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Title: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: jdgretz on April 29, 2016, 12:52:09 AM
I came across this link today from a Facebook post and thought I should share it here.

Red Line 10w60 6-Pack for $21.31 - yep, that's $3.55 per quart.  I ordered three 6-packs for less than half of what I normally pay from Racer Parts Wholesale (roughly $13/qt).  Couldn't pass up that deal.

http://tinyurl.com/glym9g8 (http://tinyurl.com/glym9g8)

When the link was posted, it was $10/6-pack, but has since gone up to the $21.31 price as of 6pm PDT.

Time to stock up.

jdg
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: twowings on April 29, 2016, 06:17:16 AM
Snagged one...thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: old head on April 29, 2016, 06:48:08 AM
thx
I ordered some

Old Head
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: timonbik on April 29, 2016, 07:01:24 AM
I grabbed a couple.  Thanks for the heads up.
Cheers, Tim
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: dan407 on April 29, 2016, 07:19:13 AM
And they are sold out.
Just missed the last one.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: jrt on April 29, 2016, 07:37:54 AM
And now it's $78.  Ah, well.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: El Pescador on April 29, 2016, 08:21:59 AM
Does anyone know if it is the equivalent of this?

ENI i-RIDE PG RACING 10W-60

Same viscosity and SAE rating, but wondering about additives.  I'm looking for alternatives.  Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: blackcat on April 29, 2016, 08:24:12 AM
I just ordered 2 at $17.05 for 6 quarts.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: dxhall on April 29, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
This seems too good to be true.  I took a chance anyway and ordered two six-packs.  I'd like to hear if anyone receives their orders. 
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: sib on April 29, 2016, 08:55:13 AM
Does anyone know if it is the equivalent of this?

ENI i-RIDE PG RACING 10W-60

Same viscosity and SAE rating, but wondering about additives.  I'm looking for alternatives.  Thanks for your help.
To answer your question directly, it's NOT equivalent.  Although I know that some folks don't know or care about API service classes, I do care, since they reflect the amount of anti-wear additives.  The latest Redline 10W-60 is specified to be API service class SN/SM/SL/CF, whereas the eni i-RIDE oil is service class SG, a class with a higher amount of tappet wear reducing ZDDP.  More recent (higher letters) service classes have reduced ZDDP at the behest of auto makers who are concerned about the effect of ZDDP on the longevity of catalytic converters.  Take your pick, longer lasting tappets or longer lasting catalytic converters.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: drlapo on April 29, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
I ordered 2 at $17.05.
Sounds legitimate to me
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on April 29, 2016, 10:44:59 AM
To answer your question directly, it's NOT equivalent.  Although I know that some folks don't know or care about API service classes, I do care, since they reflect the amount of anti-wear additives.  The latest Redline 10W-60 is specified to be API service class SN/SM/SL/CF, whereas the eni i-RIDE oil is service class SG, a class with a higher amount of tappet wear reducing ZDDP.  More recent (higher letters) service classes have reduced ZDDP at the behest of auto makers who are concerned about the effect of ZDDP on the longevity of catalytic converters.  Take your pick, longer lasting tappets or longer lasting catalytic converters.

Yep.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: bigbikerrick on April 29, 2016, 11:00:12 AM
Thanks for the heads up, Man. Thats an awesome price! I just ordered 2 six packs at $17.05 each incl. shipping , comes out to $2.85 / qt.  Cheaper than  the rotella I usually use. I think this oil will be great in my hydro engined Cali, I think I will try to order a couple more , my son just told me to get some for his KTM.
Rick.
Title: Red Line Oil Synthetic Motor Oil 10W60 Pack of 6 Quarts for $17
Post by: LaGrasta on April 29, 2016, 11:00:47 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-Oil-Synthetic-Quarts/dp/B00CPAR57Y?ie=UTF8&ref_=cm_sw_r_fa_asp_Kib6L.98J3XQA

