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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: LowRyter on July 24, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
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http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/ducati/2017-ducati-supersport-s-leaked.html
From the photo, we can see a new fairing design covering what looks to be the chassis of the Monster 1200. The shape of the trellis and the laydown shock look like they came straight from the Monster, as does the swingarm. The engine, however, will be the four-valve 937cc Twin that also powers the Hyperstrada family.
At that displacement, the SuperSport comes just 18cc short of the 959 Panigale but Ducati makes it clear the two bikes fit different needs. While the mini-Panigale is a racebike that can be ridden on the road, Ducati describes the SuperSport as a sporty road bike that will be “accessible also to new comers to the Ducati world thanks to its easy riding, weight, performance and price.”
This Supersport’s taller seat, different exhaust design and apparently longer seat-to-peg distance just might cure everything MO didn’t like about the current Monster. A Ducati sportbike with relatively high bars and an unobstructed right footpeg area sounds like just what the doctor ordered, but judging from the dramatically scooped seating area we might not be getting the longer seat-to-peg distance for which we’re so desperately longing.
Ducati will reveal full details including specifications for the 2017 SuperSport and SuperSport S in November at the EICMA show in Milan.
(http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/sites/motorcyclistonline.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/ducati_supersport_01.jpeg?itok=JU7q8QAj&fc=50,50)
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Looks like it will make a nice SPORT-tourer.
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Looks like it will make a nice SPORT-tourer.
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Right! I bet the color-matched saddlebags will be slick!
I wonder if it has electronic cruise control.
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Depends on the price, ergos, performance and maintainability. It's based on the Monster. It doesn't have a "beak" on it, isn't naked and doesn't look like a dirt bike. It looks like a sport bike for the road but not a hyper track tool.
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Right! I bet the color-matched saddlebags will be slick!
I wonder if it has electronic cruise control.
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Cruise control ? :shocked:
The bars look high, in relation to the seat. Looks like relaxed (for a sporty bike) ergos.
SPORT-tourer.
No, not a fat pig ST-1300 or R12RT. Those are tourers in my book...
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Might need to look at an aftermarket seat to be a sport/tourer. At least in that picture there does not seem to be much of a seat there. At least not for my old butt anymore.
GliderJohn
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Might need to look at an aftermarket seat to be a sport/tourer. At least in that picture there does not seem to be much of a seat there. At least not for my old butt anymore.
GliderJohn
Some riders consider a Goldwing a "sport-tourer". Eye of the beholder, I guess.
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/july/ducati-project-1312-supersport/
“The bike is brand new, it’s just the frame that comes from XDiavel and Monster trellis frame. There are some components used on other bikes but otherwise it’s a completely new bike.
“The Supersport is not an entry-level sportsbike. That would be a bike for beginners, this is not that. This is a sportsbike designed for the road.
"There will be two models, the Supersport and the Supersport S. The main difference is that the S has Öhlins suspension front and rear, and a removable rear seat cowl.
"The dash is completely new with new functionality, and is ready for the Ducati multimedia system, the same as on Multistrada. The headlamp shape is completely new, the shape was inspired by Panigale but the headlamp has daytime running lights. The exhaust is new as well as the complete fairing.
“This bike is for customers who desire a sportsbike with versatility and with road focus performance. It is for riders who don’t want a bike for trackdays so this is a bike that is sporty and at the same time comfortable in terms of seating position. It is not in the Panigale family.
“In terms of performance and price performance it is a step behind the 959 Panigale, but it is a completely different family, the only link between the two is sportiness.
“We made this because we wanted to target the customer who loves sportsbikes and wants street legal performance of one. This is designed for the road. It is still truly a sportsbike but for the road. We investigated the market and saw very interesting potential for these types of customers.
“The displacement is the same as the Hypermotard 939, but the problem is we applied mechanical modification and electronic tuning of the engine and even the attachment of the engine to the frame is different. With this frame, the engine is a stressed element. So it is 939 displacement, but not really the same engine, because 80% of it is new.
“The start price will be between £10,000 and £10,800 (12-13,000 Euros) for the Supersport, for the S model I cannot say."
The new Supersport is also certain to boast ABS, three rider modes: sport, touring and urban – each linked to the 8-level traction control, Diablo Rosso II tyres and the requisite (but missing on the 959 Panigale) single-sided swingarm. Both models will have fully adjustable suspension.
Expect a full unveil at the Milan show this Autumn, and for the Supersport to arrive in Ducati dealers in late Spring/early Summer 2017.
For more on the new Ducati Supersport, see this Wednesday's MCN – on July 6.
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Gees, thanks for the update Rock.
For $12k, it can certainly put the Jones on.
With a Bandit and the Sport, I am not sure what I'd do. Sorta redundant. Gosh if they made it lime green and a red frame ...! (OF course those aren't Duc colors.) but RED, whoooee-sir.
Luckily I get over these lustful moments over time. I remember when I had that crush on the 1400 Cal, then R1200RT, Suzuki GSXS1000.....
