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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bad Chad on February 23, 2016, 05:43:40 PM
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I know the haters gonna hate, but that's their problem. I am really excited about the v9. Any word on when they will grace dealer floors here in the "formerly Great nation the USA?" according to Donald Trump? :wink:
I really want to see if it fits my style and size. I love my B1100 and won't be getting rid of it, but the v9 might make a great stable mate. I'm thinking I might be letting the v65sp go to a new home not to far down the road.
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I am, too!
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I like the looks and spec of the new Guzzi, it's the first new one I have seen that I would consider buying. Spring is coming and I am going to test one when they get to the dealership.
(and despite what the Donald says I think the USA is still pretty great).
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I like that they (Piaggio) didn't simply increase the bore/stroke, but instead, redesigned the head and valve arrangement. I would think the new design would be more efficient, if only because most other mfgs use a hemi head design vs heron head.
However, I would still (for future purchase) prefer a smaller big block vs a larger small block. Come on Guzzi ..... I don't have that much riding time left on this earth. Do it ..... do a really nice big block standard that visually knocks the socks off of the new Bonneville 1200. And I don't care if you do this using an 8v or 1200 pushrod engine.
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I like that they (Piaggio) didn't simply increase the bore/stroke, but instead, redesigned the head and valve arrangement. I would think the new design would be more efficient, if only because most other mfgs use a hemi head design vs heron head.
However, I would still (for future purchase) prefer a smaller big block vs a larger small block. Come on Guzzi ..... I don't have that much riding time left on this earth. Do it ..... do a really nice big block standard that visually knocks the socks off of the new Bonneville 1200. And I don't care if you do this using an 8v or 1200 pushrod engine.
I would love to see that soon too! :1:
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I hope it comes in black so we can call Chad's "Black Bart II"
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Hate the name (Roamer) but like the looks. C'mon, Guzzi ..... figure out how to get 65hp at the crank. The bike would then compete well with the current (2001-2015) Bonnevilles.
Of course, hp isn't everything, and the V9 might be just fine as is. Sometimes I have to remember that I've ridden from Ohio to Montana and back 3 times on the old R100GS, with its stunning 58hp at the crank! And that lack of hp hasn't been a big issue for me. I suspect a Roamer might feel much like my old GS, and that would be ok with me.
I'm with you Chad ..... let's take one for a ride and draw our conclusions after the ride.
Bob
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I think Chad should make a V9SP
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Handsome looks, Guzzi V-engine setup, a few more ponies than my lovely V7, and some fresh thinking in terms of engineering. I can't wait to try one out!
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Handsome looks, Guzzi V-engine setup, a few more ponies than my lovely V7, and some fresh thinking in terms of engineering. I can't wait to try one out!
I'll say it: I don't need no stinkin 65 ponies.
Sure, I've modded my engine to get more power, but that's my business.
No fancy starship motors for me. That how BMW lost their way. All maintenance is dealership done now.
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To me it looks trim, simple, the opposite of a big bagger, reminds me of a motorcycle from the 70's and that is a good thing in my book.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/CRASH/roamer_en_zps0q7nhilc.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/CRASH/roamer_en_zps0q7nhilc.jpg.html)
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To me it looks trim, simple, the opposite of a big bagger, reminds me of a motorcycle from the 70's and that is a good thing in my book.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/CRASH/roamer_en_zps0q7nhilc.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/CRASH/roamer_en_zps0q7nhilc.jpg.html)
Agreed. :thumb: When I get mine I'm going to fit upgraded longer rear shocks and slide the forks up a bit into the triple trees 'til the top of the frame is level at rest. That should do it....until I start messing with it....oh crap. :evil:
Terry
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Agreed. :thumb: When I get mine I'm going to fit upgraded longer rear shocks and slide the forks up a bit into the triple trees 'til the top of the frame is level at rest. That should do it....until I start messing with it....oh crap. :evil:
Terry
I agree. If I were to get one (and I really like the look of the Roamer), I would need to make the frame rails horizontal. The upward slope really bugs me. :thewife:
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My only concern at this point is the seat, or lack there of! But that's a quick fix.
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There's a motorcycle show here in Hamburg this coming weekend. Piaggio will be there, so I'm hoping to get a first look at the v9. Dealers here are claiming delivery mid March, so I expect it to be at the show.
I really like it, and if I were in the market for a new bike, the Bobber would be at the top of a very short list. But I can't bring myself to part with the T3 or the Stelvio. And a third motorcycle isn't on the cards (yet). Still, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
John
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"There's a motorcycle show here in Hamburg this coming weekend. Piaggio will be there, so I'm hoping to get a first look at the v9. Dealers here are claiming delivery mid March, so I expect it to be at the show."
John, the Roamer will be there according my dealer (from the vicinity of L�neburg). He himself will attend the show at the Piaggio booth.
I will visit the show on saturday.
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WTF is Jonesing, something from the ebonics dictionary?
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I agree. If I were to get one (and I really like the look of the Roamer), I would need to make the frame rails horizontal. The upward slope really bugs me. :thewife:
Agreed, it makes it look a bit like a sportster.
I really like the redesign they did on the heads, if there's one thing I don't like about the V7 it's the hideous plastic head covers they put on it. The 2012 V7 Racer is the bike that sold me on guzzis, that whole bike is so gorgeous, but the engine on the newer V7s is so ugly that I wouldn't buy one just based on aesthetics. Call me shallow if you want, it's one of the reasons I got a B11
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Well, that´s funny! The look of the new cylinders was exactly what I found remarkably better than on the Classic / Cafe Classic. I have to admit that the plastiv covers of the ignition cables are not that beautiful but this is nothing that cannot be changed with the right paintjob.
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Oxford English Dictionary: "Jonesing: Have a fixation on; be addicted to".
Seems to come from the Jones Alley in NYC, obviously a gathering point of drug addicts...
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Agreed, it makes it look a bit like a sportster.
I really like the redesign they did on the heads, if there's one thing I don't like about the V7 it's the hideous plastic head covers they put on it. The 2012 V7 Racer is the bike that sold me on guzzis, that whole bike is so gorgeous, but the engine on the newer V7s is so ugly that I wouldn't buy one just based on aesthetics. Call me shallow if you want, it's one of the reasons I got a B11
Funny, but I don't like the look of the 2TB motor. The shape of the jugs and the size/shape of the valve covers.
I much prefer the look of the 1TB.
And please, it's not like the B11 doesn't have plastic spark plug wire covers on its valve covers too lol.
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To me it looks trim, simple, the opposite of a big bagger, reminds me of a motorcycle from the 70's and that is a good thing in my book.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/CRASH/roamer_en_zps0q7nhilc.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/CRASH/roamer_en_zps0q7nhilc.jpg.html)
Yep, I like it. Don't know why there is an aversion to a larger capacity tank within the design ethos. I suppose they just felt the lines were more important. But I think It's a good look. When compared to the market as a whole not just Guzzi-dom, I think it's original
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John, the Roamer will be there according my dealer (from the vicinity of L�neburg). He himself will attend the show at the Piaggio booth.
I will visit the show on saturday.
Thorsten, I'll be there on Sunday. So you'll be the first on this forum to see and sit on the v9. :boozing:
Viel Spass auf der Messe!
John
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Danke, John!
I will give a short account.
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Danke, John!
I will give a short account.
I am looking forward to it!
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Agreed, it makes it look a bit like a sportster.
I really like the redesign they did on the heads, if there's one thing I don't like about the V7 it's the hideous plastic head covers they put on it.
It's just the central plug wire cover. The valve cover is heavy cast aluminum.
I've owned a '10 and a '14 V7. Like 'em both, but I do like the beefier look of the 1TB engine.
Talk about plastic fantastic! Brevas are slathered with it. Including the fuel tank and the tele-lever emulators.
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Hope the mufflers give it some throat...
I'd also be interested what 'leveling' the frame rails does to the handling...
Spud
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"Roamer"...From the creative minds that brought you "Jackal" and "Stone".
Actually, Roamer makes sense!
Ralph
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My only concern at this point is the seat, or lack there of! But that's a quick fix.
I agree give me a seat that fits two people or room for a bag. It just looks dumb. I'd like to see a pic with a seat as long as an old bonneville just for comparison.
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"Roamer"...From the creative minds that brought you "Jackal" and "Stone".
Actually, Roamer makes sense!
Ralph
Ha ha, I've never owned a Moto Guzzi that didn't have a horrible name.
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Just got the new issue of Rider and see the new Triumph Street Twin and it has 53 RWHP.
It looks like the V9 will be right in the ball park.
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Just got the new issue of Rider and see the new Triumph Street Twin and it has 53 RWHP.
It looks like the V9 will be right in the ball park.
The V9 might even be a hair lighter wet, but power is supposed to be what, 55 hp at the crank, so that'll likely translate to about 45 rwhp.
Same ballpark, but maybe infield vs. outfield.
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My only concern at this point is the seat, or lack there of! But that's a quick fix.
I too am looking forward to the Roamer. As per the seat, I only ride solo these days so it doesn't bother me that it's only a one person mount. And too, it is actually something that IMHO would benefit functionally and even aesthetically built up a bit more. The seat does scream retro hipster which is all the rage right now so I understand why MG designed it that way, but I suspect it would have me screaming or at least me arse after 75 or so miles on it.
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I like the Roamer's 1.5 seat.
There is a solo/pillion combo shown in the accessories catalog.
And, there are pictures circulating of a Roamer with a V7 Classic 2-up seat on it.