I just bought 5 cases!
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: Idontwantapickle on April 29, 2016, 11:03:04 AM
I hope it's legit,  I ordered 2 @17.05
And who doesn't love a good oil thread!!
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Red Line Oil Synthetic Motor Oil 10W60 Pack of 6 Quarts for $17
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on April 29, 2016, 11:11:36 AM
Uh... now says the price is $77.70. <shrug>
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: Lesman on April 29, 2016, 11:20:54 AM
The ship has sailed. It's $77.00
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: bigbikerrick on April 29, 2016, 11:26:22 AM
The ship has sailed. It's $77.00

Dang, I just ordered it for $17.05 about 15 minutes ago. But I noticed its a different seller that comes up on the link when you click on it.....Hmmm, I am not too savvy on how Amazon works.
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: bigbikerrick on April 29, 2016, 11:36:51 AM
I think I have this figgured out..... The seller that had it for $17.05 a case of six incl. shipping must have made a mistake. $17.05 is their price for ONE qt. of the 10-60, not for 6 qts. Will they honor the "typo" time will tell. The name of the seller is "Award Products" I got an email confirmation from Amazon for two separate orders of 12 quarts each for $34.10 shipped for a product that should cost $102.30? I doubt if they will fill the order at that price, but what do you, all think?
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: Cam3512 on April 29, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
Thanks for the heads up, Man. Thats an awesome price! I just ordered 2 six packs at $17.05 each incl. shipping , comes out to $2.85 / qt.  Cheaper than  the rotella I usually use. I think this oil will be great in my hydro engined Cali, I think I will try to order a couple more , my son just told me to get some for his KTM.
Rick.

Rick, you need 5W 40 in your hydro engine.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: LaGrasta on April 29, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
i orders 5 cases at $17 each. We'll see if it shows up.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: El Pescador on April 29, 2016, 04:43:56 PM
To answer your question directly, it's NOT equivalent.  Although I know that some folks don't know or care about API service classes, I do care, since they reflect the amount of anti-wear additives.  The latest Redline 10W-60 is specified to be API service class SN/SM/SL/CF, whereas the eni i-RIDE oil is service class SG, a class with a higher amount of tappet wear reducing ZDDP.  More recent (higher letters) service classes have reduced ZDDP at the behest of auto makers who are concerned about the effect of ZDDP on the longevity of catalytic converters.  Take your pick, longer lasting tappets or longer lasting catalytic converters.

Thank you very much for helping me understand the difference.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: rodekyll on April 29, 2016, 05:45:07 PM
That formula change is an important detail.  I hate it when they change a product's property sheet while keeping the same name.  When things like oil and paint are concerned, a change in formula should require a name change.   :angry:

The good news is that I'd started kicking myself for not opening this topic sooner.  But now that I know the stuff is NOT SG RATED I wouldn't use it anyway, so I feel better.  Chances were I'd have joined the feeding frenzy on the assumption that it was the same old (SG rated) stuff.   :shocked:
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on April 29, 2016, 05:49:07 PM
That formula change is an important detail.  I hate it when they change a product's property sheet while keeping the same name.  When things like oil and paint are concerned, a change in formula should require a name change.   :angry:

The good news is that I'd started kicking myself for not opening this topic sooner.  But now that I know the stuff is NOT SG RATED I wouldn't use it anyway, so I feel better.  Chances were I'd have joined the feeding frenzy on the assumption that it was the same old (SG rated) stuff.   :shocked:

