod early on and had the valves and TB's checked every year. We also installed an aftermarket shock with a heavier spring on it because we traveled 2up almost exclusively.
Other than that.....change oil, filled with fuel and rode!
Oh.....check your sidestand bolts!
Thanks very much for the tips rdbankab, can you tell me if you can still buy the "startus interuptus" mod as a kit? Will definately get valves and TB's checked straight away.
Cheers
Don
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If its prior to 09 it will be a 2 valve. According to the manual you will need to do the following: spark plugs both inner and outer, alternator belt, airfilter, all fluids including brake, valve clearance check, and fork seals.. I just did the above on mine. It really wasn't that difficult. The manual also states cylinder synchronization but I would skip it if it ran smooth. I might be wrong on that one though
Thanks Brio!! Think I will get the TB's synced too as seems to be the done thing. Again thanks for your advice.
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You may want to service the swing arm bearings, lube the shaft splines, servive the shock link also service the steering head bearings and install the startus intruptus fix unless this has been done, also check the condition of the ground cable behind the starter( tightness)as well as what the manual calls for at this mileage. DonG
Thanks for the tips DonG, much appreciated. The ground you mentioned behind the starter, will need ti take a look to find that on the bike. Easy enough to see/get to?
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I have a B1100, essentially the same bike, less about 70cc. As you know, there is no such beast as a 8v Breva, all Breva came with 2v per cylinder.
Don't think you should need to lube the steering head, the swing arm is a good idea when you get up over 30,000k.
Super nice bike, little maintenance, download the manuals and you will be good to go. I have over 45,000k on mine, never did anything with the starter circuit, and have never had a problem. Keep a good battery in it, it is much more finicky to low voltage than the older bikes. Have fun, your gonna love it!
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ok. sure.
I have a B1100, essentially the same bike, less about 70cc. As you know, there is no such beast as a 8v Breva, all Breva came with 2v per cylinder.
:boozing:
pretty sure your post. yes yours, recommended rollerizing it. dont pass the buck.. sheesh.
That would make you 100% wrong. Don't care what you have or don't have.
"If it has flat tappets..." is what I said.
Just for you: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/if
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Geez-O-Pete , (Roper that is) , yes he is one of the leading experts on all things Guzzi . The funeral hasn't even started yet fellas .
Dusty
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and all breva's do. so id recommend you comment on things youre knowledgeable about. its a small thing to ask.
also, what you really meant is if its an 8v. which it aint. but my point is still the same. if you dont know what youre talking about... feel free not to post.
And you have no problem with this? ( Reply #1)
"If 8 valve read everything you can about rollerising and flat tappet failure so you can make an informed decision before you pull the trigger"
Posted by someone else, you have no problem with that so you are just making it personal. Got it.
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It looks like there may have been a sport 1200 8V marketed as a Breva with flat tappets in certain markets. Due to the unknown location of OP I decided to consider that in my response.
Fellas,
We are all on the same team here.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2009models/2009-MotoGuzzi-1200Sport4V.htm
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Indeed.
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/moto%20guzzi/moto_guzzi_brava%201200_8v%2009.htm
Seems a 1200 Breva 8V was marketed.
Thus, if the Breva 1200 has 8V but flat tappets, checking to make sure it has been rollered is good advice. Also, if it has been ridden for 20,000 clicks, has flat tappets it might be better to avoid it unless Pete Roper or someone else equally skilled did the conversion and before shelling out money on a bike which could cost a lot of money to fix. Alternatively,reduce the offer price in such a case to make sure you aren't left with a disaster.
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and a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day. bravo. perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprehension
OP states he owned an 8v. then listed three 2v bikes. and states them as 2v.
And you post
"if they are flat tappets... you should look elsewhere".
i dont really care about the tit for tat between you and me. it just helps showing the board your true character and your knowledge of guzzis.
There were 8V Brevas marketed. You claimed otherwise, took that to another thread too. You said
"I have a B1100, essentially the same bike, less about 70cc. As you know, there is no such beast as a 8v Breva, all Breva came with 2v per cylinder."
My knowledge?
