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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Moto Fugazzi on May 29, 2016, 09:14:27 PM
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Some jackass just started his HD with full throttle and straight pipes merely inches away from people on the street outside of the bar I was at. A bunch of people jumped and yelled at the sudden noise. Dude on the bike started laughing, then a lit cigarette was thrown at him. Then 2 more. He quickly rode off before others got to him. I guess people in Milwaukee are sick of straight pipes! I'm not sure what to make of this.
Ken
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He should have calmly explained how many lives he was saving :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Flatulent pipes lose rights.
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If loud pipes save lives, why don't they offer insurance discounts on them?
Ken
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Loud pipes draw butts.
Todd.
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He should have calmly explained how many lives he was saving :rolleyes:
Dusty
:thumb:
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$500.00 loud pipes and a $25.00 helmet. That's safety!
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The snowmobile industry started self policing the aftermarket exhaust makers because landowners were sick of hearing illegal pipes on sleds in the middle of the night. What would happen is the land owners would not permit the trail to cross their property the next year and that really screwed things up. The industry was worried about losing the sport to noise. The loud bike crowd is gonna get hit harder by towns with patio restaurants enacting noise ordnances.
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I thought you guys liked character :evil:
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I was at a Sam's Club gas station in norCal a couple years ago and a Harley owner started his MC after filling up w/gas. It was SO LOUD I JUMPED !! :rolleyes: So when I filled up my VX800 Suzuki with gas I made sure he & his wife got their earful with it's loud high rpm pipes !! :tongue: Since I don't live there I didn't care what all the other customers there thought.
I put medium loud pipes on my 750 Breva and I like it that way, especially on a freeway. Nobody can say they didn't know I was close unless they're deaf. :thumb:
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I never got the load pipe argument until recently. I knew a bike was close, do to the fact I could here it.Turns out it was directly behind me, hidden by the separation between the two rear windows of my work van. I could not believe when that bike swerved just enough to become visible in my rear view mirror. I have since been re thinking the whole concept. I do now believe that hearing a MC could be just as important as seeing one from a safety perspective. My 2 cents.
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So make an automatic circuit that beeps your horn once a second..
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$500.00 loud pipes and a $25.00 helmet. That's safety!
He wasn't wearing a helmet. I'm sure he spent that $25 on drinks before he rode off.
Ken
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He wasn't wearing a helmet. I'm sure he spent that $25 on drinks before he rode off.
Ken
Staying hydrated, very smart!
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In a fantasy it would be grins to fly a P-47 at full power about 10 feet above a biker rally at 4am towing a lit banner "Loud pipes save lives". One might get cursed at a bit. :evil:
GliderJohn
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A long time friend, his wife, and my wife and I had been going to Jefferson, TX for many years. We've seen downtown transition from retail businesses that had been there for years to those that have started catering to tourist. Antique stores, restaurants etc. Was a nice place to just stroll around to visit and have lunch. Then the Harley goofs started congregating with their loud pipes. See me. See me- Starving for attention. We don't go there anymore. The town has lost that laid back charm for us.
I don't have such a low self esteem of myself that I feel like I need the attention of loud pipes.
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The lives they may save are not worth saving - just my 2 cents.
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There are laws and statutes governing exhaust systems. Sadly, they are not enforced. Justice turns a blind eye when the enforcers are part of the problem. I have spoken with many LEO's about this and they all laugh it off. Sure, I have aftermarket exhaust on all of my bikes. With baffles.
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Some jackass just started his HD with full throttle and straight pipes merely inches away from people on the street outside of the bar I was at. A bunch of people jumped and yelled at the sudden noise. Dude on the bike started laughing, then a lit cigarette was thrown at him. Then 2 more. He quickly rode off before others got to him. I guess people in Milwaukee are sick of straight pipes! I'm not sure what to make of this.
Ken
Here in California, if someone lights a cigarette, we throw a Harley pipe at them. :grin:
On a serious note: that is an interesting event, which perhaps speaks to a growing intolerance of excessively loud pipes.
An example regarding voluntary enforcement: One dual-sport event I've participated in a few times requires a sound check before the motorcycle gets a tag to participate. They make a point of telling people not to bother bringing a loud bike, because they will not be allowed to ride it in the event. While some people complained, the majority appreciated the enforcement. The event seems to be growing and they are welcome in the community. FYI the event is in Bishop, CA - organized by a club in Ventura, CA.
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Some jackass just started his HD with full throttle and straight pipes merely inches away from people on the street outside of the bar I was at. A bunch of people jumped and yelled at the sudden noise. Dude on the bike started laughing, then a lit cigarette was thrown at him. Then 2 more. He quickly rode off before others got to him. I guess people in Milwaukee are sick of straight pipes! I'm not sure what to make of this.
