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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: lucian on February 29, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
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Have had the v4 on the wish lists for a while now and may soon have the chance to make it happen. Been doing all the usual research and have been to seacoast several times since the cali purchase two years ago just to talk to the good folks there ,and some current owners. Haven't heard too many negatives other than fuel range and rear tire consumption. The problem for me is of course the unknowns and having to part ways with the griso that I have really loved so far. I just don't have the space or the need to own both, so something has to give. The other fly in the ointment is the fact that I have a BMW dealer one mile from my house and the s1000r is basically the same as the tuono spec wise, and has heated grips and cruise control. However I have never been a big fan of the in line 4's and have always had a thing for the Italian v4. As much as the convenience of a close dealership would be , (Seacoast is an hour and a half away, one way) I would much prefer to give Seacoast my purchase as I have been so well treated there. Surprisingly sitting on the Tuono is strikingly similar to the griso, the wide bars, reach over the tank and even the dash is nearly identical. On the down side for me is chain drive or the fact I will be at the mercy of the dealer for valve adjustment and major services. The new Tuono has a 12,000 mile valve intervals so i think I could live with that. Any helpful guidance,insight would be greatly appreciated. TIA dave
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Enormous fun! If I was thirty years younger I'd be all over one! Like riding a bomb!
Pete
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I was on the Snake on Mullholland riding the Mighty Scura when I suddenly noticed someone behind me. First time in a long time.. :smiley: Eased to the side and motioned him on by. He stopped at the Rock Store, and I pulled in and we shot the sh!t for a while. He was on a Tuono, and was doing a test for a magazine. He said it was stupid fun, maybe the most fun he'd had on a motorcycle. It *did* have an electronic issue, but was sorted by the dealer.
So many bikes, so little time.. :smiley:
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Enormous fun! If I was thirty years younger I'd be all over one! Like riding a bomb!
Pete
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Thanks Pete. It's nice to see you back. I am torn about giving up the Griso as it's been my best bike to date. Any known reliability issues on the new apes to be concerned about?
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Thanks Chuck, I'll take that as two :thumb:
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AF1 had some great deals on some year old bikes.
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My experience owning a Ducati Diavel for several years led me to the surprising conclusion that an ultra high performance bike, while hugely entertaining doing what it's designed for, is not necessarily a very good daily rider. The Diavel was never happy below 4000 rpm, so I could ride around all day and never see fourth gear, and the experience was never mellow (if that's at all important to you). In other words, consider not just what it can do, but what you want it to do, day in, day out.
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To visit performance land (space warp) on that bike you are looking at increased numbers of traffic citations and corresponding increases to your insurance. And you know you are going to go there!
Honestly I've only had the Griso for a couple of weeks but I'm having trouble keeping it the legal ranges. I can't imagine what one of those monsters would do to my driving record. :evil:
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not to rain on the parade but I rode one of these a couple months ago and it was surprisingly unintimidating machine that probably has 90% of the beans of the Tuono and to my eyes has a little more sport touring feel and wind protection.
Gxsus !
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gsxs 1000
it's a naked / sport touring version of the GSXR-1000 sport bike
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I had considered the same trade from a Griso to Tuono but the Guzzi will still be cool 20 years from now. Decided I didn't need the extra power and I've given up on track days due to $$$
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Thanks for the reply's. There is no question that keeping the genie in the bottle is difficult with bikes like the davial , griso and I am sure the tuono. I have had to learn a lot about self control with the griso's tall gearing and constant will to go faster. After a warning last summer for going 70 in a 50 I hopefully will be able to keep it under control this summer. I am being told that the 2016 v4 has been re tuned for more road friendly manners in the lower range and it can be a decent daily ride, and then there's the other side. :evil: The things that appeal to me on the tuono are the similarities to the griso with the added electronics, quick shift and abs, as well as the fact I have never owned a liquid, fan cooled bike. Perhaps there will be no need to shut it down while stuck in traffic. Also I kind of like the ability of being able to change the final drive ratio easily. As we all know , anything with more than 50 hp can be a license shredder, I don't see that as a reason not to venture into the unknown. Hopefully the temptation to use its full ability will be controllable, at least until we can get it to the track. Still on the fence with the trade but it sure is tempting, damn those Italians! :grin:
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Your not alone with the V4 lust. Just be aware that the valve adjustments take the longest of any bike I've looked at say 1.5 times a Duc shop time
Still, being an older fella I've been dreaming of a Falco. I think I can handle the riding position for touring so I'd only have to do a valve check/adjustment every other year.
