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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: oldbike54 on June 30, 2016, 12:20:07 PM
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This getting old thing can be unpleasant . Spent several days working and playing outside the last couple of weeks in our heat and humidity . It caught up with me yesterday morning . Woke up with a bad headache , stomach all whoppie jawed , unable to focus my vision . Just a bit scary , but not the first time experiencing these symptoms . Anyway after a couple gallons of water and several bottles of powerade , and lying in bed with cool air blowing , the recovery seems to be mostly complete . I bring this up as a reminder to all of you , er , well mature folks , be careful in the heat , and drink lots of fluids . Carry on :laugh:
Dusty
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I'm glad you caught the problem before you found yourself in the hospital like the guy who drilled my well did. Talk about irony... a well driller letting himself get dehydrated over a period of days until he collapsed. If you're not peeing fairly clear product every few hours, suspect trouble!
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In other words, don't end up a Meatloaf :grin:
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I have had a problem with dehydration in the past few years. Often times it manifests itself with really serious leg cramps. From what i can gather- it's not merely drinking water. You've been depleted of a lot of minerals, etc. Your body need potassium to process water and magnesium to process the potassium. I keep emergency packs of potassium/MG pills from the vitamin store. I'll pop one of those along with a vitamin B pill- and it seems to help a lot. It's a more concentrated form of drinking a powerade.
Try to think of replenishing potassium during the day. Your body needs a lot of it. Some really good natural sources (not to mention yummy) are bananas and dried apricots.
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Some really good natural sources (not to mention yummy) are bananas and dried apricots.
Orange juice is pretty good too.
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Orange juice is pretty good too.
Absolutely
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Glad to hear you're on the mend Dusty. Be careful out there. Any time you're not riding is dangerous. :evil:
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Tomato juice is also good .
Dusty
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If you know a day ahead of time that you will out in the heat for some time and especially if you are doing anything physical, drink as much water as you reasonably can starting 24 hours ahead and for sure 6-12 hours ahead. Once you are out doing something and start getting thirsty one can rarely keep up. Bananas and apples are good for this also. I have had a lot of experience spending 5-7 hours on a concrete runway in 90-105 degree heat and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly of out in the heat.
GliderJohn
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In senior citizen facilities, dehydration is one of the most common problems. The elderly don't even need to be in the sun working for this to happen.
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In senior citizen facilities, dehydration is one of the most common problems. The elderly don't even need to be in the sun working for this to happen.
Now that you mention it, I had to make an effort to keep my 90+ year old father hydrated. I think the problem was that he knew he had trouble controlling his bladder, and didn't want to make it worse.
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Yep...pretty much moved poodle walks, bicycle rides and motorcycle rides to early early or late in day. Brutal June sub-tropical sun is a big dehydration issue. I always bring water with me when riding.
Just ordered a new Shoei RF 1200 in white. White seems to help reflect heat?
Bananas, and heat out underwear help. Tour master mesh jacket.
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Re: hydration - Bananas :thumb:, banana daiquiris, not good.
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Through bicycling I discovered Endurolytes tablets . Used to have to order them from Hammer Nutrition , but they are available in many stores now ; we get them at REI .
They replace all the chemicals lost with perspiration and help body absorb water . Relieve cramps even after they start . I have never needed to take anywhere near the recommended dosage to stay comfortable .
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I had about a 6 mile walk in the hot sun to a parts store last weekend for a rear wheel bearing. Luckily the was a micro-brew opened about midway for me to 'recharge'.
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Absolutely
With lot's of ICE. :boozing:
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Dusty,
Tonights evening ride at sundown. Heat index only 102F. But no direct sun blast. As long as I am pedaling: quite pleasant.
Bugs up nose though. Great strength and cardio workout. Stopped mid-way for water intake, cooling now and drinking more water...
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Everybody:
Avoid sunburning your face and neck! :cool:
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It is hip to be cool!
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As a 59 YO Ridercoach, I deal with it by drinking a lot of water two days before range time. Calcium-Magnesium Citrate is a daily tablet along with the glucosamine. Most folks I hear speak of how awful the heat is but I'm used to it. I read a while back how modern humans have lost a fair amount of climate tolerance due to AC.
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At 72, I get leg cramps in bed. They can be very severe.
