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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chuck in Indiana on May 13, 2016, 03:22:12 PM
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Pushed out the Aero Lario and was getting suited up to go use up the last of the rear tire. That's two for the Aero engine. :evil: :smiley:
It just struck me. Dang! That's a good looking Sport touring bike. :thumb:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7467/26389046084_4398ec572c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GcUL2b)2016-05-13_04-15-39 (https://flic.kr/p/GcUL2b) by Charles Stottlemyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/107188298@N06/), on Flickr
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:thumb:
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That is sexy
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Yes it is. Needs some BLACK gators though.
:grin:
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My friend Chuck completes his conversion of a Moto Guzzi Lario 4v 650 into a Moto Guzzi Lario 2v 750 Hemi / Aero. The engine came from a drone that ran two Moto Guzzi 750 engines. :popcorn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ql0a-l7mAI
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That's fabulous.
Would love to see Guzzi do this on the V9 platform.
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:thumb: :thumb: :bow:
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That will never go out of style or I would guess fun. Wonderful project you completed there Chuck. Enjoy! :thumb:
GliderJohn
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looks like a one and only that Guzzi shoulda built.
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That's fabulous.
Would love to see Guzzi do this on the V9 platform.
Thanks, Seth. :smiley: I was hoping the long rumored new Le Mans would be a V9.. not that there it anything wrong with the Roamer and Bobber.. but I was bitterly disappointed at the time. I would have pried open my wallet for one. :grin:
I'm over it, though, and love the Aero Lario, warts and all. It's a keeper.
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Way to go Chuck! unique and beautiful bike!
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Thats beautiful, Chuck! The bags look great on that bike. Congratulations on the completion of such a sweet project. :bow:
I kinda dig the red gaiters! :thumb:
Rick
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The bags look great. Makes it a much more versatile machine.
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VERY nice!
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Geez Chuck, what's next, a trailer hitch? :evil:
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Is that coming to OR?
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Is that coming to OR?
No, I'm bringing the carnivorous insect MZ. Then, we'll continue to the coast, and ride down to Redondo Beach, (always have wanted to do that) leave it there, and bring the Mighty Scura back to Indiana. I don't get to play with the Scura enough, and have always felt guilty letting it sit, rust, and corrode. The Skorpion is a *great* handling bike, and will be fine in the canyons. And.... I don't care about it. :evil: :smiley:
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I thought maybe you would change your mind over last year. Bummer. :-0
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I thought maybe you would change your mind over last year. Bummer. :-0
Nope, when I saw that MZ in a pile..cheap..not running, apart, ran when parked etc. :smiley: I thought, "Perfect. I've read of their handling prowess although I've never seen one. It'll be fine in California." It will be.
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:bow: :bow: :bow:
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The Skorpion has got to be a great ride in the Malibu Hills.
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Chuck, do you need another son??? I could live in the garage...with the bikes....:wink:
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Chuck, do you need another son??? I could live in the garage...with the bikes....:wink:
That really *is* a nice compliment, but sadly.. there's no place to pee in the Guzzi Garage. (tm) :smiley:
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Chuck,
Nice bike!!
What size are those bags? Do they mount the same way as my larger bags? I was thinking about something a little thinner than what's on my EVT.
Thanks,
Tom
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Chuck,
Nice bike!!
What size are those bags? Do they mount the same way as my larger bags? I was thinking about something a little thinner than what's on my EVT.
Thanks,
Tom
Thanks! They're the 30 liter bags, interchangeable with your 40s, as far as I know.
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The 40's use the same mounts as the 30's. Even though their theft proof to most people. They can still be yanked off the mounts with some effort. Best to remove the bags if on the bike overnight in a sketchy area.
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30Ltr, might have to look for a set of those. The 40's feel like I'm going to whack a car every time I have to work my may through traffic.
Thanks!
Tom
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I wonder how they managed to NOT put that engine in a production motorbike! It looks so right!
Very nice Chuck.
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I wonder how they managed to NOT put that engine in a production motorbike! It looks so right!
Very nice Chuck.
