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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: willowstreetguzziguy on June 04, 2016, 04:22:43 PM
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Question: What do you think will be the next big trend in motorcycling? Do you see any signs of it emerging now or is there something that could cause it to occur?
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Flying motorbikes if Craig Vetter gets his way :bike-037:
Dusty
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I see trends going to more practical utility type bikes like this. A bike that will get you from the tattoo parlor to the tavern. Maybe go get your beard trimmed too on a big ride day.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/k75ydv/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/k75ydv)
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I see trends going to more practical utility type bikes like this. A bike that will get you from the tattoo parlor to the tavern. Maybe go get your beard trimmed too on a big ride day.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/k75ydv/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/k75ydv)
Hmm , gonna take a big motor to make that thing "fly" :rolleyes:
Dusty
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I'd really love to see some lightweight roadsters with direct-injection two-stroke engines. With dual-clutch paddle-shifters and electronic features like ABS and traction control, this could really re-define what motorcycles are to a new generation of riders...
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Sorry , the flying bike thing wasn't meant to be snarky . Vetter put up an offer of big seed money if anyone could develop a bike that will operate in the air . So far it hasn't happened , but hey ...
Dusty
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Smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient motorcycles.
Future environmental standards will require it.
For example, Guzzi will replace the big heavy CARC bikes with a new line of V9 based models.
Mike
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One trend I'm seeing and that I like is the availability and popularity of small bikes like the Ninja 250 and 300, Honda 300, KTM 390, etc.. I rode a KTM 390 on the Dragon a couple weeks ago, and it's a really great handling bike with excellent power. Yesterday I put 100 country road miles on my Ninja 250 and loved every one of them. The more I ride "little" bikes, the fewer advantages I see of having big bikes, and it looks like I may not be alone.
Edit: Typed in parallel with Travlr's post above.
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Ti/carbon fibre composite framed hybrid-engined ABS+T/C self parking self-diagnosing air-bag riddled frappacino making Euro 10 meeting horror. Something that looks like this.
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Yep, We'd all like to see fuel efficient sensible bikes you could tour the world on for a dollar a day but show us a cb125....... oh god no!
interestingly had a ride in a bagain basement suzuki cage the other day. Damned thing was more fuel effiecient than my bike, a quick internet search and Suzuki have started fitting thier car engines with dual direct injection and liquid cooled Egr. unlike turbo nonsence and variable valve controlled thottling this is the kind of tech that might fit well on a bike. 65-70 mpg (us) in a 65-70bhp machine, I think I could live with that. Hope this tech ends up on thier bikes too.
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What Triple Jim said...
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Oh and I found where Guzzi are getting thier recent styling cues from:
bobber,scrambler,cafe scrambobulated racer...its all available
http://www.mfcparis.com/preparations_9_mfc-paris_1-SUZUKI-VANVAN (http://www.mfcparis.com/preparations_9_mfc-paris_1-SUZUKI-VANVAN)
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With names like 'Hedonist' and 'Destroy', how could you go wrong? :laugh:
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What about a V9 Stelvio, V9 Norge, or V9 Griso?
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E.Lec.Tric.
If you're crying over no more CARC then you better stock up on tissues cause the Otto is gonna have to go. Maybe sooner than we think, who knows? But it's coming.
Hunter
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In general I think for the next few years you are going to see sales of upper end bikes selling to people with money and a whole bunch of economy priced smaller bikes and scooters to the rest with the more mid priced bikes having declining sales.
GliderJohn
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In general I think for the next few years you are going to see sales of upper end bikes selling to people with money and a whole bunch of economy priced smaller bikes and scooters to the rest with the more mid priced bikes having declining sales.
GliderJohn
this is the problem, bikes are increasingly designed for 2 markets: the Asian highly budget orientated market and the western inpulse buying millionare who's parents worked hard for a living market, there's little inbetween.
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Smaller dual sport bikes, 375-500cc's.
More Scramblers with knobby tires. That will be be "new" cafe sport section for custom builders.
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This article by James Parker in Motorcyclist Magazine is interesting, regarding the design trend in new bikes to make them less cluttered.
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/motorcycle-design-and-demographics#page-2
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Obviously it will be the big diesel/electric units.....
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This article by James Parker in Motorcyclist Magazine is interesting, regarding the design trend in new bikes to make them less cluttered.
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/motorcycle-design-and-demographics#page-2
Yes, it's interesting, but it sure isn't the direction I want them to go in, since "smoothing" means to me "harder to work on". Hidden coolant lines, for example, are not my friend when I'm on the road and notice a puddle under my motorcycle.
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A dealer magazine I get said that if H.D. dealers don't have an exit plan by 2018, they will be on the losing side of the heavy bike sales. The economy is slowing and new unit sales are slowing also. April sales were slightly up over previous months, but down from the previous year. Indian/Victory/Polaris has put a hurting on H.D.