The doctors say magnesium. Tried that. No reult. Doctor said double the dose. Kidney pain. Stopped the magnesium.
Tried that "deadly by some accounts" sodium aka common salt tablets. Cramps are gone in two minutes with one salt tablet (two tablets on the really severe ones).
Seems to me that salt has become a bogeyman with the medical profession. Yes, it ups blood pressure, but only if it a constant high dosage. The occasional dosage when required is no problem.
Administered as a tablet removes the salt on food desire.
My 2 cent worth
Brian :bow:
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At 72, I get leg cramps in bed. They can be very severe.
The doctors say magnesium. Tried that. No reult. Doctor said double the dose. Kidney pain. Stopped the magnesium.
Tried that "deadly by some accounts" sodium aka common salt tablets. Cramps are gone in two minutes with one salt tablet (two tablets on the really severe ones).
Seems to me that salt has become a bogeyman with the medical profession. Yes, it ups blood pressure, but only if it a constant high dosage. The occasional dosage when required is no problem.
Administered as a tablet removes the salt on food desire.
My 2 cent worth
Brian :bow:
Hi Brian, I had very severe cramps when I was playing competitive tennis a while back. What worked for me was quinine water (tonic water) with cranberry juice, then 2 Tums. Used it last night after driving a truck yesterday and beginning to cramp. A small percentage of people have a VERY bad reaction to quinine, so beware of that.
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Tums contains calcium. Two years ago my back locked up along with a constant cramp down the left leg. I was unable to stand upright and stairs we almost impossible. (Clenched teeth , sweat and two handrails.) The massage therapist reckoned it was a result of the crash. Several weeks later things improved dramatically. Calcium-Magnesium Citrate, 2-1 ratio. Leg cramps at night are banished. The muscles need both one for contraction and one for relaxation I was told.
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Thermotabs is what I use. Over the counter buffered salt tabs.
Take as needed when ya know the heat is on for the job at hand. Harvesting wheat and binning wheat doesn't wait for cooler weather. Says on the bottle take one with large glass of water. I take two with a bottle of water and that usually gets me through. Sometimes twice a day is required. I will agree if ya can't have salt in your diet it will probably kill ya.
But I don't have that problem yet.
If I have a welding job to do that gets delayed till cooler parts of the day. Most of the time if they can't wait I just turn the job down.
That's one of the best things about my age 62 . I don't have to if I don't want to anymore :thumb: :grin:
Chet
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This article was in today's NY Times on the best fluids for rehydration: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/milk-and-other-surprising-ways-to-stay-hydrated
The winners were milk (either whole or skim) and Pedialyte (artificial electrolyte solution) at about 50% rehydration than water.
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There is nothing new in all this. These are just symptoms of dying. Get on with life while you still have some.
Oh, and drink to it.
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At the gas stops gaiteraid is often the least expensive drink in the cold case. Less than water, even. I get two big bottles for $3. Try to make it last till the next gas stop. Sometimes I drink 4 a day and still pee nothing in this heat.
Now for the big question facing us aging folks: My host has a full length mirror in the bathroom. What's up with that? I mean -- there's nothing appearing in that mirror that anyone wants to see. But I digress. As I passed it this morning I found myself wondering where my ass bone went. No wonder I need suspenders now . . . . what happened?
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Out here in the Mojave, the rule is a litre per hour - maybe more. There are a lot of different opinions on the matter of electrolytes and other things that may help with cramps, blood sugar levels and so on, but what matters more than anything else is that litre per hour of liquids.
And of course, no alcohol till your in the shade at the end of the day, and avoid caffeine (it's a diuretic) unless in the small amounts you find in things like iced tea. Coffee may be great to start the day, but limit it to one cup and if you have to drink sodas stick to the non-caffeine types.
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I carry a water bag with me every trip in the summer and stuff it with ice @ the motel before I leave for another day on the road. It has gotten me thru 124F rides past Baker and Needles, Ca. sipping on it every few minutes as needed. Otherwise I'd have to stop. The bikes/scooters take the heat better than me. If I cramp up I need a banana. My butt seems to be getting more sensitive while I age(72) on long rides. Or is it just my imagination?
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Everyone used to have a 'camel bag' on their hood ornament. It carried a gallon like a canteen, but it was a hairy burlap bag. You filled it, soaked it with water, hung it out in the wind and let it cool by evaporation as you drove. I can't find one or I'd have one. They took back the one I was issued in the park service.