Thanks. From the very first time I rode it I thought the same. When the Kid took it out the first time, he came back and said, "Guzzi screwed up, didn't they?" :smiley:
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Beautiful sport tourer....if the new v9 would have been this,it would be in my garage.Did you ever get this on the dyno? I know in the other thread you were talking to a local guy,and just wondered if it ever happened?
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(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/aero%20engine/th_20150829_112744_zpsfnngo2io.mp4) (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/elwood59/aero%20engine/20150829_112744_zpsfnngo2io.mp4)
Yeah, I was looking for mixture to make sure I wasn't going to blow it up. He stuck sniffers in both exhausts and did a run. He said he'd never seen a carb bike do so well. I'd rather be lucky than good. :smiley:
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Imagine the V9 motive package in something like that with a perimeter type frame a-la Griso, a reactive, rising rate rear suspension system and real 21'st century forks?
Now imagine it with a Hi-Cam, 8V top end, sensible wheels and tyres.
Gimme 75-80 HP, a torque curve like a VW beetle bonnet and a reasonable weight and I couldn't shit enough coin to get one in the garage!
Pete
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Imagine the V9 motive package in something like that with a perimeter type frame a-la Griso, a reactive, rising rate rear suspension system and real 21'st century forks?
Now imagine it with a Hi-Cam, 8V top end, sensible wheels and tyres.
Gimme 75-80 HP, a torque curve like a VW beetle bonnet and a reasonable weight and I couldn't shit enough coin to get one in the garage!
Pete
Yeah, my Skorpion is pretty much that, minus the Guzzi drivetrain. It's a remarkably good handling bike, but the powerplant is boring.
After all, the Ippogriffo prototype of the mid to late 90s was world class at the time, and they didn't build it. Who knows what goes on in the mind of Guzzi? :smiley:
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Thing is the CARC, while heavy, is considerably lighter than the V11 final drive package which is what the Ippo was going to use.
Look at the Ippo and you can see it's essentially the four shaft V11 box and final drive mated to a Hemi-head smallblock. While that ticked all the right boxes WRT parts communality it made bugger all sense in terms of manufacturing economy or performance.
Put simply, everything behind the motor was far too f***ing big!
I'm not suggesting that a CARC rear end on a smallblock, (At least the current one!) would be any different. It would be gross over-engineering! But a variant scaled down and used with a modern frame and suspension would, at least with me, make a bit of wee escape!
Pete
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Yep... You did an excellent job on her.
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Yep... You did an excellent job on her.
Thanks, but as Pete says.. it is an antique motorcycle. It's a *lot* of fun, though, and does well for what it is. I haven't gotten around to putting a "real" fork brace on it, but I will. Pete's (and my) problem with the new Roamer and Bobber is that they really aren't any more "modern" than the 80s Lario. I was hoping for a V9 LeMans, not just a rehash of what they've been doing since the early 80s. <shrug>
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Thanks, but as Pete says.. it is an antique motorcycle. It's a *lot* of fun, though, and does well for what it is. I haven't gotten around to putting a "real" fork brace on it, but I will. Pete's (and my) problem with the new Roamer and Bobber is that they really aren't any more "modern" than the 80s Lario. I was hoping for a V9 LeMans, not just a rehash of what they've been doing since the early 80s. <shrug>
Exactly. But it doesn't matter how often you say it the response is always a huge pyroclastic flow of dim-witted, trolling absurdity! Be it from those who think the world stopped before the first 747 flew commercially or those who want Guzzi to simply be a refference point to that non existant epoch!
GAKK!
Pete
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"pyroclastic" :) As usual, your command of the Queen's English overpowers mine.. :thumbs:
Emoticons just quit working on chrome again..
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Exactly. But it doesn't matter how often you say it the response is always a huge pyroclastic flow of dim-witted, trolling absurdity! Be it from those who think the world stopped before the first 747 flew commercially or those who want Guzzi to simply be a refference point to that non existant epoch!
GAKK!
Pete
There's no right or wrong when it comes to motorcycle design and specification. It's just a question of preference and personal taste. Some people like cruisers, others like sport bikes. Some like hi tech, others like classic. And why not?
I think that a V9 Le Mans would probably be a very nice motorcycle but it doesn't mean it would be "better" than a V9 Roamer.