I have not figured out why a manufacturer builds a 180 h.p. bike and then dumb's it down with electronic intervention. Why not just by the 6o h.p bike and some new gear?
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One the next trends I believe will be restoring all the hacked up cafe bikes to their proper original glory.
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If I could predict the future, I'd be in great demand.. :azn:
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The next big trend=Electric bikes. :popcorn:
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I'm not sure what the future holds, but I do hope it includes a "street" version of Victory's Pikes Peak race bike! :drool:
Also HOPE Guzzi has a replacement for the Griso, or 1200 sport in the pipeline!! (If not, see above)
Randy
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I see myself buying a Burgman type scooter in the future.
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Flying motorbikes if Craig Vetter gets his way :bike-037:
Dusty
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The next big trend=Electric bikes. :popcorn:
I'm afraid there will be a couple other big trends before that big trend happens.
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Electric zappers
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I see myself buying a Burgman type scooter in the future.
a friend has two now. came from a Gold wing and loves them. It's hard to keep up with him. only faults IMHO are it need 1 more gallon of gas, easier serviceability, real suspension and one size bigger tires.
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I'm not fond of the bodywork. It's a little too appliance-looking for my taste. And the highway pegs are too far forward.
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I would be happy to find Suzuki TU350X and TU500X in the lineup. Even better, take a SV650 drivetrain and put it in a frame similiar to the V7 Sport, adjustable handlebars and all. Small bike, traditional look, modern brakes, reliability, and old man ergos. Too much to ask?
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I have not figured out why a manufacturer builds a 180 h.p. bike and then dumb's it down with electronic intervention. Why not just by the 6o h.p bike and some new gear?
Surely you must try before you decide. The electronics do not dumb down anything unless you want them to.
I won't bother trying to explain, but one ride on on a modern super bike and you will get it.
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I have not figured out why a manufacturer builds a 180 h.p. bike and then dumb's it down with electronic intervention. Why not just by the 6o h.p bike and some new gear?
Surely you must try before you decide. The electronics do not dumb down anything unless you want them to.
I won't bother trying to explain, but one ride on on a modern super bike and you will get it.
:1: I don't need to own one , but having ridden an S1000RR , all I can say is WHOLEY SCHMIDT :shocked:
Dusty
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:1: I don't need to own one , but having ridden an S1000RR , all I can say is WHOLEY SCHMIDT :shocked:
Dusty
I'm railing with the Norge way over the posted limit right now, 180 hp for the street is stupid! :evil:
(http://www.users.qwest.net/~ghakala/old%20bike.GIF)
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I'm railing with the Norge way over the posted limit right now, 180 hp for the street is stupid! :evil:
(http://www.users.qwest.net/~ghakala/old%20bike.GIF)
Yeah , still fun . Hell , I rode my 40 Shetland /5 way over the posted limit most of the time , and the 70 Shetland Jackal , well , ask some of the boys here about that :shocked:
Dusty
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I'm railing with the Norge way over the posted limit right now, 180 hp for the street is stupid! :evil:
It kinds ruins things for all but top level racing, too. I'd find racing fun, but with something like Ninja 250s or Honda 175s. You can have fun competing on them without going 180 mph. In fact I do have a ton of fun on my Yamaha 100 on the supermoto track, and reach top speeds like 45 mph, and dragging my knees in the turns!
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I could see someone making some bucks making hybrid electric powered sidecars. Bolt up to a regular motorcycle and the sidecar powers the bike with batteries already in it with solar panels built in the body. Electric motor in the sidecar wheel hub like electric bicycles. Run out of juice, simply start the motorcycle's actual motor and drive it to your favorite electrical outlet.
JB
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For Piaggio an 850 MP3 for all you old guys who want to fly.
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I'm railing with the Norge way over the posted limit right now, 180 hp for the street is stupid! :evil:
I find I was much more likely to speed on the griso than I am on the Tuono. Pushing the griso performance wise will always put you above the speed limits because of it's tall gearing and the way the power comes on high in its rev range. The Tuono on the other hand will literally straighten your arms out from 0 to 60 mph and get your heart racing without breaking any laws. Sure it is capable of ridiculous speeds, but you really don't have to go there to get your jollies. Don't get me wrong, I realize the t can't hold a candle to a norge when it comes to comfort, touring capabilities or ease of maintenance ect. But for the sure thrill of performance alone ,without breaking speed limits ,it's hard to beat the acceleration of a super naked. I think everyone deserves to ride one before they are quick to dismiss them as too much for the street.
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Biggest trend that I see is that the manufacturers will make it harder for an owner to do any maintenance to their machines.