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Everyone used to have a 'camel bag' on their hood ornament. It carried a gallon like a canteen, but it was a hairy burlap bag. You filled it, soaked it with water, hung it out in the wind and let it cool by evaporation as you drove. I can't find one or I'd have one. They took back the one I was issued in the park service.
Mine is a MSR hydration water bag I carry in my tank bag or hanging between my handlebars on my MP3 scooter. It has the hose setup so you can suck on it whenever you need to. When moving solo and not surrounded by traffic I raise my flip-up lower helmet part and stick the hose under it and drink away while still looking thru the helmet lense. Then when done drinking I puil the hose out, lower the helmet bottom lid(latch) and put the drinking hose where it won't flop around. If you wear an open face helmet all this is easier or some might put the water bag on their back.
My Rev Pack excursion bag I carry on my back seat also has pockets for 2- 16 oz. plastic bottles. If you saw my MuZ 660 Tour single @ the National you saw the Rev Pack collapsed bag on its back seat. It normaly carries all my camping gear+.
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Some good tips here for staying hydrated. :thumb:
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Everyone used to have a 'camel bag' on their hood ornament. It carried a gallon like a canteen, but it was a hairy burlap bag. You filled it, soaked it with water, hung it out in the wind and let it cool by evaporation as you drove. I can't find one or I'd have one. They took back the one I was issued in the park service.
Used to be common over here too RK - they were made out
of Canvas and slowly seeped like a fire hose, the evaporation
Cooling the water as you say.
Shirley could be made at home, the porcelain spout might be
A little hard to find but something could be adapted.
I've got a Camel Pack as a gift but haven't tried it,
it's all plasticky and I think the water would get warm - not to
My taste. I should see if I can make one - wife is a potter so
a spout should be easy!
Maurie.
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What worked for me was quinine water (tonic water) with ..................
Sapphire Blue Gin. :grin:
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Pop your shorts into the freezer overnight for a nice cool break next day.
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Sapphire Blue Gin. :grin:
Incorrigible : )
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There were several days of heavy heat riding out and back to John Day...I rode with a 3 liter camelback...filled it 1/2 way with ice and usually a zero sugar Gatorade or a Starbucks Mocha and the rest water, and sometimes with the Electrolyte tablets used for cycling. First day from Houston to Lubbock I consumed 3 full Camelbacks, 9 liters in total - it was a bruiser. When we hit 106 from Durango to Grand Junction, I probably went thru 2 full Camelbacks.
The plastic is easy to clean, but make sure you do to get any bacteria out of there...and I've found that filling it 1/2 way with ice keeps the drinks cool while slowly converting to drinkable liquid...so very good for hot days.
If you're not peeing, you're dehydrating!!
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Now hear this.....for fast AND high potassium intake COCONUT WATER.....you are welcome
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Works in the tropics. :thumb:
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Now hear this.....for fast AND high potassium intake COCONUT WATER.....you are welcome
Tasty too...comes in all kinds of flavors! Another good choice!
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Completed another round trip to NW Arkansas , was a bit more careful to stay hydrated , although at one point my brain did kind of cease to function due to a hot work environment . (Yeah , blame it on that some of you guys are thinking :laugh:) Hot ride back this morning , should have started earlier. Took the long way adding about 25 miles to an 80 mile trip . Kept on back roads with more shade and way less traffic , stopped a couple of times , met a friendly fellow rider , not a bad ride despite bright sun and high HIF . Still , the AC feels nice , a nap is probably on the agenda :grin:
Dusty
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More convenient to buy coconut water with all the work done for you. Tough work husking a coconut. :tongue:
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Through bicycling I discovered Endurolytes tablets . Used to have to order them from Hammer Nutrition , but they are available in many stores now ; we get them at REI .
They replace all the chemicals lost with perspiration and help body absorb water . Relieve cramps even after they start . I have never needed to take anywhere near the recommended dosage to stay comfortable .
Thanks for that! I tried Endurolytes yesterday and rode all day with ambient temperatures in the mid-90s. I took one tablet before ride and 2 separate tablets after ride and no adverse effects. I really think they made a difference.
By the way, I have tried coconut water and it helps but have to be careful with quantity. It can have a liberating effect on your stomach if you take too much.
