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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: idahorider on June 13, 2016, 12:13:43 AM
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Does the LeMans 1 have linked brakes?
Paul Emerson
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Yes.
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But not difficult to de link...
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I like the linked brakes on my CX100(LM II). Do you want to change them? Just because they're different than you're used to?
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I used my CX as an everyday commuter for many years and I got use to using the foot brake and not the hand brake lever. Mistake.
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You can use them exactly like unlinked brakes on pavement if you want to -- handbrake primary and footbrake to trim or add emphesis. Or you can do the opposite -- footbrake for normal, already trimmed braking, and add handbrake as needed for more emphasis.
People say linked brakes are dangerous and different. They're not. What's dangerous is thinking about them too much. What's different is that the footbrake is umpteen times more powerful than a standard rear pedal because it's working both axles, leading some (as commented above) to get complacent and not use the handbrake.
Next time you're at a rally look at front brake pad wear on linked bikes -- the left pad is almost always worn down more. In fact with linked brakes it's often possible to buy one pair of pads, put them in the right side, and rotate the right side pads to the left.
I offer via a lot of miles on Guzzis, that if 95% or better of your riding is done on solid pavement, linked brakes have all the advantage. If you have a long, sloping, hardscrabble driveway, run the unpaved alphabets a lot or regularly encounter unimproved or damaged roads, unlinking may have an advantage. There are times off-pavement when you need to drag the rear wheel while letting the front wheel spin free, and linked brakes can't do that. That's the only linked brake tradeoff I can think of.
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I offer via a lot of miles on Guzzis, that if 95% or better of your riding is done on solid pavement, linked brakes have all the advantage. If you have a long, sloping, hardscrabble driveway, run the unpaved alphabets a lot or regularly encounter unimproved or damaged roads, unlinking may have an advantage. There are times off-pavement when you need to drag the rear wheel while letting the front wheel spin free, and linked brakes can't do that. That's the only linked brake tradeoff I can think of.
Well put. When I bought my Mille GT, I assumed I'd want to "unlink" the brakes, but gave them a try. After using them for a while, I decided that they're really pretty well designed and for me, work very well. Even when coming home, riding downhill on my gravel driveway, I've never had the brake pedal cause my front wheel to skid.
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I have two bikes with linked brakes and a triumph w/o. Never been a problem. You should keep all the controls covered all the time anyway. Like RK sez, downhill on gravel is the only issue........but not much of one. I think the designers at the factory knew what they were doing.
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Roadkyll has nailed it.
Linked brakes take very little to get used to.
The only time I have wanted to delink mine is when I'm on hilly dirt roads or tracks, an environment the designers weren't even contemplating when they designed the Lemans.
I have 200,000 miles on my mk3.
A different front master cylinder for the front brake would improve power and feel and braided brake lines all round make a huge improvemt on their own.
Put a couple of thousand miles on them and see how you feel.
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After 20 years on a 4spd Shovel, then 3 seasons on a 76 R90, I would like to say I love the linked brakes on my Bassa.
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It took one ride for me to know that linked brakes worked well on my EV.
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For me it depends on how you ride.
I have used linked brakes that were almost invisible(different brand) to a guy that uses the front exclusive on pavement. I found the guzzi system lacking.(understatement)
So Guzzi linked system is unacceptable for me.
Nothing wrong, just wrong for me.
my .02
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I use all my brakes most the time when riding a bike/scooter with a linked brake system. On a non-linked setup I mostly use just my front brake(s).
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I realise some like linked brakes, I tried to like them but found the lack of front braking power from the RH lever too scary. After nearly 40 years of riding without linked brakes I just wasn't comfortable so I de-linked mine.
I can still get any benefit of linked brakes by using both front and rear together but I quite like to use the forwards weight transfer into a corner by using only the front brakes and the one front disc of the LM2 (when linked) just wasn't doing it for me.
Part of the reason may also be that my other bikes both have significantly more powerful front (but not rear) brakes and I want to keep a similar riding style/feel on the Guzzi as it is now second nature to me.
During the de-linking I also changed the caliper pistons (old ones were corroded), seals & pins and fitted new braided lines with a 15mm front master cylinder and 12mm rear and the braking is now very good for an old & heavy bike.
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Each to his own, personally I really do not like linked brakes...which is why I de linked mine.
I much prefer my braking using the 'normal' system with both front discs working together, and not having to use the rear brake unless I want to.
My LM2 has a PS15 front master cylinder feeding standard calipers via Goodridge hoses, biting on stainless discs with carbon ceramic pads. The rear has the same set up but with a PS12 mc.