<sigh> I agree. Redline used to be SG rated. All of it. The new 10-60 isn't.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on April 29, 2016, 07:22:08 PM
With extra zddp per red line
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: twowings on April 29, 2016, 07:22:54 PM
Is this a potential warranty violation?
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale on Amazon for $3.55/qt 4-28-16
Post by: bigbikerrick on April 30, 2016, 10:48:47 AM
Rick, you need 5W 40 in your hydro engine.
Hi Cam,thanks, my friend. Yes , I know thats what Guzzi specified, but I have run 20-50, 15-40,and also 10-60 to me it makes no difference in how the hydro motor runs or sounds. Its just buttery smooth, and eerily quiet, without any discernable valve noise.  I have been running the mobil 1 V twin lately,before that I used Amsoil 20-50 "harley oil" and its been great also. I wonder if the 5w 40 was specified when Guzzi was trying different "solutions"still trying to figgure out what made some of these engines fail, and then they just stayed with that recommendation?
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: blackcat on April 30, 2016, 04:55:14 PM
Product Description
  Red Line Oil #11704 Motor Oil, 10W60, Synthetic, 1 qt., Pack of 6.  R31-11704-6PK   Description: Red Line Motor Oils are designed to provide the highest degree of protection and cleanliness for your automotive, motorcycle, or marine engine. Red Line uses the most stable synthetic components available and formulate their products for wear protection across a wide range of engine operating conditions. Red Line lubricants are unique because they contain PE Polyol Ester base stocks, the only lubricants which can withstand the tremendous heat of modern jet engines. This high-temperature stability makes Red Line Motor Oil a necessity to properly lubricate a turbocharger or hot-running engine. The synthetic base stocks have a natural multigrade property, which means that large amounts of unstable polymeric thickeners, like those used in standard petroleum oils, are not required to manufacturer Red Line multigrades.Feature s:*Popular for newer BMW M-cars applications like E46 M3 and E60 M5*Recommended for API SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF and ACEA A3/B4
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Muzz on April 30, 2016, 07:48:08 PM
Product Description
 .Features:*Popular for newer BMW M-cars applications like E46 M3 and E60 M5*Recommended for API SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF and ACEA A3/B4

Usually they start off with the SG and work their way up. Saw some stuff advertised in a flyer a couple of days ago like that, went up from SG to SN; sadly it was completely the wrong viscosity. :cry:
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: boatdetective on April 30, 2016, 09:15:50 PM
Uh, is it me- or is this all a conspiracy to open another oil thread?  We must be ever vigilant.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: sib on May 01, 2016, 06:57:45 AM
Note that "Recommended for API SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF" does NOT mean that it is actually rated API SG.  This merely means that someone (in the sales department, probably) has "recommended" that it can be used instead of an API SG oil.  I would respectfully disagree with that recommendation.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: crock on May 01, 2016, 12:04:35 PM
Guys;

There are ingredients OTHER than ZDDP that are used to protect your tappets in modern oils, and they have been there for years! ZDDP was simply the cheapest ingredient found to work for protecting metals in older oils. The motor oil industry has moved on and found new ways to protect your engine's metal to metal contact points. In fact the newer additives replacing ZDDP work even better at protecting your engine when cold as well as when hot. You can easily use the latest specification Redline oil in engines with flat tappets. You do not need, or even want, ZDDP in your modern Redline oil. The science has moved on from ZDDP as an additive and you no longer need it.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: blackcat on May 01, 2016, 01:11:58 PM
Honestly, I'm not going to worry about it and if I'm the least bit curious I will call up Redline and talk to one of their reps. I can't believe they would represent this oil as being good for such usage if it wasn't true.

Anyway,"Your Amazon.com order of 2x "Red Line Oil 11704..." has shipped!", and I will get it at weeks end.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: rodekyll on May 01, 2016, 01:23:22 PM
Guys;

There are ingredients OTHER than ZDDP that are used to protect your tappets in modern oils, and they have been there for years! ZDDP was simply the cheapest ingredient found to work for protecting metals in older oils. The motor oil industry has moved on and found new ways to protect your engine's metal to metal contact points. In fact the newer additives replacing ZDDP work even better at protecting your engine when cold as well as when hot. You can easily use the latest specification Redline oil in engines with flat tappets. You do not need, or even want, ZDDP in your modern Redline oil. The science has moved on from ZDDP as an additive and you no longer need it.

Which is exactly why SG is still specified.   :rolleyes:

How are you qualified to make these statements?  I'm only asking because after a zillion oil threads, they still read like -- well -- a crock.  It's what I'd expect the SLICK-50 shill to argue -- a lot of meaningless buzz words and no content.  The counterman at the local Car Quest had much the same attitude -- "Oil is oil.  Ain't gonna order anything fancy or special when I gots a shelf full of perfectly good 0w-30 right over there.  This modern shit works on everything."  I can see Car Quest's soaped-over windows from my house.   :wink:
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: oldbike54 on May 01, 2016, 01:27:54 PM
 Sometimes the old standby stills works the best .