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The Griso would stay my commuter / short ride bike.
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Wow that falco is beautiful. Is that a v4 also?
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No it's a 'prilly with a V2 and fewer valves to mess with.
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I want one too. But I'd lose my licence pronto, or toss it into the weeds.
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Guy at the gym bought a new 2015 Tuono last fall for $13,500. He's 50 year old. Think that was about the time I traded the Busa in for a slower FJR. Can't wait to compare bikes in the parking lot this spring (me Norge). :popcorn:
Today my body couldn't handle a Tuono for more than 20 miles. :boozing:
I'd rather have one of these.
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Thanks all, now I'm thoroughly confused. Gonna sleep on it and talk some more with seacoast tomorrow. I just read that Aprilia has yet to fix the plastic tank, ethanol problem, hope that's not the case. They did give me a really fair trade value on my 09 griso which surprised me and kinda started this whole thought process. If I weren't so fond of the griso this would be a lot easier decision. Appreciate all the input. dave
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A lot of bikes gets bought 'between the ears' during the winter. Once it warms and you get back on the Griso you may just say waht was I thinking. Then Maybe not, just a thought.
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I bought a new leftover Tuono (twin/not the four cylinder version) several years ago and it was a blast to ride and I had zero problems with it. However, out of the approximately 50 bikes that I've owned since 1969, it was the only one that scared me so badly (due to the power) that I sold it a little over six months later. Coming out of a tight turn and rolling on the throttle would result in the front wheel coming off the ground due to the massive torque. I had to be sooooo careful with the throttle that I could envision myself going over the side of one of the many mountain roads that I routinely ride on. I'm 6'1"/205 pounds so I'm not a lightweight and the Tuono twin had so much power & torque that I decided that it was too much bike for me. I warned the man who bought it and hopefully, he's still alive and well but I don't ever want another bike with this much power. BTW: I've also owned a Griso and the hp & torque was strong but it was nothing like the Tuono. I suspect that the V4 Tuono has even more hp & torque than the V2 model. If you decide to buy it, be super-duper judicious with the use of the throttle because that power curve comes on like a gorilla jumping out of a tree.
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The Aprilia forum has all the things to look for plus great folks (just like here) that will provide guidance.
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The Aprilia forum has all the things to look for plus great folks (just like here) that will provide guidance.
Thanks jbell, I was just over there and read that the v4 will make you a better lover, a happier person and your private parts bigger. I guess that's on the plus side. :grin:
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I had a BMW K1200r for a few years. Similar horsepower to a Tuono. Just waaaay to fast. Sold it in 2011 after back to back weekend encounters with the Gillespie County Sheriff.
You would think at my age I could control myself. (Hi, my name is Mike and I AM a speedacholic).
Get the dealer to throw in a defensive driving class as part of the package. :grin:
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Thanks jbell, I was just over there and read that the v4 will make you a better lover, a happier person and your private parts bigger. I guess that's on the plus side. :grin:
Well, there ya go. What's not to like about that? :smiley: Life is short. If you haven't had a go with a super bike, just do it. You'll know whether it's for you or not.. shortly. :smiley: Remember "stupid fun" ?
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Thanks for the sound advice Mike, and thank you Chuck for being the :evil: advocate. :grin: I thought I outgrew this b.s. years ago , but I'm kinda glad I still get impulsive once in a great while. Your absolutely right Chuck, sometimes we just got learn our own lessons.
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Well, there ya go. What's not to like about that? :smiley: Life is short. If you haven't had a go with a super bike, just do it. You'll know whether it's for you or not.. shortly. :smiley: Remember "stupid fun" ?
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And from all I've read about the Tuono it really is an RSV4 Superbike without the plastic. If you've never owned a balls out, zero to sixty in under 3 seconds, power wheelie capable in the first three gears, peel your skin off top speed bike, you need to.
(I'm sure your friends here can raise the bail money if necessary.)
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The Aprilia forum is a good source for problems, repairs and warranty work that has been done on various models. To me their electronics are way too complex. I was tempted by an RSV1000, Bol D'or a few weeks ago, but it would be much too hard to let go of the Daytona!
