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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: redrider90 on April 07, 2016, 08:28:15 AM
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Who is more stupid the cage who is extremely aggressive vs the bike who should have either found a high traffic zone and spit traffic or just pulled into a gas station. But going down the opposite side of the street at high speed is pretty darn stupid. The biker sure wasn't using all his power to get away from this guy. Not saying I would have the ton+.
Wow this is stupid. At least the cage got charged with a felony assault.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/motorcycle-vs-car-road-rage_us_57052aa2e4b0b90ac270d050
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Does look like poor decisionmaking. Generally, riding onto the sidewalk and evading through narrow spots works, and that opportunity appeared to exist. Still, in the heat of the moment things are hard to decide. I suspect that around here someone would have ended up perforated.
Thanks for posting that - really a nice reminder of the moronic things people are capable of, probably including most motorcyclists.
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Neither the rider nor the driver showed any regard for other's safety .
If they still have their driving privilege ..... well , they should not .
Riding the bus and bumming rides would be good therapy for both .
Seems the rider put on a helmet camera and went looking for something to record .
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I am inclined to the think that the motorcyclist should've just pulled over and let the car go. On the other hand, everyone is packing heat now. I can see trying to outrun the car when you think you might just get shot. I mean the car driver was a coward and using his car as weapon, it stands to reason that he wouldn't pick a fight unless he had a gun in the car too.
But why in the hell didn't he just nail the gas and leave the Ford into the rearview mirror. Perhaps too much traffic to really nail it?
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Very poor decision to put all the other drivers at risk by the excessive speed and reckless driving...the biker passed by many opportunities to pull off into a public place with witnesses and relative safety...no way to tell if the vid shows EVERYTHING that went on...anger is a thief that steals all the best moments...
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Very poor decision to put all the other drivers at risk by the excessive speed and reckless driving...the biker passed by many opportunities to pull off into a public place with witnesses and relative safety...no way to tell if the vid shows EVERYTHING that went on...anger is a thief that steals all the best moments...
"anger is a thief" :1: While I have no sympathy for the cager , we kind of don't know what led up to this . The motorcyclist had opportunities to escape the situation , and while we don't know whether or not the cager had a weapon other than his car , he did not display one . Here is the important thing , what is the lesson from this ? .
Dusty
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"anger is a thief" :1: While I have no sympathy for the cager , we kind of don't know what led up to this . The motorcyclist had opportunities to escape the situation , and while we don't know whether or not the cager had a weapon other than his car , he did not display one . Here is the important thing , what is the lesson from this ? .
Dusty
There is a longer video out there. Here's the outline of events that led up to what is seen in this video:
-The motorcyclist filtered to the front of traffic at a stop light. (Illegal in Florida).
-The auto driver objected as the motorcylist filtered by.
-The motorcyclist slapped his rearview mirror.
-The auto driver got pissed.
-Green Light, and the chase was on.
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There is a longer video out there. Here's the outline of events that led up to what is seen in this video:
-The motorcyclist filtered to the front of traffic at a stop light. (Illegal in Florida).
-The auto driver objected as the motorcylist filtered by.
-The motorcyclist slapped his rearview mirror.
-The auto driver got pissed.
-Green Light, and the chase was on.
Ahh , so the motorcyclist bore some responsibility in this incident . I've filtered in heavy traffic for years , but sort of asked permission with visual signals . Now , the car driver was still waaayyy over reacting and risking a bad wreck , but the rider was doing some stupid stuff himself .
Once again , what is the take away ?
Dusty
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Once again , what is the take away ?
Dusty
-There are crazy, unhinged people everywhere. (car driver obviously troubled).
-Walk away from a fight, when you can. Don't escalate. (don't slap someone's car mirror, no matter what four-letter words they're flinging).
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Ahh , so the motorcyclist bore some responsibility in this incident . I've filtered in heavy traffic for years , but sort of asked permission with visual signals . Now , the car driver was still waaayyy over reacting and risking a bad wreck , but the rider was doing some stupid stuff himself .
