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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: lucydad on March 13, 2016, 09:08:55 PM
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All,
This tweaks my heart...
http://victory-motorcars.ebizautos.com/detail-1986-porsche-911-used-14717770.html
Don't know price. The little 911 would fit in my moto garage easy...
Thoughts?
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Your next post should be "I GOT IT!"
and pics.
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Could get very serious if car is clean...damn...yeah ...heart twister big time...
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So- I'm not a Porsche guy. However- a good friend of mine restores them along with million dollar plus Ferraris, Bugattis, etc. These early 80s 911s aren't quite old enough to be "classics". However, they have the huge benefit of "modern" engines and drivetrains. They are good engines that can take serious mileage. In my mind, you get the best of both worlds. No question, it's the cheapest way to getting into the marque. I'm not crazy about the whale tail- but it's the only way they could stuff air conditioning in there. There's no way the price is going down on these things. Honestly- I think it's a smart move. Oh- and the color is cool.
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Just the blue interior alone is Badass.
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I have had my '97 Carrera (993) for about 9 years now, and I am still thoroughly entertained every time I drive it. I never really understood the popularity of these cars until a college roommate twisted my arm and made me drive his Targa. It is not at all like I imagined it would be to drive (i.e., Beetle-esque). I tend to think of German cars as being extremely refined and well-built, but rather sterile. There is nothing sterile about an air-cooled 911.
If you buy a solid example of any 911 and take proper care of it (nothing particularly unreasonable, at least for the air-cooled cars), it'll willingly serve as a dependable daily driver with tremendous character.
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No, not out of your mind.
I've been a Porsche owner since 1975, learn how to drive them and you won't be without one (forget the ones with the engine in the wrong end).
I think this particular series needs the timing chain adjuster updated.
Here's where you want to ask:
http://rennlist.com/forums/
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Life is short, have no regrets. You have done the right things through your life, worked hard, paid your bills, raised kids well, took care of family...
If it won't cause anyone in your family to miss meals or anything, not much argument against the ownership experience. Remember, all we get are experiences in this life, so make the most of your opportunities because money does not equal cherished memories and life adventures.
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Someday I'll have one of those too, but the Slantnose version.
I'd say if there is room for it in your life without disrupting anything else in your life, then do it!
Good luck!
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Yeah, do it. It should be fun. And that picnic table on the back is a handy place for tools & stuff when you're servicing the bikes.
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Checked price with dealer: way, way out of my budget range. Far out. This beauty is into the collector car category, and deservedly so.
Well heck.
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You can get a lot of car for $50K...if I recall correctly that's the budget.
Tons of choices...plenty of great options out there.
You won't be getting the experience of driving a McLaren or a Ferrari, but a 2 year old Boxster or 4-5 year old 997.2 can be had for that...very easily...
or 5 practically brand new Guzzis as well! :)
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You can get a lot of car for $50K...if I recall correctly that's the budget.
but a 2 year old Boxster
Ask me how I know....
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/toma_nova/Boxster/20160221185749-34af7ae7.jpg)
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Checked price with dealer: way, way out of my budget range. Far out. This beauty is into the collector car category, and deservedly so.
Well heck.
Go out and buy a project bike. It will help keep you mind off the Porsche.
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Sorry, but, I never really liked the street Porsches. The 908 and 917 were the last products that I liked.
I was glad to see they finally came out with a street mid-engine design, but, still not my choice. I'd rather have a Lotus than the Boxster or Cayenne.
My first choice for a fun to drive car is still the Lotus (Caterham) Seven. But, not very practical.
For price/performance in a 2 seater you still can't beat the Corvette. Probably why there are so many of them out there.
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Sorry, but, I never really liked the street Porsches. The 908 and 917 were the last products that I liked.
Not a single one of the more than 50 years of 911 models ever appealed to you?
917's are the monster...of course, totally unaffordable unless you are a collector with deep pockets!
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Ask me how I know....
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/toma_nova/Boxster/20160221185749-34af7ae7.jpg)
Now that looks familiar! :laugh: :laugh:
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My first choice for a fun to drive car is still the Lotus (Caterham) Seven
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My brother has a 1962 or 64 Lotus Super 7. And a 1958 MGA roadster. And TR6 and a Porche 944.
He has owned the mga and lotus since about 1974. The TR6 since the mid 80's and got the 944 about 6 years ago.
But he's a gearhead.