                                                               Ask for
                                                   Genuine yak fat additive

 Dusty
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Xlratr on May 01, 2016, 01:41:09 PM
I used to think that the higher the letter, the better the oil. But that is not necessarily true. "SG" is what goes in my Guzzis.

Over here it's only possible to get SG rated oil if it is a "special" application, which is why some brands have "racing oil" in their line up. 10-60 oil counts as a special application though, and that is why AGIP can put a relatively high level of ZDDP in it. I sometimes think that may be the main reason why Guzzi specifies it.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Wayne Orwig on May 01, 2016, 04:37:44 PM
Anyway,"Your Amazon.com order of 2x "Red Line Oil 11704..." has shipped!", and I will get it at weeks end.

But, will it be ONE quart, or SIX quarts as stated?

That is the question.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Arizona Wayne on May 01, 2016, 06:36:09 PM
Which is exactly why SG is still specified.   :rolleyes:

How are you qualified to make these statements?  I'm only asking because after a zillion oil threads, they still read like -- well -- a crock.  It's what I'd expect the SLICK-50 shill to argue -- a lot of meaningless buzz words and no content.  The counterman at the local Car Quest had much the same attitude -- "Oil is oil.  Ain't gonna order anything fancy or special when I gots a shelf full of perfectly good 0w-30 right over there.  This modern shit works on everything."  I can see Car Quest's soaped-over windows from my house.   :wink:



I don't have 1 of the newer more powerful Guzzis, but I do have Italian scooters that RECCOMEND 5W-40 synthetic oil.   ALL my vehicles get Walmart dino oil, 10W-40 or 20W-50 depending what is most appropriate if they are air or w/c or the ambient temp. they run in.  My Guzzis run in ages from `77 to `04.  The pre `90 models recommended SG oil? but now it's hard to find, so I just put in whatever rated car oil is popular now (SN).   Have had no motor cam/wear issues for 30 years.  I'm not saying you should run dino oil in your more modern, powerfuil Guzzis, it's just I think this ZDDP thing is overrated.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: blackcat on May 01, 2016, 07:20:30 PM
But, will it be ONE quart, or SIX quarts as stated?

That is the question.

In my case it is 12, and the email states that is the amount that was shipped.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on May 01, 2016, 07:25:43 PM
Quote
Typical Properties
10W30 10W40 20W50 20W60

You'll notice the 10-60 isn't included..
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: kirby1923 on May 01, 2016, 08:01:19 PM
You'll notice the 10-60 isn't included..


Ah..the plot thickens!

:-)

I was on the web site looking at gear oil and saw the tech page for oil?? should have known better to put it here.
But that begs a question...why drop the ZDDP content for the 10W60???
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: dan407 on May 01, 2016, 08:08:27 PM
You'll notice the 10-60 isn't included..

According to the Redline web site they don't make a 10-60 motorcycle oil.
The deal for the 10-60 oil was not  "motorcycle oil".

Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Shuckinator on May 01, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
I have a 2013 Stelvio and the factory oil spec is SG or higher.  I'm a product of the MS secondary education system but I'm pretty sure that the Redline 10w60 API service class of SN/SM/SL/has me covered.  I've been using Liqui-Moly 10w60 with a SL rating with no apparent problems (30K).  I bought 12 quarts of 10w60 (Thanks jdgretz :grin:) at the ~$44 price point. If in doubt add 5-6 oz of Redline Engine Oil Break-In Additive at $12.99 (http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=121&pcid=21) and you still have a little change to upgrade to Peroni. 
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: twowings on May 01, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
The Amazon webpage Product Description for the oil clearly states "highest degree of protection and cleanliness for your automotive, motorcycle, or marine engine".  If Amazon is using Redline's words to describe the product  or someone at Amazon wrote the product description AND the product is incorrectly described, i.e "We don't make a motorcycle oil" , then I will return it for a refund.  Amazon has never refused to accept a return on any item I've ever ordered that didn't satisfy my expectations. 
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Arizona Wayne on May 01, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
The Amazon webpage Product Description for the oil clearly states "highest degree of protection and cleanliness for your automotive, motorcycle, or marine engine".  If Amazon is using Redline's words to describe the product  or someone at Amazon wrote the product description AND the product is incorrectly described, i.e "We don't make a motorcycle oil" , then I will return it for a refund.  Amazon has never refused to accept a return on any item I've ever ordered that didn't satisfy my expectations.




