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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: drw916 on July 20, 2016, 11:45:15 AM
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I've gotten two tickets in the last two weeks. Neither time did I feel I had even a chance of a warning.
First one was for 65 in a 55 on a back road with almost no traffic.
Second was for 62 in a 50 going over Lolo Pass while passing in a passing zone.
Both were pretty marginal in my opinion, especially the one in the passing zone. No other way to get past the car in the short distance of the lane.
So, my question is: Are the Police not giving warnings anymore? Is revenue generation such a priority that they no longer have the option?
As an aside, I have found that if you send a letter to the Prosecuting Attorney of the county the ticket is issued in, and ask to have the ticket changed to a non moving violation, there is a good chance they will do it. I told them I didn't mind paying the fine, but didn't want to get hit again with insurance increase. They must feel the same as it has worked the past couple times
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This is probably all just a run of bad luck . In 48 years of spirited riding I have never had anything more than a warning ticket .
Dusty
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Warning are still pretty common in many areas of Kansas. The highway patrol seems to be giving less warnings and more tickets but then our state is in terrible fiscal shape.
I have been riding since 79 and have received two tickets. One in a speed trap setting and one when I just totally blew a school zone, but never when I have been on a "spirited" ride. I have had several gestures from passing officers to slow down however, but not stopped.
GliderJohn
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I've been stopped twice in the last couple of months. Indeed, was stopped just yesterday morning on my way to work. I got warnings both times; no tickets.
First was 55 in a 45, approaching a small town. Nobody ever goes 45 that far out of town, so it was kinda a penny-ante stop.
Yesterday was two cops seeing me lane split through horribly backed up traffic. I told them I can wear all this safety gear as long as I'm moving, but I tend to overheat when I'm motionless. They checked out my license, then gave it back saying that I'm really not supposed to be doing that.
They also told me that some motorist narc-ed on me. Called in on a cell phone that there was a motorcycle moving while their cars were stuck, so the cops were basically waiting for me at an intersection way up the line.
I don't get that mentality. I wasn't speeding, I wasn't rude, I didn't cut anyone off. But I guess they feel I'm "cutting in line" or something.
Cops also said they had already had to work one accident *within* that traffic back-up. A rear-ender, because people get bored waiting in line and start playing with their cell phones. Yes, I agree. That's why I'd prefer to keep moving and stay away from the bored people.
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A lot depends on your attitude.
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This reminds me of the thread recently about radar detectors...a small investment to have one mounted can be equivalent to 1 or 2 tickets...
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Knock on wood.
Have received a total of 5 speeding tickets in over 40 years (one of these was from a red light camera). 10-15 warnings (yes, I lost count). I am pretty careful about where I speed in excess of 10mph over the limit. But, a lot of this has just been luck. Like when riding near 100mph in CO and had to slow behind another car, cop is around the corner with a laser (no radar or laser detector help there :) ). Or when I had to slow down for some cows near the road and a cop was just over the hill. Or he already has someone pulled over, etc, etc.
Around here (NM, TX, and AZ state patrol) it has been warnings for me. When I have been stopped the wife has been in the car and she is laughing at me when the cop comes to the door. I think he feels sorry for me :)
And, I have felt the need to speed less compelling the last few years. I also think my luck may run out pretty soon. I've pushed the limits for a lot of years and not had to pay for it. So, I keep it for those times when I have an empty road in front of me for miles.
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I've had 2 tickets in the last 8 years on the bike and despite friendly positive attitude on my part, both cops were into their power trip and received tickets on both occasions. (very minorly over the limit in both cases) So I'd have to say,. no, they don't issues "warnings" any longer.
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Most cops I have known will allow 5 over but 10 over gets you an award.
And with the emphesis on revenue cops are probably told "no more warnings".
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As an aside, I have found that if you send a letter to the Prosecuting Attorney of the county the ticket is issued in, and ask to have the ticket changed to a non moving violation, there is a good chance they will do it. I told them I didn't mind paying the fine, but didn't want to get hit again with insurance increase. They must feel the same as it has worked the past couple times
I'd be interested in knowing what state this happened in (maybe add a rough location to your profile).
My limited ticket experience was in MD many years ago, but at that time, if I appeared in court, plead guilty, apologized for the infraction, and told the judge that I was there because I would very much appreciate the chance to not have points on my license, he would eliminate the points and fine and charge me court costs in the amount of the original fine. That worked twice that I remember.
Since then I've avoided tickets by keeping it down to 5 over the limit 99% of the time. But passing is always a concern. If you follow the law when passing, you'll rarely pass. When you do, it will be to pass vehicles going way under the limit, as opposed to a couple mph under.
I was talking to my dentist about motorcycling, back roads, and driving in general a couple years ago, and he told me that he has gotten to where if he's driving on a road with a 55 mph limit and someone in front of him is going 45, he goes 45. If someone is going 35, he goes 35. He explained that his blood pressure and mood are much improved with that policy. The only problem I see with that is it's really hard to go below the speed limit on a nice twisty road I've been looking forward to riding on.