Braking control, feedback, initial bite and overall braking are excellent and a definite improvement over standard, which is exactly what I was aiming for.
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Dukedesmo, Stevex,
What front calipers do you have? I'm thinking about de-linking my 04 Cali EVT and I have the 4 piston Brembo gold. I'm trying to figure out if I need a 15mm or 16mm master cylinder. On MG the 15mm was suggested, but I'm not clear for which calipers.
Why do I want to de-link: Two incidents. One was just about dumping the bike in a mall type parking lot at about 10mph or less in a bit of a panic type stop while I was still leaned over a bit from a turn. The other was when a car wanted to make a right turn in front of me. Did I mention I was in the right lane and he was in the left. Well I hit the rear brake and both wheels locked up. Fortunately this was at about 15-20mph and in a straight line.
I'm a bit afraid of a panic stop on the freeway in the wet at 60mph in a curve and the front dumping on me. If one brake is going lock I'd rather it be the rear.
The problem could be just muscle memory from riding drum brakes for the last 30+ years. I really want/wanted to like the linked brakes! For the most part they are fine.
Tom
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I have the old P08 2 piston calipers and a 15mm master cylinder works fine.
For Brembo 4 piston calipers you'll be wanting bigger than 15mm, I would advise a 19mm - I use 19mm Brembo RCS on my Ducatis which have Brembo 4 pot calipers (albeit radial calipers, but the same 'size'). I like the RCS because you get 2 settings to alter the feel and they are a quality item.
In fact I'm using a 15 RCS on the Guzzi but needed the harder/faster setting or the lever comes back too far, on that basis a 16mm would probably be OK too.
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As we discussed in a recent topic -- remember -- a radial master cyl needs to be a few mm larger than a horizontal pump due to the distance between the center of the piston and the pivot point of the lever. In a conventional pump that distance is ~25mm - 27mm. On a radial it's more like 17mm - 20mm. That's what the "RCS" part of that fancy Brembo does -- change the pivot distance from 18mm to 20mm. The ~15% difference in the pivot length = ~4mm more master cyl diameter. So if you were happy with a 15mm conventional pump, a 19mm radial should be about right.
I like the radials for a number of reasons. They take up less space on the handlebar because the piston is pointed away from the bar instead of lying alongside it. They can be used neatly on fat bars for the same reason. They are ambidextrous -- can be used either on the left or right bar because the reservoir is remote -- will always be right side up. They're also available on ebay for under $100 complete and rebuild kits for the nissin type are common.
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Dukedesmo, Stevex,
What front calipers do you have? I'm thinking about de-linking my 04 Cali EVT and I have the 4 piston Brembo gold. I'm trying to figure out if I need a 15mm or 16mm master cylinder. On MG the 15mm was suggested, but I'm not clear for which calipers.
Why do I want to de-link: Two incidents. One was just about dumping the bike in a mall type parking lot at about 10mph or less in a bit of a panic type stop while I was still leaned over a bit from a turn. The other was when a car wanted to make a right turn in front of me. Did I mention I was in the right lane and he was in the left. Well I hit the rear brake and both wheels locked up. Fortunately this was at about 15-20mph and in a straight line.
I'm a bit afraid of a panic stop on the freeway in the wet at 60mph in a curve and the front dumping on me. If one brake is going lock I'd rather it be the rear.
The problem could be just muscle memory from riding drum brakes for the last 30+ years. I really want/wanted to like the linked brakes! For the most part they are fine.
Tom
Just try a different brake pad compound on the front to lessen the aggressiveness. Easy to try.
Also check and make sure the valve on the swingarm is operating properly.
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Thanks all for the info on the M/C size I should look for.
OMG, I feel the system is working fine. I did read about using a less aggressive LH pad. My bike has about 1" shorter shocks, so there should already be a little less front and more rear. For normal riding in the dry, I think it is a fine system especially for newer riders that don't want to use the front brake. I think it comes down to what I'm used to. 30+ years on drums is a lot of muscle memory :wink:
Tom
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You can use them exactly like unlinked brakes on pavement if you want to -- handbrake primary and footbrake to trim or add emphesis. Or you can do the opposite -- footbrake for normal, already trimmed braking, and add handbrake as needed for more emphasis.
People say linked brakes are dangerous and different. They're not. What's dangerous is thinking about them too much. What's different is that the footbrake is umpteen times more powerful than a standard rear pedal because it's working both axles, leading some (as commented above) to get complacent and not use the handbrake.