If you're not sure, maybe you should find out what ingredients are in the oil you get before you reject  it.  Obviously you kissed off what I posted here earlier, but that's your choice.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: crock on May 01, 2016, 11:28:30 PM
You don't need motorcycle specific oil for a Moto Guzzi. By definition, motorcycle oil contains an additive package designed for engines which share oil with the gearbox and clutch. The Moto Guzzi does not share oil with the gearbox or clutch and therefore has no problem using car oil. In fact, car oil might actually work a little better than motorcycle oil.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Arizona Wayne on May 01, 2016, 11:43:11 PM
You don't need motorcycle specific oil for a Moto Guzzi. By definition, motorcycle oil contains an additive package designed for engines which share oil with the gearbox and clutch. The Moto Guzzi does not share oil with the gearbox or clutch and therefore has no problem using car oil. In fact, car oil might actually work a little better than motorcycle oil.



On that subject, I have a Suzuki VX800 V-twin that has used dino 10W-40 car oil for 84K miles and has never had a slipping clutch as some have claimed will happen.  It's valves never need to be adjusted as often as the factory claims either, which are adjusted just like on a Guzzi.  So what I am saying is don't automatically believe everything you are told.  :wink:
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Muzz on May 02, 2016, 12:28:48 AM
I have just looked up the Penrite Oil site and they make two full synthetic 10W60 oils. Both say they have the full zinc load. Both are PAO Ester 100% full synthetic. One is for cars, the other (recommended for the Breva) is MC4-ST and is specific for motorcycles.

They would know that the Breva has a dry clutch, so why not just recommend either for it?, unless of course there actually is a difference.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 02, 2016, 01:33:31 PM
I paid for 4 cases of the redline oil, for $17.05 a case, but they have not shipped it out yet. I am just wondering if any one else that got orders in at the cheap price has received a shipping confirmation e mail ? I kinda doubt if they will actually sell it at that price.
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on May 02, 2016, 01:36:16 PM
yes. the 2 cases I ordered at $17.05 have shipped via UPS
expected delivery on 5/5/16i am concerned that the shipping weight is only 5 pounds: seems light for 12 qts of oil.
is it only 2 qts????
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: blackcat on May 02, 2016, 01:52:41 PM
yes. the 2 cases I ordered at $17.05 have shipped via UPS
expected delivery on 5/5/16i am concerned that the shipping weight is only 5 pounds: seems light for 12 qts of oil.
is it only 2 qts????

Hmmm....the two cases that I ordered weighs 6 lbs.

"Scheduled Delivery Updated To:
Wednesday, 05/04/2016, By End of Day"

Well, I guess we will find out soon enough.

My order details says: "2 of Red Line Oil 11704 Synthetic Motor Oil 10W60 Pack of 6 Quarts"
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: dan407 on May 02, 2016, 02:04:55 PM
My order of 3 has shipped as well.

My order on Amazon clearly states that its a pack of 6 quarts for $17.05.
Amazon order information:     "3 of Red Line Oil 11704 Synthetic Motor Oil 10W60 Pack of 6 Quarts".


Question is did they ship 3 or 18 quarts.
I don't see the weight of the package anywhere, but it's coming UPS.

If it's 3 quarts back it goes.


Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Rotten Ralph on May 02, 2016, 02:27:10 PM
A quart of motor oil is real close to 2 lb - so X 6=12 lb +/-

Something doesn't add up. :huh:
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: twowings on May 02, 2016, 03:24:08 PM
"I don't have 1 of the newer more powerful Guzzis"

I do, so any speculation on your part is merely for your own amusement.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on May 02, 2016, 03:56:36 PM

Ah..the plot thickens!

:-)

I was on the web site looking at gear oil and saw the tech page for oil?? should have known better to put it here.
But that begs a question...why drop the ZDDP content for the 10W60???