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:1: I don't need to own one , but having ridden an S1000RR , all I can say is WHOLEY SCHMIDT :shocked:
Dusty
After my test ride on an RR the year they came out, all I could say afterwards was "I'm grateful in the extreme that I'm no longer 18 years old". Even now, I'd probably not last a week on that thing before finding myself behind bars. And not the kind that serve beer. A few weeks ago, I rode the 'adventure' version, the XR, which has 'reduced' power. It's still WHOLEY SCHMIDT :copcar:
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Oh and I found where Guzzi are getting thier recent styling cues from:
bobber,scrambler,cafe scrambobulated racer...its all available
http://www.mfcparis.com/preparations_9_mfc-paris_1-SUZUKI-VANVAN (http://www.mfcparis.com/preparations_9_mfc-paris_1-SUZUKI-VANVAN)
And all this time, I thought it was Oberdan Bezzi.
LOL!
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New Weird Multi-Purpose Parts made by 3d printers and manufactured to reduce production costs.
Minimize amount of materials = lighter bike
Interesting new 3d forms are possible for the manufacturers.
Personalizing and customizing becomes more difficult. (Regulations)
Brand recognition /loyalty becomes stronger among the niche designers (with access to smaller 3d production lines)
Maintenance is reduced but replacing damaged parts becomes more expensive.
More..... later. :coffee:
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....I rode the 'adventure' version, the XR, which has 'reduced' power. It's still WHOLEY SCHMIDT :copcar:
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I've also ridden the XR (but, not the S1000RR), and yes, WHOLEY SCHMIDT!
It definitely be way too easy to get in trouble with law or otherwise (as in dead) with one.
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The trend I see already happening and I hope becomes big is an abandonment of Transformers styling and going back to less angles, beaks and little randomly placed triangular slabs of "bodywork". On the technical side, making full use of the possibilities of ride by wire which I think is a good thing even if I can't adjust it with a box end wrench.
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The trend I see already happening and I hope becomes big is an abandonment of Transformers styling and going back to less angles, beaks and little randomly placed triangular slabs of "bodywork". On the technical side, making full use of the possibilities of ride by wire which I think is a good thing even if I can't adjust it with a box end wrench.
Where do you find the trend of abandoning edgy modern "transformer" styling?
Other than a few retros and the usual cruisers, the market is flooded with horrible origami styling.
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Empulse TT Electric Motorcycles...
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"Clean Slate" bikes. Rolling frames with power plants on dealer floors can accept wide choice of bars, seats and peg positions. Choose from several tank shapes and colors because all these components are on display and plug into position. Hell, hold a "mix and match" rally with your riding pals.
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Next big trend? Bankruptcys, mergers, takeovers, etc. as older riders quit riding and there's not enough "new blood" to keep sales up.
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"Clean Slate" bikes. Rolling frames with power plants on dealer floors can accept wide choice of bars, seats and peg positions. Choose from several tank shapes and colors because all these components are on display and plug into position. Hell, hold a "mix and match" rally with your riding pals.
I really don't know why this is not a 'norm'.
Fairing or no fairing, windscreen, bikini. Dual seat, solo, racer, etc all adjustable fore/aft and up/down. Ape hangers, clip ons, pull back bars with or w/o risers. adv cases or suitcases. Upswept mufflers or low, dual or single. Rearsets, 'normal', mid or forward, floorboards or pegs. Real adjustable rear shocks for various weight riders and passengers/cargo.
Of course it wouldn't sell. A dedicated adv type would not be caught dead on a bike that could be a cruiser and a sport bike guy NEEDS the latest, lightest, most hp of any bike ever made. I'd still like to see a factory do it.
Well.....Guzzi did at one time. The Tonti frame. Cruiser, sport bike, sport touring, etc, etc. Why not do it again.
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What's this "clean slate bike" of which you speak? We used to call them motorcycles.
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Next big trend? Bankruptcys, mergers, takeovers, etc. as older riders quit riding and there's not enough "new blood" to keep sales up.
Charlie, I'm afraid you are right. It's the same with sport aviation.. there isn't much "new" blood. Lannis used to rail about the younger generation constantly looking at their phones. He was right. Their world is different than our world, and most..not all, thankfully.. :smiley: aren't interested in machines.
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Yes , the world is changing , us old guys are probably the last generation that will lust after motorbikes . The thing to remember , this period of time was merely a blip in time , in fact , not even truly a blip , as 1000 years from now it won't mean squat to a tree . We had our time , now time is leaving us behind .
Dusty
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The baby boomers were all about retro stuff. Muscle cars to motorcycles to airplanes. And they mostly had money to pull it off along with being a disproportionately large segment of the population.
As they age the next generation is smaller in number and what did they grow up on? Computers. Double whammy.