The V9 is "for me" a well designed motorcycle at an attractive price point. It appeals "to me" and I like to think that doesn't necessarily make me dimwitted or a luddite ;-).
People waiting for a sportier Guzzi may of course be disappointed, and I hope for them that one will come. Then we can all be happy! :-)
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There's no right or wrong when it comes to motorcycle design and specification. It's just a question of preference and personal taste. Some people like cruisers, others like sport bikes. Some like hi tech, others like classic. And why not?
I think that a V9 Le Mans would probably be a very nice motorcycle but it doesn't mean it would be "better" than a V9 Roamer.
The V9 is "for me" a well designed motorcycle at an attractive price point. It appeals "to me" and I like to think that doesn't necessarily make me dimwitted or a luddite ;-).
People waiting for a sportier Guzzi may of course be disappointed, and I hope for them that one will come. Then we can all be happy! :-)
Well, maybe Pete *did* go a little overboard with his vent, but how else are you going to work pyroclastic flow into a sentence? :smiley: <shrug>
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...but how else are you going to work pyroclastic flow into a sentence? :smiley: <shrug>
Good point! :-)
And maybe Pete just needs to ride one and then tell us what he REALLY thinks about it! ;-)
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I have ridden one. My first Guzzi was one, it was called a V50-II! This is the thing, in chassis terms so little has changed between then and now I know that the *New* models will behave very similarly to the *Old* models apart from the fact they now have stupid wheel and tyre sizes that are there for stylistic purposes and will make them handle worse!
Pete
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I have ridden one. My first Guzzi was one, it was called a V50-II! This is the thing, in chassis terms so little has changed between then and now I know that the *New* models will behave very similarly to the *Old* models apart from the fact they now have stupid wheel and tyre sizes that are there for stylistic purposes and will make them handle worse!
Pete
Yeah, honestly, I think the 500 cc Monza would be the equal of one. I guess the people that buy the new V7 really don't care, though, and that's fine with me as long as it keeps Guzzi afloat. Speaking of floating.. how about that bat sickle barge? :smiley: :boozing:
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I have ridden one. My first Guzzi was one, it was called a V50-II! This is the thing, in chassis terms so little has changed between then and now I know that the *New* models will behave very similarly to the *Old* models apart from the fact they now have stupid wheel and tyre sizes that are there for stylistic purposes and will make them handle worse!
Pete
That's like saying a modern car won't handle any better than an 80s model because they all have 4 wheels and 4 shock absorbers. I didn't read any comments about vintage style handling in the V9 reviews so far. But I'll wait and see before coming to my own conclusions.
But that's not the point I was making. The V9 may not be "your" motorbike Pete, but it may well be exactly what "somebody else" has been waiting for. The visual properties of a motorcycle are very important to a lot of people, and if somebody likes fat tyres, well that's fine too...! . There is no right or wrong, but the commercial success or otherwise will indicate to what extent the tastes of the target customer have been met. I like the V9, it appeals to me, and I think maybe to a lot of other people too. I hope so anyway.
"I" think it's a cool motorbike.
Sorry Chuck, this is your Bagger thread! Didn't want to turn it into another V9 love/hate thing!
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Sorry Chuck, this is your Bagger thread! Didn't want to turn it into another V9 love/hate thing!
No problem, John. :smiley:
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That's like saying a modern car won't handle any better than an 80s model because they all have 4 wheels and 4 shock absorbers. I didn't read any comments about vintage style handling in the V9 reviews so far. But I'll wait and see before coming to my own conclusions.
But that's not the point I was making. The V9 may not be "your" motorbike Pete, but it may well be exactly what "somebody else" has been waiting for. The visual properties of a motorcycle are very important to a lot of people, and if somebody likes fat tyres, well that's fine too...! . There is no right or wrong, but the commercial success or otherwise will indicate to what extent the tastes of the target customer have been met. I like the V9, it appeals to me, and I think maybe to a lot of other people too. I hope so anyway.
"I" think it's a cool motorbike.
If you've ridden a modern smallblock John you'll know how mediocre the stock suspension is. In a lot of ways the suspension on a V50 was better! :grin: Really though if they sell by the boatload that's fine, I have zero problem with that. I just resent that Guzzi is seemingly being relegated to being the manufacturer of only cruisers and stylised accessories.