Next time you're at a rally look at front brake pad wear on linked bikes -- the left pad is almost always worn down more. In fact with linked brakes it's often possible to buy one pair of pads, put them in the right side, and rotate the right side pads to the left.
I offer via a lot of miles on Guzzis, that if 95% or better of your riding is done on solid pavement, linked brakes have all the advantage. If you have a long, sloping, hardscrabble driveway, run the unpaved alphabets a lot or regularly encounter unimproved or damaged roads, unlinking may have an advantage. There are times off-pavement when you need to drag the rear wheel while letting the front wheel spin free, and linked brakes can't do that. That's the only linked brake tradeoff I can think of.
Well if you're riding a sidecar or a cruiser/dedicated touring bike then yes. But on anything approaching a sports bike linked brakes are an abomination.
Ciao
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I wanted to add one more thought on my feelings about liked brakes. Read my posts first.
Without starting an ABS/oil thread :sad:
If my bike had an ABS system that "worked as ABS should", then I would leave the linked system as is.
Muscle memory, again is most likely the problem. as well as the nano-seconds of time the brain has to tell each part of the body what to do when. Ever think about all the things that need to be done to stop a bike? Off throttle, hands are moving to the clutch and brake, foot is moving to the pedal. All may not be in that order. I think my brain says throttle, pedal, front brake, clutch. As I mentioned, if a brake is going to lock in a panic I'd rather it be the rear.
Again, thanks for the thoughts!
Tom
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I was one of those who used the front brake only for 99.99% of my riding. So much so that on my first bike the rear drum would become sticky due to lack of use and corrosion. 15 yrs without bikes and then the Goose.
I learned that the foot pedal actually does something instead of just suggesting that the bike should slow a bit. :) I relearned braking habits, more easily cause it had been a long time since I rode. The linked brakes have made me use the pedal and it works very well, on good pavement.
One of these days I will delink them. Why? Because of slippery conditions that I find myself in every now and then. Greasy road, wet leaves, gravel on the road, etc, etc at a spot where I need to slow down a little. And dirt. Just does not do well so have to ride slower to compensate for lack of rear only brake. What I do now is use a LOT of engine braking, but, it is not very smooth unless slipping the clutch a lot.
Yes, some of this is because I am not a really good rider. Not a racer and not a ton of experience in the wet either. Only a bit over 100k miles on bikes, mostly commuting.
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What I do now is use a LOT of engine braking, but, it is not very smooth unless slipping the clutch a lot.
Not telling you what to do, but I avoid engine braking because a clutch is not a fun thing to replace. Brake pads are easy and cheap to replace.
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Speaking of linked brakes, I had a BMW that was linked opposite of my Guzzi -- the FRONT control activated both the front and rear brakes. I hardly ever used the foot control -
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Not telling you what to do, but I avoid engine braking because a clutch is not a fun thing to replace. Brake pads are easy and cheap to replace.
Which is why I don't like to do it. But, with linked brakes it is the only way to do the job.
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Well if you're riding a sidecar or a cruiser/dedicated touring bike then yes. But on anything approaching a sports bike linked brakes are an abomination.
Ciao
Exactly!
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Well if you're riding a sidecar or a cruiser/dedicated touring bike then yes. But on anything approaching a sports bike linked brakes are an abomination.
Ciao
This is nonsense. At least one national championship was won by Dr. John's linked-brake Guzzi racer. All three brakes were linked into a single system. (Oh, my!)
Moto
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This is nonsense. At least one national championship was won by Dr. John's linked-brake Guzzi racer. All three brakes were linked into a single system. (Oh, my!)
Moto
There are linked systems that are suitable for sport bikes.
On the Honda system ('98 VFR) when you pull the front lever you get all the pistons on both front discs and just a wee bit of rear. If you hit the pedal you get all the rear pistons and one set of pistons on one of the front discs, which for normal sport bike/track day riding is invisible/acceptable.
I'd bet that Dr. Johns system was like that, not like the stock system you find on the street Guzzis'
When your hanging off or in a trail braking situation no pushing on the pedal!
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edit: Of course I'm talking riding at a brisk pace!?!
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This is nonsense. At least one national championship was won by Dr. John's linked-brake Guzzi racer. All three brakes were linked into a single system. (Oh, my!)
Moto
No...it's an opinion.
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On the Honda system ('98 VFR) when you pull the front lever you get all the pistons on both front discs and just a wee bit of rear. If you hit the pedal you get all the rear pistons and one set of pistons on one of the front discs, which for normal sport bike/track day riding is invisible/acceptable.
