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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: willowstreetguzziguy on July 02, 2016, 07:47:04 PM
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Picked up an UFI Guzzi oil filter at the dealer then stopped at an Advanced auto parts store for a filter wrench. With filter in hand, I tried all the ones on display and none fit. So I bought an expanding cam-like wrench for $12. It might work?! It works with a 3/8" wrench and looks like it might loosen the filter but because of the way the cam rotates, it won't tighten the filter. I know some say just hand tighten the filter but I like to snug it up. I can't get my hand up in the recessed area to grab hold of the filter. What do you use?
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I use a metal cap-style filter wrench - but then again, I also use Mobil1 M1-102 filters rather than the UFIs...
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It depends on what filter you are using. A few years ago, UFI changed from the 8 flat to the 14 flat, IIRC. You may or may not have a NOS old filter. They are out there. I use the Bosch 3330 any more after having too many issues with UFIs. It's an ok filter, available anywhere.
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You need to bite the bullet and buy the special wrench if you want to use UFI filters.
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I ended up buying a cheap pair of Chinese channel-locks at Harbor Freight and grinding the OUTSIDE of the jaws down til they fit in the recessed area. They work great and still work as Channel-locks for other uses.
Bill Lovelady IS
Eskimo Spy
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The filter I just bought is a UFI 8-side filter
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The filter I just bought is a UFI 8-side filter
Takes a special wrench, not available in your local auto parts store.
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OK, so the wrench is not available in auto stores (same for the 10-60 Oil), has anyone used an equlivalant Purolator or Fram oil filter?
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Picked up an UFI Guzzi oil filter at the dealer then stopped at an Advanced auto parts store for a filter wrench. With filter in hand, I tried all the ones on display and none fit. So I bought an expanding cam-like wrench for $12. It might work?! It works with a 3/8" wrench and looks like it might loosen the filter but because of the way the cam rotates, it won't tighten the filter. I know some say just hand tighten the filter but I like to snug it up. I can't get my hand up in the recessed area to grab hold of the filter. What do you use?
The recessed nature of the filter mounting is the real problem. Protects the filter nicely but prevents you from using any kind of strap wrench for removal and tightening by hand for installation which are the techniques I use for all other vehicles. I tried everything and then bought the wrench from MG Cycle.
Make sure the rubber sealing gasket comes off with the filter when you change it out. Mine gets stuck periodically.
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OK, so the wrench is not available in auto stores (same for the 10-60 Oil), has anyone used an equlivalant Purolator or Fram oil filter?
I like WIX filters and you should be able to cross reference the UFI or the Bosch on the WIX site. WIX makes filters for Fram but are higher quality. Just make sure specs are the same (bypass pressure etc.)
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Did you try turning that cam-type wrench around?
I use one for both installing and removing. Just flip it over and it cams in the opposite direction.
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I originally got one that didn't exactly work... It was the proper 76mm, 14 flute but it was plastic and wanted to distort and slip on the filter flutes (actually purchased through a Guzzi source). I ordered a metal wrench (haven't used it yet) but it seems much more secure. This is the one I bought and seems a better design for the application:
http://tinyurl.com/gwqaf5b (http://tinyurl.com/gwqaf5b)
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8 flute, 76mm-AF. I can get them at 'Wottalottacrap Auto'. If your local Pep Boys/Auto Zone place doesn't have one they should be able to order one in. They fit filters for a host of vehicles.
Pete
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It depends on what filter you are using. A few years ago, UFI changed from the 8 flat to the 14 flat, IIRC. You may or may not have a NOS old filter. They are out there. I use the Bosch 3330 any more after having too many issues with UFIs. It's an ok filter, available anywhere.
+1 on the Bosch 3330.
Commonly available wrench fits perfectly. Haven't lost a drop after cursing the 1st couple of UFI filters.
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Hey willow. My wrench is a imperial if-768. 8 sided for the 1200, hope that helps.
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OK, so the wrench is not available in auto stores (same for the 10-60 Oil), has anyone used an equlivalant Purolator or Fram oil filter?
Matching filters include:
Purolator PL14476 / PL14477 (PureOne version, preferred over standard Purolator if available)
Mobil1 M1-102 (I use these)
Bosch 3330 (many Guzzi owners like these, often available at WalMart and other mass market sources)
Walmart Supertech ST4967 / 4386 (these test surprisingly well)
Where two filter models are listed, in general the one with the larger gasket ring is preferred (although both fit, the smaller ring may not seal as effectively).
Fram is not recommended by most sources; I cut one apart and decided never to use them again.
See http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html (http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html) for additional info.
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Thanks for the info. I found the Mobil 1 M1-104 oil filter and a corresponding filter wrench at Pep Boys and it went on smooth. It was taking off the old one that was a hassle.
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Thanks for the info. I found the Mobil 1 M1-104 oil filter and a corresponding filter wrench at Pep Boys and it went on smooth. It was taking off the old one that was a hassle.
I hope that was a typo - you need the 102, not the 104. The 104 has a stiffer bypass valve rating than the 102, which has the same rating as the stock filter for the CARC bikes.
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Yes that was a typo. I got the M1-102.
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I have a machined, aluminum filter wrench (sold by Harper's). Trust me on this- just buy the wrench. It is a beautifully made piece of equipment and works perfectly. It;s made my a small machine shop in NH and is worth every penny. It seems hard to justify before you use it...but not at all once you slip it on.
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+1 Boatdetective!
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I have an adjustable one I got at an autoparts store... Works on all my bikes (including my B1100) to remove the filter... You can even get one at Harbor Freight with a coupon.
(http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_23683.jpg)
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How many flutes on the Bosch?
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How about a screwdriver and hammer? :popcorn:
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How about a screwdriver and hammer? :popcorn:
Good for removal - problematic for installation of the new one! :evil:
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Good for removal - problematic for installation of the new one! :evil:
Hand tighten. :popcorn:
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How many flutes on the Bosch?
14 flutes
I got the wrench and the 1st filters at AutoZone to make sure they were simpatico. Now I just order a filter occasionally from Amazon when I know I've got an oil change on the horizon. I've never had to crank on it to get a good seal. Hasn't lost a drop with the Bosch. Although the wrench adapter is stamped steel, I've not had any issues with the filter binding or not wanting to release. Works like a cheap little champ!
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u171/ssasser/Mobile%20Uploads/20160707_181258_zpsajp9ghmn.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u171/ssasser/Mobile%20Uploads/20160707_181312_zpszawzkbvx.jpg)
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Matching filters include:
Purolator PL14476 / PL14477 (PureOne version, preferred over standard Purolator if available)
Mobil1 M1-102 (I use these)
Bosch 3330 (many Guzzi owners like these, often available at WalMart and other mass market sources)
Walmart Supertech ST4967 / 4386 (these test surprisingly well)
Where two filter models are listed, in general the one with the larger gasket ring is preferred (although both fit, the smaller ring may not seal as effectively).
Fram is not recommended by most sources; I cut one apart and decided never to use them again.
See http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html (http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html) for additional info.
Will these filters fit a 2008 Norge with the 2 valve engine vs. 4 valve?
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I use the Bosch 3330 and this wrench "Amico+74mm+Inside+Dia+13mm+Square+Drive+14+Flute+Oil+Filter+Cap+Wrench"
I got the wrench on Amazon back in 2014. That particular link is dead now but you can search, they are still on the site
I have mostly stuck with the bosch because my Subaru uses a 3333 and the Breva 3330 so it's easy to remember- plus it's the same wrench for both
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Will these filters fit a 2008 Norge with the 2 valve engine vs. 4 valve?
yessir
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I find the Hyflow HF551 filter which maker says is for Moto Guzzi to be very good.
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Oil Filter Wrenches are so last Century . . .
(https://i.ibb.co/qYf7YhC/s-l1600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qYf7YhC)
So your Oil filters and Sump Drain Plugs aren't wire-Locked?
Tut-tut! :grin:
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So I bought a Walmart Supertech ST4967 filter. It didn't have any "4386" indication on it. It's approximately 64mm in diameter measured from a flat on one side to a flat on the other. I also bought a stamped steel oil filter wrench (just the big socket part) from Walmart for about $3. The wrench says it'll fit 65 to 67mm filters, and it has 2 sets of flats. Bigger diameter ring at the edge of the socket, smaller diameter ring further in. The smaller ring of flats seems to fit the new filter OK though.
However the filter that Sloan Cycles in TN installed is approx. 72mm in diameter measured from a flat on one side to another. Is the ST 4967 I bought correct? It's a lot smaller than the one Sloans put on. I can't see any identifying marks on it since it's recessed into the pan. Wondering what to do now. Buy the Harbor Freight adjustable wrench? Buy a filter that's as big as the one installed?
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So I bought a Walmart Supertech ST4967 filter. It didn't have any "4386" indication on it. It's approximately 64mm in diameter measured from a flat on one side to a flat on the other. I also bought a stamped steel oil filter wrench (just the big socket part) from Walmart for about $3. The wrench says it'll fit 65 to 67mm filters, and it has 2 sets of flats. Bigger diameter ring at the edge of the socket, smaller diameter ring further in. The smaller ring of flats seems to fit the new filter OK though.
However the filter that Sloan Cycles in TN installed is approx. 72mm in diameter measured from a flat on one side to another. Is the ST 4967 I bought correct? It's a lot smaller than the one Sloans put on. I can't see any identifying marks on it since it's recessed into the pan. Wondering what to do now. Buy the Harbor Freight adjustable wrench? Buy a filter that's as big as the one installed?
The two critical factors are the size of the seal at the base of the filter, and the thread where the filter attaches. After that, it's all a question of the actual filter media inside, and how much open space or filter media is used by the manufacturer. A physically larger filter (case) may have exactly the same amount of filter material as a smaller one, no way to say without cutting it open. A larger filter might use media that is less permeable, and have more space to allow enough flow without creating bypass pressure.
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Don't forget the Bypass pressure setting, although I'd expect most Filters to be fairly close in that regard.
Filters do seem to be getting physically smaller.
The one I just put on my 2008 Mazda 3 is around half the size of the ones I use on the Stelvio.
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I ended up returning the stuff from Walmart and buying an UFI filter from MG Cycles, along with a bunch of other stuff.