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Most cops I have known will allow 5 over but 10 over gets you an award.
And with the emphesis on revenue cops are probably told "no more warnings".
Don't know about other states , but in Oklahoma there is no edict re warnings VS hard tickets .
Here is my strategy when dealing with a po po , especially when outside of my county .
1. Remember that most cops are type A personalities , a bit aggressive by nature , so the "roll over and show them my belly" method employed by a friendly dog to defuse a tense situation seems to work .
2. Never ever ask "why did you pull me over" , the po po knows why he did so , even if it is bogus.
3. Never ever give a smart alec answer .
4. Get them laughing if possible , or find some common ground , they are human and mostly respond to being put at ease .
Dusty
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I have found in small towns, don't push your luck. Different parts of the nation have different needs of revenue. In Calif. if you don't go more than 10 over the speed limit you will be left alone(generally speaking) except in Plumas County(no mfg.).
While riding back to Calif. from the `97 Iowa Guzzi National right after having lunch on a 2 lane road going 10 over in Iowa an oncoming cop does a u-turn and pulls us over for speeding. :huh: I tell him in Calif. you don't get a ticket for 10 over. He tells me we ain't in Calif. now. :boxing: Somehow my wife sweet talks to him and he let's us go. :cool:
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It's not city, county or state it is the individual LEO. I'm in the city of Gainesville, in the county of Alachua in the State of Florida.
I have had cops coming from the opposite direction who flashed headlights or put on the "bubble gums" as a warning when I was clipping along at 85 mph.
The last ticket I got was by a city cop who clocked me at 28 over but wrote me for 9.
A few years before that a state cop stopped me on a deserted back road for 10 over & wrote me up & gave me a lecture, I had to really bite my tongue.
About a week ago I was pulled over by a state when I was running about 70 in a 55 on a back country road. No ticket just a warning telling me that the area was starting to build up & they were increasing their patrols. Cool Dude he rode a Harley as a personal bike.
My area of Florida tends to be lenient but we also have a large population of riders especially south of Gainesville.
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To Kirby...........Now that is CS!! You should fight it. He provoked you to do what you did. Did you get his name? I'd write a letter complaining about the whole episode.
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always ask for a warning vs a ticket. ask nice, all they can say is no.
it works, I was pulled over going 20 over pulling a trailer on the highway and when the police office was at my window, my wife leaned over and asked if he could just give us a warning. it worked.
and has worked several times since (even without the wife's help).
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As an aside, I have found that if you send a letter to the Prosecuting Attorney of the county the ticket is issued in, and ask to have the ticket changed to a non moving violation, there is a good chance they will do it. I told them I didn't mind paying the fine, but didn't want to get hit again with insurance increase. They must feel the same as it has worked the past couple times
You can also check to see if Deferred Adjudication is available in this situation...you'll still pay the fine, but depending on the county, you'll have either 30 or 90 days to go w/o another ticket and then the ticket just received will not show up on your record. Worthwhile to check into...financially still the same, but at least your record is clean.
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Agressive or not, the 'proper' thing to do was to get in front of the truck and pull over, not do a WFO stunt.
I tell him in Calif. you don't get a ticket for 10 over. He tells me we ain't in Calif. now.
You're lucky he didn't add 10mph just for being from CA. :)
The proper thing to do is answer questions accurately and without a scowl or rolling eyes or any other non-friendly gesture.
Remember, the LEO has had a full day of angry people making rude comments to him. He is just doing his job. You were caught breaking the law, no matter how stupid you think the law, you are guilty (at least no one has complained about being pulled over for being under the speed limit). Act like an adult and take the ticket without being an a$$.
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To Kirby...........Now that is CS!! You should fight it. He provoked you to do what you did. Did you get his name? I'd write a letter complaining about the whole episode.
will do zero good. your word against a police officer, the police officer wins every time.
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The traffic police here , Queensland Australia, are all about cost recovery / Revenue raising. Our roads are very old and haven't been upgraded to keep up with the times and increasing coastal population. It can be very frustrating when your caught up in traffic and the safest place to overtake the slow vehicles they place a (Flash for Cash) mobile radar unit. Nothing to do with road safety there :angry:
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I got pulled over on the way to the MN rally for 62+ in a 50 construction zone. Yeah, I was daydreaming and let it creep up. The HiPo was somewhat annoyed because it took him 40 miles of construction zone to catch me and pull me over. :copcar:
I of course went to flashers as soon as I saw his lights and pulled over at the first wide spot. :police:
I shut off the bike, put both feet on the ground and took off my gloves then put my hands back on the grips.
He stomped up behind me with bad body language and his right hand on right hip.
When he got up to me he glanced over my shoulder, saw my little dog in the tank bag in her pink helmet and pink leather jacket and cracked up so hard I thought he was going to sit on the highway. I laughed along with him and when he was done he went back to get his phone to take a picture, then proceeded to give me a warning.