Ken
That's a fun story...but I am struck by the irony of smokers chasing off a loud pipes guy.
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That's a fun story...but I am struck by the irony of smokers chasing off a loud pipes guy.
The Harley rider did get several people to throw down their cigarettes.
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Stupid people do stupid things which get other stupid people to enact stupid regulations that everyone else complains about.
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Did you see the South park episode involving loud Harley riders?.
They change the dictionary definition of fag to"an obnoxious Harley rider"
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"So make an automatic circuit that beeps your horn once a second.."
Heh. Like the turn-signal buzzer that was on my CB750 when I first bought it. Holy hell that thing was annoying. Never left my signals on, though.
Chirp...chirp...chi rp...chirp...
I think you're on to something, If they all believe loud pipes save lives, then maybe we should create a wind-powered noise maker. Like a deer whistle, but for humans. See if they walk the walk.
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I never got the load pipe argument until recently. I knew a bike was close, do to the fact I could here it.Turns out it was directly behind me, hidden by the separation between the two rear windows of my work van. I could not believe when that bike swerved just enough to become visible in my rear view mirror. I have since been re thinking the whole concept. I do now believe that hearing a MC could be just as important as seeing one from a safety perspective. My 2 cents.
You were in a work van that allows a lot more outside noise in than the average cage. Besides well insulated quite cages there are other factors that make it more likely that people will not hear a MC; other people in the car talking , and playing the radio and or music. Seems to me that the BMW crowd ride some of the quietist bikes out there. When was the last time you heard a BMer with loud pipes on it?
One more issue is that most accidents are are front end, T-bone and read end accidents and driving off the road accidents. None of those accidents would be helped by straight pipes.
The only accident that one could possibly benefit from loud pipes is where the bike is very close to a cage and slightly behind and or along side it on a 4-6 lane road. That kind of accident is probably in the lower single digit range. When it comes to physics (most noise emitted by loud pipes exit behind the bike) and the vast number of accidents are not broadside on multilane highway where a loud MC might be heard, I say loud pipes do not save lives.
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"Loud Pipes Save Lives" - just the obnoxious, attention-seeking crowd's rationalization for their noise.
Loud pipes serve lies - lies that benefit no one; the lies being:
- all motorcycles are loud,
- all motorcyclists are asshats.
.....to the general public those are widely held beliefs as a result.
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There are laws and statutes governing exhaust systems. Sadly, they are not enforced. Justice turns a blind eye when the enforcers are part of the problem. I have spoken with many LEO's about this and they all laugh it off. Sure, I have aftermarket exhaust on all of my bikes. With baffles.
My observations:
Legislation via the legislators are the ones at fault, at least in California.
Used to be, modified exhaust was probable cause for a stop, however, some legislator liked his straight pipes, so the section was revised to a required db level, measured by a calibrated device for a period of time at a constant throttle setting, etc....so basically, now it is unenforceable.
Ape hangers, same thing. Before I retired took a collision report, solo mc with major injury. Once I was able to talk to patch wearing individual, he basically told me his arms fell asleep and he lost grip.....
Then there was the towing doubles, as long as the last trailer was a boat trailer.....well, that's a story for another time. :rolleyes:
Common sense is officially an outdated concept.
kjf
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The hostility...
civilians who come to such conclusions regarding all motorcyclists are either not paying attention, or have a whole other set of problems that have nothing to do with us.
I don't like straight pipes either, but I also don't like my neighbors lawnmower outside my window. It's just the way it goes.
OK, let me have it...
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The hostility...
civilians who come to such conclusions regarding all motorcyclists are either not paying attention, or have a whole other set of problems that have nothing to do with us.
I don't like straight pipes either, but I also don't like my neighbors lawnmower outside my window. It's just the way it goes.
OK, let me have it...
Speaking of loud lawmowers.......... ........we owned a corner home and the house on our right became a rental. This nice looking couple moved into it and they had 2 teenage boys. Both parents worked and between then the boys came home from school and when the parents come home from work the boys decided to blast the whole neighbor hood with their music out of their open garage. So I got fed up with that in pretty short order...........so I took the muffler off my mower motor, installed a 3" pipe, put it right on our property line boundary right near to their driveway and ran the mower @ 1/2 speed. :violent1: It didn't take them long to get the message. From then on any time they knew I was home or saw me coming home, they shut down their music. :grin: We never discussed this item verbally.
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The hostility...
civilians who come to such conclusions regarding all motorcyclists are either not paying attention, or have a whole other set of problems that have nothing to do with us.