So, there are options.
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Can't wait to see one with a Windjammer! :whip2:
Then it'll look like a Real Guzzi! :whip2:
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homage....
(photo credit to Malik)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/moto%20guzzi%20misc/b68a3f6e-c39c-4bd4-a0e6-10a159f350c7_zps7pqexwsf.jpg) (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/tiokimo/media/moto%20guzzi%20misc/b68a3f6e-c39c-4bd4-a0e6-10a159f350c7_zps7pqexwsf.jpg.html)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/moto%20guzzi%20misc/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Roamer_zpsdnncplfy.jpg) (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/tiokimo/media/moto%20guzzi%20misc/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Roamer_zpsdnncplfy.jpg.html)
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homage....
(photo credit to Malik)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/moto%20guzzi%20misc/b68a3f6e-c39c-4bd4-a0e6-10a159f350c7_zps7pqexwsf.jpg) (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/tiokimo/media/moto%20guzzi%20misc/b68a3f6e-c39c-4bd4-a0e6-10a159f350c7_zps7pqexwsf.jpg.html)
I like that! :thumb:
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...I'd also be interested what 'leveling' the frame rails does to the handling...
Spud
For sure it will increase the angle the U-joint would have to work through, increasing wear on the needle bearings.
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The Bobber definitely has my interest though I have to admit I know nothing about riding on fat tires. But I love the look of it, and functionally the V9 in general will suit the kind of riding I'll be doing for the next 4-5 years while raising wee ones, which is unambitious to say the least. If I'm gonna be a poser, I want to look like a poser!
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I like the Roamer's 1.5 seat.
There is a solo/pillion combo shown in the accessories catalog.
And, there are pictures circulating of a Roamer with a V7 Classic 2-up seat on it.
So, there are options.
yea, what he said!
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WTF is Jonesing, something from the ebonics dictionary?
"Jonesing" refers to an addict craving their drug of choice, beginning to suffer withdrawals symptoms, being "dope sick".
Comparable to an alcoholic with the shakes, needing another drink, to settle the nerves and keep the DTs at bay
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The V9 might even be a hair lighter wet, but power is supposed to be what, 55 hp at the crank, so that'll likely translate to about 45 rwhp.
Same ballpark, but maybe infield vs. outfield.
I'd like to ride both back to back.
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If anyone jonesing for a new V9 has a Breva 1100 or 1200 Sport and needs quick cash, please let me know. :thumb:
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I'd like to ride both back to back.
Me too...
Though I have to admit since I'm so happy with my V7 I'd probably just buy a T120 to add to the fleet.
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Me too...
Though I have to admit since I'm so happy with my V7 I'd probably just buy a T120 to add to the fleet.
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Or a Thruxton R.
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If anyone jonesing for a new V9 has a Breva 1100 or 1200 Sport and needs quick cash, please let me know. :thumb:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/5460218030.html
No excuses now. :wink:
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A very good deal, but not fantastic, and it's nearly 3000 miles away! :shocked:
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Any word on when they will grace dealer floors here in the "formerly Great nation the USA?"
Here in Italy, the official Guzzi mechanics had just completed the updating on the new bikes (a two-day course), and the bikes are expected to start being delivered to the dealers next week.
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Here in Italy, the official Guzzi mechanics had just completed the updating on the new bikes (a two-day course), and the bikes are expected to start being delivered to the dealers next week.
Hmm. I should have my new title back from the state for my Griso by then. If I traded it in on a fully kitted Roamer...Wait, what am I thinking, I just got the Griso. Must. Stop. Bad Brian! Bad Brian!
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Hmm. I should have my new title back from the state for my Griso by then. If I traded it in on a fully kitted Roamer...Wait, what am I thinking, I just got the Griso. Must. Stop. Bad Brian! Bad Brian!
Wait, isn't the Griso the "best bike you've ever owned"?
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Wait, isn't the Griso the "best bike you've ever owned"?
No that was his V7... the Griso is just an affair.
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No that was his V7... the Griso is just an affair.
Still and so true. I left the wife and kids for this Italian model that I still haven't fully decided whether I'm in the most love ever or the furthest thing from it. Spending too much money on her already just to keep her around. Having fun, though. :thumb:
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Wait, isn't the Griso the "best bike you've ever owned"?
Classic case of M.A.D.D. (Motorcycle Attention Deficit Disorder). Otherwise known as "this is the best... Oh, shiny!"
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Classic case of M.A.D.D. (Motorcycle Attention Deficit Disorder). Otherwise known as "this is the best... Oh, shiny!"
Guilty as charged. I, however, do not believe I am alone in my affliction :laugh:
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Oh-Kay - I just came back from the Hamburger Motorradtage (Hamburg motorbike days). And there she was - the Moto Guzzi V9 Bopper. And to make a start: this bike is nice.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_11_01_00_Pro_zpscancajwb.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_11_01_00_Pro_zpscancajwb.jpg.html)
On this fair a lot of nice bikes are exhibited, custom-build and normal stock bikes. The Yamaha XV950 (I think you know it as "Bolt"), the diverse Sportsters, and all the new Triumph. I can tell you the Guzzi competes easily with them all in the "looks" - department.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_11_00_45_Pro_zpscvut7wdc.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_11_00_45_Pro_zpscvut7wdc.jpg.html)
The tank looks sharp. The lines are no copy from any other bike I have seen.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_11_00_20_Pro_zps7nax2gtk.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_11_00_20_Pro_zps7nax2gtk.jpg.html)
Nice!
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_11_00_04_Pro_zpsheexhmw8.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_11_00_04_Pro_zpsheexhmw8.jpg.html)
I like the cockpit.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_10_59_46_Pro_zpszbzj52dj.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_10_59_46_Pro_zpszbzj52dj.jpg.html)
Does any other bike look that way?
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_10_59_20_Pro_zpsxc7jazyx.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_10_59_20_Pro_zpsxc7jazyx.jpg.html)
The engine in my opinion has exactly that "technical look" that seem to lack a bit at the V7. The whole bike looks very well-made.
And how do I sit on the bike? Upright, of course. Good knee angle. The knees do not touch the tank (very different from the V7) but smooth covers at the air intake pipes. Something that seems to be common at todays bikes!
A friend (drives an Electra Glide Twincam fulldresser which he uses excessively) looked at a V7 Racer and said: "This could be my second bike - but with the engine of the V9. But perhaps I should take the V9 Bopper directly..." And normally he is fan of the Sportster.
Ah - I forgot! There are ways to cozy up your living room:
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_12_48_31_Pro_zpsu2s7tnyt.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_12_48_31_Pro_zpsu2s7tnyt.jpg.html)
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Still and so true. I left the wife and kids for this Italian model that I still haven't fully decided whether I'm in the most love ever or the furthest thing from it. Spending too much money on her already just to keep her around. Having fun, though. :thumb:
That's what it's all about, after all. :smiley:
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That Bobber in silver w/red trim looks great! Much better than the yellow. It's slowly growing on me.
Randy
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I think Guzzi has modernized the lines of their bikes without compromising the "Guzzi-ness" here. This thing looks much better in natura than on pictures. It has a nice touch of customisation, and there is still the Garage Moto Guzzi - program. I like this bike. Would I swap my V7 Stone for it? No. Would I consider it if I were to buy new now? But yes!
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That's a nice table/engine art piece! I like it! :thumb:
Probably a few new parts and kits from Guzzi will be soon available, to turn the stock V9 models into a cafe, scrambler or long distance tourer. It looks real easy to take off that V9 stock tank and seat and put different ones back on. If the V7 parts fits the V9 then :thumb: :thumb:
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(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_11_01_00_Pro_zpscancajwb.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_11_01_00_Pro_zpscancajwb.jpg.html)
The tank looks sharp. The lines are no copy from any other bike I have seen.
Does any other bike look that way?
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/WP_20160227_10_59_20_Pro_zpsxc7jazyx.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/WP_20160227_10_59_20_Pro_zpsxc7jazyx.jpg.html)
Have you never seen a Vetter Hurricane?
(http://www.vintagemotorcyclesonline.com/zenphoto/albums/misc/column/X-75-1973.jpg)
(https://motorcyclephotooftheday.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/sm-rih5-16-09054.jpg)
(http://www.classicsportbikesforsale.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/1973-Triumph-X75-R-Side-550x413.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Triumph_X75_Hurricane.jpg)
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It's hard to truly do something that is both simple/clean but that hasn't been done before. Maybe that's one of the things that is so special about the Griso visually.
But the further you get from simple the easier it is to get polarizing.
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It's hard to truly do something that is both simple/clean but that hasn't been done before. Maybe that's one of the things that is so special about the Griso visually.
But the further you get from simple the easier it is to get polarizing.
Oh, I'm not complaining about Galluzzi taking inspiration from the Hurricane when designing the Bobber and Roamer. I have always loved its lines.
I think the Bobber and Roamer will sell by the container loads. Nice additions to the small block family that should have a broad appeal.
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I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm just musing on design.
I must say that I still prefer the "retro" V7 look, but I'm really warming to the Bobber.
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For the red suspenders crowd:
Note the solo + pillion seat, the luggage rack & tail bag, the side racks for carrying panniers. There are two types of panniers for the side racks, leather option shown. Oh, and the monster tank bag for your corn cob pipe and bag O tabacky.