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Get a Z 06 Corvette. Great bang for the buck with supercar performance, and you can get most parts at auto zone. My son picked up a beautiful silver 07 6 speed for less than 50K a few years ago, and it has been a great car. Also gets almost 30 mpg on the highway!
Rick.
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Datsun 2000 Fairlady , or even better if you can find one that hasn't been used up , a Cellca Supra turbo , those things were BAD ! The suggestion of a Lotus super 7 is great , but Greg lives in Houston where a working AC isn't a luxury but an absolute necessity . Hell , go for it and buy an older Nascar cup road racer , 30K bucks , that will IMPRESS the neighbors when started at 6:AM :laugh:
Dusty
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A beauty.
Our son in Dallas has several 911's and does restoration work on them, for clients and his own cars. Victory's asking prices have been at least 10-20% higher than market prices; Porsche prices in general have increased a lot recently, so good luck haggling!
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This Cayman S ain't half bad at all....low mileage and right down the freeway....
tried to paste url and it fails...blue 2008, manual, black/grey interior, 24K miles...
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This Cayman S ain't half bad at all....low mileage and right down the freeway....
tried to paste url and it fails...blue 2008, manual, black/grey interior, 24K miles...
Buying a used Porsche is sometimes tricky business. I would suggest joining PCA.org as a Quest Member (you have to own a Porsche to be a full member). They have a classified section for members. Generally you will find that PCA members take better care of their cars and will usually not mislead you. It's not foolproof, but your chances are better.
I really liked the '86 Carrera but figured the cost of admission was quite a bit above $50K. The best buy in 911's now is the 996. You can buy a well sorted out Turbo within your budget. The engines are bulletproof (you avoid the potential IMS problem) and the performance is mind boggling. And they actually make nice daily drivers.
Of course I am very partial to the Cayman as well. The 2009 have the newer engine and a '09/10 Cayman will have similar performance to a 2006 Cayman S. 2009 non S models are very reasonable. And for what it is worth, the PDK is remarkable.
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Gary,
Thanks for your guidance, I really appreciate it! The 2008 local Cayman S turned up having a Carfax accident reported 1/2016. Huge red flag to me, so I am passing on that one.
Patience is key. There are a lot of Caymans floating around, and the S is my goal car with a manual and the right color (white, red, blue, maybe yellow and I prefer non-black interiors).
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Greg...if you've narrowed it down now to a specific model / trim and specs and don't already have a sales rep you're working with, I would suggest talking to Roger G. up at Porsche North (I-45 north of 1960 next to the Land Rover dealership) and see if he knows anyone with that configuration who may be trading in or interested in selling. He's the guy I got my 911 from...standup guy, very fair deals and he might be able to source one for you...
PCA club here in Houston honestly was quite boring after several lackluster events unfortunately. One in particular I recall, we once had an event leaving the Galleria heading an hour north on 290 to a children's orphanage, I kid you not we were doing 52 mph for the whole hour in a line of 20 cars...and the lead guy was very proud of his K40 Laser Jammer super duper anti radar detector...I guess it must have been beeping the whole time!
Have fun in the continued search...at least you've narrowed it down now to Brand and Model! That's progress!! :)
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Greg,
The local BMW club runs autocross every third Sunday at Houston Police Academy near IAH. I'll be there this Sunday (20th) in the Boxster, there will be at least three Caymans (2nd gen that you're looking at) and a couple of 911s. Great way to talk to some owners about pros and cons and see how the cars run. The group is super friendly.
PM if you're interested and I'll give you more details.
Tom
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Count me in. Been lusting after used Cayman and 996 911s lately. I think I've seen every YouTube video available addressing IMS and other issues. Many new owners preventatively replace the IMS bearing when they put in a new clutch. Seems to be a real bargain if you budget for maintenance as well. Only a matter of time before values climb. All the air cooled (pre-996) 911s are becoming unaffordable for most.
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The mid to late 80's 911s are considered desirable. They benefit from a transmission that many think is better to an older style.
If this car is that old with that few miles on it, it's spent a lot of time just sitting. I'd make a prepurchase inspection a required part of the deal. I'd also assume that any set of tires over 6 years old should be replaced, no matter what they look like. Ideally, a leakdown test would be part of the PPI. Expect that the engine has more wear on it than 8k miles would reflect as it sat, engine went essentially dry, then ran until oil was pumped through the channels. Possibly more rust on the inside of the engine than there would have been if it were used regularly.
I assume you'll take it for a test drive....but make sure the ride it offers for this model year agrees with what you enjoy. For some, it can be rather firm.
If you get it, consider getting fresh fuel into it asap as well as possibly running a can of Techron through it.
The engines from this period are considered reliable and many have well into 6 figures of miles before they are rebuilt.
Good luck.
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The mid to late 80's 911s are considered desirable. They benefit from a transmission that many think is better to an older style.
If this car is that old with that few miles on it, it's spent a lot of time just sitting. I'd make a prepurchase inspection a required part of the deal. I'd also assume that any set of tires over 6 years old should be replaced, no matter what they look like. Ideally, a leakdown test would be part of the PPI. Expect that the engine has more wear on it than 8k miles would reflect as it sat, engine went essentially dry, then ran until oil was pumped through the channels. Possibly more rust on the inside of the engine than there would have been if it were used regularly.
I assume you'll take it for a test drive....but make sure the ride it offers for this model year agrees with what you enjoy. For some, it can be rather firm.
If you get it, consider getting fresh fuel into it asap as well as possibly running a can of Techron through it.
The engines from this period are considered reliable and many have well into 6 figures of miles before they are rebuilt.
Good luck.
Having owned five 911 variants over a period of 40 years, the quoted post above from MG Pilot is the best advice you could receive if you decided to pursue this vehicle. The low mileage is NOT a good thing but it appears that the dealer is attempting to portray it as a reason to bump the value. These cars are extremely durable and have bulletproof engines but they need to be driven on a regular basis or the normally bulletproof engine can become problematic. I have personally seen a lot of 911's with 300,000 plus miles on the engines that have never been rebuilt and that are still running strong.
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Not to mention...exception ally reliable as well.
My 2005 911 997.1 did blow the IMS, but the engine was replaced under warranty and although I didn't think possible, it ran even better afterwards. I was somewhat lucky as I had 3 months left on the warranty period so there were no issues, new engine was done in 1 week by the dealer, no questions asked. There are even cases of Porsche honoring the replacement or partially comping the engine when the IMS blows post warranty...but that would be a key issue to check on these models.
My 2009 911 997.2 has had zero issues...other than regular maintenance...absol utely impeccable build. It's so easy to change the oil on it with the filter on top, honestly an easy car to run on a daily basis or in the twisties or on long trips...very comfortable.
:thumb: :thumb: Add 1 to the stable Greg!
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OK back to Reality from someone who can collect Social Security.
There a lot of good used cars out there but there are a few test that you must be do........
1. Get in & out of a low car. I did it with a friends ZO6 and found I had to "roll out" of the car it was so low.
2. Go for a ride in a little stiffly sprung car and see how you feel. I'd love to get a 4C Alfa but I know better
3. Realize you're not 30 any more and shouldn't be jumping horses. A man's got to know his limitations
My Holy Grail now is to resto-mod a '74 Alfa Spyder the way I want it. I had one for 5 years and loved that car. Not real fast, comfy ride, good brakes and could be driven fast if you know how. kind-of like my Griso 1100
(http://mint2me.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/1974-Alfa-Romeo-Spider-re-2.jpg)
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What's their price..... $65,000 is my guess.
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Hey, I am not eligible to collect SS until May. ..
Yep Porsche Cayman S is the car, I think a 2009 would be perfect. I cast about the inter web and cars come and go: mostly ones that don't fit my criteria. PCA is an option, probably worth the small cost of admission to access their classifieds.
I much prefer a local car that I can check out. Long distance shipping can be costly also.
No rush at all helps...
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2009 Boxster will leave you well under the $50K budget...you could probably get 2 of them, or 1 Boxster and another Moto? Is that the secret plan now? :grin: :grin:
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Paul,
You never know....sometimes chance lands a nice roll of the dice....two bikes are enough for now, probably.
Boxster is a possible, not ruled out, and 911 style open concept too
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I always thought it was significant that almost none of the Porsche mechanics drive Porsches. If it's just for fun, a new Miata or convertible Mustang would probably leave more money in your pocket over time. Of course, sometimes the entertainment and novelty are worth the price. Good luck with your search. But make sure you have a good independent shop near you.
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As mentioned before I picked this one up last month. I've already joined the local club and done a track day and lunch with them. Bev enjoyed the luncheon and wants to attend the next meeting.
This one is a base model, 6 speed manual, only 430 hp (and supposedly 190 mph).
(http://g2.img-dpreview.com/00523363AC8546F48D6E56EBF8CBD6D9.jpg)
(http://g3.img-dpreview.com/1BD205D5194C4146BB13D17612309FEB.jpg)
funny story about the track day: I took a ride with an older gentleman (82 yo), who was driving a 640 HP ZR1 launch control Corvette. After he took off, I was crying like a little girl to get out of that car. I was telling this story all week long when we met met him at the luncheon. When I recounted the story, the gentleman said, it wasn't that bad because I didn't pee my pants.
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Not a single one of the more than 50 years of 911 models ever appealed to you?
917's are the monster...of course, totally unaffordable unless you are a collector with deep pockets!
Nope. I really don't like the 911 series at all. And, yes, have driven quite a few of them, from back in the 70's to just a few years ago. If I had to take one, I'd only consider the AWD version (which probably is not considered a 911 variant by purists).
My sister-in-law has been in love with them forever and has had three targas. Friend of mine has had 5 different versions starting with a 911S back in 1976. I just don't like them.
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You never know....sometimes chance lands a nice roll of the dice....two bikes are enough for now, probably.
Boxster is a possible, not ruled out, and 911 style open concept too
My first choice was a Cayman. I really could not find one I liked for my budget. Then I found the Boxster S with the right everything and in fabulous condition. I've had several convertibles in my lifetime and I am really glad I got another. I am very happy with the Boxster and would do it over again. Only problem is that it makes me want to take the Boxster when I used to hop on the bike. Hmmmm...
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I'd only consider the AWD version (which probably is not considered a 911 variant by purists).
Perfectly acceptable version of a 911, and would be a lot of fun doing Camp 4 or driving on an ice lake with studded tires! :grin: :grin:
I think the purists, whoever they are, are more put off by the Cayenne or the Panamera more than a 4 wheel drive version of the 911.
Good that there are different options for all of us! :thumb: :thumb:
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Yes, yes you would and why the hell not?
Comes to it, someone will always buy it from you.
Todd.
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The 996 Turbo, Carrera 4 & 4S are all wheel drive. The main downside (and I really love my friend's Turbo) is that luggage space and I believe fuel tank are reduced in size a little.
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Yep Porsche Cayman S is the car, I think a 2009 would be perfect.
Yes, Cayman S, but 2010+ the second generation is worth the little extra $
I posted this link before but it's a great resource:
http://rennlist.com/forums/
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MGPilot's comments are right on. A car of this age, with only 8Kmiles is a questionable buy, and anything over $40K is absurd. Victory has a pretty sketchy reputation in the Porsche world, so take that for what it's worth. These cars are great, but you need to be able to do some of the work on them yourself, esp. routine maintenance, or the cost can be outrageous. Also, never buy a 911 without a PPI (inspection) by a qualified Porsche mechanic. It will save you heartache in the end. I'd go for a 996 turbo if you can find one. Great cars, and about the same price as a late '80's 911. BTW, the G50 transmission came in the '87, so you'd be using the 915 in the '86. Not bad, just more finicky. Another thing, the A/C's in these cars is not modern in any sense, and you will suffer in Houston in an '80s Porsce. I love my '87 and hope to never sell it, but they need lots of care, and to be driven regularly.
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I've been following bringatrailer lately and this Porsche popped up today.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-porsche-911-targa/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-porsche-911-targa/)
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Ok, guys...now I am lusting. My buddy Ed drove by this evening in his brand new black C7 Corvette. Pix tomorrow as my iPhone takes a while to cross-link to PC. We drove down to Brazos Bend and here and there, and finished with burgers and fries at Five Guys. What a magnificent machine! Ed turned 70 today, and treated himself.
The car surprised me with its smoothness. Ed got the 7 speed and it has one of the middle range performance packages. The medium-tan convertible top is nifty and matching leather interior trim. Brake calipers are yellow...the car is just gorgeous. Performance is as you would expect. I had a 1984 Corvette in Midland and Denver, but sold it when moving to Africa. Hell of a change from 84 to 16....lovely sound from that V8 and four exhausts. Manta Ray side emblem a plus. Wow.
Last Sunday his two adult sons flew into town from AR and NY and we had a small birthday party.
Ed turned me onto riding motorcycles again about five years ago, and is as fine a fellow as walks the planet.
Porsche focus dials now turned up...
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All,
My buddy Ed on his 70th birthday and brand new C7. We had some fun on a gorgeous evening with top down and burgers after.
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y495/lucydad1/Ed_70th_Bday_vette_mar16_2016_zpsh68ylqxh.jpg) (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/lucydad1/media/Ed_70th_Bday_vette_mar16_2016_zpsh68ylqxh.jpg.html)