I don't like straight pipes either, but I also don't like my neighbors lawnmower outside my window. It's just the way it goes.
OK, let me have it...
"Civilians"?- aren't we?
Anyway, these civilians "pay attention" to and form lasting impressions of motorcycles that intrude upon their consciousnesses - those being the loud ones. In my many years of riding, I've numerous times had folks comment how quiet my rides are - but then I've lived mostly in SC - the natural habitat of the loud piped sociopath.
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Speaking of loud pipes and cops, not far from John Day, Or. is Burns, Or. The last time I was going to the Rally in JD I stopped for gas @ the Sinclair gas station @ Burns. In front of me was this biker with an attitude. As he finally left he blasted the whole area with his really loud pipes I shouted, LOUDER you dumb ass. Then I was told he was 1 of the local cops. :huh:
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One of our local cops -- the one who pulled me over for "the intention of speeding" -- has two bikes, a big HD and what looks like a triumph clubman. I saw him the other day on the clubman in flip-flops, t-shirt and cutoffs -- no helmet, gloves, or eye protection. I got beside him and commented that it takes a special kind of entitlement to both be a safety officer and also set that kind of example for the kids. He said "I don't play the game -- I'm the enforcer." I asked if it was ok to date his widow and rode off.
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I never got the load pipe argument until recently. I knew a bike was close, do to the fact I could here it.Turns out it was directly behind me, hidden by the separation between the two rear windows of my work van. I could not believe when that bike swerved just enough to become visible in my rear view mirror. I have since been re thinking the whole concept. I do now believe that hearing a MC could be just as important as seeing one from a safety perspective. My 2 cents.
* The motorcyclist was dumb to stay in a blind spot. You're equally not supposed to ride the center lane anymore than you should be 3/4 behind someone to either side.
* What were you going to do, BACK into him on the highway?
Not sure his pipes did jack.
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There are laws and statutes governing exhaust systems. Sadly, they are not enforced. Justice turns a blind eye when the enforcers are part of the problem. I have spoken with many LEO's about this and they all laugh it off. Sure, I have aftermarket exhaust on all of my bikes. With baffles.
Very VERY few (if any) aftermarket exhausts meet those standards/laws that you mention.
Therefore the irony is objecting to someone else whose pipes fail to meet those standards also.
For the record, ALL MY BIKES do and always have.
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What were you doing to do, BACK into him on the highway?
:laugh: :laugh:
Still not a fan of obnoxious pipes ,however, a couple of times I was made aware of a mc being close only because I heard them. I am also sure most cagers, who are not mc enthusiast, may not even equate the sound with being a mc. Although I prefer to keep my db killers in, if other choose not to I personally don't have a problem with it, unless someone is being a total ass wipe and deliberately disturbing others . Kind of hate to see a blanket law passed because of a small percentage of abusers. Tough call.
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Well I sure had my fill of the PIRATE PIPE brigade this weekend. Spent Sunday and today in Milwaukee with the family. EVERY gas station,restaurant,shopping stop,rest area...
Some HARLEY PIRATE WITH loud or even straight pipes would be there blipping their asses off without a care in the world. I am so sick of these asshats....if you have LOUD pipes don't blip the throttles around people!!!! end of rant.....
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Remember, it was outside a bar...alcohol involved
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At a local coffee-restaurant which is frequented by both motorcyclists and bikers I often offer to repair motorcycles so the rider doesn't need to blip the throttle.
My offer has yet to be accepted
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Told this before , just seems appropriate here .
A few years back a small group of us attending the Okie camp out were doing the "mountain" East to West . I was riding the /5 , and it was being difficult, requiring bump starting . We stopped on the top of Rich Mountain for a break . A small group of HD riders came in from the other direction , and were having a party in the parking area , stereo blazing , opening up the cooler from the chase truck, generally being obnoxious . We decided to move on before Michael D said something to provoke theses folks :laugh: I was rolling the beemer down a hill away from the group of HD riders , getting up speed before letting out the clutch . One of the HD guys said loud enough for one of our group to hear , "damn , that BMW is quiet" , well duh , it wasn't running :huh: :laugh:
Dusty
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One of the HD guys said loud enough for one of our group to hear , "damn , that BMW is quiet" , well duh , it wasn't running :huh: :laugh:
You must have this thread confused with the stupidest thing someone said about motorcycles thread. :grin:
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That's what I was thinking...
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The thing for me is not only are they too loud, they do not sound good...they actually sound gutless like flatulence ,have you ever noticed they when they roar off the bike is much slower than the sound, funny really ..
Years back i shared a campground with a bunch of Harleys with straight pipes etc, the guys riding them weren't all bad they just joined the loud is proud club..