(http://static.panorama-auto.it/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media-library/o/moto-guzzi-7-eicma-2015/14762892-1/Moto-Guzzi-7-EICMA-2015_horizontal_lancio_sezione_grande_doppio.jpg)
(http://www.tlm.nl/files/cache/2d7597e617b560b78531df58d6faf82f_f50421.JPG)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUA2V1IWEAAiEKc.jpg)
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43 years past the Triumph, I think it passes for new enough.
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Hmmm.. Dorcia would probably like that pillion seat. She hates the kick up in the back that makes her slide forward.
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Just had a thought.
Ouch.
Messy Head Stock!
Lotsa wires/cables visable going from that tank to the headlight unit. Messy looking as always. Cant any manufacturer make a standard clean looking cable management system.
I would like to see a ONE flat flex cable for control, info and one other power cable that is used for the high current load of lights, horn ...or whatever new accessories the factory or owner adds later. Thats TWO cables.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic001/X5wiring1_zpscjfqted7.jpg)
Connectors Connectors Connectors I Hate Em.
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To be honest, I forgot about the Triumph Hurricane. However there we have a plastic monoqoque, here a steel tank. And, what I like best, the concave lines. Of course, the main idea seems to be the same...
Regarding the cluttered, messy cable routing: somebody should Moto Guzzi inform about the presence of CAN-Bus.
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CAN-Bus.
Luigi and Can-Bus? Gulp. :popcorn:
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Luigi and Can-Bus? Gulp. :popcorn:
Ducati uses can-bus . Oh , wait , never mind :rolleyes:
Dusty
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First glance reminds me of my T3 with a sexed up saddle and no room for luggage.
But I already have a T3. Maybe if I ever wear it out?
Looks better than a lot of the modern plastic fantastic offerings.
Moto Guzzi's entry into the "retro" market.
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Moto Guzzi's entry into the "retro" market.
What? They've been there since the 1000S in '91/'93, '09 - present with the V7 series.
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My only issues are the "squat down in the rear" look, the single speedo gauge (a la Ducati Srambler) and no fork gaiters. This bike has a lot going for it, but I think I will stay with my V7 II.
Of course, maybe a ride would change all of that....
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Concave sided fuel tank. Is there a official or nickname for that style of tank?
Never seen anything in nature quite like it.
Maybe...
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic001/orca_tongue_by_remedy_kiua-d50mn10_zpsq6hocjus.jpg)
:laugh:
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Guilty as charged. I, however, do not believe I am alone in my affliction :laugh:
I think there are more than a few of us here. :grin:
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(http://www.tlm.nl/files/cache/2d7597e617b560b78531df58d6faf82f_f50421.JPG)
Looks like a nice touring rig. I also liked the look of the grey bike with the red checkerboard/stripe on top.
Oh no, I'm warming up to it too.
I still like the look of the V7 better.
I agree with Rocker, I think (and hope) these will be good sellers for Guzzi.
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Looks like a nice touring rig. I also liked the look of the grey bike with the red checkerboard/stripe on top.
Oh no, I'm warming up to it too.
I still like the look of the V7 better.
I agree with Rocker, I think (and hope) these will be good sellers for Guzzi.
Oddly, I actually like the look of the touring rig better than the naked bike. Wtg!!!!
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Oddly, I actually like the look of the touring rig better than the naked bike. Wtg!!!!
This is exactly the feeling I have when I look at a Sportster.
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The V9 had been inserted in the lineup of the available bikes in the Italian and UK Guzzi websites.
Curiously, the Italian website had, for the Roamer, white and yellow as available colors, the UK site instead has white and red.
http://www.motoguzzi.it/
http://uk.motoguzzi.it/
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V9 ROAMER: MOTO GUZZI'S COSMOPOLITAN CUSTOM-
Versatility has always been a key factor in the success of custom Moto Guzzis. Guzzi enthusiasts have ridden the big California as well as the small Nevada down busy city streets and, with a few modifications for luggage, on long and adventurous journeys. The new V9 Roamer picks up on the legacy of the legendary Nevada 750, still in the range, with updates, after over 20 years. Glamorous, easy, convenient and rewarding to ride, like all Moto Guzzis, the V9 Roamer is the Italian custom bike dedicated to the citizens of the world. The Piaggio Group Style Centre developed the design, with input from the PADC (Piaggio Advanced Design Center) in Pasadena (California), the birthplace of motorcycle trends that spread to the corners of the earth.
The V9 Roamer is a superb combination of a classic and essential style with high-level finishings, showing off the unique architecture of the new 850 twin-cylinder. Great care has gone into the details of the new wheel rims (19" front and 16" rear) painted in matt black and treated with a diamond-cut finish, as well as the new multi-function digital dashboard with a single circular dial. On board comfort is provided by a comfortable and relaxed riding position, which is nevertheless active and suited to getting the most out of the ride qualities of the V9 Roamer. The long padded seat, decorated with the Moto Guzzi logo stitched with grey thread has a ground clearance of just 775 mm and is combined with a raised chrome handlebar and the correct placement of the forged aluminium footrests. This triangulation thus offers all bikers riding comfort, ease of handling of the vehicle when stationary and feeling during dynamic riding.
The V9 also continues Moto Guzzi's successful tradition of keeping the overall weight to a minimum. If the V7 II and California 1400 are already among the lightest bikes in their respective segments. The V9's kerb weight of 199 kg is a true record for its class. The reduced mass, combined with the V9 Roamer's superb riding quality and great low-end torque offered by the new 850 two-cylinder, gives feeling, handling and unique riding pleasure.
The V9 Roamer is a true mid-size light motorcycle, not just for people who love and know Moto Guzzi motorcycle culture, but also for anyone who has always loved the design of custom motorcycles, but has never bought one because of the weight and poor handling of almost all models in the sector.
http://uk.motoguzzi.it/motoguzzi/UK/en/moto/custom/V9/V9-Roamer.html
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"Glamorous" :huh:
Well alrighty then , but they ain't never laid eyes on my Jackal :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Funny how Dusty zero's in on the negative. ;P
I thought this line was well written and probably true. Not a bad argument for someone to check it out if they like the genre!
V9 ROAMER: MOTO GUZZI'S COSMOPOLITAN CUSTOM-
The V9 Roamer is a true mid-size light motorcycle, not just for people who love and know Moto Guzzi motorcycle culture, but also for anyone who has always loved the design of custom motorcycles, but has never bought one because of the weight and poor handling of almost all models in the sector.
I must admit they are both growing on me... still the Bobber more.
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Funny how Dusty zero's in on the negative. ;P
I thought this line was well written and probably true. Not a bad argument for someone to check it out if they like the genre!
I must admit they are both growing on me... still the Bobber more.
Oh I like the bike just fine , it is the ad copy that cracks me up :laugh: Wait , does owning a Guzzi make me glamorous :huh: :rolleyes: Oh hell , guess this means a complete new wardrobe . <sigh>
Dusty
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I always feel glamorous while riding my Guzzis.
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I always feel glamorous while riding my Guzzis.
Maybe that's why that couple in the Corvette were eyeballing us :laugh:
Dusty
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Oh I like the bike just fine , it is the ad copy that cracks me up :laugh: Wait , does owning a Guzzi make me glamorous :huh: :rolleyes: Oh hell , guess this means a complete new wardrobe . <sigh>
Dusty
I've always considered you glamorous. :bow:
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I've always considered you glamorous. :bow:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Hey , maybe one of those fru fru men's mags will pay big bucks for my story :rolleyes:
Probably not :grin:
Dusty
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Hey , maybe one of those fru fru men's mags will pay big bucks for my story :rolleyes:
Probably not :grin:
Dusty
Maybe if it starts "I go to a small mid-western college, and I never thought this would happen to me before..."
And only if you consider "big bucks" enough for a Star Bucks Latte.
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Wait , does owning a Guzzi make me glamorous
The bike is glamorous. The rider, not necessarily.
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The bike is glamorous. The rider, not necessarily.
Dangit , I can't catch a break :laugh:
So... this is like those beer ads that show great looking women hanging around a bunch of drunk male bar patrons because they are drinking brand A beer ???
Dusty
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To wear Armani doesn't make you a model, like to wear a Speedmaster doesn't make you an astronaut.
But the objects are glamorous.
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The V9 also continues Moto Guzzi's successful tradition of keeping the overall weight to a minimum. If the V7 II and California 1400 are already among the lightest bikes in their respective segments. The V9's kerb weight of 199 kg is a true record for its class.
This definitely says that they consider the Sportster 883 and Bolt to be the class that they are gunning for with the V9.
The V9 Roamer is a true mid-size light motorcycle, not just for people who love and know Moto Guzzi motorcycle culture, but also for anyone who has always loved the design of custom motorcycles, but has never bought one because of the weight and poor handling of almost all models in the sector.
As I and others have already said, this bike is NOT aimed at us, but, it is aimed at bringing a different demographic, namely those that would otherwise be buying Sportsters and Bolts to Guzzi.
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As I and others have already said, this bike is NOT aimed at us, but, it is aimed at bringing a different demographic, namely those that would otherwise be buying Sportsters and Bolts to Guzzi.
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Not US?
OK, Not ME?
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V9 ROAMER: MOTO GUZZI'S COSMOPOLITAN CUSTOM-
http://uk.motoguzzi.it/motoguzzi/UK/en/moto/custom/V9/V9-Roamer.html
Ahem. "Cosmopolitan Custom" might be even less appealing overall than the name Roamer. Then again, the term Urban Cowboy had a nice run so who knows.
I guess Cosmo Custom sounds slightly better than Retro Hipster.