Had the Guzzi system been like this I would have persevered with it, what concerned me was the lack of braking from the front lever - the rear activating at the same time could be a good thing in most circumstances.
Of course de-linked one can choose how much of each to apply...
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How does engine brakine create clutch wear? The clutch is ENGAGED.
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No...it's an opinion.
Most nonsense IS opinion. :rolleyes:
There are a lot of things that happen at the factory that don't lend themselves to "sportish" riding. Linked brakes may be one. Floorboards, big fairings, wide bags, stereos and pillions might be others. So what?
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Part of what I like about Guzzi linked brakes is that when you go into a corner too hot and hit the brakes, the front end doesn't take a nose dive, the whole bike just squats down and stays on your line. And it's about impossible to lock up the rear tire, so that's where it's like ABS.
Dr. John was racing endurance races, not flat out speed races.
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I can see if a guy that's had a bunch of track time might have a different opinion about linked brakes. I get that. I don't ride that aggressively, in fact that old Kirby guy dusted me riding my bike, with linked brakes! I know my limits and I stay within them. I like to stay out of the hospital, there are sick people in those places!
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How does engine brakine create clutch wear? The clutch is ENGAGED.
Obviously it doesn't while the clutch is engaged, but charlie b. mentioned slipping the clutch a lot when bringing the engine up to speed during engine braking to keep things smooth. An alternative is to blip the throttle to match the engine speed to the transmission input shaft speed before letting out the clutch, but that's rarely done perfectly. I'd rather just use the brakes and save the clutch.
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Obviously it doesn't while the clutch is engaged, but charlie b. mentioned slipping the clutch a lot when bringing the engine up to speed during engine braking to keep things smooth. An alternative is to blip the throttle to match the engine speed to the transmission input shaft speed before letting out the clutch, but that's rarely done perfectly. I'd rather just use the brakes and save the clutch.
My `91 Suzuki VX800 has a slipper clutch to do that for you unconsciously. I never slip the clutch on my Guzzis except when coming off the line. They're not made for that like a multi-plate wet clutch.
In fact the 1st time I rode a Guzzi(CX100) the clutch was so different than all the Jap. bikes I had ridden I wasn't sure I wanted to go down that road. I did learn to slowly let the Guzzi clutch lever out when down shifing or it would chirp the rear tire when suddenly engaging.
Far as not using the motor for slowing down, that's crazy. As long as you don't do it too long (say below 3K rpm) it won't hurt your clutch at all.....or blip the throttle, like what you had to do on a stick shift w/o synchros.
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This is nonsense. At least one national championship was won by Dr. John's linked-brake Guzzi racer. All three brakes were linked into a single system. (Oh, my!)
Moto
Yes and real championships ( read WORLD championships) have been won with bikes that had anti dive systems on the forks until they realised they were rubbish.
Ciao
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Careful there -- your snob is showing.
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Careful there -- your snob is showing.
No snob about it, US championships the same as Australian championships currently and for some time have been second tier even at national level.
Ciao
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No snob about it, US championships the same as Australian championships currently and for some time have been second tier even at national level.
Ciao
Second tier to what? MotoGP..........whe re the bikes are far more non production and they are allowed many more modifications? Even then the GP bikes aren't that much faster then the modified production bikes on the same tracks.
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But the topic is about the pros and cons of linked brakes in the everyday riding that we all do, not superbike championship circuits, which none of us do. All right. Some superbikers don't like linked brakes. Since everyone here does about 100% of their riding not on closed racetracks, why do we care?
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Second tier to what? MotoGP..........whe re the bikes are far more non production and they are allowed many more modifications? Even then the GP bikes aren't that much faster then the modified production bikes on the same tracks.
Have a look at my post it read National championship, MotoGP isn't a national championship its and INternational championship.
Second rate to at least the German,Spanish and British championships.
The only Europeans that come over to race in the US championships now are the washed up ones and come over for the payola and no stress racing.
Still ahead of us though as we attract NO internationals.
Ciao
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But the topic is about the pros and cons of linked brakes in the everyday riding that we all do, not superbike championship circuits, which none of us do. All right. Some superbikers don't like linked brakes. Since everyone here does about 100% of their riding not on closed racetracks, why do we care?
Correct, not about superbike championships, but you miss the point, even on public roads linked brakes are rubbish on a modern superbike, hell even on my V11 sport they would be crap.
