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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mikecosentino on July 03, 2016, 03:15:15 PM
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My 2016 V7 II is broken down in Lake Placid, NY and I was wondering if anyone was able to provide any info on the nearest Moto Guzzi dealership.
My bike has 3,200 miles on it and just had its 3,000 mile service. The clutch has been sticking a little recently and during the service they said they adjusted it. Today while riding I lost all power and the revs dropped. I got the bike into neutral and pulled over. Trying to put the bike into gear causes a grinding noise, but the gears never engage. I have the bike towed to the hotel I'm staying at and the next step is to figure out where I can take this.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Mike
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Mike, I'm on the opposite coast so I can't help. But hang in there -- someone with the information and assistance you need should be along shortly.
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There is a dealer in Gill, MA. Probably a lot closer than the NY ones. http://ajcycle.com/
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I am in new city ,ny 10956
I have a garage and I can offer to keep your bike as long as you need.
I am not around the corner but if you need a place to store it , my door is open.
Just tow it down here.
Let me know, and I pm u my phone number.
Marco
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Mike, there is also Hamlin Cycles in CT. I am in Glens Falls, about 1.5 hrs south. Where are you headed? or home? Maybe PM me.
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Mike, are you a member of MGNOC? If so check the contact directory for local helpers. If not I will find someone close and PM you.
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Mike, I am the one that stopped on my Norge with the dog on board. Glad to see you are here on this site! My offer of a garage still stands. I'm about 20 minutes from Lake Placid. Pretty sure I could borrow a trailer. I saw the Central Garage flatbed headed your way when I left. To anyone else, I tried a cable adjustment- there's something serious going on inside the tranny, just as Mike describes. Let's hope Roadside Assistance is helpful to you. The airport is also not far with flights to Boston connecting to NY. Glad to help if I can...
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New bike under warranty, there is roadside assistance.
It's not your trans, it's your crank wear pads! We swapped a motor out couple weeks back, yes, it's happening again to new V7's. Just like in the 80's on the 650's.
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Thanks for the help everyone and thank you Adk.IBO for stopping to help. We have a couple of numbers that I'll be calling to see if they can work on the bike.
My fiance and I are up in Lake Placid for the weekend from Manhattan. I used the provided roadside assistance to get it towed to a local garage. The person who towed it said he'll speak with a friend to see if he knows of anything to get us going, but guzzisteve's message doesn't make me think this bike will be driven out of here. I'll be making some calls, but it looks like we're going to have to get the bike towed to further south. Worst case situation it gets towed to my Manhattan dealer. Ideally not, but we'll see how it goes.
Thanks again for the help every.
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New bike under warranty, there is roadside assistance.
It's not your trans, it's your crank wear pads! We swapped a motor out couple weeks back, yes, it's happening again to new V7's. Just like in the 80's on the 650's.
What are crank wear pads?
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Tow it to Jim Hamlin's Guzzi shop in Bethel, CT.
"Hamlin Cycles". He'll get it fixed. Don't trust just "any" dealer in the book.
http://hamlincycles.com
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Jim Hamlins shop is the best. It's about an hour and a half from NY city so a fairly close pick up and it will be done right.
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What are crank wear pads?
I'm guessing Steve means these: #9 in the diagram
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What I'd call a thrust bearing. Controls end float of the crank.
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Guzzisteves explanation makes sense. As the thrust washer or the crank wears the clutch would go out of adjustment as the adjustment is effectively needed to "follow" the crankshaft forward. I have just changed my mind about a V7 II. I hope this gets sorted quickly and properly for all those affected.
Cheers, voncrump
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Why would that issue cause loss of power?
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Was gearbox oil changed at 3000 mile service? How much was put back in? Sometimes the gearbox oil requirements gets confused with the transmission oil amounts. Or the tech thinks the transmission is attached to the engine instead of the rear wheel. I hope this isn't the case.
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Sounds like a bearing or gear on a shaft in the transmission has seized. This problem came on quickly so it wouldn't be the thrust shims.
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Was gearbox oil changed at 3000 mile service? How much was put back in?
I wondered that as well and the motor runs fine. I got it to feel like it was in 1st gear ( the gear lever became solid) then when you start to let the clutch out the grinding began. Did not sound good. Oil had been weeping out the tranny vent also. Maybe overheated?...
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Was gearbox oil changed at 3000 mile service? How much was put back in? Sometimes the gearbox oil requirements gets confused with the transmission oil amounts. Or the tech thinks the transmission is attached to the engine instead of the rear wheel. I hope this isn't the case.
My first thought , they put 150 cc's of oil in the trannie .
Dusty
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3000 mile service? V7's call for 600 mile for first, then 6000 mile for second. That might tell you something about the dealer. Has that changed with the V7II?
I agree, they probably confused "transmission " with "gearbox" and severely under filled the tranny.
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I think the gearbox which Is attached to the engine is under filled and the transmission attached to the rear wheel may be over filled. If this is the case the dealer probably won't get it covered by warranty and will have to replace gearbox at his expense. Ouch
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In old mechanic-speak, the gearbox is what's attached to the engine, as in a "Burman Gearbox". The rear drive is what contains the ring and pinion gears and drives the rear wheel.
No??
Ralph
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Jeez, I do hope they didn't only put 150ml in the gearbox. How does that even happen???
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Jeez, I do hope they didn't only put 150ml in the gearbox. How does that even happen???
Well, in the US the terms used in the Guzzi documentation are often puzzling to the uninitiated. For example, 'transmission' and 'gearbox' mean the same thing to a US reader; if you were to ask most people, transmission is the term more associated with where the gear changes occur. In the small block docs, at least as distributed here, transmission is listed first - and calls for a much smaller amount of lubricant. Only by using logic and understanding the 'overflow on the threads' measuring method would most people get it right without guidance.
Going from the owner's manual, an unschooled tech could very easily put the volume intended for the final drive into the 'transmission' (i.e., gearbox). Sad but true...
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How? They've just drained the part, gearbox or final drive! Surely they can judge the difference between less than 200ml and half a litre! Are they blind? Do the manuals have to be written in brail?
With the bevelbox if you try and pour half a litre into the poxy thing through the fill/level port you'll have a lake of 85/140 to swim around in on the floor! Wouldn't that ring a couple of bells?
My first Guzzi was a poxy V50 back in the mists of time when I was a callow youth who had never owned anything apart from worn out, crappy, pommy shit! I wasn't born with a 'Greasy Thumb' and learnt a lot of stuff the hard way, but filling the gearbox and bevelbox on that great pile of rattling pus was really NOT a challenge. Nowadays it seems that you can be paid handsomely to screw stuff like this up!
Boggle, Boggle goes my mind!
Pete
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It is starting to look likely that a stuff up has been made with the servicing. This is of no comfort to the original poster but if that is the case then it is no fault of the bike. To answer the question about the engine loosing power through worn thrusts it can happen when the thrust washers are very worn and then the engine labours when the clutch is pulled in. This is caused by the side loading of the rest of the parts or contact of a rotating part with a casting. This can cause a grinding sensation and slow the engine down at idle or even stall it. As this thread has progressed all the evidence seems to be pointing to a seized gear box. Was the bike able to be rolled along in neutral? I hope we get the answer to the cause of this problem soon.
Cheers, voncrump
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So a new bike with 3000 miles suffers a crankshaft bearing failure ? Won't go into gear, makes a grinding noise so it's a tranny issue? Perhaps...but my first thought is a broken clutch cable...Or a hydraulic clutch cylinder or release bearing failure...
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The fact it idles fine but the grinding occurs when gears try to be engaged points to gearbox for me. Worn thrust faces may slow the engine when the clutch is pulled but is unlikely to make grinding noises.
I'm half a world away but I'm thinking, going on past history with idiots as mentioned on this site, that it's an under-filling issue. I hope I'm wrong.
Pete
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Mike you and your fiance might want to think renting a Uhaul to get you and your bike back to your dealer. You are going to need transportation anyway and if indeed the servicing dealer is at fault they should also pick up the tab for the uhaul which would be a lot cheaper for them than a tow truck.
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Mr.Nevada made a similar mistake when servicing his bike, with the same grinding noises coming from the transmission. In the end, he had a dealer replace the transmission.
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Mike you and your fiance might want to think renting a Uhaul to get you and your bike back to your dealer. You are going to need transportation anyway and if indeed the servicing dealer is at fault they should also pick up the tab for the uhaul which would be a lot cheaper for them than a tow truck.