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The all new (well sorta) 2017
Moto Guzzi Retro Hipster
Warning , may cause an overwhelming desire to grow a beard and wear Buddy Holly glasses .
Dusty
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:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Not US?
OK, Not ME?
My point was that they were looking to expand their customer base. There are certainly a lot on this forum included in that "us" that it isn't aimed at. Yes, there are some here that love it, and some that it is growing on. And then there are the rest of us, some of whom will wait until there is a V9 engined model with the ergos and looks of the current V7, or, something sportier, with a frame that sits level instead the front end too high in the air with a 16" rear wheel, and either a 19" front or a fat tire. The V9 models vs. the V7 models remind me the UJM's of the early 80's, the Honda CB750 and CB900 "Custom" and the Yamaha "Special". Look at those vs. the standards of the mid 70's. The change is similar, and not a style I and some others here appreciate. But, others do, so, good for them.
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My point was that they were looking to expand their customer base. There are certainly a lot on this forum included in that "us" that it isn't aimed at. Yes, there are some here that love it, and some that it is growing on. And then there are the rest of us, some of whom will wait until there is a V9 engined model with the ergos and looks of the current V7, or, something sportier, with a frame that sits level instead the front end too high in the air with a 16" rear wheel, and either a 19" front or a fat tire. The V9 models vs. the V7 models remind me the UJM's of the early 80's, the Honda CB750 and CB900 "Custom" and the Yamaha "Special". Look at those vs. the standards of the mid 70's. The change is similar, and not a style I and some others here appreciate. But, others do, so, good for them.
<sigh>
My point was mostly a joke at your wording.
I got your point, and I agree it is to EXPAND their customer base.
I was just pointing it there's some overlap in the venn diagram.
And ahem, I owned a Yamaha Special... I very much understand.
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If I buy one, I'm gonna name it Cosmo. Cosmo Kramer maybe, but definitely Cosmo.
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V9's are 850cc Nevadas'...their words, not mine.
"The new V9 Roamer picks up on the legacy of the legendary Nevada 750, still in the range, with updates, after over 20 years..."
http://uk.motoguzzi.it/motoguzzi/UK/en/moto/custom/V9/V9-Roamer.html
then open the page under "Cosmopolitian Custom"...
I don't think they sold very many Nevadas', did they?
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V9's are 850cc Nevadas'...
I don't think they sold very many Nevadas', did they?
Yes. I wasn't aware this was news?
Nevada has never sold well in The USA, but apparently sells well enough in the rest of the world to keep in the lineup all these years...
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Is it just me or can anyone else see a "Street Tracker" lurking
under there. That seat's alittle longer than a Bobber's - diffrunt
Bars and ewed almost be there?
I'll never have the money for a new bike anyway but I hope
they do well.
Maurie.
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A yellow V9 Roamer had been delivered to Agostini.
So the distribution finally started.
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Moto-journalist rollout reviews should be right around the corner then.
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(http://i.imgur.com/mSX1wqO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PBKQnDr.jpg)
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Well, Agostini is just down the street. That's not much of a distribution.
I wonder if they're delivered in the crate to Agostini's, or just pushed the three or four blocks ? LOL!
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I wonder if they're delivered in the crate to Agostini's, or just pushed the three or four blocks ? LOL!
Probably ridden.
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I wonder if they're delivered in the crate to Agostini's, or just pushed the three or four blocks ? LOL!
Nothing like that at all. They are carried over piece by piece and assembled on the spot.
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They arrived as far as Rome (CheMoto dealer).
(http://www.chemoto.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/V9-ROAMER-1.jpg)
(http://www.chemoto.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/V9-ROAMER-2.jpg)
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Nothing like that at all. They are carried over piece by piece and assembled on the spot.
You mean bolts would probably be torqued, cables adjusted and joints greased!?!
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If they are on dealer floors then they must be priced? I think I read somewhere that it's only slightly above the V7, but that could be just a rumor.
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Liking what I see in the engine, (To a degree.) great gearbox, liking the new driveshaft arrangement. Couldn't care less about the styling, HATING the fact it's still in a shitty twin shock chassis with marginal suspension and is covered in poorly engineered crap to make it appeal to hipsters.
Pete
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...is covered in poorly engineered crap to make it appeal to hipsters.
Pete
What poorly engineered crap?
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is covered in poorly engineered crap to make it appeal to hipsters.
Pete
You mean like a charging system designed to charge at 15 volts?
OH WAIT, nevermind, that was the 1TB V7 with the dry alternator.
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I look at the photo's and that's one of the things I don't see. No number plates (sorry, not a fan) or leather straps. Tank. Fenders. Seat. Looks pretty clean to me.
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If they are on dealer floors then they must be priced? I think I read somewhere that it's only slightly above the V7, but that could be just a rumor.
In Italy: V7II Stone Euro 8.670,00; V7II Special Euro 9.070,00; V7II Racer Euro 10.420,00; V9 Roamer Euro 9.890,00; V9 Bobber Euro 10.190,00
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I finally looked these up, a few YouTube videos. Nice bikes, go Moto Guzzi!
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Poop. Damn thing is looking fairly nice. I'm trying to get down to two bikes, not back up to four. :tongue:
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(http://i.imgur.com/mSX1wqO.jpg)
Thanks for posting those pics, Dogwalker! The Roamer is growing on me, but I'm really digging the blacked out pipes on the yellow stone in the corner. Hope it's not just tape. If they'd put the V9 engine in that, I'd have my second Guzzi.
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What poorly engineered crap?
Sorry Mike, just me being grumpy. I was going to drop in to the importer today see if they had a couple of these in for ADR approval but other events got in the way. I just wish it was in a modern chassis.
Things like the plastic chrome headlight bling on the 'Bobber' and its stupid fat front tyre, the 19 inch wheel on the Roamer. Sorry, its just silly. why not put sensible wheels on it like the B750 from a decade ago?
Pete
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Thanks for posting those pics, Dogwalker! The Roamer is growing on me, but I'm really digging the blacked out pipes on the yellow stone in the corner. Hope it's not just tape. If they'd put the V9 engine in that, I'd have my second Guzzi.
They will next year.
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The engine and gearbox need to go into a modern version of the Ippo and a 'Nuovo NTX'. Once the dreary 'Retro' trend is consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs they could build an exciting little motorbike to compete with the small capacity offerings from the likes of Honda and Kawasaki. At the moment they seem to be aiming for the nostalgia market, which is fine but also finite.
Pete
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Thanks for posting those pics, Dogwalker! The Roamer is growing on me, but I'm really digging the blacked out pipes on the yellow stone in the corner. Hope it's not just tape.
(http://i.imgur.com/TbRNC5k.jpg)
It's a special prepared by the dealer.
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Sorry Mike, just me being grumpy. I was going to drop in to the importer today see if they had a couple of these in for ADR approval but other events got in the way. I just wish it was in a modern chassis.
Things like the plastic chrome headlight bling on the 'Bobber' and its stupid fat front tyre, the 19 inch wheel on the Roamer. Sorry, its just silly. why not put sensible wheels on it like the B750 from a decade ago?
Pete
If you are talking about the headlamp collar: this is metal.
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Ok, I still think it sucks.
Pete
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The engine and gearbox need to go into a modern version of the Ippo and a 'Nuovo NTX'. Once the dreary 'Retro' trend is consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs they could build an exciting little motorbike to compete with the small capacity offerings from the likes of Honda and Kawasaki. At the moment they seem to be aiming for the nostalgia market, which is fine but also finite.
Pete
Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be.
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Ok, I still think it sucks.
Pete
I like it. Looks good in naturam.
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(http://i.imgur.com/TbRNC5k.jpg)
It's a special prepared by the dealer.
Ahhh, I should have noted the spoked wheels. That bike looks great! Thanks again!
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The damn hipsters in the ads all look alike. Lots of hair, beard, worn black belt, rolled-up jeans and worn out boots, leather jacket, and an open face helmet with a tortured expression. "Let's ride one block to the organic coffee shop". What a joke.
Guzzi doesn't have a great track record with 1st Gen motors (not ALL). I'd personally be hesitant for that reason alone.
Keeping my V7 for now...
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Ahhh, I should have noted the spoked wheels. That bike looks great! Thanks again!
Oh, it could very well be a Stone with spoked wheels, I said a "special" in the sense of a unique piece. It's really nice to me too.
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Impressions of a Swiss dude (Owner of a Nevada and a Norge) that saw a yellow Roamer by the importer.
I've seen it live today by the Swiss importer.
Yellow roamer, arrived last night.
Put among the other V7 at the dealer, some of them being beautiful numbered special editions for the Swiss market, it rocks.
And I'm talking about the Roamer, the most "traditional" of the two.
Even greater attention to details than the V7II, that already is high for Guzzi standards.
I sat on a V7 Racer, a V7II scramblerized, a V7II Classic and the riding position of the Roamer is not worse or more sacrificed than the others. Indeed, with that beautiful large saddle, you can change position to support hamstrings and thigh bones as you want.
The ABS, marked Aprilia China in great evidence, is tiny and can fit under any seat of any Griso, dispelling the myth.
Compared to the V7II, the Roamer has beautiful footrests, beautiful attacks, beautiful commands, the single instrument is visually more beautiful of the two "clocks" of the V7II. The comparison with the Nevada is merciless.
The swing arm is finally "symmetric", there is a finger of space on the right and on the left of the tire. All in black, is visually more massive and with a more graceful forms than that of Nevada it replaces. Nice is also the cover of the bevel gear, bigger and more uniform in shape.