Thats why nobody has them on a modern superbike because they are useless all round.
Its not about what you like but about what dynamics work with sports bikes or even sports tourers.
Look at the back brake of a modern showroom sports bike, tiny little 190mm disk and 2 piston caliper, the rear brakes not there to provide stopping power let alone get linked to the front brakes.
Ciao
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No, I think you missed the point. Nobody here has a modern superbike. We're on guzzis. We're average people riding average bikes, on average roads, averagely. And in that context linked brakesare being compared and discussed as personal choices. None of that superbike horseshit applies to us. Your only reason to keep on and on and on and on and on about it is to demonstrate your snobbery. So give it a rest already.
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No, I think you missed the point. Nobody here has a modern superbike. We're on guzzis. We're average people riding average bikes, on average roads, averagely. And in that context linked brakesare being compared and discussed as personal choices. None of that superbike horseshit applies to us. Your only reason to keep on and on and on and on and on about it is to demonstrate your snobbery. So give it a rest already.
I would have defined the term snobbery as someone that somehow decides they speak for others. As for Superbikes, what nobody here owns an MGS01 a Grisso a V11 sport in all its forms? I would call them all sports/superbikes.
As for me well I'm here and I have a Ducati1000ss, an 1198 Ducati a GSXR1000 track bike a Ducati ST2 and the old V11. So you certainly don't speak for me.
Ciao
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No, I think you missed the point. Nobody here has a modern superbike. We're on guzzis. We're average people riding average bikes, on average roads, averagely. And in that context linked brakesare being compared and discussed as personal choices. None of that superbike horseshit applies to us. Your only reason to keep on and on and on and on and on about it is to demonstrate your snobbery. So give it a rest already.
Exactly........no one here is comparing MG to Ducati or any other real serious racing brands. We're old street riders, that's it. You have plenty of other forums to disagree with if that's what you want.
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Have a look at my post it read National championship, MotoGP isn't a national championship its and INternational championship.
Second rate to at least the German,Spanish and British championships.
The only Europeans that come over to race in the US championships now are the washed up ones and come over for the payola and no stress racing.
Still ahead of us though as we attract NO internationals.
Ciao
What's your point, Phil, to remind us that our road racing turned to shit under the wrong management team for too many years and now it's getting back to what it once was under Wayne Raineys control/$? I am all too aware what has happened and why. It's going to take awhile to get up to speed again. If enough fans don't show up @ the races it will not be successful like it used to be, me being 1 of those former fans @ the tracks.
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I would have defined the term snobbery as someone that somehow decides they speak for others. As for Superbikes, what nobody here owns an MGS01 a Grisso a V11 sport in all its forms? I would call them all sports/superbikes.
As for me well I'm here and I have a Ducati1000ss, an 1198 Ducati a GSXR1000 track bike a Ducati ST2 and the old V11. So you certainly don't speak for me.
Ciao
Really? Besides yourself, what other comments have been from the nobodies that own the the MGS01, Grisso (THAT'S a SUPERBIKE????), V11 sport, etc. I'll save you time -- 'Nobody' is the word. Seems the ricky racer representation is confined to yourself.
What's that you decided a snob is? some who assumes to speak for others? You've not only assumed to speak for others, you've assumed the others.
The actual folks in the discussion aren't discussing the power-ranger-ride-in-circles set. We do real riding on real roads with real traffic, real weather, and real hazards to contend with. We don't care what works for the controlled conditions of track day and superbikes. As several folks have gently tried to tell you -- ours is a different world. And in that context, for a lot of folks, linked brakes are just dandy.
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As this thread proves, some like some don't
I don't but every summer I use my bros bike in UK that still has linked
Feels like I've got no brakes compared to mine here, esp deep into corner
but has one huge advantage when white finger sets in, just use the foot pedal, at least some brakes are there
Here I often stop and punch my other palm to get circulation going
So in light of old man's forum I'm betting both ways !!
On the other topic, I'm a full on engine braker, always have been, I don't wear clutches out, no logic in that at all
You know when someone is better than you cos you're using brakes to keep up when they're not touching them
Smooth doesn't wear anything out, it's the brutal braker / accelerator that kills stuff and generally gets in the way too
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Rural roads around here are often a loose surface ....I prefer to use rear brake only in these situations...
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Rural roads around here are often a loose surface ....I prefer to use rear brake only in these situations...
I have done a lot of experiments with my older California and the EV on loose gravel. Pressing the foot pedal hard enough will lock up the rear wheel and give a nice amount of drag on the front. In other words, it stops quickly and works very well, even on loose gravel.
