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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Daleroso on February 22, 2016, 06:02:36 PM
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When we Boomers are gone will these virtues go with us? Mis-spellings & practically no punctuation from executives & other mgrs with degrees who had the authority to tell me what to do occasionally drove me nuts.I tried to get corporate to address these & was told to "let go & move on. They're not important. If the point is obvious, don worry bout it!" So I did then didn't. 1) I thanked them for their efforts showing up every day & contributing to my retirement funds which provide tires, gas, riding gear, insurance, motels/camping fees, neat restaurant food in out of the way places. Then retired & forgot about it. When I see those same things elsewhere now I just shake my head & do something motorcycling.
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UH-OH! Perfect I ain't.
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Geez pokeyjoe, you almost had him then you left the apostrophe off " 'bout" and you spelled (spelt?) "offence" wrongly, I checked everything he wrote too, and I bet I missed something myself. BTW, before anyone heaps plague and pestilence on my head from a great height, my comments are "tongue in cheek"... Whew !!!
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BTW, a few more commas and next time leave the capital off "Boomers", it's not a proper noun, but FWIW, just to be serious for a second, your point is IMO,totally valid.
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Oh, I totally agree. I *never* use a semi colon any more, forinstance. :smiley: I used to win spelling bees. Not any more. Just get it close and let auto correct get it. :rolleyes: I can't spell for carp. Not to mention teh, and every other word where you can use the finger on the opposite hand.
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Offence is completely acceptable , as is tyres . The semi colon was largely an affectation to make one seem smarter than they truly are :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Offence is completely acceptable , as is tyres . The semi colon was largely an affectation to make one seem smarter than they truly are :rolleyes:
Dusty
Absolutely Dusty, when in grad school I was taught whenever writing a thesis or white paper; always to include a semicolon in the title...never an ampersand. lol....no really
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Maybe nun off it maters as long as yew mange two express what your trying too say proply enuf fore the uther person too undarstand
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Societal evolution. Education is slanted in a different direction than when we were young. Things change (also the title of a great little movie).
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Ya ever tried to read Chaucer ? :huh:
Dusty
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Operational vocabularies are diminishing rapidly. Words that would label a concept with greater precision fail now because the audience does not know the hard chosen word at all and so the word labels nothing at all. Besides, I use an erratic number of Englishisms due to fat too much of my life spent watching BBC productions or listening to BBC World Service on SW and the fact that being autistic I am an artifice anyway and highly affected.
Pah! Language deterioration: when a ship rusts, it rusts all over.
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I think it's a generational thing. It's the message that now counts, not the punctuation and grammar. And that's fine with me, a late baby boomer.
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Oh bullshit.
As a career writer/author with a degree in English do I need to remind you all that:
1. Language is fluid and always evolving.
B. Poetic license gives authors the justification to depart from defined norms for desired purposes.
III. WRITING, has always been about revision. I would venture there's not a single, classic work of literary art that was not written, then rewritten, then revised again, usually by multiple eyes.
But simply put the proliferation, nay the exponential explosion of written media as forms of quick communication have changed all the rules.
It's not worth it to proof read texts, and barely so to proof forum posts, and only slightly more important to proof emails (directly relating to the purpose and recipients).
That doesn't mean it's a lost art or that the general public is less literate (hell, if anything the public being more exposed to written word SHOULD mean they are more literate).
It just means that expectations are rightfully changing and language is evolving with it.
And yes, at the end of the day, the entire purpose of grammar is to ensure the communication is understood. So not to be too Machiavellian (which I seem to remember is a bit of a misnomer anyway) but if U no Watt I mean, then CU L8tr and no worries, this post is no more than momentary tracks in the sands of time anyway... It's certainly not a published scholarly work, which is where I would expect the staunchest adherence to proper grammar anyway.
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Geez professor Marsh :evil:
Dusty
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Tu. tha modo sikle speshulist
I em hafing troubl wif my bikes' enjun or sumpin an cant gitit tu run i thInk id mite b tha modor sumhows kin u hulp mee!
Too tha guy wid the modor poblm
have u put tha startem up kay into tha thingie on tha bike turny part.
tU tha mody speshulest
wot kinda turny part! I put my sooda kan on tha black donut kinda
I do not want linguistic degradation to go this far. :grin:
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Geez Kev m it's refreshing to read such a beautiful piece of text. You almost got there unscathed, take out the "t" from CU L8tr and your home clear. See, the number 8 has a "t" on the end as it is,so it becomes redundant in the expression as you posted it. Please don't tell me I'm nit picking because I realised it already.
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Geez Kev m it's refreshing to read such a beautiful piece of text. You almost got there unscathed, take out the "t" from CU L8tr and your home clear. See, the number 8 has a "t" on the end as it is,so it becomes redundant in the expression as you posted it. Please don't tell me I'm nit picking because I realised it already.
