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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: canuck750 on July 07, 2016, 09:44:38 PM
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Looks really nice
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Moto-Guzzi-Lemans-1-/152153694925?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/JIM-PC/Pictures/s-l16003_zpsbrwzwiat.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/JIM-PC/Pictures/s-l16003_zpsbrwzwiat.jpg.html)
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there is lust in my heart..
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I'd look good on that. :) So many toys, so little time...
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:drool:
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$6200 current bid....Reserve Not Met.....7 bids....9 days to go...that bike will go for $12K or more.
Nice example. :thumb: :cool:
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$6200 current bid....Reserve Not Met.....7 bids....9 days to go...that bike will go for $12K or more.
Nice example. :thumb: :cool:
And yet, my friend Jim's red one was only bid to $8200...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Moto-Guzzi-LEMANS-/131861517302?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1eb38f13f6%3Ag%3AzJUAAOSwOVpXaIzv&item=131861517302&nma=true&si=xQkxbTmvicurPQJL1W7QBOQwXtE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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I am betting it will go for north of $14K
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Are the "ice blue" ones worth more $$ for some reason? Charlie's friend Jim's red one looks pretty sweet...I guess I just like Italian bikes in red! :thumb:
Rick.
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Are the "ice blue" ones worth more $$ for some reason? Charlie's friend Jim's red one looks pretty sweet...I guess I just like Italian bikes in red! :thumb:
Rick.
Ice blue are much rarer, and I think the white model is the rarest of them all.
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Very nice restoration. If this actually sells for over 14k I might have to consider restoring mine.
Pete
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Y'ep. There's one sitting in Joe Nicholae's bike museum on top of the local HD/Piaggio/Kawasaki dealership. Has an original oem battery with no acid in it. The bike hasn't run in a long time.
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For anyone out there Really considering this Lemans,This is absolutley the nicest Lemans I;ve ever seen. I know the owner well and everything on this bike has been gone over with a fine toothed comb.Mechanically every thing has been gone over by Halls Custom Vintage,one of the best vintage shops in the country.The cosmetic's are damn near perfect too !!! If you've got a pocket full of money this is the bike for you !!!
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Said it before and i'll say it again: I hope he gets a pantload of money for it. Rising prices on restorations are only good for the marque as a whole.
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That LM reminds me of the LM I @ Seal Cove Museum in ME, many years ago. Yes. It was original. Yes it was blue, with 6 miles on the odo. It was auctioned through Owls Head Museum. R3~
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Good thing it is so far away...just beautiful...
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Is there any way a Board Participant can block a thread where he cannot even see it (and be tempted)?
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My Ice Blue Lemon ( and it's not for sale)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gUCWFa/IMG_0295.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gUCWFa)
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That is a very nice example. Is the instrument cowl off a later model (mkII/CX)?
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You mean the windscreen?
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That is a very nice example. Is the instrument cowl off a later model (mkII/CX)?
If you referring to my bike, both the bikini fairing and the instrument pod are original items, clocks reading 14400,( (which I believe to be original) the windscreen is a ( Stucchi ?) repro as the original looks a bit tired
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Good thing it is so far away...just beautiful...
HAULBIKES just shipped my '66 R60/2 from Right Coast to its new owner on Left Coast for S400.
That bike isn't as far away from you as it appears. :evil:
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HAULBIKES just shipped my '66 R60/2 from Right Coast to its new owner on Left Coast for S400.
That bike isn't as far away from you as it appears. :evil:
Many use the "distance" excuse as a reason not to buy. When in reality if the bike was in their neighbors garage they wouldn't buy.
I had a guy that was 30 miles away from me that insisted we negotiate a price over the internet on the Guzzi I had f/s before he came out to see the bike, He didn't want to travel 30 miles on a chance we didn't agree on price and waste all that time. I replied that if he couldn't carve out an 1-1/2 of total time to come and see the bike he should wait for one to pop up f/s in his neighborhood.
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Many use the "distance" excuse as a reason not to buy. When in reality if the bike was in their neighbors garage they wouldn't buy.
So true.
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Ah, a true LeMans 1...just look at that tail-light and you know it's the Holy Grail
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Many use the "distance" excuse as a reason not to buy. When in reality if the bike was in their neighbors garage they wouldn't buy.