Once again , what is the take away ?
Dusty
Ride a Ural. Can't filter with it. If you collide with a modern car, Ural will win. If Ural gets totalled, no big loss. :evil:
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Ride a Ural. Can't filter with it. If you collide with a modern car, Ural will win. If Ural gets totalled, no big loss. :evil:
Uh , OK :laugh: "Ahh , Ural , very powerful , only for police or military" :huh: Quote from a Russian gentleman on a flight to Russia . Spoken to the American Ural Rep .
Dusty
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Why even ride a motorcycle if that's all the road choice you have?
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Ahh , so the motorcyclist bore some responsibility in this incident . I've filtered in heavy traffic for years , but sort of asked permission with visual signals . Now , the car driver was still waaayyy over reacting and risking a bad wreck , but the rider was doing some stupid stuff himself .
Once again , what is the take away ?
Dusty
I used to filter but quit many a decades ago after an unusual incident. I was about 5 vehicle behind when the RXR light came on. I fast filtered around those 5 cars before the gates came down. Then I got about a 1/4 mile down the road and it was all backed up from a big wreck. So I had to sit there. In the meantime the long train passes and here comes the LEO who was trapped on the other side of the tracks. It was in the days when I still partook in Mary Jane. I was quite high to say the least and had a full bag in my pocket. Needless to say as soon as I was sitting in the LEO car I almost came unglued with paranoia :drool: thinking about the bag of weed in my pocket. It just so happened the first vehicle in the line at the RXR crossing was another biker, somebody I did not know. Since he was first up when the gates came up the biker caught up to me so we were both sitting there in the traffic jam together when LEO :copcar: flashes us. So the LEO took us both in the car. My head spinning in fear but I very politely answered all the questions and kept reminding myself do not do anything stupid, do not act crazy and be quite and calm and do not by any means jump out the car and run which is what I really wanted to do. When it came time time to give the other guy the ticket I told the officer I did not know the other biker but he was first in line at the RXR crossing and that is why we were sitting together in the traffic jam. I said officer he did not blow the RXR crossing like I did so LEO lets the guy go. I got my ticket and went home thanking the reefer gods :angel: for my good fortune. :grin: :laugh: :boozing: :popcorn:
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Local Houston TV news ran a video about a local road rage incident. Motorcyclist lane filtered (not legal in TX, yet), driver objected, and it was nasty. Fortunately nobody injured, but insane driving by both parties. All on video GoPro by rider. News said that driver was cited ? but not sure if that is true.
Be a Vulcan out there. Always.
About to head out on the V7R. I still need to get GoPro organized. Finding time now that the worst of the house move and Spring chores caught up on.
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What kinda rocket fuel was that little red Ford burning to always be right there with the bonehead on the bike? :boxing:
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I never filter. I consider it rude.
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If that little red ford has one of the new ecoboost motors, then it can move really well. What kind of bike was that anyway? Yamaha 600?
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I never filter. I consider it rude.
Yeah , we know that being polite is the Ozzie National pastime :shocked: :evil:
Dusty
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I never filter. I consider it rude.
+1 I stay in my spot in traffic just like I was in my truck.
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Yeah , we know that being polite is the Ozzie National pastime :shocked: :evil:
You will find I am very polite, right up until the moment I head-butt you.
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You will find I am very polite, right up until the moment I head-butt you.
Describes me also :laugh: One more good reason to wear a helmet .
Dusty
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Dumb and dumber, the sequel.
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I'd be willing to bet that if the squid wasn't having fun filming on his go pro the situation wouldn't have lasted so long. I'm glad I ride where "filtering" is I dodging roadkill possums and armadillos. If I had to ride Florida all the time I'd sell the bikes.
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Both got what they deserved apparently! :whip2:
http://www.local10.com/news/local/miami-driver-attempts-to-run-motorcyclist-off-the-road
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I never filter. I consider it rude.
