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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rocker59 on July 28, 2016, 10:43:23 AM
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*Use this thread for posting up articles on first looks, tests, and reviews of the new MGX-21*
MOTO GUZZI INVADES STURGIS;
MGX-21 FLYING FORTRESS - LAUNCH AT 76TH ANNUAL BLACK HILLS MOTORCYCLE RALLY!
Join us, and hundreds of thousands of motorcyclists from all over the continent, to welcome the most technological Moto Guzzi ever – a modern production bagger, with unmistakable Moto Guzzi style and character. This is your opportunity to experience the newest machines from our historic factory in Mandello first hand in the iconic American backdrop of the Black Hills in South Dakota.
Moto Guzzi Display and Demo Activity (4th and Main St.)
Located at
1435 Main St
Sturgis, SD 57785
Saturday, August 6 – Sunday, August 14
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My buddy Mel and his stunning Rosso Goose, and myself, on my red headed 1400T are leaving next Tues. for Sturgis. I've been three times, 96,97, and 2000 on a GL1200, and Mel has never been. It's been on my bucket list to ride a Guzzi there. What a perfect year to do the deed. The release of the MGX21 and a couple of Guzzi's best touring machines, and I talked work into two weeks off without pay equals=== We're heading to STURGIS!!! Can you tell I'm just a little giddy!!! This is going to be one hell of a ride!!! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :grin: :grin: :grin: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Cool deal, Steve! Be sure and let us know about the MGX-21, when you're able to get hands-on. :thumb:
You are hereby nominated as the Wildgoose man on the street for the Sturgis unveil !!!
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*Use this thread for posting up articles on first looks, tests, and reviews of the new MGX-21*
MOTO GUZZI INVADES STURGIS;
MGX-21 FLYING FORTRESS - LAUNCH AT 76TH ANNUAL BLACK HILLS MOTORCYCLE RALLY!
Join us, and hundreds of thousands of motorcyclists from all over the continent, to welcome the most technological Moto Guzzi ever – a modern production bagger, with unmistakable Moto Guzzi style and character. This is your opportunity to experience the newest machines from our historic factory in Mandello first hand in the iconic American backdrop of the Black Hills in South Dakota.
Moto Guzzi Display and Demo Activity (4th and Main St.)
Located at
1435 Main St
Sturgis, SD 57785
Saturday, August 6 – Sunday, August 14
I'll be there with the Norge - will check it out! Hoping Motus shows up!
Going with the older brother, may stay for 6 day's.
HIM
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So the thread I started yesterday on MG demo rides and Sturgis got taken down for this thread? :shocked:
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So the thread I started yesterday on MG demo rides and Sturgis got taken down for this thread? :shocked:
Tom,
Not "taken down". It was merged into the other MGX thread.
Then we decided to go ahead and create a road test and review thread for the MGX.
Life's rough when you have to worry about shite like that... :rolleyes:
Your positive contributions to this forum are well noted. So is your crankiness.
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I had a dream last night that I got to ride a MGX 21. In the dream a friend pulled up and on one and let me take it. In the dream I was so excited, I was all set, but then couldn't find my helmet, then I lost the key, and the next thing I knew a tow truck was on the seen trying to take it away, because I couldn't get it started. :cry: :cry:
I hate these kind of dreams!
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I had a dream last night that I got to ride a MGX 21. In the dream a friend pulled up and on one and let me take it. In the dream I was so excited, I was all set, but then couldn't find my helmet, then I lost the key, and the next thing I knew a tow truck was on the seen trying to take it away, because I couldn't get it started. :cry: :cry:
I hate these kind of dreams!
Chad, my man.. I've had dreams like that, but it didn't involve a motorcycle.. :)
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Tom,
Not "taken down". It was merged into the other MGX thread.
Then we decided to go ahead and create a road test and review thread for the MGX.
Life's rough when you have to worry about shite like that... :rolleyes:
Your positive contributions to this forum are well noted. So is your crankiness.
The conversation at the real campfire would be the same. :tongue:
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Bongiorno
http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw_42U3yw
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Bongiorno
http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw_42U3yw
Looks like it's going to fit in just fine!