Pete
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Pushed out the Aero Lario and was getting suited up to go use up the last of the rear tire. That's two for the Aero engine. :evil: :smiley:
It just struck me. Dang! That's a good looking Sport touring bike. :thumb:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7467/26389046084_4398ec572c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GcUL2b)2016-05-13_04-15-39 (https://flic.kr/p/GcUL2b) by Charles Stottlemyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/107188298@N06/), on Flickr
"It just struck me..." Yea sure Chuck! Like you haven't been lusting after its well defined, athletic, yet clearly sensuous lines for weeks! You are a gratuitous pig, and you flaunt your sexy steed at us as if we were mere teenagers, stuck in old lady Sherman's English class for the afternoon!
Enjoy you Dick bastard!! :kiss:
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Too bad Guzzi doesn't take note.
What an offering that would make.
Todd.
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Too bad Guzzi doesn't take note.
What an offering that would make.
Todd.
It's a bit hard to make out from the spare parts pages but it looks to me like it would be possible to take a 'Bobber' or 'Roamer' and put 'Baby Breva' wheels on it without too many problems. The wheel mounting and drive system looks very similar. If you could do that you'd get the benefit of modern tyre profiles without the 'Fairground Attraction' look of the factory offerings. Then as long as you can live with a compratively small tank and the rather rudimentary suspension you'd be very close to what Chuck has but with the wonderfully simple MUIG-3 control system.
Pete
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but it looks to me like it would be possible to take a 'Bobber' or 'Roamer' and put 'Baby Breva' wheels on it without too many problems. The wheel mounting and drive system looks very similar. If you could do that you'd get the benefit of modern tyre profiles without the 'Fairground Attraction' look of the factory offerings.
Pete
No, ya can't have it to experiment with Pete! :evil:
Chuck, that is one stunningly gorgeous bike. An absolute credit to your vision and ingenuity. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Well, as it happens I'm looking at buying a Baby Breva so that Michael doesn't have to keep riding the 'Gayest Bike in the Vilage', (An aquamarine KLR 250!) as the B750 is 'Learner Approved'.
If that happens the real temptation is to buy a V9, throw the crap bits I hate away and build what the factory won't! Real front forks, a cantilever rear end, (Not going to force the issue and go rising rate.) and real wheels. When Michael can ride his Griso I can canibalise the Breva for *Almost Modern* parts!
Trevor's CV joint conversion idea made a bit of wee come out!
Should be ready just about the time the Griso gets too heavy for me! :evil:
Pete
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I await with interest. :thumb:
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Well..uh...Chad.. Thanks, I think. :weiner: Todd, Muzz, Thanks! :smiley:
Pete..
Trevor's CV joint conversion idea made a bit of wee come out!
Me, too. Cool idea. It *appears* that we will have to build our own sporty Guzzis. I hope not.
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allow me to pile on a bit.
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man, did this bike sound good on that dyno video...
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Thanks, Kip! When I took it out for the first ride, I pulled out on the highway, gave it a lot of throttle to get the ring's attention, :smiley: and backed off to oil the cylinder walls. The sound right then.. as Pete says, made a little wee come out. :smiley: It *is* a bitchin engine, and gives me a grin every time I light it off.
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Thanks, Kip! When I took it out for the first ride, I pulled out on the highway, gave it a lot of throttle to get the ring's attention, :smiley: and backed off to oil the cylinder walls. The sound right then.. as Pete says, made a little wee come out. :smiley: It *is* a bitchin engine, and gives me a grin every time I light it off.
sure that wasn't just the wound weeping?
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sure that wasn't just the wound weeping?
Naw, that was before all the spots of bother. :smiley:
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I gotta wonder......wouldn't a V9 with the Lario bodywork be a goal to work toward? As Pete says it's just a rehash. But when life give you lemons, make a Lemans! :grin:
Hunter
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make a Lemans! :grin:
I TOLE them to do that, but did they listen? Noooo.. :smiley:
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..... the real temptation is to buy a V9, throw the crap bits I hate away and build what the factory won't! ..
That actually sounds like a great project Pete. :thumb:
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That actually sounds like a great project Pete. :thumb:
Need I say :1: ?