I had a guy that was 30 miles away from me that insisted we negotiate a price over the internet on the Guzzi I had f/s before he came out to see the bike, He didn't want to travel 30 miles on a chance we didn't agree on price and waste all that time. I replied that if he couldn't carve out an 1-1/2 of total time to come and see the bike he should wait for one to pop up f/s in his neighborhood.
A big :thumb:
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Guzzista, I was commenting on the Le Mans at the start of this thread,.The instrument cowl with the lights on, high beam, oil pressure, etc indicators does not look stock. It also has indicators for the directional operation?
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Guzzista, I was commenting on the Le Mans at the start of this thread,.The instrument cowl with the lights on, high beam, oil pressure, etc indicators does not look stock. It also has indicators for the directional operation?
Interesting question
This is the dash on my 1977 Lemans, as far as I know it's original
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1977%20Moto%20Guzzi%20le%20Mans/P6290095_zpsd3wopogj.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1977%20Moto%20Guzzi%20le%20Mans/P6290095_zpsd3wopogj.jpg.html)
1975 750 S3 dash, known to be original, very similar to the Le Mans
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/Moto%20Guzzi%20750%20S3/P4040013_zps20eebc22.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/Moto%20Guzzi%20750%20S3/P4040013_zps20eebc22.jpg.html)
Did Guzzi update the dash cover for 1978 and add signal directional indicators?
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9300.00 and it appears reserve has been met
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Interesting question
This is the dash on my 1977 Lemans, as far as I know it's original
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1977%20Moto%20Guzzi%20le%20Mans/P6290095_zpsd3wopogj.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1977%20Moto%20Guzzi%20le%20Mans/P6290095_zpsd3wopogj.jpg.html)
1975 750 S3 dash, known to be original, very similar to the Le Mans
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/Moto%20Guzzi%20750%20S3/P4040013_zps20eebc22.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/Moto%20Guzzi%20750%20S3/P4040013_zps20eebc22.jpg.html)
Did Guzzi update the dash cover for 1978 and add signal directional indicators?
Nice colors for the idiot lights on the S3, Jim . Must admit that until I got used to the LM dash, looking at all those red warning lights ( lights on/ high beam, oil charge all the same color or close ) caused some WTF moments while riding. Bill, thanks for pointing out the current bid state. As much as I hope it does go up, I also hope that perhaps someone who's wanted a LM for a long time ends up getting it at a good price as opposed to that bike ending up in the hands of someone flipping it .
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My Ice Blue Lemon ( and it's not for sale)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gUCWFa/IMG_0295.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gUCWFa)
Guzzista, what say you about the instrument pod??? What does your look like?
The factory parts manual only shows an indicator panel with the horizontal slits for lamps, no details on face design,
Part numbers 14 76 69 55 and 14 50 15 51
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I hope it goes for north of $12k. My 77 with close ratio trans will be worth just that much more.
I remember one of my first rides, I turned on the headlight and next time I looked down I saw this red light next to 'Oil' and freaked out. Thought I had no OP. Closer look showed that for whatever reason MG decided they needed an idiot light to tell you when the low beam was on. Bout gave me a damned heart attack.
The bike in question has original exhaust, velocity stacks, seat, very original. Mine does to and I hate it, too quiet, but it's still there as can't get a bub :(
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Interesting question
This is the dash on my 1977 Lemans, as far as I know it's original
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/1977%20Moto%20Guzzi%20le%20Mans/P6290095_zpsd3wopogj.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/1977%20Moto%20Guzzi%20le%20Mans/P6290095_zpsd3wopogj.jpg.html)
1975 750 S3 dash, known to be original, very similar to the Le Mans
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/Moto%20Guzzi%20750%20S3/P4040013_zps20eebc22.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/Moto%20Guzzi%20750%20S3/P4040013_zps20eebc22.jpg.html)
Did Guzzi update the dash cover for 1978 and add signal directional indicators?
My 77 looks just like your 750 S3 except lights are red and tach is 10k. My 78 is the same as your 750 S3 except the tach is 10k. Neither bike has the odometer or the KPH scale like yours or the turn indicators like the ebay bike.
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Leafman, my instrument pod is just like Jim's 77 Lemon, but US with MPH's and no tripmeter. It has red warning lights ( 'cept for the Neutral which is Orange). Sometimes my 60 year old eyes may see what could be the oil light instead of it just being the "Lights On " which is when the WTF moments happened.
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Thanks
When leafman starts asking specific questions about a rare classic, there's something afoot...
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I was but I've changed my mind.
To quote the Book of Mathew 16:23
"Get thee behind me, Satan."
I'm not looking at this any more!
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I am betting it will go for north of $14K
Good call Jim !!
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Good call Jim !!
Just sold for $15,301, which is what it's worth. Note that the winning bidder bumped his bid by $4000 in the last 2 minutes!
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Just sold for $15,301, which is what it's worth. Note that the winning bidder bumped his bid by $4000 in the last 2 minutes!
Nice bike, these first series really are holding (and gaining) in value.
Anyone know how many ice blues were imported to the USA?
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Fair price for a very nice bike, the paint looked correct, many repaints on eBay have too much gloss in the black and the red.
| feel it's really important to get the details right on these rare birds should one ever have to sell and hope to get the price they are worth. I have seen several 'restored' Le Mans MKI bikes sell over the past coule years and the spread in apparent quality is obvious.
From the pictures posted this LeMans appears to have been one of the very best, up close in person it may have told a different storey but had I the cash to spend and wanted a restored bike this would have been the one to buy.
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Ditto what Canuck said.
The bike looked great. I hope and I'm sure the purchaser will be pleased.
My reluctance was due to all the paint and powder coating that had been done. It looked okay in the pictures but most of such "refreshes" and "restorations" I've seen in the flesh looked a little too restored to me. I am not partial to powder coat in restorations. Maybe these guys were judicious in their efforts and yielded a great result.
Anyway, no sour grapes here. I'm glad to see these prices.
These old Lemans bikes are becoming as sought-after as the Nuovo Falcone ! :wink:
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Just sold for $15,301, which is what it's worth. Note that the winning bidder bumped his bid by $4000 in the last 2 minutes!
Someone came in with a $3k bump. Isn't that unusual?
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Shill bid by the owner to keep it and relist at some other time. He'll put a higher reserve.
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Nice bike, these first series really are holding (and gaining) in value.
Anyone know how many ice blues were imported to the USA?
Not a first series. That was '76 with the round tail light molded into the rear fender. This is a later US import with the different tail light and head light, and reflectors on the sides of the turn signals. I wouldn't kick either out of my garage! Wait a minute, I did just that...
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All the action came in the last three minutes when three bidders with money and the desire to own it stepped in.
Makes sense to me, if you really want it let the action dictate the price until the very end then if the bike is till in your price range set the highest price you are willing to pay and press send.
The three bidders who wanted it all probably set the maximum they would pay and then let Ebay automatic bidding do its thin.
From the last second bump it looks like it was a genuine bid / win.
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For questions on the dashboard. My '76 850 LeMans is the same as the 750S that is pictured. My '80 CX100 dash is different. It has multi-colored vertical lights. I'll recheck the LeMans and my '81 CX100.
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For questions on the dashboard. My '76 850 LeMans is the same as the 750S that is pictured. My '80 CX100 dash is different. It has multi-colored vertical lights. I'll recheck the LeMans and my '81 CX100.
I was curious about the dash as well. MGCycle shows that dash for the V35, V50 and 850T. Could be a previous owner just preferred that version and swapped it at some point.
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As much as I hope it does go up, I also hope that perhaps someone who's wanted a LM for a long time ends up getting it at a good price as opposed to that bike ending up in the hands of someone flipping it .
Or even worse in my opinion - just parking it in a garage (or living room) to admire & never actually riding it! My personal opinion is that if you can't bring yourself to put 1K miles, at least, a year on a bike you probably shouldn't have bought it, unless it's a "one of a kind" situation. There are enough museum pieces sitting around gathering dust that even a pristine original, much less a restoration, is just wasted unless it is ridden - but, having said that, to each his/her own.
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http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4483
I have this one on my '76 850 LeMans. I'll recheck my CX100's to be sure.
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This the warning light panel on my friend Jim's '78 Le Mans, looks mostly the same as Jim's '77.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-0/p180x540/13582188_1650364215285210_3918691807245486618_o.jpg)
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That bike is worth every penny of $15K. Yet, the most desireable Guzzis still lag far behind in price from their other rare Italian cousins such as Ducs and MV's. Perhaps one day they'll catch up.
And I agree, they should be ridden. If not, it would be like having a supermodel girlfriend and just looking at her laying on the bed.
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Then you find out that you should be riding something else with more personality and style. :shocked: Doesn't look as good but better mannered and with a happier disposition. :thumb:
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...Yet, the most desireable Guzzis still lag far behind in price from their other rare Italian cousins such as Ducs and MV's. Perhaps one day they'll catch up.
Is this because Guzzi owners and buyers are such cheap a**es? (says the guy that owns two Guzzis, and two Airheads).
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Is this because Guzzi owners and buyers are such cheap a**es? (says the guy that owns two Guzzis, and two Airheads).
Probably half the reason but I think the 1972 Imola win did more for Ducati round case mystique and future values than any other factor. After Guzzi pulled out of International racing the brand didn't recover the race winning pedigree (with the exception of the Dr. John bikes) that Ducati continues to enjoy. Guuz's aren't mainstream and only in the last couple years have the bikes mags seem to get interested in the great Moto Guzzis of the 70's and 80's.
Guzzi's are cool again.
If this keeps up I may have to go find another brand that no one seems to be paying attention to.
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Probably half the reason but I think the 1972 Imola win did more for Ducati round case mystique and future values than any other factor. After Guzzi pulled out of International racing the brand didn't recover the race winning pedigree (with the exception of the Dr. John bikes) that Ducati continues to enjoy. Guuz's aren't mainstream and only in the last couple years have the bikes mags seem to get interested in the great Moto Guzzis of the 70's and 80's.
Guzzi's are cool again.
If this keeps up I may have to go find another brand that no one seems to be paying attention to.
Moto Morini?
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If this keeps up I may have to go find another brand that no one seems to be paying attention to.
Laverda? :afro:
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I've looked at the bidding history of this blue LMI.
Looks like somebody took a very liberal stab in the dark and posted a bid $3000 more than the last pending bid (4000 more than this bidder's last bid). Then, a computer bid topped it by $100 and won the auction.
This looks a little odd. Why didn't the bid jumper just enter their $3000 greater bid in the max bid circuit and let the Ebay program ping pong the bidding up the ladder? They may have won the auction at a lower price.
Looks like the seller may have orchestrated this big jump and that triggered someone else's computer bid to top it by $100. A shortcut way of getting a reserve price out of the bike that had not bid up to the desired amount.
I don't know this. Just speculating.
People can play games with Ebay auctions.
A few years ago, a friend was bidding on a Guzzi V11 Sport only to be outbid by a substantial amount. The next day, he received a message from the seller asking him if he was ready to buy the bike. My friend replied to the seller that he had been outbid by a great amount. The seller chuckled and replied that the higher bid was from his son! My friend told him he wouldn't buy anything from him at any price.
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You cannot engineer the next bid to "jump" up thousands of dollars. The next bid is always the bid increment- except if someone else has a maximum bid set higher. Let's say there's a widget where the bidding is at $100. The minimum bid increment is $1. Bidder #1 has the current high bid of $100 and has a personal maximum bid limit of $500. Bidder two places a bid of $250. The result is bidder one still is the high bidder, yet the limit is advanced to $251. After losing that round, if Bidder two ups the ante by placing a bid of $501- then he will have just beat out bidder one's max bid limit of $500 and he will be the high bidder. If bidder two instead had placed a bid of $600 - then the result would be that the computer will set the high bid to $1 more than bidder one's max bid ($501). So- you cannot have a huge jump unless two people are involved. This is not like an open auction where one party can throw out a huge number (like a poker player "buying the pot").
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Easy way to find out is to contact the seller to see if it's still available. :whip2:
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Moto Morini?
Swooshdave you and Phang can read my mind, Morini and Laverda, #1 and #2 in bikes that interest me! A 3 1/2 Sport with wire wheels and disc brakes or a Laverda SF2.
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You cannot engineer the next bid to "jump" up thousands of dollars. The next bid is always the bid increment- except if someone else has a maximum bid set higher. Let's say there's a widget where the bidding is at $100. The minimum bid increment is $1. Bidder #1 has the current high bid of $100 and has a personal maximum bid limit of $500. Bidder two places a bid of $250. The result is bidder one still is the high bidder, yet the limit is advanced to $251. After losing that round, if Bidder two ups the ante by placing a bid of $501- then he will have just beat out bidder one's max bid limit of $500 and he will be the high bidder. If bidder two instead had placed a bid of $600 - then the result would be that the computer will set the high bid to $1 more than bidder one's max bid ($501). So- you cannot have a huge jump unless two people are involved. This is not like an open auction where one party can throw out a huge number (like a poker player "buying the pot").
Yes, the huge jump bid was not done by computer. It would have been a directly-made bid. That was my point. Why would someone do that instead of setting up a programmed bid with a maximum of the higher number and let the ebay computer step the bidding up the ladder?
I am a little skeptical.
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Yes, the huge jump bid was not done by computer. It would have been a directly-made bid. That was my point. Why would someone do that instead of setting up a programmed bid with a maximum of the higher number and let the ebay computer step the bidding up the ladder?
I am a little skeptical.
No idea what you are talking about. If the current bid is $100, you CANNOT just raise the existing price to $500 with one bid.
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You can't raise the bid by any increment you want? How did it jump $3k?
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Unless they have changed the bidding rules. When I first used Ebay to buy through an auction, I wasn't 100% sure of what I was doing. I reposted a bid about 3 times. Essentially outbidding myself and posting a higher bid each time. I finally realized that I made a mistake and withdrew from the whole process. It didn't happen again. :embarrassed:
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What would happen if say two guys are bidding. Tom's max bid is $12K, and Jonathan tops that with $15K max to become the high bidder at $12,100. Then Tom says "oh yea?" and puts in a new high bid of $15K - SAME as Jonathan's. With two bidders now with a max of $15K, would it automatically jump up to that?
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Good question. :shocked:
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What would happen if say two guys are bidding. Tom's max bid is $12K, and Jonathan tops that with $15K max to become the high bidder at $12,100. Then Tom says "oh yea?" and puts in a new high bid of $15K - SAME as Jonathan's. With two bidders now with a max of $15K, would it automatically jump up to that?
First person to set the $15K is the winner until the second bidder places a bid greater than $15K.
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First person to set the $15K is the winner until the second bidder places a bid greater than $15K.
That's the way it is out here with our Trademe. You can out as high a bid on as you like as well. I have done it to try and scare off a person who obviously is more comfortable to go up in small increments, and I really want the article and I am prepared to go to X (or just under X) to get it. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.
Sometimes the moderators of the Trademe site have been known to step in if they think the bidder is bogus.
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http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/bid-increments.html#std
Can my bid be increased by more than the standard increment?
A bid can be increased by more than the standard increment if more than that increment is required to:
Meet the reserve amount. In reserve price auctions, we'll automatically increase the bid to meet the reserve, and bidding will continue from there. We won't exceed your current maximum bid, however.
Beat a competing bidder's high bid. We'll increase your bid to more than the incremental amount to beat another bid, up to the amount of your maximum bid.
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http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/bid-increments.html#std
Can my bid be increased by more than the standard increment?
A bid can be increased by more than the standard increment if more than that increment is required to:
Meet the reserve amount. In reserve price auctions, we'll automatically increase the bid to meet the reserve, and bidding will continue from there. We won't exceed your current maximum bid, however.
Beat a competing bidder's high bid. We'll increase your bid to more than the incremental amount to beat another bid, up to the amount of your maximum bid.
Hey!!! No fair looking up the rules - that breaks the "Man Code" just like reading the directions before trying to assemble or fix something!
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There's just something fishy-looking with that auction.
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It kind of sounds like the Eldo bobber auction thread.
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My friend Jim's sold today for $11,500 to another customer of mine. It's here now to have turn signals installed and then will be residing in Delaware. :azn:
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My friend Jim's sold today for $11,500 to another customer of mine. It's here now to have turn signals installed and then will be residing in Delaware. :azn:
Pics? Condition?
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Pics? Condition?
It's in the Swap Meet section here.
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/m2qqQa/Morini_3_1_2_engine_010.jpg) (http://ibb.co/m2qqQa)
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That looks like a very fair deal on a bike that looks great and I bet it runs as well as it looks.