At the time i owned a 1978 Ducati Darmah it came with Contis which were loud but not excessive , when i was warming her up cold blooded bike that it was , a couple of the Harley riders came over for a look see and a listen ..Both of them commented on the music the Duck made said they loved it ..a nice crisp staccato.. the 90 degree bevel and the Conti pipes had a lovely sound that you wanted to hear and when i rode off i was easy on the throttle for those that were still dormant.
Later on my return ,the Contis brought a few more HD riders over and i heard the same comments , one even said his Road King sounded like shit in comparison ...
its the quality of the music and not the volume that makes you smile ....
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One of the HD guys said loud enough for one of our group to hear , "damn , that BMW is quiet" , well duh , it wasn't running :huh: :laugh:
You must have this thread confused with the stupidest thing someone said about motorcycles thread. :grin:
That's what I was thinking...
That's where it was told before , just didn't feel like trying to find it :laugh:
Dusty
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The hostility...
civilians who come to such conclusions regarding all motorcyclists are either not paying attention, or have a whole other set of problems that have nothing to do with us.
I don't like straight pipes either, but I also don't like my neighbors lawnmower outside my window. It's just the way it goes.
OK, let me have it...
Ironically, my neighbor across the street rides a bike with straight pipes. When he cuts the lawn, he wears hearing protection. It makes no sense to me.
Ken
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Not trolling here, but perhaps as a community we should start petitioning the local LEO's to start enforcing noise and equipment rules, if nothing else just as secondary citations for other stops. As much as I enjoy the sound of a nice exhaust it does more harm to the motorcycling community than it is worth. How long do you think you could drive your pickup truck with straight pipes before you got pulled over?
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How long do you think you could drive your pickup truck with straight pipes before you got pulled over?
Out here where I live now, pretty long, judging by what I hear. Where I grew up, in Bethesda, MD, not very long.
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Not trolling here, but perhaps as a community we should start petitioning the local LEO's to start enforcing noise and equipment rules, if nothing else just as secondary citations for other stops. As much as I enjoy the sound of a nice exhaust it does more harm to the motorcycling community than it is worth. How long do you think you could drive your pickup truck with straight pipes before you got pulled over?
You sound like a control freak, atavar. Glad you don't live in my neighborhood. I'm sure if my mufflers are too loud I'll get pulled over without your help. :angry:
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Not trolling here, but perhaps as a community we should start petitioning the local LEO's to start enforcing noise and equipment rules, if nothing else just as secondary citations for other stops. As much as I enjoy the sound of a nice exhaust it does more harm to the motorcycling community than it is worth. How long do you think you could drive your pickup truck with straight pipes before you got pulled over?
If the complaint was about loud pipes I'd be in favor. if one showed up at my door I'd sign it. If it was about BIKES with loud pipes, not so much. My BUBs make me perhaps the loudest bike in town, and they're pretty tame by loud pipe standards. It's a Convert, so blipping the throttle at stops and redlining through the business district in first are not options. We've got a few rumblers in town, but that cop I was commenting about earlier has the only raspy Harley. His sounds like he stuck bamboo slats in his spokes. I walked around it one day as he was parking it and asked him if that's what made the silly noise.
We've got folks with these oversize pickup trucks with tall stacks, "tuner" type roller skates and rotted out beaters all making a LOT more noise than I do. The small aircraft don't give a second thought to buzzing the town at 200'agl, and when some of the working boats crank up at the docks you can identify which one from a half mile off.
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Want to hear some really loud pipes? Attend an Italian Motorcycle Owners Club rally. IMOC. No one seems to be crying about loud pipes at this yearly event. No one is suggesting eating the cheese and ratting the Italian bike owners out to the law. Sometimes I am skeptical as to the accuracy of some of these stories on the forum. Sometimes it seems folks just like to stir up the Harley hate pot with nonexistent or embellished tales. Flip a lit cig at someone round here and be prepared for a visit to the ER or your dentist.
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Let's be honest here NY , the vast majority of straight pipe MCs running around are HD's . Sorry , but that is the truth . Does it make me hate the brand , or even the owners that think it is OK to make a ridiculous amount of noise , well no . Does it irritate the hell out of me , well , yes . I have rarely heard an Italian bike running open exhaust , sure , those kinda loud "Competizione" mufflers , but NOT completely unmuffled .
Dusty
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"Flip a lit cig at someone round here and be prepared for a visit to the ER or your dentist."
Well, if I'm about to flick a lit cigarette at someone, it's because I'm damn sure I can back it up.
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Something that hasn't been mentioned.
While I dislike loud exhausts some attention paid to how parking is arranged by shops with outdoor seating would help. Where they have cars pulling in to park at an angle bikes typically need to back in or have the rider struggling to back out. That means even with a stock exhaust, a rider sprays exhaust onto customers seated outside.