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Decision made. 2016 tuono 1100 factory to replace the mighty griso. Seacoast knows how to make a deal happen, great bunch. Now for some counseling. :copcar: Thanks for all the opinions!
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Congrats! Careful, now.. :copcar: :smiley:
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Congratulations! Enjoy! :thumb: :thumb:
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Thank you guys , will definitely miss the griso, at least till I get over it. Will give a ride report and a few pics when it arrives. Thinking about taping a copy of my drivers license to the tank as a reminder. :grin: Not to crazy about the greasy chain thingy but it is what it is. Only hope it is as reliable as the Guzzis have been for me. Should be fun trying to ride this thing with my daughter on her v 50. Thought about keeping the Griso for her but got over ruled. :thewife:
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Enjoy that big v4,there is nothing like a big v4 coming out of a left hander. Low, mid or great top end the v4 has it covered. I just can't let go of mine. Can't wait for your unbiased impressions of the ape. I have heard that the handling is out of this world.ENJOY
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enjoy it. The electronics should make it a lot easier to ride than the V2 or older V4 versions.
I've seriously thought about getting one (I have a Futura so I like Aprilias). But, it's a 150hp bike that I can't figure out to use the power of on the street. Nor do I want to pay for the servicing, buy $225 rear tires every couple of months, and I have no idea about the reliability of all of the electronics (particularly the active suspension).
For me at least, it really is a lot more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is a fast bike slow. That's why in all likelihood I'm going to sell the S3 and a few other bikes, buy a KTM 690 Duke, and flog the piss out of it.
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Thanks jbell, I was just over there and read that the v4 will make you a better lover, a happier person and your private parts bigger. I guess that's on the plus side. :grin:
Oh yeah (slaps my forehead), they're an enthusiastic bunch as well.
Congrats on '16, you're in for quite a ride.
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The V4 is a truly astonishing engine. Valve lash with the donk in the frame is a bit of a pain, hence the expense, but that motor, even in the 'De-tuned' Tuono version, (No shower head injectors or magnesium cases etc like the RSV-4.) is staggeringly stupid. When you pick it up just stand beside it, hold onto the left bar and rock it from side to side ten to fifteen degrees off upright. Do that on the Griso and it'll feel like it wants to tear itself out of your hand and fall over. The Big T feels like a bloody push bike!
For a Guzzi comparison, imagine a taller, thinner, V7 with modern suspension, same weight and four times the power and torque! Every time I ride one copious amounts of wee comes out!
Take your time to learn it Dave, when I was doing 'Prillas I had about twelve regular V4 customers. Eight of them were on their second bike after they had trowelled the first one. It's a LOT of motorbike and needs a fuquetonne of respect.
You lucky, lucky, bastard! :grin:
Pete
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I'll be anxiously watching for your thoughts since I keep considering the same trade myself! I have an '07 Griso that I really adore but am itchy for something with a little MORE. I really like the looks of the Monster 1200 R but the Tuono 1100 Factory is objectively (and by reviews) the superior bike. That said, I'm only willing to trade the Griso for something I'll love, and I'm currently working my way through cancer treatments anyway, so a trade isn't imminent - I just like to plan/dream. :grin:
Let us know your thoughts!
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I have a 07 Griso and 11 Diavel...the Griso loses steam on the top end where the Diavel pulls and keeps pulling. The Diavel is not nearly as sporting as the Tuono. That bike will make you see the light.
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Thanks for all the honest and cautionary advice. I certainly will take it slow and easy until I learn what I (not the bike ) am capable of. Hopefully with a lot of respect for the machine and the rider aids turned up I'll be able to stay within sane parameters on this thing. Part of me has always yearned for such a high performing bike, and part of me is wondering wtf over. I figure at age 54 it's probably not something to put off too long. After much time reading reviews and talking with owners I decided that there are people surviving the experience so maybe with a little self control I can be one of them. I see it as a giant test and possibly a right of passage. We have a lot of wonderful coastal twisties here and I think it will great fun If I can keep the speeds under control, time will tell. I hope all of us can have a safe and enjoyable riding season this summer no matter what machine we choose to ride. I will certainly give my first impressions of the T and share a few pics. Still gonna be hard to say goodbye to the Griso. It has been a super motor bike. I still own the Cali for touring and I'm glad I will still be part of such a great bunch of caring people. Many thanks to all. :thumb:
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va vooom
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I needed to take the Griso in today for some minor servicing and decided to take the Tuono 1100 Factory out for a spin.