It's a car oil. ZDDP kills catalytic converters, ergo, drop the level in car oil. BMW cars use it. Is it ok to use in your motorcycle? I imagine. Just the same on flat tappet Guzzi engines, I run only SG rated oils.
It looks like we now have a full blown oil thread..  :smiley:
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: timonbik on May 02, 2016, 05:01:07 PM
My 2 cases show as shipped, but we'll see how many quarts show up. 
Cheers, Tim
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on May 02, 2016, 05:13:22 PM
I've used "car" oil in my BMW and Triumphs for 35+ years without an oil related failure.  All are flat tappet engines.
Am I just a lucky guy?
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: leafman60 on May 02, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
Experts disagree about oil for vintage and flat tappet motors.

Racing oil has more ZDDP but lacks other additives that help street engines....

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/0702sr-engine-oil/

A few excerpts:

Matthew Ansari: Although zinc has been reduced, other effective anti-wear compounds are being substituted, although they are more expensive.

Cameron Evans: Racing oils should never be run in a street engine. Our 30WT Race oil (which is a 10W-30 multi-grade that carries that name in regard to its viscosity at its usual operating temp) differs from our 10W-30 motor oil mostly via a lack of detergent. Racers change their oil much more often and are looking for maximum lubricity, so the detergents that add to engine cleanliness and keep contaminants in suspension are left out for the most part.

Cameron Evans: Early synthetic products justifiably got a bad rap for causing leaks, but that is no longer the case, especially for an ester oil like Red Line that promotes seal swell.


.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 02, 2016, 06:59:38 PM
I think each case should weigh a little north of 12 lbs.
                                                            :popcorn:

                                                          Rick.














Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: jim_W on May 02, 2016, 08:34:25 PM
Does not look good. I ordered three 6 packs and the UPS tracking site shows 8 pounds.  Guess it will go back.

If it looks too good to be true, it probably is................. .......... :sad:
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: old head on May 03, 2016, 06:51:50 AM
mine should arrive today, UPS site says 5 lbs for shipment.

Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: dan407 on May 03, 2016, 07:11:15 AM
Does not look good. I ordered three 6 packs and the UPS tracking site shows 8 pounds.  Guess it will go back.

If it looks too good to be true, it probably is................. .......... :sad:

Your lucky.

My order of three  6 packs is only 7 pounds.
I think I'm getting 2 1/2 quarts.

Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: dan407 on May 03, 2016, 11:13:15 AM
Hi,

Last week I placed an ordered for Three 6 packs of oil and was  charged $51.21 on my credit card.

I just got a notification from Amazon that they are issuing a credit for $51.21 on my account.
Reason given is "Account Adjustment".


And UPS has a shipment coming my way.


Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Idontwantapickle on May 03, 2016, 11:52:57 AM
Too weird.
Tracking shows it on the way, probably by tomorrow.
Weight is too low to be 6 qts of any liquid.
Order page shows a refund.
Interesting.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 03, 2016, 12:00:10 PM
Guys;

There are ingredients OTHER than ZDDP that are used to protect your tappets in modern oils, and they have been there for years! ZDDP was simply the cheapest ingredient found to work for protecting metals in older oils. The motor oil industry has moved on and found new ways to protect your engine's metal to metal contact points. In fact the newer additives replacing ZDDP work even better at protecting your engine when cold as well as when hot. You can easily use the latest specification Redline oil in engines with flat tappets. You do not need, or even want, ZDDP in your modern Redline oil. The science has moved on from ZDDP as an additive and you no longer need it.
I have an uncle in New Joisey, works for Exxon chemical company, tribologist/chemist specializing in dispersants in motor oil. ( he has a few patents) and he said exactly  what was said above.
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: sib on May 03, 2016, 12:28:37 PM
I have an uncle in New Joisey, works for Exxon chemical company, tribologist/chemist specializing in dispersants in motor oil. ( he has a few patents) and he said exactly  what was said above.
Rick.
Maybe your uncle can explain why the oil specified by Moto Guzzi for the V7II, eni i-Ride 10W60, is rated API SG instead of "can be used where SG is specified".
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: rodekyll on May 03, 2016, 12:41:52 PM
Maybe he can explain what "meets or exceeds" means.  I've been told it means "more".  I've also been told that oil is made by specific recipes.  If my soup recipe calls for a teaspoon of salt, a cup of water, and to cook at 350 for an hour, do I "meet or exceed" the quality of the recipe by using a cup of salt, a gallon of water and cooking at 700 for half an hour? 
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Dilliw on May 03, 2016, 01:04:43 PM
Maybe your uncle can explain why the oil specified by Moto Guzzi for the V7II, eni i-Ride 10W60, is rated API SG instead of "can be used where SG is specified".

