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Title: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: redrider90 on July 13, 2016, 10:37:44 AM: Starting bid with "no reserve" is $500.
Read on and look: then the question is, 'is this worth more than $500'?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-T3-/152165525756?forcerrptr=true&hash=item236dc5a8fc:g:-X4AAOSwepJXYGO6&item=152165525756
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Lannis on July 13, 2016, 11:03:32 AM: Quote from: redrider90 on July 13, 2016, 10:37:44 AM
Starting bid with "no reserve" is $500.
Read on and look: then the question is, 'is this worth more than $500'?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-T3-/152165525756?forcerrptr=true&hash=item236dc5a8fc:g:-X4AAOSwepJXYGO6&item=152165525756

I would think that it's $500 worth to a T3 fan with some skills, time, and a shop .... ?

Lannis
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: grebmrof on July 13, 2016, 11:04:42 AM: I live where in the town where it is located and could look at it for anyone is really interested...howeve r, I think it is already at maybe more than it is worth just looking at the photos...a lot of labor needed there... Looks like there is not a square inch that wouldn't have to be touched, cleaned, replaced, taken apart, etc., etc., etc.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: RayB on July 13, 2016, 11:10:49 AM: Well those Lesters are worth a few bux.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Triple Jim on July 13, 2016, 11:45:45 AM: I agree, RayB. The wheels alone could be worth the asking price. They're late tubeless Lesters. But it's a huge project, and more than I have time for (alas).
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Mike Harper on July 13, 2016, 12:08:14 PM: Really !!

WildGuzzi is the only place I know of that Guzzi's are worthless and no matter what one asks it is always too much.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: ken farr on July 13, 2016, 12:11:22 PM: Quote from: Mike Harper on July 13, 2016, 12:08:14 PM
Really !!

WildGuzzi is the only place I know of that Guzzi's are worthless and no matter what one asks it is always too much.

:1: :bow: :grin: :bow: :1:
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: redrider90 on July 13, 2016, 12:42:52 PM: So what are the Lester's worth?
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Lannis on July 13, 2016, 12:43:12 PM: Quote from: Mike Harper on July 13, 2016, 12:08:14 PM
Really !!

WildGuzzi is the only place I know of that Guzzi's are worthless and no matter what one asks it is always too much.

And no matter if they're cheap or expensive. Koligiski's custom bobber Eldo (or whatever it was) on eBay was panned as crap, not worth $3000, an abomination, no way that's going to sell ... and of course it wouldn't, not here. To the world, though, it was worth something north of $8000 ....

Maybe we know too much, gotten too smart for ourselves ...

Lannis
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Texas Turnip on July 13, 2016, 01:42:19 PM: The T-3 I had came with police bars and the big police sidestand. IMHO why would you buy this when you can get a running '98 EV for 2K.

Tex
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: oldbike54 on July 13, 2016, 01:44:31 PM: Quote from: Texas Turnip on July 13, 2016, 01:42:19 PM
The T-3 I had came with police bars and the big police sidestand. IMHO why would you buy this when you can get a running '98 EV for 2K.

Tex

Well , and that is the point . Heck , aren't decent condition T 3's selling for about $3500.00?

Dusty
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Rusnak_322 on July 13, 2016, 01:53:26 PM: that titled frame is worth $500.

when I was looking for a 850T I came across a bunch that looked good, but didn't have titles and there wasn't any feelings of shenanigans. There are just too many pre 1980 motorcycles that people just don't have titles to and are too lazy to track them down. I have personally bought two (more like 10 if you count dirt bikes).

Around here, they are tuff to sell and because of the lack of paper, almost worthless. Take one of those close to running bikes, change frames and ride on.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Mike Harper on July 13, 2016, 02:01:06 PM: There are a lot of states that do not issue titles, just registrations for bikes over 10 to 15 yrs old. Some are quite easy to get registered and then you can sell it into another state with the registration and that state will issue a title. Check out your states laws.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: canuck750 on July 13, 2016, 02:02:33 PM: If that were near me I would snap it up! Lost of potential to rebuild or part out.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Rusnak_322 on July 13, 2016, 02:07:57 PM: Quote from: Mike Harper on July 13, 2016, 02:01:06 PM
There are a lot of states that do not issue titles, just registrations for bikes over 10 to 15 yrs old. Some are quite easy to get registered and then you can sell it into another state with the registration and that state will issue a title. Check out your states laws.

I bought my 1975 Guzzi from New Hampshire even thought I live in Ohio, it had a valid NH registration, but no title. Still took two trips to the DMV with the bike to get them to issue a title and I followed all of their rules and had all their required documents notarized before I came in.

I don't know what I would do with a bike from Ohio without a registration, I cannot get it registered easily in another state. takes time and money. that is why a frame swap would be the easy route here.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Triple Jim on July 13, 2016, 02:32:21 PM: Quote from: redrider90 on July 13, 2016, 12:42:52 PM
So what are the Lester's worth?

Depending on condition, I'd expect to pay $200 for one decent, usable Lester in need of cleanup, bearings and paint. Good looking Lesters could go for double that.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Lannis on July 13, 2016, 02:35:27 PM: Quote from: Texas Turnip on July 13, 2016, 01:42:19 PM
The T-3 I had came with police bars and the big police sidestand. IMHO why would you buy this when you can get a running '98 EV for 2K.

Tex

Well, if you want a T3, buying an EV isn't going to scratch any itches.

I can see some brisk young berkie with not much money but a lot of time and elbow grease buying this and cleaning-up and a-part-at-a-timing his way onto the road. There's a lot of folks who have $500 and can get another $1500 a little bit at a time who can't get $2000 together in one place .... :whip2:

Lannis
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Rusnak_322 on July 13, 2016, 02:57:05 PM: You mean like my ugly 850T that I have invested more hours then dollars?

(https://s6.postimg.org/pr5u23d1t/IMG_1203.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160710/df9cd97376b3dc2c367a1dae14955a3e.jpg)
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: chuck peterson on July 13, 2016, 03:00:24 PM: great example of my theory why there are guzzi's out there like this...stainless fenders

ive been lured into these murky "rebuild" waters before, and it was all because the silly fenders still looked good. it gives you the impression it'll be a miracle somehow

i mean really, would you take this on if the fenders were rusted to hell, of course not...but the damn fenders just ach for you to walk over and start thinking, "ya, know...it's all there.."

i'm a sucker that way
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: swooshdave on July 13, 2016, 03:30:52 PM: "in many ways the most important Moto Guzzi made in the Seventies."

I'm surprised this hasn't drawn more comments.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: RayB on July 13, 2016, 03:33:08 PM: Quote from: Mike Harper on July 13, 2016, 12:08:14 PM
Really !!

WildGuzzi is the only place I know of that Guzzi's are worthless and no matter what one asks it is always too much.

Ain't that the truth.....until its time for their own sale
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: oldbike54 on July 13, 2016, 03:34:59 PM: Quote from: RayB on July 13, 2016, 03:33:08 PM
Ain't that the truth.....until its time for their own sale

Not that MG's aren't worth money , just not this one .

Dusty
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 13, 2016, 03:37:39 PM: Quote from: oldbike54 on July 13, 2016, 01:44:31 PM

Well , and that is the point . Heck , aren't decent condition T 3's selling for about $3500.00?

Dusty

There was a very nice T3 for sale by "Ambogal" at the VA Rally for $2800.

This one? I'd buy it for $500, maybe $750, part it out and at least double my money. Been there, done that.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: oldbike54 on July 13, 2016, 03:42:04 PM: Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 13, 2016, 03:37:39 PM
There was a very nice T3 for sale by "Ambogal" at the VA Rally for $2800.

This one? I'd buy it for $500, maybe $750, part it out and at least double my money. Been there, done that.

So you wouldn't attempt a restoration ???? :rolleyes:

Dusty
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Groover on July 13, 2016, 04:07:48 PM: I wonder if the chrome on the cylinder sleeves is still good... :wink:

Titled frame, matching engine numbers, low mileage speedo (which will reflect on the title being Ohio) - seems like a nice legal deal to me, and if I had more motivation, it would be mine by now (it's been on Craigslist for a little while now).

My plan would be:

Powdercoat the frame and lowers, save them.
Soda blast the engine case, save it.
Get a fresh title with my name on it, frame it

Deal with the rest later. That's my save-it-for-a-rainy day plan.

But that involves work now, and I'm not into that lately :angel:
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: ITSec on July 13, 2016, 04:09:21 PM: If I were in a restoration kind of mood, I would buy this as a donor bike - wheels, various parts and such, frame if needed to create a titled final product. I'd probably spend the same amount again on a soda blaster and supplies though! :wink:
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Dukedesmo on July 13, 2016, 04:35:39 PM: Quote from: canuck750 on July 13, 2016, 02:02:33 PM
If that were near me I would snap it up! Lost of potential to rebuild or part out.

Likewise, especially at $500...
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 13, 2016, 05:26:56 PM: Quote from: oldbike54 on July 13, 2016, 03:42:04 PM
So you wouldn't attempt a restoration ???? :rolleyes:

Dusty

I got that same question several times from folks when I parted out the Convert. I do this to make money, a restoration would cost many times the market value. I don't run this business to lose money. :wink:
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Lannis on July 13, 2016, 05:32:54 PM: Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 13, 2016, 05:26:56 PM
I got that same question several times from folks when I parted out the Convert. I do this to make money, a restoration would cost many times the market value. I don't run this business to lose money. :wink:

I know guys who have time that doesn't have to be turned into groceries (the opposite end of that spectrum) who would take this bike to its smallest component parts, clean and fix (if possible) each one, and put it back together, using good used parts to replace the ones that were too far gone to use ... hundreds of hours possibly, but they've got that, and at the end they might have a nice bike to ride ....

Lannis
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 13, 2016, 05:38:23 PM: I have a convert café with a good title, LM3 wheels, LM3 tank, dual plugged heads, Dyna ignition, rebuilt carbs, lightened flywheel, 2-1-2 raceco headers that runs and rides that I can't get any interest @ $1400 for it. For those of you snapping up Tonti Guzzi's because they have non chrome cylinders and good titles here's your chance.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Triple Jim on July 13, 2016, 05:42:24 PM: Quote from: Lannis on July 13, 2016, 05:32:54 PM
I know guys who have time that doesn't have to be turned into groceries (the opposite end of that spectrum) who would take this bike to its smallest component parts, clean and fix (if possible) each one, and put it back together, using good used parts to replace the ones that were too far gone to use ... hundreds of hours possibly, but they've got that, and at the end they might have a nice bike to ride ....

But they'd almost certainly still have more money invested in it than its market value. I was just telling my daughter that I have almost all the parts needed to put together a Kawasaki S3 (400 triple), but if she decided to do that, it would need to be a labor of love. She'd have to spend somewhere around 3 or 4 thousand dollars to make a decent rider, and it would then have a resale value around $2,500.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: oldbike54 on July 13, 2016, 05:43:18 PM: Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 13, 2016, 05:26:56 PM
I got that same question several times from folks when I parted out the Convert. I do this to make money, a restoration would cost many times the market value. I don't run this business to lose money. :wink:

Make money ??? On Guzzis ????! Surely you jest :laugh: Seriously , I think like you when it comes to losing money on motorbikes .

Dusty
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: steven c on July 13, 2016, 05:46:35 PM: I've brought home worse. ( see LeMans in my photo) Maybe not smart but I think $500 is a fair price.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Dave Swanson on July 13, 2016, 07:25:24 PM: I get the same feeling looking at a neglected old Tonti as I do when I look at the website for the local animal shelter and see all the dogs that need a home. I get a strong urge to bring them home and give them a good life!
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: n3303j on July 13, 2016, 07:49:28 PM: Quote from: Texas Turnip on July 13, 2016, 01:42:19 PM
The T-3 I had came with police bars and the big police sidestand. IMHO why would you buy this when you can get a running '98 EV for 2K.

Tex
Paid $3K for my '77 T3 that spent 18 years in the barn unattended. Spent about a year going through everything and adding money. 82,000 miles later all i can think is what an absolutely wonderful machine to have and ride.

Paid $2150 for my for my '98 EV that was lovingly taken care of by the original owner. Rode it the 120 miles home and redecorated it to my tastes (stock). 6,000 miles later all i can think is what an absolutely wonderful machine to have and ride.

But they are different machines and complement each other. I could not see the one ever replacing the other (although they did replace 3 BMWs).
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: redrider90 on July 13, 2016, 08:17:10 PM: Quote from: n3303j on July 13, 2016, 07:49:28 PM
Paid $3K for my '77 T3 that spent 18 years in the barn unattended. Spent about a year going through everything and adding money. 82,000 miles later all i can think is what an absolutely wonderful machine to have and ride.

I gotta ask. How would you compare the condition of your 77 barn find to the T3 that started this thread?
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on July 13, 2016, 08:47:09 PM: 1400 is 900 in WG bucks. Tried to sell a v11 scura here one time, it was a $3000.00 lump. Sold it on CL for 6K
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: n3303j on July 13, 2016, 08:50:41 PM: Quote from: redrider90 on July 13, 2016, 08:17:10 PM
I gotta ask. How would you compare the condition of your 77 barn find to the T3 that started this thread?
I had to replace piston/ cylinders with Ghilardoni. Rebuilt all calipers with new pucks. I bored and sleeved both master cylinders. Then replace mufflers, cables and all oil and hydraulic lines. The remainder was a major disassembly, clean, lube and polish and a few bearings as required. Transmission and lower engine were all solid.

The one that started this post would probably need sverything mine got and maybe a set of fork fubes and maybe some bearings between wheels, swingarm and steering headset.

At $500 I probably would have bought it if it were around when I was shopping.

Then again I paid $4K for a '66 BMW R60/2 without matching numbers about 14 years ago. Threw about a year and another $4K on a 100% tear down and rebuild to make her run excellently and look okay (great cosmetics isn't my thing, I'd rather be riding). Rode 50K miles and then wanted more power and better brakes so bought a K100RS low mileage, running and looking great for $3,500 from a dealer.

I always am shown these great deals others get on used machines. Me, I'm the guy who pays too much and then adds more money on top of that (at least that's how my wife sees it).

There is great personal satisfaction in learning a machine that is new to you. There are hours of labor in these restorations. It requires just enough mental resource to totally block out the day to day worries and concerns that nibble away at your calm. It feels like accomplishment. At the end it is a real pleasure to explore new or old places on a machine that you have become intimate with through hours of exposure. It also boosts confidence on the road knowing you have examined every piece of your machine and you know how to fix it.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: RayB on July 13, 2016, 09:01:26 PM: I've seen some guys start with much, much worse than that T3 when it comes to old brit bikes and have beautiful outcomes....at a cost of course. Some guys spend money at a bar..some like to restore
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Turin on July 13, 2016, 10:00:05 PM: My 850 T was worse, but not by much. She's a nice bike now.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: guzzista on July 13, 2016, 11:00:57 PM: My 850T, a $ 1100 Ebay find, turned into this after a good dose of cash injection, lots of elbow grease and , of course time, which could have easily been spent at the bar or a shrinks office, then again I wouldn't have this bike to show for
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cxTSov/IMG_0344.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cxTSov)
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: nbags on July 14, 2016, 12:50:43 PM: that bike is on cl for 500 the bike is really rough .ok parts bike
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Tom on July 14, 2016, 09:07:26 PM: Rat bike like Tetanus.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: canuck750 on July 14, 2016, 09:59:01 PM: Quote from: guzzista on July 13, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
My 850T, a $ 1100 Ebay find, turned into this after a good dose of cash injection, lots of elbow grease and , of course time, which could have easily been spent at the bar or a shrinks office, then again I wouldn't have this bike to show for
(http://thumb.ibb.co/cxTSov/IMG_0344.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cxTSov)

Nice looking bike!
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: injundave on July 15, 2016, 12:37:22 AM: I just looked at the bike on ebay. Looking at the plate on the steering head it says the bike was built in Jan 1975 and the number is 100675. My bike's plate says Feb 1975 and has number 100674. Hmmmmm, consecutive numbers. From what I have managed to find neither number shows as being in the range of factory numbers. Huh???

I have started to wonder if perhaps the bikes were imported into the US with engine numbers but were not assigned a date until sold. Can anybody help here? Incidentally, if I didn't live half way around the world I would buy this rust bucket in a heart beat.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: unclepete on July 15, 2016, 09:14:37 AM: Quote from: injundave on July 15, 2016, 12:37:22 AM
I just looked at the bike on ebay. Looking at the plate on the steering head it says the bike was built in Jan 1975 and the number is 100675. My bike's plate says Feb 1975 and has number 100674. Hmmmmm, consecutive numbers. From what I have managed to find neither number shows as being in the range of factory numbers. Huh???

I have started to wonder if perhaps the bikes were imported into the US with engine numbers but were not assigned a date until sold. Can anybody help here? Incidentally, if I didn't live half way around the world I would buy this rust bucket in a heart beat.
That's funny . My T-3 is registered as a '76 and the build plate on the steering head shows it built in Jan. 1975 with # D100922 . Engine matches . Maybe they just picked numbers out of a hat ?
Despite what can be spent to bring one of these back to life they are right now a bargain when compared to other bikes of that vintage .
Of course it's not about money .
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: wahoo650 on July 15, 2016, 10:18:37 AM: here' it is on CL.

https://cleveland.craigslist.org/mcy/5680253697.html
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 15, 2016, 10:31:46 AM: Here's another, not much if any better, for more $$.
http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/mcy/5678914456.html

(http://images.craigslist.org/00d0d_13gylvCXnAN_1200x900.jpg)
(http://images.craigslist.org/01313_kqhWyF9XdRU_1200x900.jpg)
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Groover on July 15, 2016, 10:39:35 AM: The one listed by the OP was listed on CL for I think $1500 for a while, then he dropped it to $500 when he listed it on eBay. Something like that.. it may have even been $1800 at first.
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: oldbike54 on July 15, 2016, 10:53:34 AM: Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 15, 2016, 10:31:46 AM
Here's another, not much if any better, for more $$.
http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/mcy/5678914456.html

(http://images.craigslist.org/00d0d_13gylvCXnAN_1200x900.jpg)
(http://images.craigslist.org/01313_kqhWyF9XdRU_1200x900.jpg)

Translation , " Bought this thing in the false belief that it would be an easy restoration" ."After 5 years of no progress , and the wife saying she needs a new refrigerator that costs $1,200.00 , well..." :laugh:

Dusty
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: chuck peterson on July 15, 2016, 11:19:10 AM: Yup, see there, more stainless fenders, their frekin everywhere...it just gives your brain some signal that there is hope...next thing you know, your placing a $4k order with mgcycle...MAKE IT STOP...I like the black with gold stripes
Title: Re: 850 T3 1975 ebay rust bucket "very restorable" WT?
Post by: Muzz on July 16, 2016, 05:15:31 PM: Quote from: injundave on July 15, 2016, 12:37:22 AM
Incidentally, if I didn't live half way around the world I would buy this rust bucket in a heart beat.

But Dave, you do. :wink: :grin: