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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: derek533 on July 26, 2016, 10:34:40 PM
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Hey guys, just bought a Breva 1100. Today, when I turned on the bike, the message display said "please remember to insert your code". Reading through the manual, it seems as though I need two keys to recover the code or change it.
My question is, only one key came with the bike (I'm presuming the original owner lost it). Is there a way to reset the code without a 2nd key and is this something a dealer has to do? Also, since I don't know the code, I'm not going to be left stranded somewhere because the bike won't start will I?
Thanks in advance.
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Someone else will, hopefully, give you a more complete answer but, as I recall, you don't need to enter a user code. But if you do, it makes sense to make it the same as the service code, which is useful. That way, you'll only have the one code to remember.
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The 'Please insert your code' is a reminder to set the user-defined code - some riders do this, some ignore the message perpetually. If it has never been set, then I believe the best procedure is to obtain a second key, use the service code (not the user code) to enable the new key, then set the user code to whatever you choose - the most common is to use the service code as the user code. Remember, a user code is there so you can start the bike when using a key that is cut properly, but that is not recognized by the ECU (such as when the transponder ship fails, the antenna fails, etc.). Even if someone knows the code, they still need a key in the cylinder that can turn the switch.
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The 'Please insert your code' is a reminder to set the user-defined code - some riders do this, some ignore the message perpetually. If it has never been set, then I believe the best procedure is to obtain a second key, use the service code (not the user code) to enable the new key, then set the user code to whatever you choose - the most common is to use the service code as the user code. Remember, a user code is there so you can start the bike when using a key that is cut properly, but that is not recognized by the ECU (such as when the transponder ship fails, the antenna fails, etc.). Even if someone knows the code, they still need a key in the cylinder that can turn the switch.
I get his message with 'both' key's?
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How would I go about finding the Service Code and how do I even enter a user code in the first place? Can't seem to figure out how to even enter a code.
I'll be going through a city that has an authorized Guzzi dealer next week and will try to get a second key as suggested and try that out. Thanks for the suggestions fellas.
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How would I go about finding the Service Code and how do I even enter a user code in the first place? Can't seem to figure out how to even enter a code.
I'll be going through a city that has an authorized Guzzi dealer next week and will try to get a second key as suggested and try that out. Thanks for the suggestions fellas.
28315
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What MPH used to do was reset the code to the last five digits of the VIN. Nothing to remember that way. An elegant and simple solution.
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When I bought my new bike, the recommendation I got from the dealer was to not set a user code and just ignore the message at startup.
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When I bought my new bike, the recommendation I got from the dealer was to not set a user code and just ignore the message at startup.
Now, there's a dealer that I would listen to, NOT!
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Now, there's a dealer that I would listen to, NOT!
Why is the code even needed? For what propose?
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Why is the code even needed? For what propose?
My understanding is that it is an extra level of security. If you choose to add that extra level of security, then you have to be willing to take the extra effort of managing that extra level, including making sure that the information is passed on to a future owner. My dealer explained the pros and cons, but he personally felt that the extra level of security was not worth the effort. YMMV.
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Well your dealer's a twit.
Without inserting a user code if something happens to the antenna you can't start the bike. The dash will ask for the code, don't have one? Call a tow truck! Waste more $'s
It's very bloody easy. It's in the owner's handbook but once again, with feeling.
Go to the menu.
Scroll down to 'Change the code' and hold the button down.
Chose a number by flicking the toggle or repeatedly giving short presses of the button , then store it by holding the toggle in in the central position or the button down until the cursor moves to the second position.
Repeat four more times until you have a five figure number, that's your code. I use the first five numerals of my birth date so I can won't forget it.
Hold down the button/toggle one last time.
Retreat to it of the menu and turn off the ignition.
Next time you turn it on the stupid, irritating, message will be gone and if someone tries to steal your bike and damages the ignition switch or antenna you'll still be able to get home by inserting the code when asked.