The engine is visually another planet, beautiful, solid compact, uniform matte black with intriguing details in brushed metal.
It stands out from the bike thanks to the shape of the tank, but at the same time gives a more "massive impression" and more balanced than the V7II, infinitely better than the pre-V7IIs. The manifolds are terrificly sized.
The alloy wheels are simply spectacular. Better than any spoken wheel ever fitted to any Guzzi, big or small block.
The side pamels, that leaves some doubt in the images, will be the part that will be more easily changed, but live they definitely are not bad, they provide a long and sleek line. Minimalist. Laterally it seems it's al reduced to make room for the view of the engine.
The V9 is' the replacement of the small block engines, the various V7, and Nevada. It's, as a level of finishing a step above the V7, that's already a beautiful product, and it's in a different category than the previous generations.
Compare it to a Big Block does not make sense. But it makes sense to say that the 1400 compared to the 1100 is what the V9 is compared to the previous small blocks. By sight and by touch, it is a quantum leap in quality.
Surrounded, at the dealer, by an Audace and a Custom, the V9 it's lighter and more streamlined but, thanks to the spectacular shape of the tank, is not a "little bike" but an agile and easy to handle bike, which can not be said of a Nevada.
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For the record, the Roamer was put into production before the Bobber. That's why we don't see Bobbers at the dealers yet.
Strange choice, at least for the Swiss market, since the importer already has bookings for about 150 samples of Bobber, much less for the Roamer.
For Bobber it will take 3-4 weeks before you see them, but the dealers already have a complete booking for the first week of road tests, and a handful of people who have bought it "on paper."
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thanks dogwalker :thumb:
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Sounds like he likes it....
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Sounds like he likes it....
He did many works on the Nevada (834cc, OSS cams...), that his wife uses, while he uses the Norge, to better adapt it to long trips ("home-Rotterdam, home-Barcellona, home-Dover, home-Amburg, home-Berlin, home-Budapest" in a day). Now is waiting to test the V9 to see if it can replace the Nevada.
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Kev,
"Surrounded, at the dealer, by an Audace and a Custom, the V9 it's lighter and more streamlined but, thanks to the spectacular shape of the tank, is not a "little bike" but an agile and easy to handle bike, which can not be said of a Nevada."
I know there are some translation issues, but I read this to mean that the V7 Roamer looks like an agile and easy to handle full sized motorcycle, while the Nevada simply looks like a "little bike".
And I agree that the Nevada's lines just don't look right. It "looks" like a small entry level cruiser, while the Roamer "looks" like a full-sized retro standard.
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I bow to Pete in all things related to tech or mechanics , but the statement that the retro market is limited may be true in OZ , however here in the states that isn't true . The market for retro here is almost unlimited , witness almost everything HD , and the success of models like the Bonneville . My best guess is the V9 series will be a hit in America and large parts of Europe .
Hipster
Dusty
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Obviously Dog and I can't seem to communicate today.
I deleted all my posts because:
1. I obviously misread the translation in the first place.
and
2. I obviously can't communicate my thoughts to Dog as he's taking everything I say another way.
and
3. It really doesn't matter.
I can't wait to see the V9 as it definitely has a number of things I like about it.
I really still hope there's some sort of combination V9 Stone that comes of all this - basically a Hemi version of my current Stone. I think that would be great.
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:thumb:
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I'd much rather have a V9 LeMans.. :smiley:
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I am growing to like the V9 more and more.
If it were mine, and if I could change it without wrecking things, I would add a full-sized, two-up saddle so two American-sized persons could actually ride on it together. (My wife is not a stick-like Italian supermodel, and I am, shall we say, "husky.") I would also see about raising the rear-end and dropping the front end to make the top tubes just beneath the tank horizontal (the way God intended :wink:).
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(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f7/f7ffd2e906b1cf8e344ff12cb78190eadefbb587ac86531cd6000a183e67911f.jpg)
"I get allergic
smelling hay"
Dusty
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Kev m, If you'd just stop puttin' dirt in his hole, things would be fine.
In all seriousness though, I was wondering what you were going on about. Nicely done on the deletions. :thumb:
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Ha ha O call it the thing I did right today (the deletions).
I think DogW knows I like him and really appreciate his contributions.
I totally misread his buddy's stuff and I couldn't explain it though I tried.
Hopefully he laughed at me.
It's all good here.
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Huh?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic001/Hank%20Kimble_zpsulrhqnl5.jpg)
Do I gotta use my new WildGuzzi Dialog Nuance Diagnostic unit, (special order), to learn whats going on here?
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic001/ouija-board_zpsfw101gdo.jpg)
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I really still hope there's some sort of combination V9 Stone that comes of all this - basically a Hemi version of my current Stone. I think that would be great.
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Is there any chance they won't? You guys would know better than me but I can't imagine why they've even kept the older engine in the other bikes except to deplete stock? The V7 line has proven to be MG's lifeboat and I don't think they'd drop the Stone/standard V7 just to send out the Roamer and Bobber alone, especially given how good a seller the previous styling continues to be. As is typical with MG, I think/hope next year they will feature the one engine across the entire V7 line. What you guys think?
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Is there any chance they won't? You guys would know better than me but I can't imagine why they've even kept the older engine in the other bikes except to deplete stock? The V7 line has proven to be MG's lifeboat and I don't think they'd drop the Stone/standard V7 just to send out the Roamer and Bobber alone, especially given how good a seller the previous styling continues to be. As is typical with MG, I think/hope next year they will feature the one engine across the entire V7 line. What you guys think?
It all depends on whether the V7 lineup continues to be a good seller along side the new V9 lineup.
If V7 sales drop significantly once the V9 is available in all markets, it will be dropped once all existing stock is sold.
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It all depends on whether the V7 lineup continues to be a good seller along side the new V9 lineup.
If V7 sales drop significantly once the V9 is available in all markets, it will be dropped once all existing stock is sold.
Reports are the V7 has been the biggest success MG has seen in at least the past decade or so that I've been riding them. There's no way they are "going away" per se. I'll eat my hat.
The only question is whether or not it continues as a Heron 750cc and I think the writing is on the wall that it PROBABLY WON'T.
But we won't know till we know.
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It is that simple: they will not be able to sell the V7 II here in Europe from 2017 on. According my dealer who was guarding the V9 in the Hamburg exhibition the frame is mostly the old one. What they would have to do is to make a version of the small block engine that is EU4 - compatible. And this is exactly what they have done with the V9 engine. So of course a V9 Stone, Special and the lot will substitute the current V7 setup. I look forward to it.
The only thing is: in the future a 35 kW (48 hp) bike has to be constructed to have exactly that power. It may not longer be a detuned version of a stronger bike. And so I can imagine that there will be a smaller version of the V9 engine, perhaps with 750 ccm, that fits the bill here.
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I'm sure this has been covered earlier but I just ask here for a quick refresher. Tell me again, other than the bigger engine and extra 7 ponies and smaller tank and different styling - what are the other differences on paper of the V9 versus the V7II?
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I'm sure this has been covered earlier but I just ask here for a quick refresher. Tell me again, other than the bigger engine and extra 7 ponies and smaller tank and different styling - what are the other differences on paper of the V9 versus the V7II?
Swing arm is wider and the bevel box is new.
Wheels: 16/19 on the Roamer. 16/16 on the Bobber.
Lower frame rail is changed. Pegs farther forward, about where they were on a Nevada, though lower.
Muffler brackets come back from the lower frame rail, instead of hanging on the rear foot peg.
New gauge package. New handlebar switchgear.
Lots of detail changes beyond the engine and bodywork...
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Moto International has pricing....arriving next month
https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-850
https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-850
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Moto International has pricing....arriving next month
https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-850
https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-850
So $11,982.96 otd for Roamer and $12,532.46 otd for Bobber. I'm gonna be the first to say that's a little shocking. Maybe it shouldn't be.
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So $11,982.96 otd for Roamer and $12,532.46 otd for Bobber. I'm gonna be the first to say that's a little shocking. Maybe it shouldn't be.
I'm gonna be the first to say thats
You can't compare OTD prices to MSRPs from other bikes.
Look at the MSRP.
It's basically Roamer $10k ($9,990) and Bobber $10.5 ($10,490) which is about market:
Ducati Scrambler $9-11.3k ($8,895-$11,295 though 3 of the 5 models are $10,495)
Bonnie Street Twin $10k ($9990) (I should add the outgoing base model was $9099-$10,999)
Though ironically the HARLEYS COME IN A HAIR CHEAPER!
883's $8.5-9k ($8,499-$8,849)
EDIT - or just compare it to current V7 prices
Stone $9k - $8,990
Scramber -$11k - $10,990
Stornello - $11.2k - $11,190
Racer - $11.2k - $11,190
If there's a surprise here it's the fact that they are both CHEAPER THAN THE V7 Scrambler/Stornello/Racer!
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Thanks for posting, Kev. That does help put it in a bit of perspective. In fact, I was wondering the price of those other bikes even as I was posting earlier.
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In Germany the price for the V7II Racer is exactly the same as for the V9 Roamer. The V7II Stornello is more expensive, the price is identical to the V9 Bopper. Stone and Special are significantly cheaper, but that makes sense as the details are not up to par with the V9 models.
So, one could say there is no price difference for models with comparable features.