Parking space can be scarce but allocating one or two spots for bikes would let 4 or more bikes park and if those spots were off to the side if possible that would sure help.
At one of my favorite breakfast places I heave ho the Norge up the crown to have my exhaust pointed other than in the direction of those seated outside eating. I've even had someone help after they asked why I was pushing the Norge and I explained what I was doing.
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My SS Agostini's are loud when wound up tight. Not Bub loud but considerably louder than the stock Lafranconi's that came on the Mille. I consider Bub's quite loud on a Guzzi and Ducati. One of the loudest bikes I ever road with was a Bub Centauro. Even with good ear plugs and a high end Arai helmet I could not ride near the bike. It made my ears hurt and ring: granted I have sensitive ears from a bad virus 25 years ago. No offense intended but I think Bubs are too loud. But I shouldn't talk as I think my Agostini's are almost too loud. I am careful especially in town to ride it higher gears to keep it down.... unless I am gliding by a group of HD's at the local BBQ. Then I cannot help myself and wind it up and then back off the throttle as I pass them by..... watching with mouths agape at the Sweet Staccato emitting from my Red Italian Stallion. I confess to suffer both guilt from having too noisy a bike and ego when it comes to the showing off in front of the "other" crowd.
Bad Red Rider 90 :evil:
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You sound like a control freak, atavar. Glad you don't live in my neighborhood. I'm sure if my mufflers are too loud I'll get pulled over without your help. :angry:
Not at all a control freak, but when bikes ride by my house and with the windows closed I cannot hear the movie I am watching on TV it annoys the heck out of me. I am very pro motorcycle so if this angers me I can only imagine how it annoys others who have nothing to do with bikes.
This is really one of the prime reasons that a lot of people dislike motorcycling and motorcyclists.
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Not trolling here, but perhaps as a community we should start petitioning the local LEO's to start enforcing noise and equipment rules, if nothing else just as secondary citations for other stops. As much as I enjoy the sound of a nice exhaust it does more harm to the motorcycling community than it is worth. How long do you think you could drive your pickup truck with straight pipes before you got pulled over?
There is always a segment of any group that can't figure out the difference between quantity and quality.
There is a difference between a tuned exhaust and one that is just loud. Even so, it's the people that think everyone else wants to hear their loud trash that causes a big part of the problem. If you like to hear loud exhausts, great, have some courtesy and open it up where it isn't going to disrupts everyone's time.
No matter, there are always the ones who think walking down a street banging on a metal trash can lid is music.
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Not so much HD riders here, the sport bike riders take riding seriously here. Bikes are generally modified both motor and suspension to meet the challenges of the roads here. That said, they seem to be tolerated by the town's people as long as they don't go flying through town. Not much showboating either.
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So my Agostini on the Griso and the Arrows on the Multi are for me personally and I will use them with respect for all the other ears out there..... and they both have the DB killers in ...so not so loud and just music to me . :bow: :whip2:
I would think that there is a significant difference in the sound of a tuned exhaust system and the open annoying blatt of a HD ...but then again who am I to judge .....eh
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If you like rock but rap not so much, rap played at half the volume of rock still can seem way too loud. Personally I'd rather listen to an entire neighborhood of children playing, yelling as they often do than a car driving by with rap vibrating the windows.
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Just another story:
When I had the C14 (stock pipes) I pulled in for gas and had just gotten off the bike when a bike pulled in (Honda VTX) with straight pipes that was so loud it was like being next to a nitro drag racer. He rode past me stopped, got off the bike & came walking back & took a quick look at the Guzzi then asked me if it was a new Valkerye. I shouted at him as loud as I could: "NO It's a f*kng MOTO GUZZI a real Godd*mn bike not some POS with loud pipes wanne be". Then I left.
Sometime later I bought a Victory & got invited by other Vic owners to have breakfast & go on a ride. There was a rider that looked familiar but I couldn't place him. The conversation got around to loud exhaust & I told the story of the "A-hole with loud pipes at the gas station" story. It wasn't until we were all leaving that I realized one rider was on a very loud honda. He pulled out first and left & somebody who knew him commented they were glad he decided not to ride with them.
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" Here in California, if someone lights a cigarette, we throw a Harley pipe at them. :grin: "
That is partially influenced by the high taxes on tobacco - it costs less to throw a Harley pipe.
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People who ride motorcycles with excessively loud pipes do this for no other reason but to attract attention. This is OK except that it is extremely bothersome to other road users and to people living close to roads. It is also in most places illegal to make that much noise although for unknown reasons rarely enforced.
