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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: kfz on February 26, 2016, 02:35:09 AM
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Hi forum,
Been a long time, I dont see many of the old faces, but its time to put the old bus on the road.
Bike: Mille GT
Rebuilt the drive train last summer, shimmed the box, new (old) plates, new springs, all that stuff and bike as working fine. But now I find the clutch wont disengage, despite rocking in gear, even tried slamming it into first with the front brake on, it just spun up the tyre!
The lever feels fine and i can feel pressing the springs, no noises or owt.
Dont really wont to tear out the box to get at the clutch again. I havent got a spare hub so its going to be pain in the neck.
Any tips?
Kev
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If it worked when you put it together, ride it with clutch in for mile or 3, hope it frees
Not normal for dry clutch to do that but parking bikes causes many more problems than riding them, only advice I have is ride it, will last forever
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You could try putting mineral spirits in the timing hole w/slot under bell housing plugged.
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The older plates had a habit of sticking-when tey did, only once have I seen success with things like putting the wheel against a wall and doing a burnout.
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The older plates had a habit of sticking-when tey did, only once have I seen success with things like putting the wheel against a wall and doing a burnout.
Aaron, How many time have you seen it not work and what happened!
Kev
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The older plates had a habit of sticking-when tey did, only once have I seen success with things like putting the wheel against a wall and doing a burnout.
Uh , hmm , are you sure about doing this with a Guzzi Aaron ?????
Dusty
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Am I sure? Had the burnt tire to prove it, but frankly after the first time I did it I decided on the 2 times after that that the clutch stuck, I just pulled the transmission off.
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Am I sure? Had the burnt tire to prove it, but frankly after the first time I did it I decided on the 2 times after that that the clutch stuck, I just pulled the transmission off.
OK , just don't tell Pete . LOL .
Dusty
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not convincing me here guys.....
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Just tear out the box again and do it right before you break something expensive.
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If it were my Mille, I would try the "mineral spirits clutch flush". cant hurt.
Rick.
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This is how I have freed up many a stuck clutch
1 warm up the motor
2 find a safe area to ride the bike with a stuck clutch
3 hop on the bike and get a helper to push the bike while it is running
4 pull the clutch lever in and put the bike in gear it may lurch a bit
5 ride the bike while holding the clutch in you may jerk the throttle a bit to help it free
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6 when it frees slip the clutch a bit to clean the rust off the parts
7 get out and ride
Over the years this has almost always worked
Cheers, voncrump
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The problem is fellas , the OP just had the trans and clutch out . Rust isn't the problem , there is something wrong inside . Sassy is right , take it apart .
Dusty
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When the clutch in my Breva 1100 gave up the ghost, it was acting a bit funny in the months leading up.
It engaged inconsistently, as in the friction point was at different positions of lever movement, or even seemed delayed, I'd let the lever the whole way out, then, it would engage a fraction of a second later.
Then one day, I started it in neutral, shifted into first and the bike lurched forward.
Long story short, one or both friction disks had come apart, and chunks of friction disk were just floating freely between the flywheel, intermediate and pressure plate. You used used disks. Maybe this is your problem.
Sorry, but, the only way to know is to pull the transmission again.
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The problem is fellas , the OP just had the trans and clutch out . Rust isn't the problem , there is something wrong inside . Sassy is right , take it apart .
Dusty
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Possible, but it worked fine.
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"But it worked fine " , sorry , that doesn't mean something isn't wrong now . Most everything works... until it doesn't .
Dusty
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Hello Kev. Long time, mate. How's tricks?
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Don't mind Dusty, he's not thinking this out. Get a case of beer, invite friends, tie it to a pickup truck, 2or3 friends get on the bike to weight the tire try 3rd gear and make it happen. A video would be nice!
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Long story short, one or both friction disks had come apart, and chunks of friction disk were just floating freely between the flywheel, intermediate and pressure plate. You used used disks. Maybe this is your problem.
Sorry, but, the only way to know is to pull the transmission again.
:thumb:
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Don't mind Dusty, he's not thinking this out. Get a case of beer, invite friends, tie it to a pickup truck, 2or3 friends get on the bike to weight the tire try 3rd gear and make it happen. A video would be nice!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Hell , I'll drive the pick up ... :evil:
Look , I understand , Kev REALLY doesn't want to take this thing apart again .
Dusty
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Im gonna pull the box out. Im pretty sure the plates are stuck but I dont wanna drop it it, or ruin a perfectly good tyre.
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Hello Kev. Long time, mate. How's tricks?
Hey Troggy one!
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How were the teeth on flywheel when you had it apart?
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How were the teeth on flywheel when you had it apart?
spot on. Only 65K on the bike.
The friction plates where second hand, Good and in spec but not new. Replaced the hub with a fine splined one, must have been one of the last bikes with deep spline hub. again used but perfect.
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Hey Troggy one!
:grin:
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Hi Kev! So now the kids are growing up you have a bit more time to get the bikes going again.