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Looking at the specs is interesting. This gives credibility of 4-valve head mods yet for the 750 engine. My hopped up 650 is equal hp/less torque to the V9 but 80-90# lighter. Both have 16" rims interestingly enough. The 750 4-valve will quite easily surpass hp numbers/torque??. Problem is heads. I will grant you... it's not all about hp. This torque should feel pretty nice. I'm not a fan AT ALL with the styling. Wish they did 4-valve heads.
K
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Stone $9k - $8,990
Scramber -$11k - $10,990
Stornello - $11.2k - $11,190
Racer - $11.2k - $11,190
Also really puts the deals on left over V7 (pre II) models into perspective.
If there's a surprise here it's the fact that they are both CHEAPER THAN THE V7 Scrambler/Stornello/Racer!
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Sub 10K, is a very approperiate point. Puts it right in the hunt.
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Curious about a couple of things...if anyone knows specifics.
What exactly is missing from the current V7 engine to meet specs in 2017...in other words, how far off is it from meeting the future Euro specs?
Would it be possible for them to modify the engine a bit to do so?
Also...any idea if the V9 engine is going to run hotter than the V7...curious more about this one.
Reason being that as I go back and forth between the 2V Norge and 4V Griso...I can definitely tell the Griso runs hotter on my legs than the Norge...so wondering if that will happen as well with the V9.
Saluti!
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Paul,
I certainly don't have an answer to most of your questions and I can't imagine anyone outside the factory team who tests for compliance would as I doubt anyone has tried to tune their V7 to meet the upcoming new lower emissions standards.
My swag is that they never would have developed the V9 (especially for so relatively small a HP gain) if the V7 could realistically be bought into compliance.
Another swag is that's one if the reasons for the change in head design.
Actually it's been pretty commonplace in the industry for years to increase cubic inches on air cooled motors to help with emissions standards. They get a small bump in power along with a chance to increase volumetric efficiency and better deal with increased combustion chamber temps.
So yes, I would expect it to run a little hotter, but I'm guessing the difference won't be like the 4V vs 8V CARCs because of the relatively smaller power differences.
Of course these are all guesses and any one (or all) could prove to be total crap.
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That makes all good sense Kev...thank you. :bike-037:
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If the V9 was designed primarily to comply with emission standards that are beyond the V7 engine design, well....that just that increases the V7's appeal.
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If the V9 was designed primarily to comply with emission standards that are beyond the V7 engine design, well....that just that increases the V7's appeal.
And why should that be so?
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And why should that be so?
Because used V7s will be that much cheaper! :boozing:
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And why should that be so?
Designing an engine primarily around emission requirements will mean compromises that don't favor the rider, or the engineer.
I might be pessimistic, but I like the V7.
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Designing an engine primarily around emission requirements will mean compromises that don't favor the rider, or the engineer.
I might be pessimistic, but I like the V7.
Even though the V9 has a more efficient cylinder head design ? Honda proved a long time ago that low emissions and high specific output are compatible .
Dusty
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Even though the V9 has a more efficient cylinder head design ? Honda proved a long time ago that low emissions and high specific output are compatible .
Dusty
You mean abandoning the Heron head, which is quirky attribute of the smallblock.
In essence, BMW made these arguments in "improving" their motorcycles. They are now so improved that the owner can't work on them. It's a slippery slope I want Guzzi to avoid.
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Even though the V9 has a more efficient cylinder head design ? Honda proved a long time ago that low emissions and high specific output are compatible .
Dusty
Moto Guzzi is not like Honda (see previous thread :evil: ).
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You mean abandoning the Heron head, which is quirky attribute of the smallblock.
In essence, BMW made these arguments in "improving" their motorcycles. They are now so improved that the owner can't work on them. It's a slippery slope I want Guzzi to avoid.
Trust me , even back in the 1970's most BMW owners couldn't work on their own bikes :laugh:
Doesn't seem as though the V9 is any more complicated than the V7 , if someone can work on the V7, I'll bet they can work on a V9 . Actually , a couple of friends that own modern beemers and have been riding the marque for years claim that the new models aren't all that difficult to work on , simply a matter of learning some new skills . Like Roper says , if someone truly understands how a 1970's MC works , learning the new bikes isn't all that tough .
Dusty
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Trust me , even back in the 1970's most BMW owners couldn't work on their own bikes :laugh:
Doesn't seem as though the V9 is any more complicated than the V7 , if someone can work on the V7, I'll bet they can work on a V9 . Actually , a couple of friends that own modern beemers and have been riding the marque for years claim that the new models aren't all that difficult to work on , simply a matter of learning some new skills . Like Roper says , if someone truly understands how a 1970's MC works , learning the new bikes isn't all that tough .
Dusty
I respectfully disagree. Back in the day, many/most BMW riders did their own work. I still have my '58 R50. Tearing into its inards is a pleasure. The modern BMWs, not so much.
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Oh brother... :rolleyes:
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I respectfully disagree. Back in the day, many/most BMW riders did their own work. I still have my '58 R50. Tearing into its inards is a pleasure. The modern BMWs, not so much.
Well , and you have to "tear" into it every so often to clean the flinger plates :laugh: I will bet that any one who owns a 2015 model oilhead wouldn't experience any more real problems with a complete rebuild than with a /5 . Having worked on a 1955 R50 , it still helps to know what you are doing . AND, while owners of old beemers probably do more of their own work now , back when that old MC was new , the dealers were responsible for most of the maintenance . Folks that buy new bikes don't normally work on their own stuff , or why bother with a new bike ?
Dusty
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Oh brother... :rolleyes:
Aww c'mon Kev , we all know people don't like change , I remember the Triumph guys in 1971 grousing about the change to 5 speed transmissions <"why do you need another gear?" :laugh: The beemer guys in 1969 proclaimed the new /5 models with oil filters and chain driven cams would destroy the company , and then they whined about the loss of the kickstarter in what 1979 ? Don't get me started on the hand wringing in 1981 with the introduction of nikasil ,"Why whaddaya mean
it can't be bored , junk I tell ya , junk" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Dusty
Edit , not that there is anything wrong with loving old bikes , my screen name is after all ... :grin:
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Aww c'mon Kev , we all know people don't like change , I remember the Triumph guys in 1971 grousing about the change to 5 speed transmissions <"why do you need another gear?" :laugh: The beemer guys in 1969 proclaimed the new /5 models with oil filters and chain driven cams would destroy the company , and then they whined about the loss of the kickstarter in what 1979 ? Don't get me started on the hand wringing in 1981 with the introduction of nikasil ,"Why whaddaya mean
it can't be bored , junk I tell ya , junk" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Dusty
Edit , not that there is anything wrong with loving old bikes , my screen name is after all ... :grin:
Would you let one marry your daughter?
I thought not.
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Would you let one marry your daughter?
I thought not.
:grin: :wink:
A beemer rider ? Of course not , are you crazy , I know what those guys are like :grin:
Dusty
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Aww c'mon Kev , we all know people don't like change ,
And that's what I'm rolling my eyes at.
Like it or not change is the one constant.
And more importantly, disliking something isn't a reason to see something that isn't there (or not see something that is).
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Eye rolling? Really?
Such camaraderie.
I'll go to another forum.
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Guzzi is not Honda nor BMW, not buy a long shot, thank god!
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Eye rolling? Really?
Such camaraderie.
I'll go to another forum.
Oh puhleeze.
If friends can't disagree who can.
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Eye rolling? Really?
Such camaraderie.
I'll go to another forum.
We are just kidding bud , no need to leave .
Dusty
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14/03/16, press launch in Mandello.
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:thumb:
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Great looking bikes and I want to see one up close, but if experience tells me anything, the seats were designed for a 135 pound Italian test rider and will cause terminal monkey butt in about 15 minutes, requiring immediate replacement.
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The Triumph Street Twin lists at $8950. Too bad they didn't try match that with the V9. I plan on test riding both.
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Man, Guzzi just finished righting the motor on the V7 model, and now they've gone and tilted the whole bike back on the V9 model! Go figure. Seriously though, I hope they recreate the classic look of the V7 on a future V9 model.
Is the V9 bigger overall than the V7, or is only the engine of a larger displacement? As much as I like the V7, I fear it may be slightly undersized for me.
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Well, I am really looking forward to the V9's arrival here in my neck of the woods.......I think it's exactly what I've been looking for from Moto Guzzi. I have often regretted selling my much improved Jackal with which I enjoyed many miles with. The V9 is that (for want for better words) "simple" and straight forward machine that I've been begging for from Moto Guzzi for the last 10 years......and the V7 didn't impress me. If the V9 lights my fire I'll be reaching for the wallet for sure ! I don't need nor do I want a hosepower king and I'm convinced, at this time and point, the V9 has everything I'll need for my few last years riding that I have left. :thumb: The Kid
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Well, I am really looking forward to the V9's arrival here in my neck of the woods.......I think it's exactly what I've been looking for from Moto Guzzi. I have often regretted selling my much improved Jackal with which I enjoyed many miles with. The V9 is that (for want for better words) "simple" and straight forward machine that I've been begging for from Moto Guzzi for the last 10 years......and the V7 didn't impress me. If the V9 lights my fire I'll be reaching for the wallet for sure ! I don't need nor do I want a hosepower king and I'm convinced, at this time and point, the V9 has everything I'll need for my few last years riding that I have left. :thumb: The Kid
That's what I like to hear! Enthusiasm and good feelings! :thumb:
I am very interested, too. Although I am very happy with my Norge, one cannot have too many motorcycles (can one?). :wink:
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The Triumph Street Twin lists at $8950. Too bad they didn't try match that with the V9. I plan on test riding both.