:1: If it ain't the law- it ain't the law. Most importantly, if the locals aren't used to filering, they think of it as cutting in line- so it's understandable that they get pissed.
That being said, the cager was a real dick
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The idea is to get home at the end of the day, safe and in one piece and not having taken that away from others in the process.
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If you're on a MC and get pissed at another driver, NEVER flip them off! If they react negative to that jesture YOU can be in deep shit real quick. I just turn my head in a no motion. Let them honk their horn or jesture at you and be done with their feelings. Don't let the moment escalate into a possible life threatening situation. Keep your cool.
Hell, I almost got into a fist fight in a parking lot when a fellow Vietnam vet almost ran my ass over as I walked over to a store recently. I thumped his back window and he accused me of denting his fender. He swore he had the right of way(in a parking lot). He pushed me and I told him to back off and pushed him back. He finally did. I had my 1/2 helmet on. :huh:
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Just to play devils advocate.. some times ya just gotta stand up for yourself and let people know when they are being rude or stupid. I have folded more than a couple of mirrors in when they make a left turn through the turn lane I am sitting in.
You are doing nobody any favors when you let someone else run roughshod over you. As they say.. "Evil wins when good people do nothing."
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funny how this "filtering" works. It seems it's bad form to do it even though it improves traffic flow for everyone. But car drivers get pissed if they think you are jumping the line.
But when I am in the far right lane in a stopped intersection and move to the left, I can leave enough room for the traffic behind me to "filter" and to complete right turns on red. No one seems to get pissed about that.
I guess it's more intuitively obvious even though it functions that same.
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I have no problem filtering to a turn when I am second in line at the corner and I have never had a driver give me an encouraging beep or a friendly finger wave.
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Most guys who are adamant anti-filtering have never done it and refuse to even consider it. :blank:
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Most guys who are adamant anti-filtering have never done it and refuse to even consider it. :blank:
Maybe, but in my case, I don't want to be between two lines of cager traffic, to much restriction of my personal comfort zone. I've seen riders have doors swung open on them, and cagers sort of resent you "getting too close" even if no harm done, especially if they are a rich snob with a set of shiny wheels. I want SPACE when I ride, not show off how clever we are by knifing through stalled traffic.
I consider filtering a handy emergency maneuver, but to each their own.
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Maybe, but in my case, I don't want to be between two lines of cager traffic, to much restriction of my personal comfort zone. I've seen riders have doors swung open on them, and cagers sort of resent you "getting too close" even if no harm done, especially if they are a rich snob with a set of shiny wheels. I want SPACE when I ride, not show off how clever we are by knifing through stalled traffic.
I consider filtering a handy emergency maneuver, but to each their own.
I've seen riders have doors swung open on them...........I've filtered/split lanes for decades and have never seen that. I don't believe you.
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I've had a gun pulled on me at a stop sign by gang bangers or it was just some punk kid.
It was a Wednesday night and I was riding home from a bike night in Tempe. I was 1/4 mile from my house on a narrow street. The road Ended onto the freeway access road .
So, I'm slowing for the stop sign and notice the car behind me is coming around me on the left side. Hmmmm, strange I thought. As I come to a stop the car pulled up alongside me and I looked over to see a young guy half hanging out the passenger window pointing a gun at me with one had and his other arm was raised and he was pointing down at me and saying " I'm going to kill you,mother f*cker !"
The car was so close to me I reached over with my left hand and grabbed the gun and pushed it down and to the back of me so if he shot it wouldn't hit me but on the ground behind me.
Now I don't know what to do. Here I have a guy yelling his head off at me and I am holding onto his gun pushing it away and not letting him pull it back and out of my hand. My bike is running but my left hand is a little busy at the moment keeping me from getting shot. I knew this wasn't a good situation. Duh!
So I gave the gun hard jerk trying to get it away from the guy. I felt is slip but I didn't get it. I let it go,grabbed the clutch, dropped a gear and let her rip.