According to David Rinefierd at ENI USA this oil is same as the old AGIP 4T but now also carries the JASO MA2 endorsement.  So if your book says ENI i Ride or AGIP 4T it is the same specification since it's the same oil.  I haven't seen the V7 II service manual but  there are two other statements that are in the other models' US editions:

1. USE HIGH QUALITY 10W-60 OIL

2. SAE 10W - 60 As an alternative to the recommended oils, you can also use brand name oils with performance that meets or exceeds the CCMC G-4 A.P.I. SG. standards.

I think we've jumped that shark

Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on May 03, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
I received a refund from Amazon for the entire order amount.
I won't be getting 12 qts of oil or any at all.
It was a mistake
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Wayne Orwig on May 03, 2016, 01:26:38 PM
I received a refund from Amazon for the entire order amount.
I won't be getting 12 qts of oil or any at all.
It was a mistake

Just got the refund. But I also am getting tracking details.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 03, 2016, 01:27:13 PM
Wow, this is really getting weird! I got a tracking update , from UPS, the oil is out on the truck, for delivery today( couldnt find the package weight) , and then I get am email from Amazon, stating that they processed a refund for $34. What the heck  is going on? I copied and pasted the email they sent me...see below:

Item: Red Line Oil 11704 Synthetic Motor Oil 10W60 Pack of 6 Quarts
Quantity: 2
ASIN: B00CPAR57Y
Reason for refund: Account adjustment

Here's the breakdown of your refund for this item:

Item Refund: $34.10

We'll apply your refund to the following payment method(s):

AmericanExpress Credit Card: $34.10

We've processed a refund for the above order in the amount of $34.10. The refund should appear on your account in 2-3 days if issued to a credit card.
Refunds issued to a bank account typically take 7-10 days to reflect on the account balance.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: twowings on May 03, 2016, 01:31:17 PM
Just to add to the weirdness....my UPS tracking account states that the 3lb. package (kinda light for 6 quarts) was "turned over to Local Post Office"...the seller was WesterPowerSports.. ..and the delivery date was pushed out to May 5-10....who knows  LOL
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 03, 2016, 01:37:04 PM
I received a refund from Amazon for the entire order amount.
I won't be getting 12 qts of oil or any at all.
It was a mistake

DrLapo, did you get any tracking/shipping emails from Amazon? I noticed you were one of the guys that placed your order early in the game, what seller did you purchase from n Amazon? I see a few different sellers there.
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 03, 2016, 01:45:09 PM
I just checked the weight on the package thats out for delivery today, and its 6 lbs.  Hmmm thats weird, should be 12 quarts of oil,  which should weigh about 24 lbs...The mystery should be solved here in a couple of hours when ups makes their rounds....will let you all know.
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on May 03, 2016, 01:45:27 PM
The UPS tracking number is no longer valid.  I don't think the package ever reached UPS
The seller was Award Products
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: oldbike54 on May 03, 2016, 01:48:14 PM
 Hmm , sounds like Piaggio has taken over Red Line  :shocked: :rolleyes:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: old head on May 03, 2016, 01:53:32 PM
just got mine, 2 bottles not 2 cases.