I can prove my first statement by the following thought-experiment: suppose I can design a spectacular-looking & super-quiet pipe that is sold together with an app that can produce whatever type of exhaust you desire. You connect your phone to the ECU and put your earphones in. Select your pipe on the app's menu, set the volume to the desired level, and off you go. In theory this pipe+app should sell like hot cakes as you can pick your exhaust sound and your volume, depending on your taste or mood. Any other road user can hear your muted pipe and is not bothered. Do you think I will sell any of these apps?
(correct answer: No)
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Actually they sell a bunch of these..
http://www.soundracer.se/ :drool:
People who ride motorcycles with excessively loud pipes do this for no other reason but to attract attention. This is OK except that it is extremely bothersome to other road users and to people living close to roads. It is also in most places illegal to make that much noise although for unknown reasons rarely enforced.
I can prove my first statement by the following thought-experiment: suppose I can design a spectacular-looking & super-quiet pipe that is sold together with an app that can produce whatever type of exhaust you desire. You connect your phone to the ECU and put your earphones in. Select your pipe on the app's menu, set the volume to the desired level, and off you go. In theory this pipe+app should sell like hot cakes as you can pick your exhaust sound and your volume, depending on your taste or mood. Any other road user can hear your muted pipe and is not bothered. Do you think I will sell any of these apps?
(correct answer: No)
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At one of my favorite breakfast places I heave ho the Norge up the crown to have my exhaust pointed other than in the direction of those seated outside eating. I've even had someone help after they asked why I was pushing the Norge and I explained what I was doing.
Recently, I was parked in front of an outdoor restaurant, and instead of starting up the bike less than five feet from the people eating at the tables, I just pushed the bike a few feet to the street, started it up and went on my way. There is no reason to be rude to people, and my CX isn't that loud, but still.
Seriously, some people are just jerks and if they didn't have loud pipes, it would be something else.
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. His sounds like he stuck bamboo slats in his spokes. I walked around it one day as he was parking it and asked him if that's what made the silly noise.
:grin: funny.
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I was at a bike night last week (many HD's) and there was one guy especially proud of his bike and the noise it made. I commented to him that the bike was absolutely gorgeous but the guy that sold him the mufflers ripped him off cuz they didn't work. He just stood there with a puzzled look on his face while his buddies laughed.
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Loud exhaust on anything is annoying.
Around here the four door, full size 4x4 pickup with a lift kit and a tire package out sells most everything else, at least for the 20 ~ 35 year old segment and those over 40 who will never grow up. The must have accessory to compliment the blacked out F250 is a set of loud pipes, replete with a base ball cap worn backwards and white sun glasses. On the back window of most of these rigs is a HD sticker, they probably don't actually own a HD but it seems to be a required status symbol.
I have tried to understand the mind set of a 40 year old guy that needs to blast around town in a rig decked out for an assault on ISIS, loud pipes competing with the bass on his stereo and tailgating anyone that won't get out of his way. Narcissistic jerks have been around for a millennium but I think the number of loud pipe bikes and rigs on the road is evidence that there is an upswing in this behaviour.
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People who ride motorcycles with excessively loud pipes do this for no other reason but to attract attention. This is OK except that it is extremely bothersome to other road users and to people living close to roads. It is also in most places illegal to make that much noise although for unknown reasons rarely enforced.
I can prove my first statement by the following thought-experiment: suppose I can design a spectacular-looking & super-quiet pipe that is sold together with an app that can produce whatever type of exhaust you desire. You connect your phone to the ECU and put your earphones in. Select your pipe on the app's menu, set the volume to the desired level, and off you go. In theory this pipe+app should sell like hot cakes as you can pick your exhaust sound and your volume, depending on your taste or mood. Any other road user can hear your muted pipe and is not bothered. Do you think I will sell any of these apps?
(correct answer: No)
I think BMW was one of the first manufacturers to pipe electronic engine sounds through the stereo so the driver could enjoy the sound of his/her vehicle which was purposely muted for sound emissions purposes.
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we gots an 'lectric car in town with leopard spots and a loudspeaker that plays engine noises on account of it sneaks up on old people and gives them a conniption. The lady what drives it can put in sounds for the kind of car she'd rather be driving.
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Loud exhaust on anything is annoying.
Around here the four door, full size 4x4 pickup with a lift kit and a tire package out sells most everything else, at least for the 20 ~ 35 year old segment and those over 40 who will never grow up. The must have accessory to compliment the blacked out F250 is a set of loud pipes, replete with a base ball cap worn backwards and white sun glasses. On the back window of most of these rigs is a HD sticker, they probably don't actually own a HD but it seems to be a required status symbol.
I have tried to understand the mind set of a 40 year old guy that needs to blast around town in a rig decked out for an assault on ISIS, loud pipes competing with the bass on his stereo and tailgating anyone that won't get out of his way. Narcissistic jerks have been around for a millennium but I think the number of loud pipe bikes and rigs on the road is evidence that there is an upswing in this behaviour.
The problem is that the asshats that do that are hostile, belligerent overgrown children -- and the wannabees are worse. The attitude that says "I'm gonna f*** your ears till they bleed and if you object you're gonna need a dentist" can't be dealt with in an adult, rational manner. The only means of getting relief is unfortunately, to either bitch slap harder and faster than they can or "rat them off to the law" as the asshats say. I'm in favor of whatever it takes.
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canuck750 described the loud pickup truck crowed around here perfectly. I have assumed they were all high school kids and would hopefully someday grow up but perhaps not. I think loud is just loud and those who think their loud bikes are acceptable because they sound good are just fooling themselves and attempting to rationalize inconsiderate behavior. My V7II is completely stock still I wish it were less loud. When I pull into a parking spot near others I try to shut the engine down as quickly as I reasonably can and when I drive off I make sure I am suited up, sitting on the bike and pointing in the right direction before starting up. The sounds of nature are much nicer than the sounds of motorcycles (my opinion of course). If an aftermarket company were to market an exhaust system for my V7II that provided a "significant" decrease in loudness (say something like 10dB?) with a not too significant decrease in hp (say less than 5%?) I would be interested in buying it. Obviously I am just playing with numbers but if anyone knows of a company marketing a quieter motorcycle exhaust system I would like to know about it. I have seen a system for ATVs advertised but not one for Motorcycles.
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Had a demufflercated HD next to me at a stoplight , 25 year old rider , young lady on the pillion , rider keeps blipping the throttle . He turns his head to tell his passenger "I like to hear my MC run" . She can't hear him , so he repeats himself , this time in a louder voice . Still draws a blank stare from the young lady . I finally lean over and in a loud voice say , " Yeah , but maybe the rest of us don't want to hear it run" I think he would have bowed up like a Halloween cat , except like the cat , logic meant nothing :evil:
Dusty
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Riding my wife's Breva 750 I pulled in to park at a local club. Two fellas I know who both ride loud Harley's walked over and one commented on how quiet the bike was, I said "motorcycles don't need to be loud" they both walked away with kind of confused looks on their faces. Sometimes I think the only reason people ride Harleys is to annoy others with their loud exhausts, if they couldn't make loud noises they wouldn't ride a motorcycle at all. For some it really is all about the noise and attention.
Brian
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lol, I stopped at the nearby bike shop today to order a new rear tire for an upcoming road trip. While talking to a couple beemer guys out front a guy pulls in on a v rod with straight pipes. We could hear him coming for miles. It was the loudest friggin thing on two wheels I have ever heard. When he shut it down and walked by I asked him why so loud? He said it was a high performance bike and needed to breathe. I said really? , I didn't know HD made a high performance street bike. He pointed at my 1100 tuono factory and said it would spank that jap sport bikes ass! What do you say to that? Funniest thing was he was hoping to get an inspection sticker and the tech sent him packing because of the pipes. So there is some justice. :thumb:
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I think BMW was one of the first manufacturers to pipe electronic engine sounds through the stereo so the driver could enjoy the sound of his/her vehicle which was purposely muted for sound emissions purposes.
Wow!!! I stand corrected!
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Wow!!! I stand corrected!
Yeah, this is common practice for a number of manufacturers. Some play fake engine sounds over the stereo, like BMW/Porsche/Lexus. Some have a dedicated speaker for this (VW soundaktor). Some go the low budget route and poke a hole in the firewall (Subaru and Ford). Most modern sporty cars have enhanced engine sounds in the cabin.
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I said really? , I didn't know HD made a high performance street bike.
V-Rods aren't slow. They'll do a 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds. I don't think any publicly available stock Guzzi will do quite that well.
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V-Rods aren't slow. They'll do a 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds. I don't think any publicly available stock Guzzi will do quite that well.
Some show a few years ago staged a match race between a V Rod and an early 80's UJM . The V Rod owner was kind of an arrogant twit , loved it when the UJM smoked the HD 3 straight races :evil:
Not slow , well , compared to other slow bikes :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Motorcycle manufacturers should have stock ECU modes for different exhaust sound profiles.....
Then we can save lots of money by not having to change /modify the pipes. :thumb:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic002/exhaust%20whistler_zpsdkngundq.jpg)
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"So make an automatic circuit that beeps your horn once a second.."