HO. LY. CRAP.
I've test ridden a variety of bikes including a Streetfighter, Tuono 1000, Diavel, and baby Panigale. It's the first bike I've thought to myself. "Nope. Too much power for me." I had the TC on at 4 and don't think I'd want to ride it much lower than that anywhere but a track. It's incredibly responsive - it literally surprised me as I turned into the curve of a flyover because I hadn't consciously turned in to it and yet there we were, beautifully turned in, smooth as butter. Shifting is smooth, brakes are great without being too biting, throttle is smooth, gobs of power obviously. It's as amazing as everyone says. And I've been back at the shop for 15 min and my stress level is still elevated from having that much so easily on tap!
Enjoy that puppy! I see now why you said you'd be taking it slow getting familiar with what you can do together!
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I needed to take the Griso in today for some minor servicing and decided to take the Tuono 1100 Factory out for a spin.
HO. LY. CRAP.
I've test ridden a variety of bikes including a Streetfighter, Tuono 1000, Diavel, and baby Panigale. It's the first bike I've thought to myself. "Nope. Too much power for me." I had the TC on at 4 and don't think I'd want to ride it much lower than that anywhere but a track. It's incredibly responsive - it literally surprised me as I turned into the curve of a flyover because I hadn't consciously turned in to it and yet there we were, beautifully turned in, smooth as butter. Shifting is smooth, brakes are great without being too boring, throttle is smooth, gobs of power obviously. It's as amazing as everyone says. And I've been back at the shop for 15 min and my stress level is still elevated from having that much so easily on tap!
Enjoy that puppy! I see now why you said you'd be taking it slow getting familiar with what you can do together!
Thanks for sharing that Carolyn. I glad you returned safely to earth! I had a feeling if I demoed one I no doubt would have to have one, so I always avoided it. Now I've bought one with a lot of unknowns, maybe a bad idea, but I did the same with the griso and itwas the best bike I have ever bought. I mostly go with my eyes and ears anyway as all these Italian bikes are worth the risk in my opinion. How did you find the ergo's compared to the griso? I am hoping it isn't too much heavier on the wrists. Hope your Griso is back to 100 %. And best of luck with your recovery. dave
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqVO41Zd90
The 2016 Aprilia Tuono V4 refines and already thrilling performance package with extra displacement and enhanced electronics. But can the Italian streetfighter take down its KTM Super Duke 1290 rival or the new Suzuki GSX-S1000? Find out in this 2016 Streetfigher Shootout video. Learn more here: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2015/10...
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thanks for that review. encouraging, those guys got a tough job.
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Just noticed that I had a misleading autocorrect in there. The brakes aren't too BITING, not "boring."
The ergos compared to the Griso are similar. Pegs are a touch farther back and slightly higher, but certainly not to a sport bike extent. Reach to the bars was about the same. The cant of my body was slightly more forward because of the location of the pegs, so there was a bit more wrist weight but not terrible. The tank is significantly more pronounced. As a woman that wasn't much of a problem but for you gentlemen it might be a bit more notable. Seat height was higher but not enough that it bothered me. I'm 5'7" and couldn't flat-foot it but had enough of both feet down that I felt stable.
Overall, I've spent 13-hour days on the Griso before without problem. I wouldn't call the Tuono as all-day comfortable but would be perfectly comfortable commuting and spending weekend days fooling around on it.
Performance-wise, I've also ridden the Super Duke and like the Tuono better. It seemed to me that the Tuono has just as much if not more power on tap while the bike itself is more attractive with smoother throttle and nicer turn-in/flckability.
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thanks for taking the time to share that Carolyn. Nothing worse than boring brakes. well maybe no brakes :grin:
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You gotta love this new bike. Two of my riding buddies have the 2016 Tuono Factories and both say they're the most fun you can have with your clothes on. They handle great, they're really fast, they sound great...there seem to be no downsides. Good luck and stay safe.
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Thanks for the :thumb: Mike. Maybe I should try riding it naked?
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Thanks for the :thumb: Mike. Maybe I should try riding it naked?
Well, you could probably get away with doing that at the ROT Rally in Austin later this spring. (But you may get in trouble for frightening small children).