The pooch saved the day, that would have been an expensive MN ticket.
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45 years of bikes and only got one ticket for an overdue safety inspection... To be honest ,years ago I would outrun the police if conditions were right....I don't do that now but I ride less so there's less chance of being caught.. I often accelerate well beyond the limit but always slow down and ride within 10 MPH of the posted limit..
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Agressive or not, the 'proper' thing to do was to get in front of the truck and pull over, not do a WFO stunt.
You're lucky he didn't add 10mph just for being from CA. :)
The proper thing to do is answer questions accurately and without a scowl or rolling eyes or any other non-friendly gesture.
Remember, the LEO has had a full day of angry people making rude comments to him. He is just doing his job. You were caught breaking the law, no matter how stupid you think the law, you are guilty (at least no one has complained about being pulled over for being under the speed limit). Act like an adult and take the ticket without being an a$$.
Hey, thanks for informing me of the "proper" thing to do!!
a$$!!.. very creative as well. What part of my post does it look like am an a$$?
:-)
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Yo Kirbster , you should have flashed him a pilot's certificate :laugh: Seriously , an old GF's dad was a retired OK Trooper . He told me a story about pulling a Jaguar over in the panhandle of OK circa 1956 . He was fresh out of the academy , and very cocky . After approaching the Jag , he said , "Flyin' kinda low there fellas , can I see a pilot's license?" The guy driving very calmly pulled something from his wallet , sure enough , it was a pilot's license . GF's dad tucked his tail and asked the driver to slow down a bit :laugh:
Dusty
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Quick answer to paragraph 3 is Yes.
paragraph 3
So, my question is: Are the Police not giving warnings anymore? Is revenue generation such a priority that they no longer have the option?
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Ha! That's funny! Ya gotta drive an E type at least 80 to keep it from over heating 'cause the radiator is so small.
Well I went to court and told the judge my story but never admitted to going 125 mph. I never even
looked at the speedo. The judge asked the officer why he didn't turn on his lights to ID himself as a trooper. He offered no explanation. (he said he was aggressive because he was trying to chase down a speeder ahead).
Actually his (trooper) last comment to me was a laugh and he said "this is going to cost you".
The trooper told the judge exactly what happen as did I.
Judge charged me $48 for 10 over as he didn't believe that the trooper could have clocked my speed on his speedometer .The Judge asked if it was possible that we may have not been at the same speed at the same time. He answered yes. He may have got up to that speed but by the time he did I was already slowing and changing lanes.
If at any time from the beginning to the end of this incident he had turned on his light and IDd himself as a LEO in pursuit this would have never happened.
I'm lucky 'cause they told me when I got to the court in Conway that this was the "hanging" judge.
:-)
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Kirbster , after a bit of thought , that incident probably occurred in 1950 , and not in '56 . He was already retired in 1970 , so minus 20 years ... Probably an XK 100 . The speed limits were nonexistent in Western OK back then , the signs read "do not exceed safe speed" . GF's dad must have thought the Jag was exceeding safe speed :grin: He never asked for a pilot's license after that :rolleyes:
What is your relationship to GMT ?
Dusty
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To answer the question of warnings. They still give them out. :thumb: The money for the tickets here go into the state coffers not the county. The patrol officers are county. There is no state highway patrol here in Hawaii.
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Out here in rural Arizona, especially on a motorcycle, you have to be well past the speed limit, for the sheriffs to even take a second look at you. I have on a few occasions shot by one going the other way , and they all have radar, travelling 10-15 mph over the limit, and they just hit the overhead lights for a couple seconds, :copcar: as a warning. I think it makes a difference that our county, Cochise County is bigger than some states, and the LEO's have huge areas to cover.......as in maybe he was headed to a "call", or something,but it does happen more than you would think.
Rick.
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Protect and serve is a joke. In reality it is harass and collect revenue.
This policy is endemic an usually comes from the top down. Some officers don't like this policy but are essentially forced to by an implied quota. They may lose their job if they consistently don't write tickets. I'm sure the police departments have little problem finding officers that enjoy this bit of power.
And they wonder why there is animosity towards the police in most communities.
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And they wonder why there is animosity towards the police in most communities.
I don't have any here, or back where I used to live in the Washington, DC suburbs. I always found that being courteous and respectful to cops got me the same in return.
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Got my first road bike when I was 9 years old. Got stopped once in all them years and just got a warning. County Sheriff clocked me at 100+ mph on a 1970 Triumph Daytona. He had one when he was younger so he let me go.
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I got 13 speeding tickets for 65 in a 55 on the same road one summer in ND. Of course that is a $13 ticket there (no points). I don't know why the officer wasn't amused when I asked to buy a book of tickets in advance.
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GMT +5 at the moment. Had to pull out of +2 'cause of events. Friday back to +2.