I had to go to the right and I let my Guzzi red line. I expected to feel hot lead in my back. I shifted gears and the front wheel lifted a bit. A car was exiting the freeway and I shot past him at about a hundred.
A major street came up quickly and I ran the red making a right turn. I blew through another light and at the next major street made another right. After only a couple blocks was a gas station and I pulled in hiding my bike behind a pickup.
Called police. They arrived quickly. I couldn't tell the police much. I don't know what kind of car it was, what the guys looked like, never saw the driver, anything. I only know I had a semi auto pointed at me.
Then I went home.
Tom
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Most guys who are adamant anti-filtering have never done it and refuse to even consider it. :blank:
I'm Europe it is expected that scooters and mcs cut to the front at a stop.
I don't really like to do but have done it when I saw there was slow vehicle ahead.
Tom
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I would be willing to bet "filtering" is illegal in all 50 states. It only makes sense that it would be illegal. I've done it but I quite a long time ago.
Many of us will use our significant power advantage and pass on a double yellow no passing zone just because we have the power to pass where most cars cannot accelerate that fast. It's still illegal.
We complain like crazy when a cage does something illegal to us but it's OK for us to "filter" which is really another word for making an extra lane where one does exist. Whose at fault if a car moves slightly over in slow traffic and hits a filtering bike? Of course it's the bikers fault as it should be as long as the car is in its lane. :boxing:
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Would if be any different if two guys in cars next to each other at a traffic light happened to stop so the guy on the right was to the right side of his lane, and the guy on the left was to the left side of his lane, and a guy in a Mini Cooper pulled up between them? Or if two motorcyclists were at a light in different lanes and a car pulled between them to filter? If filtering is OK, then I'd think these examples should be OK too.
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In California ' filtering ' is called lane sharing and is not illegal . It is allowed because until recently motorcycles were mostly air cooled and the need for a flow of air was recognized .
Motorcycles do not do well in rear end incidents , and the idea of a bike being sandwiched between bumpers causes me to believe that between lanes is a safer place to be .
Most automobile drivers that drive routinely in heavy traffic are used to bikes splitting lanes , and make room for them rather than impeding their progress .
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In California ' filtering ' is called lane sharing and is not illegal . It is allowed because until recently motorcycles were mostly air cooled and the need for a flow of air was recognized .
Motorcycles do not do well in rear end incidents , and the idea of a bike being sandwiched between bumpers causes me to believe that between lanes is a safer place to be .
Most automobile drivers that drive routinely in heavy traffic are used to bikes splitting lanes , and make room for them rather than impeding their progress .
I am surprised that it is legal. Any other states legal? No doubt Los Angles/San Francisco severe chronic congestion had something to do with this being legal. I read the CHP guidelines for it. Of course there is that one caveat in the rules pretty much limiting "filtering" to 10 MPH or less and then there is the disclaimer " Risk of getting a ticket: Motorcyclists who lane split are not relieved of the responsibility to obey all existing traffic laws. With respect to possible law enforcement action, keep in mind that it will be up to the discretion of the Law Enforcement Officer to determine if riding behavior while lane splitting is or was safe and prudent."
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Here is a link to the AMA's take on it. http://americanmotorcyclist.com/rights/positionstatements/lanesplitting.aspx
And it seems from what AMA says CA. is the only state to specifically allow it.
"In a statement issued by the Motorcycle Industry Council in 2011 and revised in 20144, the trade group states: �In full consideration of the risks and benefits of lane splitting, the Motorcycle Industry Council supports state laws that allow lane splitting under reasonable restrictions.�
For decades, California has been the only state to permit lane splitting. While not specifically permitted or prohibited in the California Vehicle Code, lane splitting authority comes from the California Highway Patrol. In early 2013, the CHP published lane splitting guidelines5 for the first time. While the guidelines do not carry the force of law, they provide clear indicators under which a motorcyclist might be cited for unsafe or imprudent behavior.
Legislatively, there has been state-level activity on lane splitting, although to date no bill has been enacted."