Why anyone would choose not to perform this simple, five minute, process is beyond me!
Pete
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Well your dealer's a twit.
Without inserting a user code if something happens to the antenna you can't start the bike. The dash will ask for the code, don't have one? Call a tow truck! Waste more $'s
It's very bloody easy. It's in the owner's handbook but once again, with feeling.
Go to the menu.
Scroll down to 'Change the code' and hold the button down.
Chose a number by flicking the toggle or repeatedly giving short presses of the button , then store it by holding the toggle in in the central position or the button down until the cursor moves to the second position.
Repeat four more times until you have a five figure number, that's your code. I use the first five numerals of my birth date so I can won't forget it.
Hold down the button/toggle one last time.
Retreat to it of the menu and turn off the ignition.
Next time you turn it on the stupid, irritating, message will be gone and if someone tries to steal your bike and damages the ignition switch or antenna you'll still be able to get home by inserting the code when asked.
Why anyone would choose not to perform this simple, five minute, process is beyond me!
Pete
Thanks! The dealer I bought the used bike from just now located the manual and I have to go pick it up so I didn't know how to get to it prior.
Ok, so let me understand this: I have two options.
1. Ignore the message
2. Get replacement key and use the service code as the user code.
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Getting another key cloned first lwould be wise that way they will both easily be recognised by the dash. As for the security code it can be any five numeral number you like.
Pete
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Well your dealer's a twit.
Without inserting a user code if something happens to the antenna you can't start the bike. The dash will ask for the code, don't have one? Call a tow truck! Waste more $'s
It's very bloody easy. It's in the owner's handbook but once again, with feeling.
Go to the menu.
Scroll down to 'Change the code' and hold the button down.
Chose a number by flicking the toggle or repeatedly giving short presses of the button , then store it by holding the toggle in in the central position or the button down until the cursor moves to the second position.
Repeat four more times until you have a five figure number, that's your code. I use the first five numerals of my birth date so I can won't forget it.
Hold down the button/toggle one last time.
Retreat to it of the menu and turn off the ignition.
Next time you turn it on the stupid, irritating, message will be gone and if someone tries to steal your bike and damages the ignition switch or antenna you'll still be able to get home by inserting the code when asked.
Why anyone would choose not to perform this simple, five minute, process is beyond me!
Pete
What antenna?
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Getting another key cloned first lwould be wise that way they will both easily be recognised by the dash. As for the security code it can be any five numeral number you like.
Pete
Both key's work without the code?
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What antenna?
The ECU has an immobilizer circuit - the key has a chip that responds to a signal from the ECU after you turn the key. About the same time as the needle sweep and light show, the ECU sends a weak radio signal through an antenna located like a collar around the switch. The chip responds with a code which the ECU checks against a list it keeps of registered keys (up to if I recall). If the key is registered, the ECU lets you start the bike. If it isn't, it asks for a user code before allowing you to start the bike - even though the key is cut correctly.
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The ECU has an immobilizer circuit - the key has a chip that responds to a signal from the ECU after you turn the key. About the same time as the needle sweep and light show, the ECU sends a weak radio signal through an antenna located like a collar around the switch. The chip responds with a code which the ECU checks against a list it keeps of registered keys (up to if I recall). If the key is registered, the ECU lets you start the bike. If it isn't, it asks for a user code before allowing you to start the bike - even though the key is cut correctly.
an the bike starts anyways, both keys, makes zero difference.
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So I input a security code and the bike works or I do nothing and the bike works? Help me with this?
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So I input a security code and the bike works or I do nothing and the bike works? Help me with this?
It's very simple , even for an Okie . As long as there is no problem the lack of a code is not an issue. But , if someone tries to steal the bike , or there is a tech problem , then you are gonna need the code .
Dusty
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Yup, the default code will work as well but if someone forces the lock and gets the 'Insert Code' message chances are they will try five zero's as a starter. Why make it easy? Inserting your own code also means you don't get the message indicating you're an idiot on the dash when you turn the ignition on. Things like that irritate the piss out of me. Maybe they don't you? Your choice.