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I like JBs idea for an electric side car, seems like a natural aplication of even current tech. john maybe you should take it to the Shark Tank guys? Thats a show were rich guys may or may not envest in your company/idea in exchange for a part of the action.
I can see it now, sharks, we think there are up to 1800 possible custoemers in the usa, we are confident we can sell 400 units!
But really, i do think its a cool idea.
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There always be gearheads and your gearhead wannabes. There may not be proportionally as many of them in the next generation or two but they'll be there, and his gearheads of done for decades they'll carry-on.
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Smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient motorcycles.
Future environmental standards will require it.
For example, Guzzi will replace the big heavy CARC bikes with a new line of V9 based models.
Mike
I agree but would like to add "faster" to the description as well . In our neck of the woods the guys who aren't riding Harley's are going for the smaller displacement lighter bikes that are usually naked , fast and easy to ride .
Yamaha , Triumph , Ducati and now Guzzi have many to choose from .
Lots of fun , dependable , and moderately priced .
I like it !
Cheers ,
Steve
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There always be gearheads and your gearhead wannabes. There may not be proportionally as many of them in the next generation or two but they'll be there, and his gearheads of done for decades they'll carry-on.
There will come a time when the numbers drop so dramatically the sport will die . HD is already hoping their customer base all live to be 80 , things are changing , we don't have any input on this. Other activities of our age are also going the way of the Dodo , Nascar has witnessed a huge decline in attendance , f1 is becoming less and less Eurocentric , relying on emerging nations to keep it afloat, and mostly supported by the gov'ts of these emerging nations as a way to proclaim their existence . American football will drop in popularity because of recent events , as will boxing and other sports that risk head injury . Change is inevitable , embrace it .
Dusty
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Change is inevitable , embrace it .
I will not! You know that Rush song 'Red Barchetta'? That'll be me, except it will be 'Black Griso', riding the back country roads to escape the Emissions Police in their air cars. :grin:
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I will not! You know that Rush song 'Red Barchetta'? That'll be me, except it will be 'Black Griso', riding the back country roads to escape the Emissions Police in their air cars. :grin:
Well , some of us will hold out for sure :laugh:
Dusty
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Well , some of us will hold out for sure :laugh:
Dusty
I'm with ya, brothers.. :smiley:
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Being a devoted retro aficionado, I'm waiting for a Nuevo Falcone Hydro.
Ralph
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I will not! You know that Rush song 'Red Barchetta'? That'll be me, except it will be 'Black Griso', riding the back country roads to escape the Emissions Police in their air cars. :grin:
:1: :thumb:
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I will not! You know that Rush song 'Red Barchetta'? That'll be me, except it will be 'Black Griso', riding the back country roads to escape the Emissions Police in their air cars. :grin:
Are you related to Mad Max? :)
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Are you related to Mad Max? :)
Related , hell , Mark IS Mad Max :laugh:
Dusty
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Bikes with training wheels because every one is so risk adverse.. !!
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Harley Davidson brach out into Virtual Reality and Care homes.
The first HD biker themed care home is opened in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 2019 to the proud anouncement there will be no daytime TV, no Opera. Residents will spent afternoons on VR tours: the big sur, route 66... when not touring zimmer frames are fitted with high riser bars. Carers wear leather pants.
The company admit they have struggled to develop their motorcycles past the technology of the 1950's but somehow they seem to have stumbled upon an effective treatment for Alzheimers.
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:grin: :grin: :grin: :huh:
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Kids are buying used bikes, talked to a 30 year old (kid) today. He picked up a used Yamaha Virago for 1.5k.
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Kids are buying used bikes, talked to a 30 year old (kid) today. He picked up a used Yamaha Virago for 1.5k.
was the bike also 30 years old?
And we complain about Guzzi names:
virago/vɪˈrɑːɡəʊ,-ˈreɪɡəʊ/
noun
a domineering, violent, or bad-tempered woman
and if not bad enough swap an O for an A and its a not very mixed up anagram of V..GRA!
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Where do you find the trend of abandoning edgy modern "transformer" styling?
Other than a few retros and the usual cruisers, the market is flooded with horrible origami styling.
Rocker, perhaps I should have said "beginnings of a trend". Citing the Honda Africa Twin, no beak, some of the new Suzukis and as you mentioned an emerging retro appreciation. As the Rock Man said, "We see what we want to see, we hear what we want to hear."
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It's already started. 3 wheeler trikes for the geriatric set and calling them motorcycles.
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Was glancing at what I think was a Rickman Mettisse with a dustbin fairing at a Syracuse shop the other day, will the future be like the past? I think that the number of riders may well dwindle as (forgive the political.eco) the percentage of people with play money continues to shrink.