I offered you once before, you don't post to me, I don't post to you.
You refused. Character?
All you really care about is making this personal. Congrats, you succeeded. :thewife:
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Once again , the CORRECT answer is blue , or alternatively , hotscakes :rolleyes: Another Green Acres moment , brought to you by the fine folks at Fordson tractors :evil: Why don't you guys employ the PM system , it works , trust me :rolleyes:
Dusty
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I strongly suggest using the PM system .
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All of the bickering is getting tiresome,really don't see the need for it.When I look at a thread I can determine for myself what the OP meant and if there is any confusion or uncertainty it is sensible to wait until someone else corroborates it.If I take the advise and act on it and it turns out bad I only ultimately have myself to blame-that's being a responsible adult , when I was a child I regularly blamed anyone else but myself..This is a great forum but if it was a club meeting there would be a few black eyes or people sent to bed without milk. Don't expect everyone to like each other , but best to ignore them and talk to someone else.Any incoming flack to this and my only response will be to turn the other cheek and think "Whatever...".
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NP, you are still wrong.
There was indeed a 1200 Breva. It only had a two valve engine, it never came with the 4v.
There was a 1200 Sport, it had both 2v, and 4v iterations, it was never marketed as a 1200 Breva Sport! Despite what some third party web sites referred to it as, Moto Guzzi never produced a bike called 1200 Breva Sport.
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All of the bickering is getting tiresome,really don't see the need for it. ...".
:1: the poor OP only asked for some advice about his new bike - give it a rest lads or please take it offline
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D71
If you're still stuck on the startus interuptus fix give me a shout and show you what I did
Cheers Tris
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Here is some real world advice: check your sidestand bolts. Add locktite. You are (almost) sure to lose the rear bolt if you don't.
Other than that and a fuel level sensor, mine gas been painless for 55K miles.
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All of the bickering is getting tiresome,really don't see the need for it.When I look at a thread I can determine for myself what the OP meant and if there is any confusion or uncertainty it is sensible to wait until someone else corroborates it.If I take the advise and act on it and it turns out bad I only ultimately have myself to blame-that's being a responsible adult , when I was a child I regularly blamed anyone else but myself..This is a great forum but if it was a club meeting there would be a few black eyes or people sent to bed without milk. Don't expect everyone to like each other , but best to ignore them and talk to someone else.Any incoming flack to this and my only response will be to turn the other cheek and think "Whatever...".
I'm in agreement with your comment, Markw.
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Just bumped my two favorite rallys to top of list. Let's just all calm down and plan some riding for this Spring! Hardly any bickering when we're around the campfire.
Dave
Galveston
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Hardly any bickering when we're around the campfire.
Unless Dusty burns dinner again! :evil:
Sorry my brother from another mother.
Good natured ribbing. OK
Bickering, pontificating, insults and name calling not OK.
Dave
Galveston
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Tris, can you tell me what you did for startus interruptus?
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Thank you to everyone from around the world for your advice and encouragement.
I'm very much looking forward to getting my 2008 Breva 1200 2v early next month.
Hope to also post some pics of my ride home (around 1200ks) and some of the new bike too
Cheers and hope te see some fellow Guzzi riders on the road here in Queensland Australia
Don
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Brio's post (after mine earlier), reminded me that I did do two more things.. At the time they were probably scheduled, but not needed, but I figured I'd do them anyway. The alternator belt was done...the original was in excellent shape, but I figured I better change it out and keep the original as a spare. Maybe done around the 35000 mile mark?? I followed the "how tight should the alternator belt be?" instructions found on the forum (90 degree twist). I also did the inner plugs while I had the tank off. This required a lawn mower spark plug wrench from Lowes to accomplish.
An old link to the "startus interuptus" fix.. http://mphcycles.com/starter-relay-fix-kit/ (http://mphcycles.com/starter-relay-fix-kit/)
I still love how simple that engine was, and how good it sounded with a Mistral carbon can on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5qwWZpMVOA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5qwWZpMVOA)
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Am I REALLY gonna have to delete this post? Come on guys. The senseless bickering about this is just plain stupid. Yes, I would tell you that in person too. The guy asked a simple question. If you cannot answer without trying to prove who knows the most/least and dropping personal insults and taking everything out of complete context, I will delete the thread so fast your head will spin.