From that same article on AMA site is this bit of 'safety information'
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The American Motorcyclist Association places significant emphasis on motorcyclei operator and passenger safety. On every type of public roadway, motorcyclists encounter challenges from other roadway users and are constantly vigilant to unsafe conditions around them.
Perhaps one of the most dangerous situations for any on-highway motorcyclist is being caught in congested traffic, where stop-and-go vehicles, distracted and inattentive vehicle operators, and environmental conditions pose an increased risk of physical contact with another vehicle or hazard. Even minor contact under such conditions can be disastrous for motorcyclists.
The Hurt Report1, the most comprehensive motorcycle crash causation study to date, noted that, “Moderate or heavy traffic was the situation at 59.2 percent of the accidents [studied].” Reducing a motorcyclist’s exposure to vehicles that are frequently accelerating and decelerating on congested roadways can be one way to reduce rear-end collisions for those most vulnerable in traffic.
In many countries (excluding the United States), lane splittingii and filteringiii are normal practices for motorcyclists. Particularly in the highly urbanized areas of Europe and Asia, motorcycle and scooter operators are expected to pass between conventional vehicles and filter (advance) to the front of the group.
Recent events in the U.S. have renewed motorcyclists’ interest in lane splitting. Therefore, the AMA has prepared this position statement to aid in understanding this issue and assist motorcyclists in deciding whether to support efforts to permit lane splitting in their state.
The University of California at Berkeley published a report in May 2015 that concludes that motorcyclists who split lanes in heavy traffic are significantly less likely to be struck from behind by other motorists, are less likely to suffer head or torso injuries, and are less likely to sustain fatal injuries in a crash2.
One of the recommendations in the National Agenda for Motorcycle Safety (NAMS)3 is: “Study the safety implications of lane splitting.” In support of this recommendation, the report states:
“A motorcycle’s narrow width can allow it to pass between lanes of stopped or slow-moving cars on roadways where the lanes are wide enough to offer an adequate gap. This option can provide an escape route for motorcyclists who would otherwise be trapped or struck from behind. There is evidence (Hurt, 1981) that traveling between lanes of stopped or slow-moving cars (i.e., lane splitting) on multiple-lane roads (such as interstate highways) slightly reduces crash frequency compared with staying within the lane and moving with other traffic.
“Although lane splitting is allowed in just a few areas of the United States, notably California, it appears to be worthy of further study because it offers a means of reducing congestion in addition to possible safety benefits. It is widely used in many other countries.”
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In Ca. drivers all over the state are used to lane splitting and make room for MCs in slow driving situations. Also on 2 lane roads slow vehicles are required to pull over if they are holding back X # of vehicles from going faster. On scenic highways like 101 many RV drivers will pull over to the shoulder of the road to let MCs behind them get by. We're talking common courtesies here. In Ca. you cannot ride down the shoulder of a road like in some other states when traffic is stopped. Ca. has more MCs than any other state.
If I'm in another state and multi lane traffic is stopped for miles or moving really slow, sorry, I'm not going to burn up my air cooled MC motor sitting there. If possibe I'm going to split lanes. Even some w/c MCs can't sit idly by for very long like a car can w/o overheating it's motor. If a cop wants to give me a ticket he's going to have to catch me. :bike-037:
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I've had an Okie cop blow his stack, very angry red faced when I rolled slowly past a couple-mile-long stack of traffic-stalled cars on my BMW. I told him I was late for work. He told me if I didn't stop I would not be late for jail.
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WOW AZ Rep. What a scary story. I am speechless.
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When cars drive on the right side even though the lanes are merging ahead, it seems perfectly acceptable to cause congestion while doing do. Let a motorcycle filter and suddenly it is rude, shouldn't be allowed or something like that. Rubbish.
If you filter at stop signs and sit there exercising your right wrist, sure, that is obnoxious so the loud pipes equals safety is nothing less than an irritant.
You're on a motorcycle and even the smallest cars can push you over or funnel you into a collision or crash, why risk it? Turn away, get out of the way or head in another direction. Dead is dead and being right and dead is still dead.
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I've had an Okie cop blow his stack, very angry red faced when I rolled slowly past a couple-mile-long stack of traffic-stalled cars on my BMW. I told him I was late for work. He told me if I didn't stop I would not be late for jail.
Happened to me but he was cool about it. He said he had to pull me over since everyone in line would've complained to his boss. And then he told me he was in a hurry for another call and didn't have to time to yack with me. He left before I could complete my BS excuse.
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Traffic backups are an excellent reason to utilize Siri's "Directions to the nearest bar?" function... :thumb:
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I am inclined to the think that the motorcyclist should've just pulled over and let the car go. On the other hand, everyone is packing heat now. I can see trying to outrun the car when you think you might just get shot. I mean the car driver was a coward and using his car as weapon, it stands to reason that he wouldn't pick a fight unless he had a gun in the car too.
But why in the hell didn't he just nail the gas and leave the Ford into the rearview mirror. Perhaps too much traffic to really nail it?
just in case you didn't read the news today.........New Orleans Saints Football player shot dead in road rage incident.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/will-smith-new-orleans-shot-dead_us_570a0f82e4b0142232493da7
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That one will end up being self defense..
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I'm once again registering my objection to moderators deleting posts simply because they don't like them.
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please let's chill.
Dusty is doing his best.
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please let's chill.
Dusty is doing his best.
I think Dusty's doing a damn fine job. He is been fair and balanced as much as any man can be. Yes, he has taken post of mine out behind the barn and shot them, but that is what the admins have asked him to do. He hasn't let his personal or political views bias what he nukes. It's LUAP's sandbox. His rules. It's not a democracy, its a dictatorship. Albeit a benevolent one. It certainly hasn't been a heavy handed one. So if we get our hands slapped, take it in stride and ride on. Life's too short to get worked up over someone being wrong on the interneck.
So to move this along:
Syn VS Dino
Revolver VS Auto
Pro Abortion VS Pro Life
Pro 2nd VS Anti 2nd
Harley VS Everyone else
Trump VS Hillary
Trump VS Cruz
Uncle Bernie VS Reality
To grease VS Not to grease.
Discuss.
(Ducking and running for cover from the heavy incoming) :devil:
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I'm once again registering my objection to moderators deleting posts simply because they don't like them.
What got deleted? Did I have anything to do with it, opinionated as I am? :copcar:
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Biker is riding with traffic and even lets a car pass. It's not until he's challenged by the cager that he gets agro. Seems pretty minor at the start, but the biker hits 123 trying to get away and somehow the little Ford keeps up?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrMTYz2CgCQ&nohtml5=False
Both guys are dicks but the cager is a sociopath.
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I've seen riders have doors swung open on them...........I've filtered/split lanes for decades and have never seen that. I don't believe you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMl8Oh4HA_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUM6n6KFcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2SgwUt1cqQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_UCzCBtFiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PRO7Yy_7GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusMWVHbZVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3irfqy7l-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq1OolmO_5A
http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/05/29/driver-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder-in-road-rage-crash/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hE7c3VnNnI
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I stand by what I said and have never seen anything like that happen on the West coast, even in L.A, Seattle, or San Fran., but you proved your point in other parts of the country.
Taxi cabs doing it..........is that in NYC? If you do that on the West coast the car driver is automatically at fault and guilty. Don't know what the laws are back east but I have never ridden there and after seeing this have no desire to.
I've been told if you split lanes in the South(ridden there) you might get shot in the back. I believe it. When riding in the South we had more close calls than anywhere else by far. If I lived there I wouldn't ride.
It seems the drivers out West are more civilized.
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When riding in the South we had more close calls than anywhere else by far. If I lived there I wouldn't ride.
The South is a pretty big area. I live in the South and I find it to be a motorcyclist's paradise.
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The South is a pretty big area. I live in the South and I find it to be a motorcyclist's paradise.