I've gotta work it out. Hopefully this phase'll be all over by the time the bike is actually released.
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I might be sorely tempted, especially if hard, locking panniers are an option. I miss my ST2.
A huge plus in my book: No beak!
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Gees, thanks for the update Rock.
For $12k, it can certainly put the Jones on.
Brother, that's the truth! With Guzzi abandoning SPORT-touring with nothing in the pipeline, this may be a fallback for me.
I like Ducatis, have ridden and owned them, and would love to see the Supersport S with some C-Bow Hepco Beckers!
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Nice bike, but Ducati's in terms of long distance ownership still have those high priced maintenance costs. Yeah, they have lengthened the valve adjustment period but it seems to still cost $700 plus for that work depending on location.
I'd still like to own a Ducati someday, but not one that would attract high mileage.
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Nice bike, but Ducati's in terms of long distance ownership still have those high priced maintenance costs. Yeah, they have lengthened the valve adjustment period but it seems to still cost $700 plus for that work depending on location.
I'd still like to own a Ducati someday, but not one that would attract high mileage.
What is the valve adjust interval, now? 12,000 miles?
Only expensive if you're riding a lot of miles.
As one of several bikes in my garage, I can see that being about once every two to three years.
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Is Terdblanche back at Ducati? Fugly....
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Assuming maintenance intervals are the same as the Hyper that shares the same motor, it will be 9K for oil service and 18K for the valve service. It is a big, expensive job, but that interval is pretty long. It's not an impossible job for a skilled home mechanic either. You do need to visit the dealer to reset the service indicator, which is annoying.
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If you desire a Ducati there is only one way to satisfy that lust. Own one. I did. Loved it. Done. Might not have sold it had I found the closest dealer sooner.
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Cruise control ? :shocked:
The bars look high, in relation to the seat. Looks like relaxed (for a sporty bike) ergos.
SPORT-tourer.
No, not a fat pig ST-1300 or R12RT. Those are tourers in my book...
Unless the FJR has been updated handling wise a lot since generation 1, you can put that one in the 'tourer' list too. :evil:
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What is the valve adjust interval, now? 12,000 miles?
Only expensive if you're riding a lot of miles.
As one of several bikes in my garage, I can see that being about once every two to three years.
Yes, only applicable for high a mileage bike. As an example, if it costs $7-900.00 per visit to the dealer my Norge would cost me an additional $3,500 to $4,500 and by that logic I should buy a used Ducati minus that amount of money. Last time I looked, that isn't hard to find via Craigslist.
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Gees, thanks for the update Rock.
For $12k, it can certainly put the Jones on.
With a Bandit and the Sport, I am not sure what I'd do. Sorta redundant. Gosh if they made it lime green and a red frame ...! (OF course those aren't Duc colors.) but RED, whoooee-sir.
Luckily I get over these lustful moments over time. I remember when I had that crush on the 1400 Cal, then R1200RT, Suzuki GSXS1000.....
I've gotta work it out. Hopefully this phase'll be all over by the time the bike is actually released.
£10,000 = 15k :popcorn:
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Fortunately it doesn't come with the factory heated seat like the Pani....I like this bike....hell yeah I like this bike alot!! Way to go Ducati!
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(http://mediazure.ducati.com/assets/media/concept/intro/image.jpg)
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(http://mediazure.ducati.com/assets/media/concept/intro/image.jpg)
I like the looks- for that style of motorcycle.
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it's not meant to be a full-on sportbike.
It's meant to be a standard-based sporty bike, like a V11 Lemans/Sport minus (100lbs and plus 30hp).
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Sheesh...
At least get the friggin colors right. White fram and wheels, red bodywork please. Then I'll take another look.
Eric
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Sheesh...
At least get the friggin colors right. White fram and wheels, red bodywork please. Then I'll take another look.
Eric
sorry, this is all you can get
(http://mediazure.ducati.com/assets/media/concept/models/supersport-s-red.png)
but I like REEEeeeeeDDDDDDDDDD ddddddddddddddddddd d
(I would never have white wheels)
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Is Terdblanche back at Ducati? Fugly....
Wow! That was my first thought too, Terblanche had the worst styling and this looks like one of his. The Multi-Strata, the 999, the post-1998 900ss bikes... glad he has moved on. Since then he's been with Norton, Confederate, and Royal Enfield for brief stints.
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Hmmm.......... I used to own Ducati's back in their hay day... wonderfully mechanical machines almost as good as a Goose...... problem is the new stuff now you cant tell the difference between them and a Honda now.
Sorry folks ... Stinson out.
Ciao
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A lot of excitement about this bike on the Ducati ST board, no surprise. The way it's being rolled out, no hard bags, no top case option but heated grips and ABS. So maybe an ST is on the way, but this isn't it yet.
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Last comfy Ducati I had was a mid 90's 900-SS/SP.
This looks mildly interesting.
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Will it make me look younger, 10lb,s lighter and attractive to woman half my age?
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I've owned 4 Ducatis, including a 1997 900 Supersport, and the legendary 916 (my track bike), Monster S2R1000, and ST4S. If you can turn a wrench, don't let the valve clearance adjustments and maintenance scare you - much easier than a jap 4.
Belts (approx $200 for the set) are easy (not sure if new 900 is chain or belts), and as far as the valve clearance adjustments go, you will find that they don't change after about 10,000 miles. I checked mine way too often. Also, belts will go a long time when you understand how to set them. I never used a "special" tool for that. It's a bit different between the 2 (air cooled) and 4 valve motors.
I'd be more concerned about maintenance if I were looking at a VFR, for example.
In fact, I never brought my bikes back to the dealer after the initial purchase...
John
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Will it make me look younger, 10lb,s lighter and attractive to woman half my age?
yes, for all of the above :thumb:
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I've owned 4 Ducatis, including a 1997 900 Supersport, and the legendary 916 (my track bike), Monster S2R1000, and ST4S. If you can turn a wrench, don't let the valve clearance adjustments and maintenance scare you - much easier than a jap 4.
Belts (approx $200 for the set) are easy (not sure if new 900 is chain or belts), and as far as the valve clearance adjustments go, you will find that they don't change after about 10,000 miles. I checked mine way too often. Also, belts will go a long time when you understand how to set them. I never used a "special" tool for that. It's a bit different between the 2 (air cooled) and 4 valve motors.
I'd be more concerned about maintenance if I were looking at a VFR, for example.
In fact, I never brought my bikes back to the dealer after the initial purchase...
John
One of the guys I know (and go to for help) is a Ducati specialist. He tells me the new Ducs are no harder to adjust valves and do routine maintenance than the Japanese sportsbikes and the maintenance intervals are about the same.
Now he'll also note that older Ducs -like that 916- are maintenance intensive where $2500 tune ups aren't unusual. Dave actually finds it's easier to remove the engine when working on a 916 for scheduled maintenance and valve adjustment. He also notes that deferred maintenance is a major cost driver when buying a used one.
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Heck, the "Ducati parking only" alone is worth the price of admission at the Austin Moto GP track.
Guess I will go down the freeway and sign up for one of these SS. Do they make it in Tenni Green?
All I remember is riding my friend Ed's Duc, think it was a 1099? ALL on or ALL off bike....he traded it for a Diavel.
Cool bike indeed.
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Is Terdblanche back at Ducati? Fugly....
Agreed! Terblanche ruined the Super Sports round about 1999 and this one ain't much better. I'll keep my old 1996 2 valve air cooled 900ss.
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I've always been partial to Supersports with half-fairings. That 2-valve engine from the early nineties should be on display for all to see...
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/JamesBagley/d96b06ed481d3af0fe264e08ef232216.jpg)
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The 1995 916 did have a few issues to sort like flaking rockers. They were about $200 bucks each, and not too bad to install. No, much easier to leave the engine in the bike (my opinion).
The '90s era Ducs kind of remind me of the current MG. Almost completely sorted, but not quite there. Hell, I never had an oil leak on one of them (unlike my V7ii). This was my '97 Supersport. Still miss the damn thing...
(http://thumb.ibb.co/jJOXqa/900_SSSP.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jJOXqa)
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Of the many bikes I've had over the years, the '98 Ducati 900ss with the half fairing is probably my favorite. It's not the ride for a long trip, but it's got to be one of the best canyon bikes ever. I think that a 900ss was the bike in a Hunter Thompson story.
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yes ....Song of the Sausage Creature.
http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html
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The 1995 916 did have a few issues to sort like flaking rockers. They were about $200 bucks each, and not too bad to install. No, much easier to leave the engine in the bike (my opinion).
The '90s era Ducs kind of remind me of the current MG. Almost completely sorted, but not quite there. Hell, I never had an oil leak on one of them (unlike my V7ii). This was my '97 Supersport. Still miss the damn thing...
(http://thumb.ibb.co/jJOXqa/900_SSSP.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jJOXqa)
The half faired SS from 97 were sweet looking. Funny how performance 'specs' may sell magazines but don't relate to much long term. In the long run, most bikes that are performance leaders in their era will be outperformed by bikes soon after and forgotten.
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Brother, that's the truth! With Guzzi abandoning SPORT-touring with nothing in the pipeline, this may be a fallback for me.
I like Ducatis, have ridden and owned them, and would love to see the Supersport S with some C-Bow Hepco Beckers!
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I like 'em on my Monster.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14708040_10207297402820628_5793466334856749619_o.jpg)
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While my '07 Monster S2R1000 was way faster in the canyons, it didn't bring a smile to my face like the 900ss. It's like I had to go way faster on the Monster to get the same satisfaction out of it...The 900ss was a rider's bike, and with a good seat, you could tour on it as long as you weren't too tall.