Let's play nice please.
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Have fun with your Breva 1200, it's going to be a blast to ride!
As for the rest of you complaining about a few of us bickering, give it a rest. It's February, what else are we supposed to do, talk about oat meal? The OP got his answers, and kindly let us have a little fun, no body got hurt.
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One more thing, when doing your inner plugs and such that requires the tank off, go ahead and check/replace fuel filter and hoses. Known issue. My half plastic filter came apart and left me stranded. Also others have had hoses come off. Parts are cheap and not hard to do, so I would recommend it for piece of mind.
Might want to search dash issues on this site also.
Good luck and my 2008 2V 1200 Sport was one of the more favorite bike I have ever ridden.
Edit to add that my steering head and swing arm bearings were bone dry, along with most other places. Seems the grease pot must have been empty when mine was built.
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Tris, can you tell me what you did for startus interruptus?
Sure
I don't like cutting into any loom if I can avoid it so wanted a "plug and play" solution that I could reverse if needs be
Secondly I wanted an ignition controlled power supply for grips, GPS etc.
So I made this
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o593/tris51/Relay.jpg) (http://s1149.photobucket.com/user/tris51/media/Relay.jpg.html)
The key bits you need for the stautus interuptus is the 2 white plugs and the red wire with the inline fuse.
The 2 white plugs are put between the existing starter relay and its plug.
There are 3 wires (I'd make these longer if I did it again) linking the 2 plugs together and the red one comes in to replace the yellow one at the relay end.
On one of the other forums it suggested using existing the now obsolete yellow as an ignition controlled supply which what I did to trigger the relay with the 3 fused circuits for the ancillaries
I hope that all makes sense
EDIT
Google "Sumitomo lock type .250 connector" for the white plugs - they're only a couple of £/$ for the pair.
It took me 4 months to track them down :shocked: :shocked:
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Since the yellow took the entire load before, it would seem that it could provide quite a bit of power for accessories (switched) perhaps degrading over time a little hence the need for the repair in the first place.
Correct?
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Dunno about that NP
However the theory behind it (I believe) is that due to the circuitous route the juice takes to get to this point the voltage can drop off to such a level that there's not enough left to pull the starter solenoid in
Doing this makes sure the starter sees the full battery voltage
Go here for the full story http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/modern-no-start-issue-solution.4908/
I feel that using the yellow wire to pull the relay in and using the same 20A inline fuse to feed the starter and the ancillaries met with my wish not to mess with the standard bike wiring too much
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Nb: When you change the final drive oil don't overtighten the breather bolt. It's made out of soft aluminum, shears easily, and costs 38 f#%@in dollars.
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Hello again all,
I'm pleased to say that the Breva 1200 2V is now safe at home, after a fly and ride back from Townsville to the Gold Coast (around 1400 kms over 2.5 days). Love this bike and looking forward to a few small additions to make it just right (pipe etc).
Again, thanks for all of the advice so far.
Cheers
Don
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Nice part of the world to ride through. Congrats.
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Hello again all,
I'm pleased to say that the Breva 1200 2V is now safe at home, after a fly and ride back from Townsville to the Gold Coast (around 1400 kms over 2.5 days). Love this bike and looking forward to a few small additions to make it just right (pipe etc).
Again, thanks for all of the advice so far.
Cheers
Don
Wishing you the same level of riding and ownership pleasure I've experienced with my 2v 1200 Sport. Had her out today for 50 or so miles. This bike is as solid as on Day One. Handles really nice on Pilot Road 3 tires, A few little items required tweaking, but at slightly over 62,000 miles, nothing major. Silly s**t, like a left cylinder valve cover gasket that blew a few times before I purchased some heavy duty ones. Of course, the startus interruptus fix once the bike started not starting. And I'll need to replace the oil pressure sensor this spring, because it sticks occasionally and causes the dash to light up in alarm (a false alarm in this case.)
A really nice all around machine. Enjoy!
Bob