But thanks!
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No one has mentioned the OTHER summer danger: Monkey Butt :evil:
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I did a little easy research into foods with the highest potassium content, and amazingly it's the potato. One medium sized potato contains around 800-1,000 mg.
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I did a little easy research into foods with the highest potassium content, and amazingly it's the potato. One medium sized potato contains around 800-1,000 mg, which is about 1/5 of the RDA for an adult.
Despite the recent bad press the potato gets , they are amazingly healthy . Many cases of folks thriving on a potato only diet for long periods of time .
Dusty
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What I found disappointing is the label I read on a can of Gatorade powder. One serving contains 4% of the RDA of sodium and 1% of the RDA for potassium. I'm better off drinking a glass of water and eating small piece of potato with a little salt on it.
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Baked potato chips are actually not a bad way to stave off dehydration . At least the lightly salted ones . In fact , Fubarguzzi swears by potato chips :laugh:
Dusty
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Sounds like this thread ought to be merged with the Temperature thread too... :thumb: :thumb:
Lots of those "sports drinks" are loaded with sugar and sodium...have to read the label closely...otherwise, it's just an insulin spike and energy crash shortly thereafter...
Water with electrolyte cycling tablets is a good way to go...cheaper too! (Guzzi content)
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Thing about wearing a camelback hydration system is they are good back protectors, saved me a few times while out on the MTB. :boozing:
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Harley hydration system. :boozing:
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Carry at least one-half gallon of water. -> http://www.ironbutt.com/tech/aow.cfm?AOWID=18
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Hey Rodekyll, if you find one of those desert waterbags let me know. I would love to have one again, OK? Thanks
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I worked construction most of my life and 40 years ago we never gave much thought to hydration...Working outside in hot weather we drank water a few times a day at breaks and lunch. If I was doing electrical contract work in a hot factory there the usual salt tablets next to the water cooler...I don't remember taking them often...I'm still the same way and go for long periods without drinking anything.. I don't sweat as much as other people.... might be part lizard...
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The V7R does better in high heat than my body does.... :embarassed:
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The bikes are in the garage. I've ridden twice in the last week. I won't ride again until it cools off to 94 next week.
I mowed the lawn today and thought I might die from the heat. I am too cheap for a self-propelled mower.
And I still have to do some grilling tonight.
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Stay cool!
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I am in sunny Phoenix this weekend and yesterday decided to ride my RT to see the Buddy Stubbs motorcycle museum, about a 30 minute ride from where I stay. Around 11:00 a.m. it was at least 112 degrees and a soft breeze that felt like a blast furnace on a bike.
The museum was great, a line of Vincents topped by a Brough, and lots and lots of beautiful Harleys and British bikes, just one 50's Guzzi Falcone and a gorgeous Gilera Staurno.
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The ride back at 1:00 was very uncomfortable, two bottle of water later and I was back home, the bike isn't moving again this trip. This is the first time the heat left me feeling sick, thankfully cured by cold beers and two hours in the pool.
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At 72, I get leg cramps in bed. They can be very severe.
The doctors say magnesium. Tried that. No reult. Doctor said double the dose. Kidney pain. Stopped the magnesium.
Tried that "deadly by some accounts" sodium aka common salt tablets. Cramps are gone in two minutes with one salt tablet (two tablets on the really severe ones).
Seems to me that salt has become a bogeyman with the medical profession. Yes, it ups blood pressure, but only if it a constant high dosage. The occasional dosage when required is no problem.
Administered as a tablet removes the salt on food desire.
My 2 cent worth
Brian :bow:
That is from lack of calcium, my grandma did that, oh, are you that old?
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Never taken salt tablets. A tour during Desert Storm, drank water and I figure there must have been LOTS of salt in the highly processed foods I had to eat(field kitchens, MREs). My booths were coated with salt every night and my cloths could stand up by themselves. I had 3 pairs of socks and underwear with me all the times, changed them out every hour or so, rinsed them simifresh water, dried in minutes. No monkey butt or jungle rot!
I think we have plenty of salt in our foods if you are not a laborer and drink water when its hot. Finally got a mesh riding jacket with protective padding. What a difference, I'm in Pensacola area, mid 90s every day have no care for heat index :weiner: as long as I keep moving the riding has been way more enjoyable!