Great idea! I have lots of experience securing bikes in trucks. My offer to help still holds.
.The fact it idles fine but the grinding occurs when gears try to be engaged points to gearbox for me. Worn thrust faces may slow the engine when the clutch is pulled but is unlikely to make grinding noises.
The fact it idles fine but the grinding occurs when gears try to be engaged points to gearbox for me. Worn thrust faces may slow the engine when the clutch is pulled but is unlikely to make grinding noises.
I'm half a world away but I'm thinking, going on past history with idiots as mentioned on this site, that it's an under-filling issue. I hope I'm wrong.
Pete
I'm half a world away but I'm thinking, going on past history with idiots as mentioned on this site, that it's an under-filling issue. I hope I'm wrong.
Pete
I agree with this, the cable operated correctly, adjusted the thumb wheel- no difference. Wish I had tried moving the bike, verifying clutch operation... Very unfortunate, nice young couple on a 2 wheel getaway weekend with lots to do and see, great weather. Don't give it up Mike and Beth!
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The more I thought about it I think it'd be better to get my bike back to the dealer that did the service and they can fix whatever went wrong. Be it bike or mechanic failure, I think it's best they work on it since they have records of what they did during the previous servicing.
With it being Sunday and everyone being closed I did a little research on getting this bike back to Manhattan. Madtownguzzi, I had the same idea and found a U-Haul location here that also has a trailer. Im going to be giving them a call this morning and that'll probably be the best method because it'll get my fiance and I home along with the bike.
I'll let everyone know how it goes and once I get an update from the dealer I'll let you all know what they say is the problem.
Adk.IBO, I might take you up on the offer to assist with securing the bike. Thank you.
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My pleasure (really). I have a ramp and a wheel chock I made from 2x4s. I can make another one. Takes about 1/2 hour. I would suggest a small truck not a trailer. If you have trouble getting a hold of u-haul in Lake Placid I know the owner of u-haul in Tupper Lake. Still got my card, right?
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Rent a U-Haul van, go to Lowe's or HD and buy a ramp which is cheaper than renting a trailer and pick up some ratchet tie downs. Towing a trailer in the city is no fun, as I have done it a few times.
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Run, do not walk away from the dealer and "mechanic" that serviced it. Local guys are telling you where to take it.. pay attention. :smiley:
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Run, do not walk away from the dealer and "mechanic" that serviced it. Local guys are telling you where to take it.. pay attention. :smiley:
Yes, but if the servicing dealer is at fault then how does this get resolved while being fixed at another dealer?
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Yes, but if the servicing dealer is at fault then how does this get resolved while being fixed at another dealer?
I think the issue is "being fixed." The "mechanic" couldn't even service it properly. I wonder how he will do when faced with a real job? <shrug>
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Let the dealer know you will have to take it elsewhere due to logistics and don't touch it. Advise the new guy what we suspect and to document everything . That's what I'd do and the original dealer will squak and say he can't be responsible if you don't bring it back to him and he has a valid point. If I screw something up I'd want to make it right.
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At this point the owner doesn't know if it's the previous service that caused the problem or not. It will take a proper shop and perhaps intervention from the home office to determine that. Since there is not yet a line dawn between the service and failure, the owner needs to do what he needs to do to control the situation. This means getting it to a place where he feels safe and confident for the analysis/repair. I would say that given the probability of shop screw-up, having that same shop investigate themselves for incompetence is not a good idea.
So I vote with taking it to the best place you can be recommended to. The possibilities for liability are on the warranty if a product failure, or it's on the shop if it's a procedure failure. Although the owner may have to front some $$ to the successful shop, he's going to get it back.
$0.02
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I think the issue is "being fixed." The "mechanic" couldn't even service it properly. I wonder how he will do when faced with a real job? <shrug>
I agree, but if he is going to take that route then I'd just have Guzzi tow it to the dealer in Connecticut, and take the train back into the city, then notify the original dealer tomorrow morning. First, I'd like to know if there is any oil in the transmission.
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Run, do not walk away from the dealer and "mechanic" that serviced it. Local guys are telling you where to take it.. pay attention. :smiley:
At this point do we know what is even wrong?
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Jim Hamlin has been in the Guzzi game for quite a while.
Give him a ring, have a chat, and follow his advise. If there is ANY way to have him fix your bike you'll be in the best place in the east.
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The problem is that nobody yet knows for sure what the problem is.
Lots of us are suitably cynical that we reckon that the shaved ape who 'Serviced' it was an imbecile but we don't know that for sure.
Unfortunately I've been on the receiving end of a suggestion from the biggest dealer in Melbourne who delivered a bike with NO oil in the gear or bevelbox that I "Just put oil in it and see what happens.", this when it was bought to me for the first service at 1500km. That sort of attitude is, unfortunately, not uncommon.
So the owner is in between the devil and a hard place. If he takes it back to the place he doesn't really trust how can he tell he won't be given the bum's rush? Alternatively if he takes it elsewhere, firstly, that shop will be rightly snitty about being asked to pick up someone else's shit, but also he runs the risk of hands being washed by original shop and possibly importer.
Tough call. But it's one of the reasons it's a good idea to do your research BEFORE you purchase and not just go for the cheapest option or closest dealer. YOMV?
Pete
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I don't know this bike, but on my 750 Breva, it's easy enough to open the gear box oil fill plug and check if there's oil. Either way, I'd take the bike to the guy who sold it to me. From a Louisiana law perspective, you need to give the guy who screwed up the chance to make it right before you sue him.
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My first thought , they put 150 cc's of oil in the trannie .
Dusty
My thoughts exactly. Under filled gearbox.
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The six speed on the V7-II doesn't have a level plug or sight glass. It just relies on the correct amount of oil being put in which is 500 ml from empty.
If only 150ml has been put n it will be particularly damaging for the six speed as it uses pressure fed bushings under the pinions and utilises an oil pump to deliver oil to them through the shafts. Running with insufficient oil will not just damage the pinion teeth but it will destroy the pump and bushings in very short order.
Pete
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The six speed on the V7-II doesn't have a level plug or sight glass. It just relies on the correct amount of oil being put in which is 500 ml from empty.
If only 150ml has been put n it will be particularly damaging for the six speed as it uses pressure fed bushings under the pinions and utilises an oil pump to deliver oil to them through the shafts. Running with insufficient oil will not just damage the pinion teeth but it will destroy the pump and bushings in very short order.
Pete
"My bike has 3,200 miles on it and just had its 3,000 mile service."
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I'm not sure why the selling dealer needs to service the bike. I'd think any authorized dealer can preform warrantee work.
It's hard to top Hamlin Cycles.
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"My bike has 3,200 miles on it and just had its 3,000 mile service."
On a bike that didn't need a "service" until 6K miles.
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Problem is, this may not be warranty work.
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Opps. I just restated the Guzzi Steve/thrust washer scenario. Check engine oil for metalic shiny bits floating around.
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I'm not sure why the selling dealer needs to service the bike. I'd think any authorized dealer can preform warrantee work.
It's hard to top Hamlin Cycles.
But warranty pays squatt so why should someone else have to fix someone else's mistakes? If it is due to gross under filling of the gearbox that isn't a warranty issue anyway, it's a competence issue!
Pete
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But warranty pays squatt so why should someone else have to fix someone else's mistakes? If it is due to gross under filling of the gearbox that isn't a warranty issue anyway, it's a competence issue!
Pete
I suspect warranty pays better in the US than in AU, but even if it doesn't the reason is that it's on Piaggio NA if one of THEIR OFFICIALLY LICENSED DEALERS screwed the pooch.
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Yeah, it's a warranty issue in the States, and any licensed dealer should be able to cover it.
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Better hurry before Italy goes on vacation....
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Better hurry before Italy goes on vacation....
That's GOOD.. :bow:
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I suspect warranty pays better in the US than in AU, but even if it doesn't the reason is that it's on Piaggio NA if one of THEIR OFFICIALLY LICENSED DEALERS screwed the pooch.
Agreed. But it should also be on the original dealer to sort the problem. If they can't because they are incompetent then whoever does fix it should get full $ payment for the repair. That's all. You don't get to fart through silk willingly fixing up other people's screw ups at a discount!
Pete
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Agreed. But it should also be on the original dealer to sort the problem. If they can't because they are incompetent then whoever does fix it should get full $ payment for the repair. That's all. You don't get to fart through silk willingly fixing up other people's screw ups at a discount!
Pete
If you fart through silk, does it smell?
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Agreed. But it should also be on the original dealer to sort the problem. If they can't because they are incompetent then whoever does fix it should get full $ payment for the repair. That's all. You don't get to fart through silk willingly fixing up other people's screw ups at a discount!
Pete
Totally irrelevant to the customer.
An agent acting on behalf of the corporation is the corporation.
What you're complaining about is the relationship between the dealer and corporation which is controlled by the franchise agreement, as well as state and federal laws.
But as far as the customer is concerned they're only worried about the warranty which is largely governed by federal warranty law.
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If the customer wants a happy ending he will stick his spluttering outrage up his arse, swallow his indignation and act like a decent human being. That means NOT stiffing someone else simply because they have been stiffed themselves.
The end.
Pete
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Well said. If it's covered the servicing dealer will be compensated. If not, then why let the original dealer have another go at it? Possibly to have them cover the cost of their error, if it can be proved.
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No one is talking about outrage, but IF the servicing dealer screwed the pooch, why should a Piaggio customer trust the same dealer again?
Pete, as you yourself noted earlier a DEALER wanted you to just add oil to an underfilled/damaged transmission and give it back to the customer.
The customer shouldn't have to trust am incompetent dealer any more than they should have to worry that a factory authorized franchise will be incompetent the first place.
But federal warranty law allows them to take it to any authorized dealer. And if the second dealer finds the first dealer screwed up, then it's not the customer's fault or problem, it's Piaggio's because the customer fulfilled their obligations having it serviced by a factory authorized dealer.
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And there is where we differ Kev. When the dickhead at *That Dealership* first spoke to me he told me that it was a 'Warranty Issue' and I should just suck it up. Luckily I'd decided to film the draining of the bevelbox after I found the gearbox empty so I at least has some dry powder to offer. As it was there was no way on earth I was going to take on stripping and rebuilding the gearbox and bevelbox of a brand new bike because another dealership was so feckless as to not even check the oil!
Never mind the fact that the *Reimbursement* would be paltry the fact is as soon as I laid a spanner on it, I'd own it. Any-bloody-thing that went wrong with it after that would be on my watch.
Rhymes with Duck that.
I'm really sorry for the OP. It shouldn't of happened. But I'm afraid I find the notion that "Oh well, we'll get someone else to fix it, even if it costs them hundreds of dollars." sucks balls.
People complain about "Customer Service". How about a smidgen of "Customer Responsibility"?
Pete
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Just an FYI, Mike dropped the bike off at the selling/servicing dealer on Tuesday and was told it would be a couple of days before they know anything as they were down a mechanic... I got this via text so this is all I know. Mike said he would keep me informed. Again, nice folks... No one was hurt, thank goodness! PIA for sure but it could have been worse.
Stay safe, John
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And there is where we differ Kev. When the dickhead at *That Dealership* first spoke to me he told me that it was a 'Warranty Issue' and I should just suck it up. Luckily I'd decided to film the draining of the bevelbox after I found the gearbox empty so I at least has some dry powder to offer. As it was there was no way on earth I was going to take on stripping and rebuilding the gearbox and bevelbox of a brand new bike because another dealership was so feckless as to not even check the oil!
Never mind the fact that the *Reimbursement* would be paltry the fact is as soon as I laid a spanner on it, I'd own it. Any-bloody-thing that went wrong with it after that would be on my watch.
Rhymes with Duck that.
I'm really sorry for the OP. It shouldn't of happened. But I'm afraid I find the notion that "Oh well, we'll get someone else to fix it, even if it costs them hundreds of dollars." sucks balls.
People complain about "Customer Service". How about a smidgen of "Customer Responsibility"?
Pete
But Pete, I didn't reference your experience with the idiot dealer as being applicable with regards to AU vs. US franchise agreements and business law. I only referenced it as a reason why a customer might not want to trust a dealer that already screwed up.
Your circumstance sucked, and I don't think it's right the way Piaggio reimburses you for warranty work.
But it's also irrelevant to requirements here in the US.
I can't say for certain how Piaggio reimburses their dealers in the US, but I bet it's more like every other OEM here which PAYS a negotiated warranty rate (yes, less than shop rate, but a rate nonetheless). And I suspect it's not in credit for parts. I do know that MOST dealers in the US do NOT shy away from warranty work.
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My knowledge is growing stale, but before Piaggio, Moto Guzzi Americas policy was to reimburse warranty work as parts credit. The owner of our dealership HATED Guzzi warranty work. We had a huge credit for parts that was never used.
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I think that's still the case.
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The work performed wasn't waranty work. It was maintainence. If the tech screwed up it is on the dealer to pay for the repair, not the factory.
If a HD tech did the work would HD be responsible or the tech/dealer?
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The work performed wasn't waranty work. It was maintainence. If the tech screwed up it is on the dealer to pay for the repair, not the factory.
That is what I think but I'd be curious to know if there is some contractual wording between authorized dealers and Piaggio regarding this level of incompetence. I can't believe there is blanket coverage from Piaggio if the dealer makes this type of mistake.
And if the transmission was run with such a low amount of oil to cause the owner to end his ride, will the filling of the transmission with the proper amount of oil end that noise? I would think not, and I know it's speculation but what do others think?
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Don't get me wrong, IF this is a case of improper maintenance the dealer is responsible for it.
But acting as a officially licensed agent of the OEM in the performance of OEM recommended maintenance, it doesn't void the warranty and I'm saying that ultimately the strict liability would fall on Piaggio.
I'm shocked that Piaggio gets away with parts credit reimbursement for warranty work in the US. But maybe dealers of most large scale brands don't blink an eye at that because it is just a case of money in a different column of the spreadsheet and it doesn't negatively effect overall cash flow for the business.
As for HD, you better believe corporate would get involved if there was such a problem and make sure a different dealer fixed it properly.
HD is much like any of the major automotive OEMs in that I've seen goodwill coverage after the warranty on a number of things. At the end of the day they recognize a commitment to the customer to stand behind the product.
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Interested to see how it plays out.
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Would like to know which dealer it is... For safety measures as I'm in NY as well. Please PM me if you don't feel comfortable revealing to all.
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The shop was doing the work due to customer request, not a warranty repair. IOW thbey were representing themselves, not Piaggio. I could see the factory covering itif it was warranty work due to defect. This MAY have been due to a tech's mistake (if it is the result of underfiling). That is NOT a warranty issue.
I would say the OP wil have to pay another dealer tofix it and then seek reimbursement from the first.
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The shop was doing the work due to customer request, not a warranty repair. IOW thbey were representing themselves, not Piaggio. I could see the factory covering itif it was warranty work due to defect. This MAY have been due to a tech's mistake (if it is the result of underfiling). That is NOT a warranty issue.
Customer request to, as an acting franchise of the factory, perform the factory recommended maintenance that is required to keep the warranty intact. As such the customer had a reasonable expectation that everything would be done to factory standards and the warranty would remain in full force. The dealer may have to repay Piaggio, but the customer shouldn't be on the hook for having to seek restitution from Piaggio's officially licensed agent.
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As per original poster/owner "They said the plates in the clutch broke and the parts will be arriving this week." Speaking of the selling/servicing dealer. Via text to me, that's all I know...
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That is better than a trany or motor. If it's mechanical it will break. A certain % fail .
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Well let's hope that's it then.
Pete
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Agreed wholeheartedly, compared to some of the scenarios spun in this thread...
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Finally texted Mike. He got the bike back and all is well. Clutch plates came apart, all warranted.
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All that weeping and gnashing of teeth for nothing... :sad:
I'm truly glad it worked out for the OP!
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All that weeping and gnashing of teeth for nothing... :sad:
As Seth wisely said on another thread, it's never for "nothing". We learn something about business, we learn something about how other people think and how they approach problems, and we exercise our fingers, which otherwise might have nothing to do ....
Lannis
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As Seth wisely said on another thread, it's never for "nothing". We learn something about business, we learn something about how other people think and how they approach problems, and we exercise our fingers, which otherwise might have nothing to do ....
Lannis
But really it probably meant NOTHING to the OP...
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But really it probably meant NOTHING to the OP...
True; but the way most WG threads go, that's not an uncommon thing! Not a bad thing necessarily, either ....
Lannis
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Glad to hear all is fine.