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Poetic license!
I blame the rum!
And it's you're... Uhhh never mind.
YOU're right of course!!!
:boozing:
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I think spelling went all blonde with Tori.
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As the holder of a degree in English, I'm wondering if our man should tip his hat to the country where English originated and spell "license" with two "c's" and not one, licence with an "s" is the verb and "c" is the noun. Hmmmmmm.
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I aint got no problem with me grammer. BTW you wont believe what i seen taday. :evil:
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I aint got no problem with me grammer. BTW you wont believe what i seen taday. :evil:
I had meny problem with me grammer. She wuz all mean like. Wot didja seen taday?
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...or develop a sense of humour or is that humor! :grin: :grin:
I'd like to see more split infinitives, dangling participles and improper use of the subjunctive please. :grin: :grin: Just kidding of course!
Seriously though, grammar is best learned by spending a few years studying Latin - from that point on, all the "rules" of grammar will make sense, especially the difference between a direct object and an indirect object, and knowing when to use I or me as the object of a preposition (or a proposition as the case may be! :grin: )
Once you can grasp the notions of verb conjugations and noun declensions, one's mother tongue and additional languages become very easy to decipher and learn as you look for patterns, almost like assembling a Guzzi engine! :grin: :grin:
While we were studying Latin - we used to recite...Latin is a language, as dead as dead can be...first it killed Caesar and now it's killing me...but it was a LOT of fun at the same time!
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To this day I'm a poor speller and still find myself grabbing the dictionary from time to time. When that fails, I type the misspelled word into google and wait for the correction. I must admit that auto correct drives me nuts as that red squiggly line throws off my train of thought. It's especially bad for proper nouns. I keep in contact with a good friend mostly via email and half the time I just let my poor spelling ride. The message is way more important than trying to be correct. Chances are this post has some run on sentences. I just like to let my thoughts flow. Writing is our chance to say what we mean without being distracted.
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As long as everyone remembers it's RIDE SAFELY, not ride safe, I'll be happy.
Is your Guzzi a lock box for money or a condom? C'mon folks, don't ignore the adverb.
Nick
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I aint got no problem with me grammer. BTW you wont believe what i seen taday. :evil:
Hey! A Truck sighting. How they hangin? :smiley:
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...or develop a sense of humour or is that humor! :grin: :grin:
I'd like to see more split infinitives, dangling participles and improper use of the subjunctive please. :grin: :grin: Just kidding of course!
Seriously though, grammar is best learned by spending a few years studying Latin - from that point on, all the "rules" of grammar will make sense, especially the difference between a direct object and an indirect object, and knowing when to use I or me as the object of a preposition (or a proposition as the case may be! :grin: )
Once you can grasp the notions of verb conjugations and noun declensions, one's mother tongue and additional languages become very easy to decipher and learn as you look for patterns, almost like assembling a Guzzi engine! :grin: :grin:
While we were studying Latin - we used to recite...Latin is a language, as dead as dead can be...first it killed Caesar and now it's killing me...but it was a LOT of fun at the same time!
As in ......... o, s, t, mus, tis, nt, as in I, you, he/she/it, we, you, they? Man, did those nuns at Catholic High burn this into you! It's been 57 years ago, and I still recall pieces and parts of it.
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As the holder of a degree in English, I'm wondering if our man should tip his hat to the country where English originated [...]
You mean Germany and the Netherlands?
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As long as everyone remembers it's RIDE SAFELY, not ride safe, I'll be happy.
Regardless it's a colloquialism. It's a tradition.
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Regardless it's a colloquialism. It's a tradition.
True Kev, but some colloquialisms are just plain ugly; this is one of them. It's almost as annoying as the atrocious 'two times' one constantly hears on TV advertisements. Whatever happened to 'twice'? Ignorance and laziness shouldn't prevail.
Nick
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Shouldn't the subject be, "Spelling & punctuation"? :smiley:
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Shouldn't the subject be, "Spelling & punctuation"? :smiley:
You correctly omitted the period from the title, because it is not a complete sentence.
The written language changes, along with the spoken language. It is now even possible for people to write about their emotional states without using words. :cry:
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Ya'll ah buncha picky old ficks , sheesh :rolleyes:
Dusty
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That doesn't mean it's a lost art or that the general public is less literate (hell, if anything the public being more exposed to written word SHOULD mean they are more literate).
The problem is that the written word we're exposed to is our own careless jotting. Not books, newspapers, and other such relics of a forgotten past. So how do we learn to spell? Poorly, that's how. It doesn't take long to "loose" the ability, when you're constantly exposed to misspelled words.
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The problem is that the written word we're exposed to is our own careless jotting. Not books, newspapers, and other such relics of a forgotten past. So how do we learn to spell? Poorly, that's how. It doesn't take long to "loose" the ability, when you're constantly exposed to misspelled words.
Well hopefully anyone here has ALREADY LEARNED to spell.
I believe you're asking how to do be prevent the loss of the ability?
"Constant Vigilance" - J.K. Rowling
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As long as everyone remembers it's RIDE SAFELY, not ride safe, I'll be happy.
Is your Guzzi a lock box for money or a condom? C'mon folks, don't ignore the adverb.
Nick
A lot of that kind of thing goes much deeper than it seems at first. "Ride safe" contains a flat adverb. These were commonly used before the 18th century, even by famous authors, and deemed improper by 18th century grammarians (language police?) who thought that English should more closely follow the rules of Latin. When I read about this a few years ago, I found that I was much less irritated when I read them.
I do still get irritated when I receive an email that was obviously thumb-typed, with excessive abbreviations, no capitals, and no punctuation. And I can usually tell when the recipient of email I send has read it on his phone. I take the time to type a complete and thoughtful message, but receive a reply that shows the guy read only the first few sentences.
Could it be that Twitter has taught a generation of users to limit their communications to 140 characters?
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I remember getting text messages for my youngest son when he was in college that required me to find someone his age to decipher.
However one message I would receive required no help understanding.
snd mo money:-)
Ha ha...not even a Pls attached...Daddy ATM!
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A lot of that kind of thing goes much deeper than it seems at first. "Ride safe" contains a flat adverb. These were commonly used before the 18th century, even by famous authors, and deemed improper by 18th century grammarians (language police?) who thought that English should more closely follow the rules of Latin. When I read about this a few years ago, I found that I was much less irritated when I read them.
You learn something every day - thanks TJ. My complaint isn't so much about its correctness, but rather its ugliness. It has no style, no flow and no elegance. Adverbs can be awkward, but not in this case.
N
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Understood, Nick. And as in some cases above, no offense meant, but "it's" is a contraction of "it is". :wink:
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Understood, Nick. And as in some cases above, no offense meant, but "it's" is a contraction of "it is". :wink:
Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggg gggggggh......(fixed)..... :sad: Thanks.
Stick a neck out, it's going to get chopped orft. :violent1:
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Ha, it's almost impossible to learn and correctly practice all the rules of this language. I know for sure that you can find plenty of mistakes if you go through my posts. What's really bad is finding mistakes in things written by English teachers.
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Ha, it's almost impossible to learn and correctly practice all the rules of this language. I know for sure that you can find plenty of mistakes if you go through my posts. What's really bad is finding mistakes in things written by English teachers.
I just checked through the piece I'm currently writing and in 50,000 words, I'd used 'it's' about 40 times and roughly 30% of them were wrong - so many thanks for helping me pull up my socks. :thumb:
N
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(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic001/spelling_zpsrvxo1zf0.jpg)
Me flunk spelling?
Unpossible!
:wink:
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I just checked through the piece I'm currently writing and in 50,000 words, I'd used 'it's' about 40 times and roughly 30% of them were wrong - so many thanks for helping me pull up my socks. :thumb:
N
I literally do that ALL THE TIME.
Professionally I write about one LARGE book per year and have for about 2 decades give or take. I can't imagine how many of those probably made it into print!
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I posit that most people develop their facility with language before the age of ten . The speech patterns of our parents are passed down and , combined with the reading material we come in contact during those all important formative years shapes and informs our usage and spelling . Despite the best efforts of a certain high school English teacher , I have no idea how to diagram a sentence , or how to decipher Shakespeare in its original form . However , this hasn't overly limited some ability to construct a sentence that conveys at least some semblance of a rational and cognitive thought
process , disregarding the fact that many here would have grave doubts regarding my ability to execute even the most basic thought process :laugh:
Of course at times something like "that ain't gonna happen there junior" expresses a sentiment much more eloquently than a well structured bit of long winded nonsense :rolleyes:
Dusty
Edit , apparently my computer has a will of its (it's :laugh:) own . HAL , is that you ?
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When my cousin, Butt Crack, calls and says "he blowed the motor on his pickum up truck". I know what he means.
Tex
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Well hopefully anyone here has ALREADY LEARNED to spell.
Anyone here is likely an irrelevant geezer. I didn't learn to spell by adopting the prescriptions of spelling books I was obliged to study in the 3rd grade. If they still do that. I learned spelling, like everyone else does, by reading.
Garbage in, garbage out. Reading each other's junk doesn't make us illiterate, maybe the word should be sub-literate.
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Re the use of language that has become part of this thread:
I think Ayn Rand's "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology" should be required reading in high school. She presented, with great clarity, the significance of concept formation and the importance of using the correct words to convey meaning. Not a direct quote, but she wrote something like: "Nothing is more stultifying that to 'kind-of' know what you mean."
Maybe this belongs in "favorite uncelebrated book" - or whatever that thread was called.