am calling amazon to send back

Old Head
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: timonbik on May 03, 2016, 02:36:40 PM
I noticed that my shipping weight for 2 cases is 5.5 pounds.  Rather light for 3 gallons of oil.  Anyone one insist that Amazon just complete the order by sending the outstanding quarts.  Seems to me would cost more to send the received quarts back than they are worth.  It is their error so they should make it right!!!
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 03, 2016, 03:40:37 PM
Yep, Award Products is the seller I dealt with also.
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on May 03, 2016, 03:41:23 PM
I checked with UPS.
They have a package for me to be delivered tomorrow.
I'm getting full refund from Amazon so am I getting 2 qts of oil free?
I'll check my credit card activity.
This could be a royal pain in the rear
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Karl Von on May 03, 2016, 03:55:51 PM
I ordered 12 quarts and just received a email issuing me a full refund ($34) saying the reason for the refund was "customer return" ?
But tacking says my order is scheduled for delivery tomorrow (5lbs).  So I guess I got 2 free qts ?
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: twowings on May 03, 2016, 04:28:13 PM
Hmmmm...my order of 6 Quarts became 1...new math? :undecided: :rolleyes: :undecided:

Claim filed with Amazon... :popcorn:
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Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on May 03, 2016, 05:52:56 PM
My Momma used to be a high wire walker in the circus. (Seriously) She tole me, "If it sounds too good to be true, it no doubt is. If somebody says they can double your money, the only way do do that is to fold it in your billfold and keep it in your pocket.  :smiley:
Hopefully, this is all just a balls up by an Amazon seller, not a "Hey Rube!"
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 03, 2016, 07:06:05 PM
I am in the same boat, got 2 quarts instead of 2 cases of six each.  this happened twice, I got a second order of 2 more quarts. weird thing is the supposedly gave me a refund for the $34.10 to my Amex card  twice. I was going to contact Amazon but got a screen that stated since the seller gave me a full refund, I have no recourse, or something like that. I dont feel"right" keeping 4 quarts of oil that I didnt pay for......I guess all I can do is contact the seller and see if he wants them back......
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Idontwantapickle on May 03, 2016, 07:54:41 PM
Maybe it's all a big ruse to destroy our engines by a surplus connecting rod salesman.  :evil:
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: old head on May 04, 2016, 06:11:30 AM

from Powersports

We have contacted the warehouse to get you an MRA #
(Return Authorization #) for the return. Once we have that MRA #
back from the warehouse we will forward that to you right away.
The Return Information will contain all the necessary information
and steps for returning the product so that you receive your credit
in a timely fashion. Thank you for being a Valued Customer as we
truly appreciate your business.

in my email this morning

Old head
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on May 04, 2016, 08:35:35 AM
although Amazon advised they will issue a credit to my card that transaction has not yet been posted.
I'll be watching my account closely
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: old head on May 04, 2016, 10:39:04 AM
just got a return shipping email, but I responded that I shouldn't have to pay for their mistake.  requested a prepaid shipping label

Old Head
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: twowings on May 04, 2016, 11:14:07 AM
Just got response to my email requesting refund for missing 5 quarts or Return Authorization:

"Unfortunately this was a listing error that we have removed from amazon, This is only for 1 quart of oil not a pack of 6 so i have issued you a full refund with no returned needed. You should see that back in your account within 1-3 business days."
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on May 04, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
"No return needed"
Free oil!!!!
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: twowings on May 04, 2016, 03:50:17 PM
Does anyone want to buy a quart of Redline 10W-60 for $10.00 +shipping??   :cool: LOL
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: bigbikerrick on May 04, 2016, 04:06:04 PM
"No return needed"
Free oil!!!!

Same here, I just checked with my credit card co. they issued 2 refunds refund for $34.10, and they dont want the 4 quarts of oil back.
weird, but I guess they are just cutting their losses, since they refunded the purchase, they cant be "dogged" through Amazon to fulfill the order  of 24qt @ $2.85 /qt shipped!  24 quarts at 17.05 =$409.  $409- $68.20=$340.80 
Kinda like an "out of court settlement" I guess... :grin:
Rick.
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: drlapo on May 05, 2016, 01:24:58 PM
The credit has shown up in my card account so thanks for the free oil
And "thanks for all the fish"
Title: Re: Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread
Post by: Wayne Orwig on May 05, 2016, 02:07:58 PM
I wish I had ordered 24 qts. I could at least do one oil change. :laugh: