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Title: Test flight for you aviation types. Calling Chuckie!
Post by: Tom on July 09, 2016, 01:22:42 PM
Knowing there are a number of aviation types and followers in the house, I'm posting this.  I'd love to have been in the 3rd seat.  I use to be in the 3rd seat on cargo 737 flights.  Great view and different responsibilities than the "truck drivers" up in the left and right seat.  :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/watch-this-boeing-787-9-dreamliner-in-over-the-top-aerial-display/ar-BBu6sWT 

If posted earlier, let me know and I'll pull the thread.
Title: Re: Test flight for you aviation types. Calling Chuckie!
Post by: charlie b on July 09, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
Am surprised they didn't do a roll or loop.  Maybe cause it might scare off future passengers?
Title: Re: Test flight for you aviation types. Calling Chuckie!
Post by: Tom on July 09, 2016, 03:47:52 PM
They should be able to do one.  They did with a 707.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_khhzuFlE  You just need the room.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Test flight for you aviation types. Calling Chuckie!
Post by: Jurgen on July 09, 2016, 04:21:21 PM
The trick, of course, was that it was a 1g maneuver the way that Tex Johnson did it.  Jurgen
Title: Re: Test flight for you aviation types. Calling Chuckie!
Post by: charlie b on July 09, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
Air crews have been looping and rolling passenger jets for a long time.  727's used to be a favorite for that.  Not sure about others but should be 'easy' to do.

And sometimes not so well.  Back in the 70's one air crew looped a 727, but, they were a bit low and hit the ground, killing the crew (it was done at night).

So, the question remains.  Why advertise the maneuverability of a jetliner and not do a roll or loop?
Title: Re: Test flight for you aviation types. Calling Chuckie!
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on July 09, 2016, 05:09:47 PM
That's more in Kirby's bailiwick, but it's a pretty thang.. :)
Title: Re: Test flight for you aviation types. Calling Chuckie!
Post by: kirby1923 on July 09, 2016, 09:46:08 PM
I have over 5000 hours in the 727 (all models) and was a designated examiner  to give FAA type ratings in the aircraft.

To my knowledge there has never been a verified "loop" of a 727.(or an attempt, come on) Airliners lack the elevator authority to execute a loop which takes a sustained 4+ g force to complete and a 727 will not do this even with full nose up stabilizer trim...its rubbish.

Any aircraft can do a 1 g roll (don't ask me how I know) if you know what your doing. Transport category aircraft are only stressed  for about 1 and a half G's neg. They are not designed for inverted flight and do not have inverted fuel and oil systems.

Yes Tex Johnson got away with rolling the 707 prototype, (1 g barrel roll), but that was a different time. Any body that would do it now in a public demonstration in an air craft not designed with an aerobatic certificate can kiss the career goodby.
Title: Re: Test flight for you aviation types. Calling Chuckie!
Post by: oldbike54 on July 09, 2016, 09:52:25 PM
 Damnit Mike , you mean it is on the internet and isn't true  :shocked:

 Dusty