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Linked brakes are so awesome that they were included on all the latest Guzzi models...
Oh wait... Guzzi currently has no new bikes with linked brakes...
Two of my seven Guzzis had linked brakes, and honestly I didn't like those brakes. I did like the LM1000 linked brakes better than those on the Bassa, but that's not saying much.
I know there are a lot of long-time Guzziphiles who enjoy the old Guzzis with linked brakes. Like Phil, I'm not one of them.
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But, on a different note.
A photo from Barbers Museum when it was located in downtown Birmingham.
(http://image.ibb.co/kZpcMF/DSC0010.jpg) (http://imgbb.com/)
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But, on a different note.
A photo from Barbers Museum when it was located in downtown Birmingham.
(http://image.ibb.co/kZpcMF/DSC0010.jpg) (http://imgbb.com/)
I love it!
"a unique feature on Guzzis, until the Japanese invented it".
:laugh:
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For the street, I started with non-linked brakes on Yamaha bikes. Then my wife made me switch to a Guzzi with linked brake system and since then I prefer that setup. For racing, no. To each their own preference. :boozing:
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On the Honda system ('98 VFR) when you pull the front lever you get all the pistons on both front discs and just a wee bit of rear. If you hit the pedal you get all the rear pistons and one set of pistons on one of the front discs, which for normal sport bike/track day riding is invisible/acceptable.
I notice it when using LOTS of front brake and changing down into corners, let the clutch out and the back locks up more than it should.
Upsets me once or twice a year.
Don't notice it for the other 7,999 miles
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I notice it when using LOTS of front brake and changing down into corners, let the clutch out and the back locks up more than it should.
Upsets me once or twice a year.
Don't notice it for the other 7,999 miles
I never had that happen on the street but on my first track day while dicing with a guy on an RC51 I had a moment when in very heavy braking I locked the rear with just the frot lever.
I think it was because I might have unloaded the rear so much from front brakes that it did lock up for a short time.
I blocked the fluid from the valve to the rear so no rear with the front brakes. Sorted.
I went back to a '97 VFR a year later. I like it much better than the "flexi frame" and linked brakes of the '98.
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When I got my Cali I delinked and ran this thread to find out general opinion. In those days [2006] it was around 50/50 but there were a few who had serious accidents caused by linking. That thread was lost in the forum crash that year.
I live on dirt and sometimes visit a friend who has a steep mountain track which is incredibly slimy when wet and has precipitous drops for hundreds of meters at every bend which are almost all hairpins. Without being able to engine brake and feather the rear wheel only down there I would have most likely gone off the edge, or at least fallen in the slime, so very happy I was delinked that first time.
I also concur that having them linked also results in very weak front handbraking which is not adequate in many situations.
In my case I swapped the front master cylinder for a Jap 12mm and added stainless braided lines. The result for me was at least a 30% improvement with great feel, and having ridden only British bikes before I was very happy with that standard setup.
I'm pleased to see the ground swell against linking the Guzzi way as I believe it is dangerous and antiquated.
I agree the BMW method of linking everything with the handbrake, but biasing the back , would seem the best option, leaving the rear brake able to be operated on it's own. Definitely the most sensible, but too complicated for me. Simplicity is better with no linking at all.
ABS is also quite hazardous on dirt unless very sophisticated. I think Beemer may have achieved this these days but it's just another very expensive toy to go wrong in my opinion.
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Did you use a 12mm MC to operate two F08 calipers? I thought it was supposed to be too small for that.
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Did you use a 12mm MC to operate two F08 calipers? I thought it was supposed to be too small for that.
I fitted a PS15 front MC to my 2 front F08's and a PS12 to operate my rear brake. I got the PS12 as NOS
originally intended for a Ducati 860GT, although it needed a bit of machining to orientate it to fit the LM2.
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Did you use a 12mm MC to operate two F08 calipers? I thought it was supposed to be too small for that.
Yes that's right. I was told and sold the idea by a bloke called Phil who owns a shop called Road and Race. He builds the best small Dukes in the universe and knows his shit.
He said I'd get better feel from the smaller master cylinder and he was correct. It pulled up on a dime if you really hung on but it was forgiving with a lot of variation in feathering unlike the typical disc that can be easily locked. At least for me, having been a drum brake guy all my life I found this extremely useable.
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Thanks for that info. I was considering it since running one disk with the 12mm it doesn't have a long pull. I figured twice the pull distance would not be horrible.