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Kirby,
So, the cop wasn't chasing you, you just ended up blocking his way ahead. When you went WFO you became a more lucrative 'target' than the one he had been chasing. If you had just pulled in front of the truck and moved over he would have taken off after the other guy (if that's what he was really doing).
Around here if he had been chasing another motorcycle he might have accused you of obstruction.
Cops don't always turn on their lights when pursuing a speeder cause sometimes it means the speeder will see the lights and then try and evade the cop. They do have rules about when they have to use them and when they don't. I'll have to ask my neighbor the specifics next time we ride together.
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Quick answer to paragraph 3 is Yes.
paragraph 3
So, my question is: Are the Police not giving warnings anymore? Is revenue generation such a priority that they no longer have the option?
Not in all jurisdictions. Around here the sherriff and several city/town depts do not have quotas and still give warnings when they choose to. Heck, in ABQ you are more likely to get stopped for aggressive driving than speeding.
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I have lost track of the many warnings I've had here in Phoenix over the years. Probably two or three a year but I've slowed down a bit the last few years. Last year I got one warning in ABQ while passing through last spring but it was from a Motorcycle officer on a BMW. I think he just stopped me to have a closer look at My CalVin as he seemed very interested in it.
Latter in the year I was heading east on 56 in Oklahoma with a tail wind and no traffic. Found I was going a bit too fast when I met a State Trouper as I topped a small hill. His lights came on instantly and I pulled over before he could turn around. He was quite serious as he asked for my license. I made a comment about Italian speedometers being not too good but got no comment from him, just a ticket for 86 in a 70. I was right about the speedometer being not too good as I was showing 92 when I saw him. This was the first time in 50 years I got to pay so I guess I had it coming............. ...
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Knock on wood.
Have received a total of 5 speeding tickets in over 40 years (one of these was from a red light camera). 10-15 warnings (yes, I lost count). I am pretty careful about where I speed in excess of 10mph over the limit. But, a lot of this has just been luck. Like when riding near 100mph in CO and had to slow behind another car, cop is around the corner with a laser (no radar or laser detector help there :) ). Or when I had to slow down for some cows near the road and a cop was just over the hill. Or he already has someone pulled over, etc, etc.
Around here (NM, TX, and AZ state patrol) it has been warnings for me. When I have been stopped the wife has been in the car and she is laughing at me when the cop comes to the door. I think he feels sorry for me :)
And, I have felt the need to speed less compelling the last few years. I also think my luck may run out pretty soon. I've pushed the limits for a lot of years and not had to pay for it. So, I keep it for those times when I have an empty road in front of me for miles.
No it pains me when you call me out as an a Ass! and not adult behavior. I could take it as a comment from someone that just didn't read what I posted?? did you even read what I said??
Please no holy than I rhetoric, I have been riding longer than you.
No matter, the judge sided with me and afterword the trouper apologized to me.
No disrespect. just read before throwing an insult...I took it as an insult.
Some people when they become deputy dog get on a mighty high horse. This guy did not and treated me with respect.
m
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You are assuming I called you an A$$. i did not. The last was a general comment to not act like an a$$ when dealing with a cop. Wayne's comment to the cop about california rules, if not done while laughing, could be considered in that realm.
I just pointed out that if you had just pulled over when possible (without the WFO part) you would have avoided a confrontation entirely.
I have no doubt you have ridden longer and more miles than I. Many people have. Doesn't matter to me.
PS as to my holier than thou, it is one message. If you speed excessively and get a ticket just man up and pay the fine.
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You are assuming I called you an A$$. i did not. The last was a general comment to not act like an a$$ when dealing with a cop. Wayne's comment to the cop about california rules, if not done while laughing, could be considered in that realm.
I just pointed out that if you had just pulled over when possible (without the WFO part) you would have avoided a confrontation entirely.
I have no doubt you have ridden longer and more miles than I. Many people have. Doesn't matter to me.
PS as to my holier than thou, it is one message. If you speed excessively and get a ticket just man up and pay the fine.
That is the point that the Judge made...I had no idea he was a police, un marked car. Don't tell me to man up, I did what I had to do and I did not mention one thing about being not responsible for my actions.
man up and pay the finds...wow that offends me. I said nothing against the police and went to court.
Please be careful what you say. It seemed to me that you didn't even read my post.
I'm thru with this.
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You are assuming I called you an A$$. i did not. The last was a general comment to not act like an a$$ when dealing with a cop. Wayne's comment to the cop about california rules, if not done while laughing, could be considered in that realm.
PS as to my holier than thou, it is one message. If you speed excessively and get a ticket just man up and pay the fine.
Charlie b, I believe we've met and I have never called you an ass. I believe I'm older than have ridden longer than you. You sure are loose with inappropriate words to others you really don't know. That could make YOU an ass. :wink:
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Second was for 62 in a 50 going over Lolo Pass while passing in a passing zone.
In some states, it's illegal to exceed the speed limit while passing.
Ken
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Egad.
Kirby you did pay the fine. You aren't the subject of that comment. Your only error was a burst of speed that put you well over the speed limit because a car was tailgating you (so, how fast were you going after being 'WFO for about 10 seconds'). I just pointed out that you could have avoided any fine and a trip to court if you had simply waited a little and pulled over to the slow lane after you passed the truck. We have all pulled that stunt before, you just did it in front of an unmarked car. (yes, I had to read your post 4 or 5 times before I understood why you decided to do what you did).
Wayne, yep, we've met. And yes, telling a cop that, 'in CA I wouldn't get pulled over for 10 over the limit' is being an a$$ to the cop, unless you were laughing when you said it.
And, yes, in many states it is illegal to exceed the speed limit when passing. Also something many of us do on a regular basis. On an interstate there is no need to 'speed up' to pass someone. Also something a lot of us do, especially when we see a car approaching from behind at a far higher rate of speed.
And, yes, some of you guys are older than me, since I'm only in my 60's and only have a few million miles of driving on the highways, of which only a bit over 100k of that is on bikes. It doesn't change that when you speed you are likely to get a ticket at some point, and some of those times are going to be 'marginal' in your eyes.
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I have NEVER gotten a speeding tickets.
Been driving since 1976 and riding since 1979, maybe 1978.
In AZ the highway patrol will give "wasting a natural resource " ticket for up to 10mph over posted limit . I don't remember if there are points. Never got one of those either 😊
Tom
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We are all criminal's by design. Pulling over a driver is the number one way to find criminals. I call it low hanging fruit. It is easy to pick and there is plenty of it. I have recently received 2 ticket that I deserved. While waiting for the paper work, I pointed out to the officer in charge all the traffic offenses happening right in front of us. Count the violation you see and then imagine being LEO and trying to decide which fruit to pick. Not an easy job. I watched a texting driver go thru a 6 lane intersection against a red light yesterday. The driver slammed on the brakes, slid sideways while the opposing traffic went various directions to miss him. I was stopped next to a local LEO with two police inside. I rolled my window down and ask if the were going to do anything. The driver LEO, reach over and flipped on the lights and pulled the driver over.
The last ticket I got a 10 days ago on my Guzzi, I deserved. Going 62 in a 25. The very small town assistant police chief was coming the opposite direction on a narrow, hilly, curvy county road. When he approached me, he could tell I was exceeding the posted speed limit visually. It was quite obvious. He slammed on his Crown Victoria brakes, turned left, slid sideways, did a three point turn around, smoked his tires all in front of oncoming traffic. I had slowed down enough to look over my should and watch his driving skills. I continued on until I found a safe place to stop. By the time he caught up to me, he was easily doing 50 mph. He saw me sitting in the pull off and slammed on his brakes, sliding 60 or more feet, put the car in reverse, smoked the tires, put the car in drive and pulled into the pull off. He jumped out of the car, walked around the front to where I was stopped and asked the me the stupid question of the day, Do You know why I pulled you over. I laughed and said no. I then told him to calm down. He said that after the "Texas" shooting, every one is nervous. I pleaded my case and pointed out that I pulled over and waited for him to catch up. He wrote me a City Citation for $85. I told him that was cheaper than track day and I was lucky he missed the 120 mph run thru the construction zone. We talked for a while and he ended the conversation with a "you seem like a pretty nice guy". Imagine that.
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So what makes you an expert, Charlie b? Are you a retired LEO? Or just someone very opinionated.
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Oh hell , we are all a bunch of opinionated old fools :laugh: I know it is hot fellas , may be time to step back from this and get some perspective . Seems every discussion re the law , or anything related to it , turns heated , let's cool down a bit . Thanks .
Dusty
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Yep, I am opionated :) Nope, not a LEO. Two guys I ride with are, one is my neighbor. Three of my shooting buddies are cops (one retired as a deputy chief). Neice and nephew are both cops. Have learned a lot from them, especially what sets them off during a stop.
One of my HS friends had a dad who was a cop. We had long discussions with him about being a cop, especially during the highway shooting sprees in the late 60's in AZ. He was the one who taught us how dangerous traffic stops are for cops and why they can react like they are on a hair trigger (cause many are). He was also the one who convinced me to never become a cop. Went in the Army instead.
One lesson I learned from my father-in-law. He was ticketed for doing 67 in a 55 when he was only doing 52. I asked him why he was going to pay it. His response was that I may not of been speeding this time, but, this is my ticket for all the other times I was speeding. I applied that to a ticket I got for doing 72 in a 65 when I was only doing 63. Just accepted the ticket from the cop and told him I hoped he had a safe weekend and paid the ticket.
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I have NEVER gotten a speeding tickets.
Been driving since 1976 and riding since 1979, maybe 1978.
In AZ the highway patrol will give "wasting a natural resource " ticket for up to 10mph over posted limit . I don't remember if there are points. Never got one of those either 😊
Tom
No points because it wasn't a moving violation but it satisfied the Fed. DOT requirements for enforcing the National 55mph speed at the time.
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First one was for 65 in a 55 on a back road with almost no traffic.
Second was for 62 in a 50 going over Lolo Pass while passing in a passing zone.
Both were pretty marginal in my opinion, especially the one in the passing zone. No other way to get past the car in the short distance of the lane.
So, my question is: Are the Police not giving warnings anymore? Is revenue generation such a priority that they no longer have the option?
Go back and read your drivers' manual. If you have to exceed the speed limit to pass, it's not a legal pass. Nothing "marginal" at all in that one.
Ten over and twelve over, one while passing. I guess the officers "could have" issued warnings, but you were clearly breaking the law. You wanna play, you have to pay.
I've had mixed results with traffic stops while motorcycling. I've had a few cops just give me the slow down hand wave as I passed, not even bothering to stop me for a written warning. And I've been stopped for exceeding 100 mph, and had it reduced to 85 in a 65.
I don't think you should expect a warning when you get to the 10mph over mark. If you do get a pass, chalk it up to a good day. Otherwise, just pay it and move on.
Things are much more lenient around here since speed limits have been raised. Back in the 55 mph days, there were some places that were "no tolerance". Yes, I know people who were stopped for 57 in a 55. That sucked.
Things are much better, now.
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It is nice that on these beautiful American highways we have, that at least in some places speed limits are at least now legally 80 mph...head west from San Antonio to El Paso and it's a long ass day when you can only do 65 mph. Honestly there's no real reason why it couldn't be unlimited like on the Autobahn out there...as long as folks would remember that the left lane is truly a passing lane and not a parking lane.
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Paul , yes there is a reason to not have unrestricted speed limits , American drivers would die in much larger numbers . When they have a wreck on the Autos , either Bahn or Strada , it is a mess. Most Americans aren't good enough drivers to go 100 MPH in any safety . Of course if the car makers would just listen to me and start building nerf cars ... :laugh:
Dusty
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I'd love to see some unlimited speed sections out here.
If they enforced the same rules as they do on the Autobahn, then it might work. But, US drivers are not as good at that as the Germans were. The idea that you MUST pull over into the slow lane to let a faster car go by??!!! That's un-American! :)
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Going faster than 55mph has been better since the National 55mph speed limit was repealed through the lobbying effors of the NMA.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=national+motorists+association&form=PRUSEN&pc=U147I&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=2cccca4acb9a4b0b89df73ed937677ce&qs=AS&pq=national+motorists&sc=8-18&sp=1&cvid=2cccca4acb9a4b0b89df73ed937677ce
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It might take a few years but over time, training and education and making it a mandatory part of getting a driver's license could eventually influence the next generation of drivers....over time, slowly, but it could happen.
There's nothing quite so entertaining as winding up the 911 on a wide open West Texas highway with no traffic and the sunset coming down...the music of the flat 6 humming as the RPM's increase...who needs music at that point! If you've driven in Europe at all, you know how much fun it is to let the ponies run free from time to time...shoot even Diesel Volvo Station Wagons can run at 240 km/h with no sweat and still get good mileage...it's a pity it's so restricted here!
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I'm putting 'the badge' on my rear fender and lower left-hand side of the bug screen. :boozing:
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If the tiered licensing requirements were tighter for all involved then the speed limits could be raised to Euro standards. I don't see that happening since that would mean a lot of people that have their licenses would need training and retesting.
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It could happen , but it won't happen :rolleyes: The death toll would be so high during the adjustment period that the idea would not last . We have 75 MPH limits on our Turnpikes in OK , which means the traffic flow is at about 82 MPH , no problem for a modern well maintained car , but when a 1981 Camaro with a muffler dragging running on bald tires is doing that speed it is unsettling. Heck , haven't the Germans instituted some speed control on large parts of the Autobahn system ?
Dusty
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Yes.....from what I understand it's not unlimited anymore. Possibly only the Autostrada in Italy is still unlimited. Going 90mph was a medium speed in the middle lane.
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Yes.....from what I understand it's not unlimited anymore. Possibly only the Autostrada in Italy is still unlimited. Going 90mph was a medium speed in the middle lane.
Fun, I could go flat out in the left lane with the Norge (beep, beep). :boozing:
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What's more fun is that in the Alps region (Dolomites) they don't care how you ride your bike. Moto Guzzis really shine. :thumb:
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Rocker is right that things are better now that we have a sane speed limit policy, and no more federally mandated 55 mph speed limit.
But what frosts my cookies is the mindless enforcement of speed law. Which I cynically attribute to revenue enhancement. Or having a violation that is pretty easy to prove in court, without a lot of hassle.
Just this morning I was at an urban intersection, and watched a motorist blow the red light. It wasn't even close--he was way late, and moving very fast. State Trooper next to me; both of us at the front of the line. I'm sure he saw it. But he did nothing. That is quite irritating.
I very rarely see anyone pulled over for weaving in and out of traffic. Tailgating. Blowing red-lights. Texting so bad they appear to be Otis the Drunk. You know, the stuff that scares me when I'm on a bike. Because it could kill me.
I instead see constant, mindless pointing of radar guns to pull people over for going 70 on a dry, traffic free interstate that is posted for 65 mph. OK, well, I'm not worried about people going 70 on that interstate. Misplaced priorities.
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I just got a red light violation in the mail today. The wife's car but it's registered in my name. Told her she's got some 'splaing to do. She's Cuban, referance to I Love Lucy. She got it.
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Buncha whiners.
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Paul , yes there is a reason to not have unrestricted speed limits , American drivers would die in much larger numbers . When they have a wreck on the Autos , either Bahn or Strada , it is a mess. Most Americans aren't good enough drivers to go 100 MPH in any safety . Of course if the car makers would just listen to me and start building nerf cars ... :laugh:
Dusty
I disagree. Back in the 60'S in wide open desert there was no speed limit between Los Angeles and Las Vegas. Station wagons were doing 120 mph. No crashes. I was driving my Volvo P-1800 flat out and all I could do was 100 mph. :evil: In my friend's Austin Healy 100-6 with overdrive no one was passing us. :grin: Then there was my buddy's Jaguar XK i40 that would do 140 mph. :bow: Nowadays on the same road they do about 80 mph if traffic doesn't bunch up.
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I disagree. Back in the 60'S in wide open desert there was no speed limit between Los Angeles and Las Vegas. Station wagons were doing 120 mph. No crashes. I was driving my Volvo P-1800 flat out and all I could do was 100 mph. :evil: In my friend's Austin Healy 100-6 with overdrive no one was passing us. :grin: Then there was my buddy's Jaguar XK i40 that would do 140 mph. :bow: Nowadays on the same road they do about 80 mph if traffic doesn't bunch up.
Uh, what 60's station wagons can cruise at 120 mph ? My experience says very few to none can actually do an honest 120 MPH nevermind cruising at that speed . Would have to see proof on that.. Between 1966 and 68 I drove cross country several times. A few cars blew by me but generally the cruising speeds were about 75 MPH on deserted roadways..And only about half the Interstate highways were complete and speeds on two lane roads were generally lower on the average.
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I think 60' s big block dodges and the like could get going that fast but most would be limited by tires and cooling systems to go more than a few miles at that speed. I wasn't there so I don't know. I do know that sometimes semis would run about 100 on I 20 between Shreveport and Dallas. On a Cal2 I would hang with them for as long as I could, sniffing for hot rubber in case they slung a tread.
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Concerning cruising at super high speeds. Back in the mid 70s ran a 68 SS396 El Camino for about five miles at at 5,800 RPM with 3:36 gearing. Whatever speed that works out to. The main problem was that I used a 1/4 tank of gas doing it so even if everything else would have help up for an extended run at those speeds, fuel stops would have been really, really frequent.
GliderJohn
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120 MPH cruising speed ??? Wayne , Western OK is as open as Arizona , and I have no memory of folks ever running that fast . Heck , as has been stated , most of those cars simply would not run that fast , and the tires of that era would have self destructed after 5 miles or so at that kind of speed . Our 4 lane traffic flow here runs about 75-85 MPH , with the occasional car or bike going a bit faster , I would bet money that general traffic flow is faster now than it was 40 years ago .
Dusty
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Concerning cruising at super high speeds. Back in the mid 70s ran a 68 SS396 El Camino for about five miles at at 5,800 RPM with 3:36 gearing. Whatever speed that works out to.
Give or take a little depending on tire size, about 140 mph. Maybe a few mph less to account for tire slip.
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Back to the original question, I tell the officer the truth: I was concentrating on watching traffic, road conditions, deer and pedestrians and didn't watch my speed close enough." I don't say how fast I think I was going, if they ask I tell them he has a better idea of that, I would have to go by a twenty year old Itailian speedometer.
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I disagree. Back in the 60'S in wide open desert there was no speed limit between Los Angeles and Las Vegas. Station wagons were doing 120 mph. No crashes. I was driving my Volvo P-1800 flat out and all I could do was 100 mph. :evil: In my friend's Austin Healy 100-6 with overdrive no one was passing us. :grin: Then there was my buddy's Jaguar XK i40 that would do 140 mph. :bow: Nowadays on the same road they do about 80 mph if traffic doesn't bunch up.
My parents had 3 Volvo 122S station wagons (66, 67, 68) bought in the late 60's which lasted about 20-25 years. When pushed hard, I remember the orange speedometer creeping to the right to about 110...it might have been able to hit 120 downwind...but it would run at that pace for a bit...not for hours on end but for decent stretch. We would always plaster our face to the window when we saw a P-1800 - (Simon Templar the Saint!!)
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Back to the original question, I tell the officer the truth: I was concentrating on watching traffic, road conditions, deer and pedestrians and didn't watch my speed close enough." I don't say how fast I think I was going, if they ask I tell them he has a better idea of that, I would have to go by a twenty year old Itailian speedometer.
:laugh: Got pulled over by a Trooper in the early 1970's while riding a 650 Triumph . When he asked that question , I honestly told him no idea . Are we talking what the speedo is averaging , a high , or low reading , the dang thing is oscillating between 60 MPH and 140 MPH :shocked: Pretty sure the old thing wasn't capable of more than 105 MPH :laugh:
Dusty
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I can see it now...aPOS hoopty doing 100+ on one or more doughnut spares...not for long.
And the 60s MoPar big blocks were very capable of 140+. That's why they were the most popular choces of highway patrols.
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Those 60s cars did go fast. Got about a mile.5/gal dong it, too. You could pass kidney stones through their jets. But few though could stick to the road at those speeds, and fewer could take a curve. So those 'good 'ol days' were only true with a 440 mopar on a straight, deserted highway for 30 miles. With the proper spacing of gas stations you only needed to fill up every quarter hour.
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Those 60s cars did go fast. Got about a mile.5/gal dong it, too. You could pass kidney stones through their jets. But few though could stick to the road at those speeds, and fewer could take a curve. So those 'good 'ol days' were only true with a 440 mopar on a straight, deserted highway for 30 miles. With the proper spacing of gas stations you only needed to fill up every quarter hour.
Yep :laugh: Stopping was also problematic ...
Dusty
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Only American car I ever owned was a Pontiac straight 8 my father found for $100. All my cars after that were foreign and 4 bangers for good mpg & handling. Bought a new `89 Dodge 3/4T PU for towing and still have it.
Just bought a used Ford Fiesta that handles like a sports car and just got 38mpg driving @ 70-80 mph with it up & down hills while testing it's cornering abilities and it corners as good as my good MCs. :thumb:
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Germany still has many areas on the autobahn that are open speed.
However, due to traffic, construction zones and roads hazards, WFO isn't always possible. Fun, yes. Legal, yes. Dangerous , extremely😀
Tom
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Those 60s cars did go fast. Got about a mile.5/gal dong it, too. You could pass kidney stones through their jets. But few though could stick to the road at those speeds, and fewer could take a curve. So those 'good 'ol days' were only true with a 440 mopar on a straight, deserted highway for 30 miles. With the proper spacing of gas stations you only needed to fill up every quarter hour.
I could run 150 mph+ with the old 429SCJ (built up 1970 Torino) with 3:01 gears (red-line was 6,200 rpm). Back in the 70's I was closing in fast on a cruiser going flat out to a accident scene. He stopped me instead (slowed down and waited till I passed). I ended up with a warning. He was is disbelief someone was on him like that. :boozing:
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120 MPH cruising speed ??? Wayne , Western OK is as open as Arizona , and I have no memory of folks ever running that fast . Heck , as has been stated , most of those cars simply would not run that fast , and the tires of that era would have self destructed after 5 miles or so at that kind of speed . Our 4 lane traffic flow here runs about 75-85 MPH , with the occasional car or bike going a bit faster , I would bet money that general traffic flow is faster now than it was 40 years ago .
Dusty
I was just shifting into second @ 70 mph. :boozing:
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These suckers could be fast, very fast.....
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Was that yours Cool? Bad ass machine!
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Was that yours Cool? Bad ass machine!
No, I had a 1970 Torino 429SCJ with 3:01 gears, 30 over with TRW racing pistons. I miss my BIG BLOCK! lol - runs a Norge these day's......
Looked like this except green. Loved the rear louvers and functional hood scoop. She idled at 1,200 rpm. :boozing:
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I had a '70 Torino stock. No upgrades was a fun car and look good in BRG.
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No bigger bullshit that how fast my vehicle goes and the fuel mileage.... If you don't have recorded proof, it never happened... :laugh:
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Fight the ticket your self. Witht the proper forms for your jurisiction, you ask for right of discovery and start questioning the officer training (usually behind requirements because of budgets), equipment maintenance (again, probably not current), maintenance records of patrol vehicle used (should it have been on the road?). They would rather drop your ticket than pay to research and provide this info. Or hire a lawyer that will do the same things.
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. . . .and while you're dicking the system over a ticket you know you earned, don't forget to whine about your entitlements and rights. If you file all the papers and make all the depositions and discoveries (don't forget to show this topic where you admit guilt, btw), demand your jury trial and then the appeals to the higher courts, you can keep the courts occupied for weeks. Yessir, and while you're keeping the courts occupied with your frivolity, they're not getting any of those folks you insist are more deserving of punishment off the streets. So everyone wins.
No wait. Everyone loses, and you become 'that guy' you're always complaining about. You did it. Grow a pair and take your lumps.