Heh. Like the turn-signal buzzer that was on my CB750 when I first bought it. Holy hell that thing was annoying. Never left my signals on, though.
Chirp...chirp...chi rp...chirp...
I think you're on to something, If they all believe loud pipes save lives, then maybe we should create a wind-powered noise maker. Like a deer whistle, but for humans. See if they walk the walk.
Junkers - 87 siren! This audio track concludes with an appropriate end for the open piped crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZZ504TGDpE
Tobit
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Yeah, this is common practice for a number of manufacturers. Some play fake engine sounds over the stereo, like BMW/Porsche/Lexus. Some have a dedicated speaker for this (VW soundaktor). Some go the low budget route and poke a hole in the firewall (Subaru and Ford). Most modern sporty cars have enhanced engine sounds in the cabin.
I think I remember seeing on Top Gear that some version of the F-Type Jag had an on/off switch for the sound too.
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Some show a few years ago staged a match race between a V Rod and an early 80's UJM . The V Rod owner was kind of an arrogant twit , loved it when the UJM smoked the HD 3 straight races :evil:
Not slow , well , compared to other slow bikes :rolleyes:
Dusty
So?
Really that's two particular bikes (and possibly the difference between 2 particular riders).
Don't get me wrong, the ignorant bastid on the Vrod was a certified TWIT.
MCN puts the Tuono at 10.28-11.19 and the Vrod 11.38-12.07 so yeah a twit, but NOT exactly slow.
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SO ????
So what ????
Well he said , the she said :laugh:
Dusty
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The righteous indignation and condescending perspectives on this crack me up... If you don't like loud pipes, fed cripe's sake, don't listen! :evil:
"His "open pipes" annoy me, endanger kittens & babies and are ONLY meant to draw attention but, if you don't like my expensive, hard to find and exceptionally tasteful aftermarket snob-xausts... Well, you're simply a lower class of rider and generally unworthy of my aural offerings!" :boxing:
Truly though - most open exhausts, of which, more and more are on "Cafe" bikes, make me wanna pitch a broom handle in their spokes. I just keep reminding myself that it's probably just some guy having fun on the cheap. Broad considerations on my part, that, considering what a fine upstanding lad I was throughout my own youth.
Todd.
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The righteous indignation and condescending perspectives on this crack me up... If you don't like loud pipes, fed cripe's sake, don't listen! :evil:
Todd.
How do I not listen when they are drowning out the audio from the movie I am watching on the TV in my living room? The loud pipes violently and rudely impinge on my life and there is nothing I can do about it. And I *like* motorcycles and the sound of a fine engine.
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How do I not listen when they are drowning out the audio from the movie I am watching on the TV in my living room? The loud pipes violently and rudely impinge on my life and there is nothing I can do about it. And I *like* motorcycles and the sound of a fine engine.
Just "takin' the piss" a little in relation to the usual; "If you don't like it, change the channel" or "If he's pissin' you off, just don't pay attention".
To be sure, I get the perspective of one person's liberties in exhaust choices can be another persons acoustic invasion. I have Screaming Eagle crap tubes on my Sportster and though they are "OK" when behaving (though honestly, still a bit too loud) I can't really get on it responsibly for the ridiculous noise. At one point, one of the baffles came out - probably the PO only slipped them in for the sale - and it was simply unrideable.
It absolutely presents as me IMPOSING my exhaust on others if I'm not careful. Someday, those nasty beasts will be down the road but I'm still looking for the replacements.
Todd.
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I can handle a very loud bike for a few seconds as it goes by my house. My neighbor's lawn mower, weed eater, leaf blower, edger, chain saw, power washer (about 2-3 hours every weekend) bothers me more than a speeding bike going past my house.
Speaking of louder. It seems now that I am actually riding the CALVIN, my exhaust tone seems to be louder than when it had only 1,500 miles on the bike. I am at 5K, and the mufflers have more rumble when opening the throttle.
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V-Rods aren't slow. They'll do a 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds. I don't think any publicly available stock Guzzi will do quite that well.
According to this site http://0-60motorcycletimes.com/
The 8V 2013 Stevio turns an 11.3 sec @ 118 mph 1/4 mile.
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According to this site http://0-60motorcycletimes.com/
The 8V 2013 Stevio turns an 11.3 sec @ 118 mph 1/4 mile.
One of our members has a 1400 that will do 247 MPH :laugh:
Dusty
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Yes, but that was 247 indicated, actual was probably 5 mph slower. And I vote with atavar. I would like to get a bumper sticker "Loud Pipes are for Losers" but what good would that do? Hopefully the fad is dying out, like boom-boxes.
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I prefer the bumper sticker I once say that said "Loud Pipe = Small Penis"