Hope all is well in sunny Cheshire?
Pete
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Hi Kev! So now the kids are growing up you have a bit more time to get the bikes going again.
Hope all is well in sunny Cheshire?
Pete
Is this THE Pete Roper?
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'Fraid so! :grin: Seeing a post from you was actually enough to get me back off sabbatical. Apart from the clutch how's the Mille?
Pete
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Easter is still a month away, too.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Hell , I'll drive the pick up ... :evil:
Look , I understand , Kev REALLY doesn't want to take this thing apart again .
Dusty
I notice you didn't offer to buy the beer, Dusty. :azn:
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I notice you didn't offer to buy the beer, Dusty. :azn:
Or supply the pick up :rolleyes: Wait , isn't the OP in central England , do they refer to those Land Rover thingies as pick ups ?
Dusty
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'Fraid so! :grin: Seeing a post from you was actually enough to get me back off sabbatical. Apart from the clutch how's the Mille?
Pete
G'day Mr Roper, how the hell are you doing my friend.
Yep kids are growing up, Nathaniel at high school now and and enjoying all the new found freedoms that go with it. Olivia got a another year in Primary, but yea not little kids anymore! you wonder where the time goes.
Ive been cycling to keep my hand in and put a little Cb125s on the road last year and went thru the Milli top to bottom. She looks a million dollars. Replaced the horrid clocks with a nice alloy bracket and did a tidy up on everything else. Really looking for to do some riding this year. motor run real nice ,with those 36's, K&N'sand better pipes, she bimbles along just fine.
My Ma has stopped riding now so my old man put his 1000s back to stock cafe racer spec. She looks really smart too. Looking forward to doing some miles with my old fella.
Kids are expressing and interest so got a liile 50cc Italjet (of course) So will be letting them out on that this year. Should provoke a good response from the Cheshire armed response and the helicopter sniper team, my god, kids with a motorcycle!!!
Still got the Ducati ,which has been mostly rebuilt (going for stupid money now) and both the FZ750's are languishing unloved in the back of the garage. The Le-mans is stripped down , shes tired, cosmetically challenged but mechanically good. Exhaust has finally died after 25 british winters, Italian chrome you know, not up to it! 95K on the clock.
Kev
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'Fraid so! :grin: Seeing a post from you was actually enough to get me back off sabbatical. Apart from the clutch how's the Mille?
Pete
Welcome back!
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Yes Pete, WELCOME BACK!
Harry
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Before tearing it apart, maybe try this trick: Disengage clutch (by the lever at least and hold it there while slipping a thin blade in between clutch and pressure plate via the timing hole. Engine stopped of course. See if that does it.
I have a car that holds the clutch every blue moon and it took me a while to realize I did it by moving it into the garage (when engine etc. cold) on a rainy day then letting it set (about a week or more) till the clutch disk 'rusts' (for lack of a better word) to the pressure plate. Slip a knife in there and back to normal. I really didn't want the torque impulse shocking the vehicle. (motor mounts, rear drive splines, etc.) (1974 Lotus Europa TCS with open engine vents above the drivetrain btw). This syndrome is not unheard of on other vehicles.
Good luck,
Mike
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Kev, if you need a clutch tool let me know. I'll bung one in the post.
Pete
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Kev, if you need a clutch tool let me know. I'll bung one in the post.
Pete
Hi Pete,
Thanks
Box is out but not looked yet. Cant see any evidence of stupidity.
Ive got a tool, but not a loose fine toothed hub. Im sure I can unearth one from somewhere. Failing that I'll have to crack the one off the box. I think Ive even got the funny toothed socket to take the hub nut off as well somewhere.
Have a look at it this week and try and get the big fat pudding back together next weekend.
Kev
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It's a little late but I don't think it's the trouble anyway, sometimes the pushrod doesn't go in its hole on the cup but then the whole affair would be out the back about 5 mm. Will be interested to hear what you find.
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It's a little late but I don't think it's the trouble anyway, sometimes the pushrod doesn't go in its hole on the cup but then the whole affair would be out the back about 5 mm. Will be interested to hear what you find.
John,
I would expect the clutch to feel wierd and the clutch felt spot on at the lever....
Kev
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When it's happened to me, not very often, two times in twenty years, I didn't know it until it popped in and had gobs of free play so from what you are describing I don't think it was the trouble
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found the problem. I am a complete potato. Managed to catch the intermediate plate and warp it. Well I say warp it, curvature similar to a soup bowl.
Must have been my poor memory that thought the clutch was ok. I dont know where that came from, probably another bike! Might noteven have been a Guzzi.
Anyway new plate to be ordered and this time I will get a grown up to help.
Kev
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I don't know any grown ups Kev , although there are several old kids around here :laugh:
Dusty
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Phoned Gutsibits up for a new plate. Got a as new user one for 11 quid. Cant argue with that.
Just spent 6 quid on a sandwich and coke for lunch!
Kev