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Title: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: i HONK on June 02, 2016, 12:00:00 PM
Apparently an open circuit at the switch where the wiring harness enters the housing. Looks like removing the switch is the next step. I'll be busy for a while. Any advice from y'all would be appreciated.

Randy

2007 Norge has been basicly trouble free for 87,000+ miles. But yesterday the bike wouldn't start. No parking lights, until I rotate the handle bar to the far left stop. Bike starts all is good until I move the steering to center position. Bike keeps running but headlights turn off. No re-start in the center position.  Apparently a wiring issue.............. .....Before pulling stuff apart, looking for possible ideas.  :angry:

Randy
Title: Re: Norge weird starting issue
Post by: pete roper on June 02, 2016, 01:27:28 PM
Does the dash light up? If so clutch switch. If not? Ignition switch.

Pete
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on June 02, 2016, 03:52:37 PM
If the wires are flexing where they go into the ignition switch chances are one of them is broken.
I'm not sure about the Norge but earlier Guzzis it was just a matter of unscrewing the switch block, 2 Phillips screws around the back to get the block off.
Re-solder the wire on and fix them to the housing so the movement is taken up by a gentle twisting over several inches away from the soldered joint. At a solder connection is the first place a wire will break.
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s526/Kiwi_Roy/Ignition%20Switch/Ignition%20Switch%20Wire_zpsydmxfcfv.jpg)

Disclaimer - as I said this is not a Norge switch, it's off a VII
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: atavar on June 02, 2016, 05:20:02 PM
Oh geeze, great, another flakey Norge problem. If I get this one too I'm blaming you!!!  :boxing:
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: Edo on June 02, 2016, 10:45:45 PM
This is timely. From time to time I get a no start, that is, a single clunk and then nothing. Second or third try is always successful. But one of these days, ..........
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on June 02, 2016, 11:17:16 PM
This is timely. From time to time I get a no start, that is, a single clunk and then nothing. Second or third try is always successful. But one of these days, ..........
Dirty Ignition switch most likely
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: i HONK on June 03, 2016, 10:32:30 AM
Apparently the ignition switch has a broken internal wire, on to the next step....micro-surgery and with big hands a major challenge.......... ..... :sad:

Randy
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: i HONK on June 03, 2016, 10:35:43 AM
The wiring is very close to the photo from Kiwi Roy, I'll photo the Norge failure for the site.

Randy

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww8/GuzziRandy/IMG_3220%20600%20x%20450.jpg) (http://s700.photobucket.com/user/GuzziRandy/media/IMG_3220%20600%20x%20450.jpg.html)

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww8/GuzziRandy/IMG_3216%20600%20x%20450.jpg) (http://s700.photobucket.com/user/GuzziRandy/media/IMG_3216%20600%20x%20450.jpg.html)
I added a short pig tail to the broken wire and re-installed the cover & zip tied the harness to complete the assembly. a test to confirm and I'M back on the road and heading to the Minnesota Rally later this month......
Randy

Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: i HONK on June 03, 2016, 02:41:48 PM
A big thanks to Kiwi_Roy :boozing:  Just putting details back together, all is good and should be back on the road tonight.
Randy
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on June 03, 2016, 05:10:58 PM
That's great, as I said before make sure the wires are fastened where they come out of the switch cover so there's no bending going on at the solder joint.
Just a gentle twisting over several inches. The first place a wire will break is at the soldered joint, the copper work hardens and gets brittle.
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 03, 2016, 05:14:47 PM
I saw the same thing on a friend's V11S. Must be a common issue..
Title: Re: Norge Weird random starting issue
Post by: i HONK on June 05, 2016, 09:44:35 AM
The wiring is very close to the photo from Kiwi Roy, I'll photo the Norge failure for the site.

Randy

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww8/GuzziRandy/IMG_3220%20600%20x%20450.jpg) (http://s700.photobucket.com/user/GuzziRandy/media/IMG_3220%20600%20x%20450.jpg.html)

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww8/GuzziRandy/IMG_3216%20600%20x%20450.jpg) (http://s700.photobucket.com/user/GuzziRandy/media/IMG_3216%20600%20x%20450.jpg.html)
I added a short pig tail to the broken wire and re-installed the cover & zip tied the harness to complete the assembly. a test to confirm and I'M back on the road and heading to the Minnesota Rally later this month......
Randy

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