Well, the Triumph costs the same here in Germany (but in Euros). So it is cheaper than the V9. But: the details of the bikes are up to par, with a slight lead for the Guzzi for the first time (remember I had the opportunity to compare the bikes in naturam). And the Guzzi has a shaft drive.
So if the Guzzi would be cheaper then there would be the need to scrape at the quality. I think they choose the right way in their price-finding.
If I hadn´t the V7 Stone outfitted in a way that suits me perfectly I would be in the market for the Roamer in red at once.
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Well, the Triumph costs the same here in Germany (but in Euros). So it is cheaper than the V9. But: the details of the bikes are up to par, with a slight lead for the Guzzi for the first time (remember I had the opportunity to compare the bikes in naturam). And the Guzzi has a shaft drive.
And the Street Twin is made in Thailand.
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Well, I am really looking forward to the V9's arrival here in my neck of the woods.......I think it's exactly what I've been looking for from Moto Guzzi. I have often regretted selling my much improved Jackal with which I enjoyed many miles with. The V9 is that (for want for better words) "simple" and straight forward machine that I've been begging for from Moto Guzzi for the last 10 years......and the V7 didn't impress me. If the V9 lights my fire I'll be reaching for the wallet for sure ! I don't need nor do I want a hosepower king and I'm convinced, at this time and point, the V9 has everything I'll need for my few last years riding that I have left. :thumb: The Kid
This is an interesting post.
What did you not like about the V7 that you think will be addressed by the V9?
Just curious.
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This is an interesting post.
What did you not like about the V7 that you think will be addressed by the V9?
Just curious.
My thought, exactly.
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Hey listen, I'm uh, just the messenger here, okay? This is not Sparta, right?
Newest and short MCN (UK) quick first ride and write-up. They don't exactly sound like giant fans and while I enjoy their reviews and writing, I find them mainly a squid's paradise and generally more favorable to British steel than they deserve, so no surprise here as per their overall lack of excitement per se with respect to all their ink and lauding of the new Triumphs.
Launch: Moto Guzzi V9 Bobber and Roamer first ride
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This week Moto Guzzi celebrated its 95th birthday, which is quite a milestone and it is thanks to this long history that the company is currently going through something of a resurgence. The trend for retro bikes is playing into Guzzi�s hands and as a result of the success of the V7 models, the firm has expanded its range for 2016 with the introduction of the V9 Bobber and Roamer.
Both bikes share the same basic platform, but where the Bobber (black bike in the pics) gets wide 16-inch balloon tyres, the Roamer (red) has a large 19-inch front to give it a bit more of a cruiser style. Powered by the new V9 engine, which remains air-cooled despite being Euro4 compliant, these bikes are aimed at riders wanting to progress up from the V7 models or sample a Guzzi for the first time and as such are more cruiser than retro. Which is how they ride.
Guzzi has been very keen to keep its new V9 feeling authentic to the brand�s image and that�s exactly how it feels to ride. Give it a few revs at standstill and the bike lurches to the right thanks to the torque reaction while selecting a gear is a slightly clunky affair and accelerating hard unleashes a pleasing vibration and sound as the twin pistons thump up and down. It�s a proper Guzzi motor in both character and feel and one that fans of the Italian manufacturer will love. But will they appreciate the V9 models� handling?
Let�s not beat around the bush, both V9s are quite unique when it comes to their handling. The tall and wide tyres make the Bobber drop very rapidly into a corner and then require being held down to ensure it makes it out the other side while the Roamer�s 19-inch front feels ponderous to turn and vague mid-corner. These are quirky bikes and their handling reflects this trait, which will attract some riders and put others off. Personally I could learn to live with the Bobber as I like its styling and attitude, but I�d probably avoid the Roamer as its styling does nothing for me. Others will passionately disagree with my choice but that�s what Guzzis are all about.
These aren�t mainstream bikes, but that very fact makes them appealing to a select few riders. If that sounds like you, take a test ride on one and see if the spirit of Mandello del Lario flows through your veins.
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I can't bitch about the MCN (UK) first look review. It sounds quite fair and unbiased.
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Is the V9 bigger overall than the V7, or is only the engine of a larger displacement? As much as I like the V7, I fear it may be slightly undersized for me.
Ken, how big are you?
I'm 5' 10" 225ish and I fit the V7 just fine, though there's not a lot of extra room on it lol.
Here are some stats
V7 Stone 443# wet / 31.6" seat height / 57" wheelbase / 86" overall length
V9 Bobber 440#ish wet / 30.3" seat height / 58.26" wheelbase / 83.6" overall length
The Bobber has a hair more wheelbase, but a hair less overall length and seat height than the V7.
V9 Roamer 440#ish wet / 29.5" seat height / 57.3" wheelbase / 88.1" overall length
In slight contrast Roamer BARELY has any more wheelbase (?), but a hair MORE overall length than the V7, and even less seat height than the Bobber, which means a lot less seat height than V7.
So I think all 3 are, for all intents and purposes more alike than different.
Though didn't we read that ergonomically they will have more room or am I mixing that up with the V7II?
Did an earlier post suggest for the V9 they undid the leveling of the motor and minor changes to the frame geometry that they made on the V7II (vs the earlier V7s)?
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Is the V9 bigger overall than the V7, or is only the engine of a larger displacement? As much as I like the V7, I fear it may be slightly undersized for me.
They're built on the same frame. The big difference is the change in seating position. The V9 Roamer/Bobber foot pegs are moved forward and down from what you see in the V7. V9 pegs are forward about where they are on the Nevadas, and downward because of the new lower frame rails. The V9s have a much more relaxed seating position than a V7.
So, though the bike is "the same", the detail changes could make it more comfortable for taller riders, and riders with knee problems who don't get along with the V7's tight seat/peg clearance.
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They're built on the same frame. The big difference is the change in seating position. The V9 Roamer/Bobber foot pegs are moved forward and down from what you see in the V7. V9 pegs are forward about where they are on the Nevadas, and downward because of the new lower frame rails. The V9s have a much more relaxed seating position than a V7.
So, though the bike is "the same", the detail changes could make it more comfortable for taller riders, and riders with knee problems who don't get along with the V7's tight seat/peg clearance.
I have a longish 32" inseam and am the first to bitch about any bike's lack of peg/seat distance (I present my 8V Griso as a sterling example of this pain), but with an airhawk I found the V7 perfect and much better than other standard bikes I've owned like the GT1000 and an MTS 1000DS even. The V7's pegs were in just the right place for me and I can't imagine moving them forward - again, for me personally - would result in better fit for me; rather, if anything it would likely result in less comfort on my bad lower back. But that's just one man's half cent of input. Gorgeous bikes, they clearly are.
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Ken, how big are you?
I'm 5' 10" 225ish and I fit the V7 just fine, though there's not a lot of extra room on it lol.
I'm 6' tall and 215 lb. wide, Kev. I've only briefly sat on some V7s at bike shows, so without actually riding one it's not the best way to judge if the model is a good fit.
The suspension seemed rather squishy, though, how is that working out for you?
They're built on the same frame.
Thanks, rocker59, that says a lot. I thought maybe they had started from scratch with this one, but I guess it would cost too much.
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I'm 6' tall and 215 lb. wide, Kev. I've only briefly sat on some V7s at bike shows, so without actually riding one it's not the best way to judge if the model is a good fit.
The suspension seemed rather squishy, though, how is that working out for you?
Well, fit is a very personal thing so I can't even guess if it would or would not fit you. Obviously you got some impressions sitting on them and they may have told you what you need to know.
The suspension - that's a funny question. MANY complain of it being too harsh, not squishy. I thought it was adequate if not particularly comfy, but then I come from many a Harley (especially Sportsters) so my bar may not be set all that high in the first place.
I wound up with a very lightly-used second hand set of shocks that seemed to have improved it, but I'd never mistake it for something more sophisticated. But of course, I don't need anything more sophisticated so that works out.
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I'm used to my Transalp 600, which fits me to a T, but I hanker for something with a more classic look, though I fear the generous suspension and leg room on the TA might have spoiled me.
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Ken, how big are you?
I'm 5' 10" 225ish and I fit the V7 just fine, though there's not a lot of extra room on it lol.
Here are some stats
V7 Stone 443# wet / 31.6" seat height / 57" wheelbase / 86" overall length
V9 Bobber 440#ish wet / 30.3" seat height / 58.26" wheelbase / 83.6" overall length
The Bobber has a hair more wheelbase, but a hair less overall length and seat height than the V7.
V9 Roamer 440#ish wet / 29.5" seat height / 57.3" wheelbase / 88.1" overall length
In slight contrast Roamer BARELY has any more wheelbase (?), but a hair MORE overall length than the V7, and even less seat height than the Bobber, which means a lot less seat height than V7.
So I think all 3 are, for all intents and purposes more alike than different.
Though didn't we read that ergonomically they will have more room or am I mixing that up with the V7II?
Did an earlier post suggest for the V9 they undid the leveling of the motor and minor changes to the frame geometry that they made on the V7II (vs the earlier V7s)?
Interesting that the US specs for seat height are different than EU. The EU says the Roamer has a seat height of a couple 1/32 under 31 inches (785mm), and the Bober 29 17/32 (780mm)
Thats 1.5 inches lower for the US seat than, EU, what gives?
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Well, I don't think blatant mistakes on the website would surprise anyone. But good catch, we'll know the truth soon enough.