Pete
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Hey “derek533” congrats on the new to you Breva! I have had my 06 Breve since 08 and love it, 20K or so. Have had the same message for as long as I have owned the bike I just keep riding but reading this thread guess I should sort it out... Taking off on a 500 mile trip soon, I'll figure this out some day. Enjoy your bike, one of my favorite bikes of all time!
Bob
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Its not bloody hard!
for crying out loud how many of you people would want to go back to having to physically unlock your car when you wanted to get in it and drive? How many us would be sitting with flat batteries in our cars if they did't bleep at us when we got out and had left the lights on? Yes, I'm just as guilty of such laziness as anyone but I'm not going to suddenly come all over all 'Technophobe' when its something as simple as punching five numbers into a dashboard!
Satan on a Surfboard! Anybody would think you were being asked to reprogram the launch target co-ordinates for NORAD with a blindfold on and Vladimir Putin blowing cheap meth up yer blurters! If its that hard go and live in a cave and catch your supper with an antelope's thighbone! I'm told that a travois towed by a dog is all the rage among the 'Up-To-Date' caveman set!
Pete
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I blame http://millcitymoto.com/
When I purchased the bike and rode it home the tires had like 20 psi in them. Nothing was said about this code, time to take matters into my own hands and code the dang thing. Makes me wonder about that 1st service that costs me $300. They didn't even know the service interval for the Norge.
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Pete you got me laughing this morning again.....
Satan on a surfboard :evil:
keepem coming.
Mark
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For fear of Pete's rage again :whip2:, let me say this one last thing as I think I got it.
So if I am understanding you nasa engineers correctly, if it's asking for a code on every start up, it means that one has never been put in and I can freely put in my own without fear of locking myself out of the bike so to speak.
Correct?
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If I'm reading all this correctly. The answer is YES!! As long as the chip on the key can be read by the ECU. If the chip or antenna is damaged, then you need your key AND THE CODE YOU ENTERED.
Don't forget your code!! Keep it simple in the ways mentioned here.
Hey I think I understand this and don't even own one with all this electo gadgetry!! :thumb:
Tom
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did ya get the one Euroteck had? Congrats! It looked ready to travel.
PM me, as I might have a few thing that can help.
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reading all this makes me glad I ride an Eldorado :bike-037:
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Reading that sort of inanity makes me very glad I don't.
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Darren you got PM. Thanks
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Both of my bikes display the 'enter user code' do I have to program both keys with this code?
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Both of my bikes display the 'enter user code' do I have to program both keys with this code?
Well, after gaining the ire of another poster with all my questions, I finally decided screw-it, I'm putting in my code and darn the consequences since I'm sick of seeing that message. I have only one key mind you, and now the message is gone on startup.
So either I'm screwed and don't know it, or the fact that it says to enter a code each time you turn the ignition means that no one ever has and you are free to put in your own code. We'll see...
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I blame http://millcitymoto.com/
When I purchased the bike and rode it home the tires had like 20 psi in them. Nothing was said about this code, time to take matters into my own hands and code the dang thing. Makes me wonder about that 1st service that costs me $300. They didn't even know the service interval for the Norge.
The P.O. agreed to have my bike serviced at a local Guzzi dealer as a condition of sale. Found trans oil low, crank case oil high, and the right/left valves adjusted to different values. He paid $400. I had to undo all that mess.
The manual tells you how to program the code. It's not hard.
The code IS ONLY NEEDED if something happens to the security imobilizer. You would not normally notice the radio/chip thing going on...until it doesn't. The code gives you a backup in case there is a problem, but you still need a key to start the bike.
The system is better than some BMWs where you were left stranded if there was an antenna problem.
Two keys are needed if you want to recover the code (it was lost of mis-remembered).
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Well, after gaining the ire of another poster with all my questions, I finally decided screw-it, I'm putting in my code and darn the consequences since I'm sick of seeing that message. I have only one key mind you, and now the message is gone on startup.
So either I'm screwed and don't know it, or the fact that it says to enter a code each time you turn the ignition means that no one ever has and you are free to put in your own code. We'll see...
You are not screwed. Remember the code and it's a non-issue.
You will only need the code if the bike cannot read the chip in your key for some reason. That's it. The only time you will need it.
A second key will be needed to recover the code if you forget it. That is the only time you will need a second key.
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Just for kicks as it hasn't come up yet what is the magical default code when you haven't entered a custom code? I've heard 00000?
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Small tattoo where you can read it will solve the "mis-remembering" thing :shocked: :laugh:
Dusty
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Small tattoo where you can read it will solve the "mis-remembering" thing :shocked: :laugh:
Dusty
Well, the code is a very special date in time that if I ever forget, it wouldn't matter anyway because I won't be alive to ride a bike anyway if you catch my drift. :grin:
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Well, the code is a very special date in time that if I ever forget, it wouldn't matter anyway because I won't be alive to ride a bike anyway if you catch my drift. :grin:
And if you forget , it creates a nice ruse , "honey , what's the code for my motorbike"? It will at least give some cover .... maybe :thewife:
Dusty
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IIRC, without the code, the dash would always go to the first info setting (don't remember what it was now). After I put in the code it would come back to the last one up when restarted.
The user code is a good thing, something I wish my GS had, as mentioned above. If the immobilizer malfunctions on a BMW, call for a tow. On a guzzi, input the code and ride on!
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IIRC, without the code, the dash would always go to the first info setting (don't remember what it was now). After I put in the code it would come back to the last one up when restarted.
The user code is a good thing, something I wish my GS had, as mentioned above. If the immobilizer malfunctions on a BMW, call for a tow. On a guzzi, input the code and ride on!
See , even an Okie from Edmond gets it :laugh:
Dang , you Edmonders , Edmonites , Edmonians ??? are taking over :laugh:
Dusty
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What, is Darren from Edmond too? That makes two of us I guess.
You know what's funny, is I thought this board would be mostly people on the coasts as it would seem like there are more Guzzis on the coasts than there are in flyover country. But I've noticed there's a lot of people on this board from Oklahoma and surrounding states.
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The P.O. agreed to have my bike serviced at a local Guzzi dealer as a condition of sale. Found trans oil low, crank case oil high, and the right/left valves adjusted to different values. He paid $400. I had to undo all that mess.
The manual tells you how to program the code. It's not hard.
The code IS ONLY NEEDED if something happens to the security imobilizer. You would not normally notice the radio/chip thing going on...until it doesn't. The code gives you a backup in case there is a problem, but you still need a key to start the bike.
The system is better than some BMWs where you were left stranded if there was an antenna problem.
Two keys are needed if you want to recover the code (it was lost of mis-remembered).
I screwed up and had to use the 'other' key to recover/ change the code. Think I'll use the 'other' second key from now on. Talked to my dealer today. If the antenna fails, you better know/ have a code stored (and remembered), otherwise she ain't gonna run!
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What, is Darren from Edmond too? That makes two of us I guess.
You know what's funny, is I thought this board would be mostly people on the coasts as it would seem like there are more Guzzis on the coasts than there are in flyover country. But I've noticed there's a lot of people on this board from Oklahoma and surrounding states.
And Lowryter lives here also! It's a rally everyday.
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What, is Darren from Edmond too? That makes two of us I guess.
You know what's funny, is I thought this board would be mostly people on the coasts as it would seem like there are more Guzzis on the coasts than there are in flyover country. But I've noticed there's a lot of people on this board from Oklahoma and surrounding states.
Three in Edmond , a couple in Tulsa , a whole slew of Texans , 4 or so in Kansas , Missouri , Arkansas, Louisiana , Colorado , New Mexico , and one in Muskogee :shocked: That isn't counting the members from the middle that don't post much .
Dusty