Yeah , I don't believe we are uncivilized here either . Actually most car drivers are fairly courteous
Dusty
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Yeah , I don't believe we are uncivilized here either . Actually most car drivers are fairly courteous
Dusty
I don't know about riding in the South but I agree with Wayne if your talking about riding in Okla.
Uncivilized.
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I don't know about riding in the South but I agree with Wayne if your talking about riding in Okla.
Uncivilized.
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Yeah well, in general OKC is a bit , er , different :shocked: Seriously , don't know of anyone who has been "shot" off their motorbike here in Okieland .
Dusty
Edit . In fact the one report of having a gun pointed at a rider was bu azguzzirep , and that happen
ed in Arizona .
Dusty
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Yeah well, in general OKC is a bit , er , different :shocked: Seriously , don't know of anyone who has been "shot" off their motorbike here in Okieland .
Dusty
Geess weren't just about run over on the way back from the Okie campout this year? And how about that time you and your buddy buddy were harassed to the point that your partner drew a gun?
I just don't think that is very civilized.
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Geess weren't just about run over on the way back from the Okie campout this year? And how about that time you and your buddy buddy were harassed to the point that your partner drew a gun?
I just don't think that is very civilized.
Those things happen everywhere , and in my almost 48 years of riding have been rare . My objection was to the idea that somehow we are more violent in the South , or North , or East than all of those completely pacific folks in Arizona .
Dusty
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Dusty, we aren't in the South, we're in Okla.
wait. you're in Little Dixie. OK, you live in the South. I live in Okla. :shocked:
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Dusty, we aren't in the South, we're in Okla.
wait. you're in Little Dixie. OK, you live in the South. I live in Okla. :shocked:
Oh in my mind this isn't Southern but Southwestern :laugh: Just that to most folks Oklahoma is Southern , like Texas . Of course everyone knows we are nothing like those crazies down there :shocked: :laugh: Hey Rocker , you live in the South and motorbike commute most days , any of those crazy Arkies shoot at you lately ? :evil:
Dusty
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Oklahoma is just Texas Lite...and 3.2%! :grin:
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We had more close calls riding thru Lousiana. In Georgia I passed a car on a 2 lane road w/my car and the car driver got so pissed off he passed me back, and pulled over at first opportunity and wanted us to have a fist fight over it. :rolleyes: He was a redhead. In Florida you literally didn't know what some of the drivers were going to do/go next. :shocked: The most aggressive drivers(men or women) I've ever seen are around Salt Lake City, Utah.
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Maybe, but in my case, I don't want to be between two lines of cager traffic, to much restriction of my personal comfort zone. I've seen riders have doors swung open on them, and cagers sort of resent you "getting too close" even if no harm done, especially if they are a rich snob with a set of shiny wheels. I want SPACE when I ride, not show off how clever we are by knifing through stalled traffic.
I consider filtering a handy emergency maneuver, but to each their own.
I suspect you don't live in the USA and some of the videos you presented here were not incidents in the USA. My lane splitting opinion/experience is all in the USA, nowhere else.
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Dusty, we aren't in the South, we're in Okla.
wait. you're in Little Dixie. OK, you live in the South. I live in Okla. :shocked:
Oh in my mind this isn't Southern but Southwestern :laugh: Just that to most folks Oklahoma is Southern , like Texas . Of course everyone knows we are nothing like those crazies down there :shocked: :laugh: Hey Rocker , you live in the South and motorbike commute most days , any of those crazy Arkies shoot at you lately ? :evil:
Dusty
I'd say that Oklahoma Territory isn't Southern, but Indian Territory is...
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While I've had one or two people try to block a pass I was making while riding a motorcycle in Arkansas, I've never had a gun pulled on me in almost 50 years of living here. This, despite just about everyone in Arkansas owning/possessing them.
The only time I thought a road-rager was going to pull a gun on me was in Woodbridge Virginia (suburban DC), and I was in an SUV, not on a motorcycle...
Maybe it's just my style, but I haven't had too many incidents on my motorcycle where someone got pissed off enough to escalate.
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It's a pretty low bar if we're talking about having experienced being drawn on first hand compared to dangerous road rage.
I am a lot more concerned that some predisposed to road rage in the might be armed. And I think the likelihood is greater now that it was in the past.
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It's a pretty low bar if we're talking about having experienced being drawn on first hand compared to dangerous road rage.
I am a lot more concerned that some predisposed to road rage in the might be armed. And I think the likelihood is greater now that it was in the past.
I'm not sure I follow you... I've never been "drawn on" and have experienced only a few random road rage incidents in 35 years of driving/riding. The ones I remember most happened in 1999, 2003, 2006. Three of the four I'm thinking of were when I was in an auto. Not on a motorcycle. Don't kid yourself about fewer people being armed in the past. And life being safer in the past. That's your rose-colored glasses filtering your memories of "how it used to be".
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You're all Southeasterners to me.
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Personally, part of the reason I don't see much of this is that if I see a rage situation developing I try not to be there any more. I either stop in a public place or I go over the horizon. Of course having the snout of a .45 poking out from under my jacket tends to help too.
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I stand by what I said and have never seen anything like that happen on the West coast, even in L.A, Seattle, or San Fran., but you proved your point in other parts of the country.
Taxi cabs doing it..........is that in NYC? If you do that on the West coast the car driver is automatically at fault and guilty. Don't know what the laws are back east but I have never ridden there and after seeing this have no desire to.
I've been told if you split lanes in the South(ridden there) you might get shot in the back. I believe it. When riding in the South we had more close calls than anywhere else by far. If I lived there I wouldn't ride.
It seems the drivers out West are more civilized.
Any further South and I'd be in the Gulf of Mexico!
I ride as often as I can.
I do wear an armored jacket and a helmet but I don't think either will stop a bullet.
Guess I am taking my life in my hands almost daily.
Dave
Galveston
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Only time I've had a gun pulled on me was unwittingly driving over(freeway) L.A. during the Watts Riot in the `70's.. A Cop pulls me over..........I get out of my car(not knowing you aren't supposed to do that) and suddenly I find myself pointing down the barrel of his pistol while he's standing behind his door! :shocked: I'll never do THAT again! I was driving my Volvo P-1800 to an autocross scheduled @ USC campus(right next to Watts). Wasn't familiar with the L.A. area at all.
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We had more close calls riding thru Lousiana. In Georgia I passed a car on a 2 lane road w/my car and the car driver got so pissed off he passed me back, and pulled over at first opportunity and wanted us to have a fist fight over it. :rolleyes: He was a redhead. In Florida you literally didn't know what some of the drivers were going to do/go next. :shocked: The most aggressive drivers(men or women) I've ever seen are around Salt Lake City, Utah.
Darn and I'm going to Lousiana Thursday!
Hope I survive to make it to Cedar Vale.
Dave
Galveston
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Darn and I'm going to Lousiana Thursday!
Hope I survive to make it to Cedar Vale.
Dave
Galveston
I've asked the turnip farmer about this and he says it's because car/truck drivers thereabouts know if there's an accident you're going to get hurt, not them. :shocked:
1 of our incidents was on our Convert. hack where 2 freeways meld together. We're in the left lane of our highway and this gravel trailer rig coming from the freeway integrating into our freeway on our right can plainly see us but still comes over.........pushes us off to the shoulder of our lane and takes our spot!! :thewife: There was no reason for him to do that other than spite.
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Darn and I'm going to Lousiana Thursday!
Hope I survive to make it to Cedar Vale.
Dave
Galveston
Cedar Vale , now there is a dangerous place to ride a motorcycle , or hell , even walk down the street . You are always running the risk of having a door opened... by a teenager as you enter the cafe or grocery store , or having the mayor insisting that ... you store a non-functioning motorbike in her garage . Dang place , the locals don't understand how to act at all .
Dusty