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Kev M, I think riders look for that special.....just right for me motorcycle. Everyone has different tastes, expectations if you will. I found the V7s I rode to be "bland" and I tried 2 different years and models. I want a little more pizzazz. A more "lively" feeling in the ride with a quality appearance to the eyes to induce excitement everytime I reach for the handlebars. With the V7 I was left wanting more.....substance? I don't know how else to put it in any other words. I do know I like very much what I'm seeing and hearing about the new V9s. But, is it my crown jewel? Only a little while longer and I'll find out for sure. Hope this answers your question. The Kid
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Kev M, I think riders look for that special.....just right for me motorcycle. Everyone has different tastes, expectations if you will. I found the V7s I rode to be "bland" and I tried 2 different years and models. I want a little more pizzazz. A more "lively" feeling in the ride with a quality appearance to the eyes to induce excitement everytime I reach for the handlebars. With the V7 I was left wanting more.....substance? I don't know how else to put it in any other words. I do know I like very much what I'm seeing and hearing about the new V9s. But, is it my crown jewel? Only a little while longer and I'll find out for sure. Hope this answers your question. The Kid
The V7 you rode just needed a set of uncorked Agostinis... :bike-037:
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Kev M, I think riders look for that special.....just right for me motorcycle. Everyone has different tastes, expectations if you will. I found the V7s I rode to be "bland" and I tried 2 different years and models. I want a little more pizzazz. A more "lively" feeling in the ride with a quality appearance to the eyes to induce excitement everytime I reach for the handlebars. With the V7 I was left wanting more.....substance? I don't know how else to put it in any other words. I do know I like very much what I'm seeing and hearing about the new V9s. But, is it my crown jewel? Only a little while longer and I'll find out for sure. Hope this answers your question. The Kid
Sure, it's all good.
One can't argue with that amorphic quality of feel or appeal.
Find your bliss!
I'm lucky that the V7 is mine!
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Maybe it's just me misinterpreting the early signals, but it seems to me they have barely increased the HP over the V7, but maybe come up with a wider, snappier torque band? The engine revs very willingly up top, it seems.
I'd like to see the HP/torque charts between the V7 and the V9.
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I have a longish 32" inseam and am the first to bitch about any bike's lack of peg/seat distance (I present my 8V Griso as a sterling example of this pain), but with an airhawk I found the V7 perfect and much better than other standard bikes I've owned like the GT1000 and an MTS 1000DS even. The V7's pegs were in just the right place for me and I can't imagine moving them forward - again, for me personally - would result in better fit for me; rather, if anything it would likely result in less comfort on my bad lower back. But that's just one man's half cent of input. Gorgeous bikes, they clearly are.
Refresh our collective memories, was your V7 a V7-II, or a Pre-II. I ask, because the ergos are slightly different, with the V7-II having the foot pegs slightly lower.
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Refresh our collective memories, was your V7 a V7-II, or a Pre-II. I ask, because the ergos are slightly different, with the V7-II having the foot pegs slightly lower.
It was a standard '15 Stone, so pre-II.
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Maybe it's just me misinterpreting the early signals, but it seems to me they have barely increased the HP over the V7, but maybe come up with a wider, snappier torque band? The engine revs very willingly up top, it seems.
I'd like to see the HP/torque charts between the V7 and the V9.
plus, the new semi-hemi heads meet Euro-4 and will have room for further development...
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The V9 is a different concept and will be a platform for customizing and individualizing.
Moto Guzzi plans to have various kits and lots of accessories for this model so you can make it unique and to your liking.
^ I heard that in an Italian commercial on YouTube.
Acce$$ories, Acce$$ories, Acce$$ories.
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The V9 is a different concept and will be a platform for customizing and individualizing.
Moto Guzzi plans to have various kits and lots of accessories for this model so you can make it unique and to your liking.
^ I heard that in an Italian commercial on YouTube.
Acce$$ories, Acce$$ories, Acce$$ories.
Much like they've done with the accessory catalog for the V7.
It works for HD, why not for Guzzi?
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It works for HD, why not for Guzzi?
Because Guzzi owners are a bunch of penny-pinching, old grumpy bastards? :undecided: :boozing:
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Because Guzzi owners are a bunch of penny-pinching, old grumpy bastards? :undecided: :boozing:
Busted again!
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Because Guzzi owners are a bunch of penny-pinching, old grumpy bastards? :undecided: :boozing:
:boxing: I'd fire off a long and hateful response to this but my dial up internet is slow today and I'm in a generally dreadful mood.
:grin: :afro:
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They're built on the same frame. The big difference is the change in seating position. The V9 Roamer/Bobber foot pegs are moved forward and down from what you see in the V7. V9 pegs are forward about where they are on the Nevadas, and downward because of the new lower frame rails. The V9s have a much more relaxed seating position than a V7.
So, though the bike is "the same", the detail changes could make it more comfortable for taller riders, and riders with knee problems who don't get along with the V7's tight seat/peg clearance.
so perhaps the pegs and controls from a V7 could make for a sporty ride?
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so perhaps the pegs and controls from a V7 could make for a sporty ride?
You'd have to change the lower frame rails, which include the muffler hangers on the V9.
I'm sure it's all bolt-on, but not just a set of pegs. I expect lower frame rail, rearsets, and fabricated muffler hangers.
The exhaust is pretty low on the Roamer and Bobber, and would probably be a ground clearance issue, once you raised the pegs. So, you might need a new exhaust.
It would probably just be better to wait for the V9 Stone/V9 Special/V9 Racer coming next year...
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It would probably just be better to wait for the V9 Stone/V9 Special/V9 Racer coming next year...
I'm looking forward to that! :thumb:
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Test of V9 Roamer and Bobber on the Italian magazine "Motociclismo", interviews with Marco Lambri (Centro Stile Gruppo Piaggio Director) and Leo Mercanti (Marketing Director Gruppo Piaggio).
In syntesis.
"The Griso will not die" (literal).
There will be a new Stelvio (in a not specified future), different from the current one and from the competitors in the segment.
Moto Guzzi consider the V7 to be of a smaller displacement than the V9 (and the new Street Twin) to be a value (so, expect an Euro-4 750 for now. They'll make a V7 850 only if the Street Twin will erase the V7 from the market).
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"The Griso will not die" (literal).
I'd like to know more about what's in store for GRiSO. 1400cc ? New bodywork ? Hmmm...
There will be a new Stelvio (in a not specified future), different from the current one and from the competitors in the segment.
Good deal! This should be interesting.
Moto Guzzi consider the V7 to be of a smaller displacement than the V9 (and the new Street Twin) to be a value (so, expect an Euro-4 750 for now. They'll make a V7 850 only if the Street Twin will erase the V7 from the market).
I've noticed in some of the magazine articles that they've mentioned V7 will be Euro-4 compliant. We've all been expecting the V9 engine to migrate into the V7 line, but maybe Guzzi does see value in maintaining the 750 bikes for some markets.
I will be curious to see what is brought to The US market.
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Test of V9 Roamer and Bobber on the Italian magazine "Motociclismo", interviews with Marco Lambri (Centro Stile Gruppo Piaggio Director) and Leo Mercanti (Marketing Director Gruppo Piaggio).
In syntesis.
"The Griso will not die" (literal).
There will be a new Stelvio (in a not specified future), different from the current one and from the competitors in the segment.
Moto Guzzi consider the V7 to be of a smaller displacement than the V9 (and the new Street Twin) to be a value (so, expect an Euro-4 750 for now. They'll make a V7 850 only if the Street Twin will erase the V7 from the market).
Very interesting.
So either EU-4 compliant CARC 1200's and Heron head 750's
OR
Some possible motor revisions.
I wonder if they would switch the Heron head 750 to a Hemi to make emissions compliance easier?
And changes would the 8V CARC need?
Hmmmm
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Toldya! (Maybe)
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Toldya! (Maybe)
Ha ha, guess we'll see...
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I'll believe it when I see it. Doesn't make much sense here in the States to me. There is not a delineation (advantage) that a 750 brings vs. the 850. The rest is a few ponies...
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I'll believe it when I see it. Doesn't make much sense here in the States to me. There is not a delineation (advantage) that a 750 brings vs. the 850. The rest is a few ponies...
"Moto Guzzi, not making sense since 1921"
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"Moto Guzzi, not making sense since 1921"
Well, there ya have it. If they had any sense, they would have brought out the Ippo in 97, and jumped into a commanding lead in the mid sized market. <shrug>
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Much like they've done with the accessory catalog for the V7.
It works for HD, why not for Guzzi?
Because HD makes more money selling key fobs than Moto Guzzi makes selling bikes.
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So either EU-4 compliant CARC 1200's and Heron head 750's ....
OR ....
Some possible motor revisions....
I would predict a 750cc version of the new 850cc for tiered license market, and an 850cc V7 family for North America, and other markets without Tiered licensing. It cost $0 more to build the 850cc than a 750cc version of the same motor, and it would be much better positioned against the Street Twin.
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http://ridermagazine.com/2016/03/24/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-and-v9-bobber-first-ride-review/
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I would predict a 750cc version of the new 850cc for tiered license market, and an 850cc V7 family for North America, and other markets without Tiered licensing. It cost $0 more to build the 850cc than a 750cc version of the same motor, and it would be much better positioned against the Street Twin.
My thinking too. If they keep the 750 it's for a special need.
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If Guzzi has made the V7 Euro 4 compliant, the most efficient path would simply be to continue selling it as their tiered licensing starter bike in Europe. No changes needed, and anybody else who wants to buy it (they sell well) can do so. They can market the V9s as a separate niche, which seems to be the way they're already going.