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Baggers.. meh. It used to be that I could take the bolt out of the left shock, rotate it back, pull the axle, and the wheel would fall out. Now that it has bags, the mounts intefere with doing that. I need to take out two more bolts that hold the caliper on. :rolleyes: Still, the Lario is the easiest motorcycle to do maintenance on I've ever had.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/26986821122_3394dd185d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H7JvHm)2016-05-17_06-45-45 (https://flic.kr/p/H7JvHm) by Charles Stottlemyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/107188298@N06/), on Flickr
Normally, I balance the bare wheel and if the new tire has a dot, put it at the valve stem. I actually ordered new *red* valve stems to mess with Lucky Phil, but they were the wrong color of red. :smiley: Went with chrome. Maybe that will do it.. <shrug>
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allow me to pile on a bit.
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/moto%20guzzi%20misc/056566af-7c09-4c4e-8d65-c330afc70016_zpssszemfol.jpg) (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/tiokimo/media/moto%20guzzi%20misc/056566af-7c09-4c4e-8d65-c330afc70016_zpssszemfol.jpg.html)
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/moto%20guzzi%20misc/15CC7DF2-2223-4BCB-8F68-10F729BD2944_zps6ukiid4p.jpg) (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/tiokimo/media/moto%20guzzi%20misc/15CC7DF2-2223-4BCB-8F68-10F729BD2944_zps6ukiid4p.jpg.html)
man, did this bike sound good on that dyno video...
You can tell these pics were taken in Indiana, where else are you going to see grown motorcycle pilots wearing Overalls!!! :azn:
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You can tell these pics were taken in Indiana, where else are you going to see grown motorcycle pilots wearing Overalls!!! :azn:
Ok Chad.. remember.. you asked for it.
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......The sound right then.. as Pete says, made a little wee come out. :smiley: It *is* a bitchin engine, and gives me a grin every time I light it off.
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is what it is all about, period!
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Baggers.. meh. It used to be that I could take the bolt out of the left shock, rotate it back, pull the axle, and the wheel would fall out. Now that it has bags, the mounts intefere with doing that. I need to take out two more bolts that hold the caliper on. :rolleyes: Still, the Lario is the easiest motorcycle to do maintenance on I've ever had.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/26986821122_3394dd185d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H7JvHm)2016-05-17_06-45-45 (https://flic.kr/p/H7JvHm) by Charles Stottlemyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/107188298@N06/), on Flickr
Normally, I balance the bare wheel and if the new tire has a dot, put it at the valve stem. I actually ordered new *red* valve stems to mess with Lucky Phil, but they were the wrong color of red. :smiley: Went with chrome. Maybe that will do it.. <shrug>
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Guess I'm not following why you took the shock bolt out or caliper bolts off. I just pulled my rear wheel by loosening the two pinch bolts and take the axle nut off. Axle slides right out and wheel is off. The brakes stay put as well as the shocks. Easy peasy
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You must have a really skinny tire on there, dawg..
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You must have a really skinny tire on there, dawg..
On my V7's, I've found that deflating the tire helps get the tire past.
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On my V7's, I've found that deflating the tire helps get the tire past.
Tried that on the Monza.. had to pull the rear drive. (!) No big deal, of course, and let me have a look at the splines and put some goo on them.
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You must have a really skinny tire on there, dawg..
120/80 Pirelli
Where's your problem? I have no rear fender and slightly taller shocks, otherwise stock. 2 minute job.
I put a board under the wheel while on the centerstand, draw out the axle and the wheel comes straight down and out. Not getting why there's finagling on yours. You must have to tilt yours??
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120/90 is stock, and that 10mm makes a considerable difference. I used to be able to swing the left shock back and drop the wheel out the bottom. Can't do that with the bag mounts. The tire hits the shock and caliper. No big deal, gives me a chance to look at the pads. Actually need to order some, they have 11000 on them.
I went with a 120/80 Avon Roadrider this time. It went in much easier than the other came out. :smiley:
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Oh, BTW, Kevin.. you're running the MT75 Blast tires aren't you? How do you like them?
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Oh, BTW, Kevin.. you're running the MT75 Blast tires aren't you? How do you like them?
MT 75 yes. Very planted.