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In inglese:
http://www.gpone.com/en/2016080429401/news-prodotto/the-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-bursts-into-the-sturgis-temple.html
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Well, What a day this turned out to be. We started out with a wonderful buffet breakfast that is served every day at the college. Our plans originally had us riding to Mt. Rushmore for the day, but we decided to ride through Sturgis so Mel could see the goings on. We were hanging out, bought a few things, and what rides by but a MGX-21 right down Main Street in Sturgis. Well plans changed in a hurry with a little help of my GPS I tracked down Guzzi's digs on Main Street in Sturgis. As we are just pulling in the demo ride area, who's walking down the sidewalk, but no other than Miguel Galluzzi the designer of the MGX-21 and most of Guzzi's current lineup. He invited us in and introduced most of the group of Guzzi Executives to us. Everyone was checking out our 1400's, loving them. Michael Lee ( Vehicle and Accessories Product Manager) talked with us for quite a while, with lot's of picture taking going on, when he came up with, we would like to do something special for you guys. He arranged a special demo ride of the MGX-21 led by led my himself and followed by Alessandro Bampa the Marketing Director for Guzzi. They took us on the demo route that is planned for the rally, which starts tomorrow. We had a great ride with a stop at the top of a canyon with great twisties. We chatted about the bikes, which both Mel & I liked very much, and then returned back to Guzzi's digs on Main Street. I urge anyone in the area of Sturgis to come and take a test ride on the new MGX-21 and most of Guzzi's new line up. We so appreciated the time that everyone took to make sure our trip to see the MGX-21 was awesome.
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How about that :thumb:
Dusty
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Great read, thanks! And photos!!
Seems you had a great experience, and I hope Guzzi has successful days at Sturgis.
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Wow Steve! Looks to me like you hit the Jackpot yesterday getting a personal test ride and discussion with the MGX-21's designer. Great pictures and a nice review of yours and Mel's experience. You and Mel can regale us with all of the details when you return home.
John
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:thumb:
How about a more detailed impression of the mgx? How it handles. The seating. The dash. The hard bags.
Fantastic opportunity you stumbled into. I'm envious.
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More pics from Sturgis. Another great day doing test rides and checking out Sturgis as things are ramping up. I had two test rides on the MGX-21 today, the last being a very spirited one on one blast up and down the Canyon with Michael Lee (Vehicle and Accessories Product Manager for Moto Guzzi. After we were done with the test rides Mel & I had another nice chat with Miguel Galluzzi designer for Guzzi. What a great and personable gentleman he is. He loves to talk Guzzi with everyone and certainly has extreme passion for Moto Guzzi. In one of the pics he's talking with someone on the sidewalk. A few pics while we were in the downtown area and a few bikes that I especially liked. More to come tomorrow!!!
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Steve, I personally prefer the aestetics of your and Mel's Cal Tourers to the Batman-esque MGX-21. I'm sure others differ in opinion, but to me it looks cartoonish. Love those red valve covers on the white one, and the red bike is a show-stopper!
Does the MGX have anything to offer in superior handling, comfort, ergos, etc to sway my opinion otherwise?
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http://newatlas.com/moto-guzzi-mgx21-cruiser-sturgis/44772/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=0b39c6d028-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-0b39c6d028-92425013
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The price has been out for weeks. :rolleyes:
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Does the MGX have anything to offer in superior handling, comfort, ergos, etc to sway my opinion otherwise?
Probably not... Since opinions are subjective...
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Does the MGX have anything to offer in superior handling, comfort, ergos, etc to sway my opinion otherwise?
Probably not... Since opinions are subjective...
Not necessary, I think you either want it or don't based on the look. Just like the Griso when it first came out, there were plenty of haters and plenty of lovers.
I am firmly in the I love it, it is bad a$$ looking camp on this one.
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Probably not... Since opinions are subjective...
Compared to what? Like Mike says it means different things to different people. Compared to the Eldorado 1400. I'd probably say it wouldn't handle as well. IIRC the MGX-21, Audace, California 1400 Custom and Touring use the same platform. The Eldo has different wheel and tire sizes compared to the rest of the 1400 Class.
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https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2016/08/08/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-review-10-fast-facts/ I think he likes it.
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Have to modify and correct my last post. MGX21 has a 21" front tire with 16" on the rear. California's have the 18". Audace and Eldo have 16" weenies. If there is no change in the angle/rake of the steering neck, would seem that the front-end would flop.
So that would mean that the Audace and Eldo are the better handling of the 1400's. This would be in hairpin mtn. roads. All of the 1400's would be fine sweepers and straight lines.
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While I don't really care for the fairing, there are a lot of things I do like about the mgx-21. It has some really beautiful Bodywork and bags. The handlebars are pretty cool. The dash looks very informative. I really like all the carbon fiber, even on the front wheel.
Personally I think any handling differences between them are going to be nominal. There are differences in rear wheel and tire size across the line from California Custom to the California El Dorado. There are three differences in front wheel tire combo. But overall I think there are advantages and disadvantages to all three front wheel options.
A 21 inch front wheel can lighten steering feel because of its narrow or section width. A 16 inch front can feel planted and stable in turns.
Under the Skin these are all the same bike so I really think it's going to come down to personal choice on Style. My current favorites are the Eldorado and the mgx-21. I don't really care for the touring.
I do wish there were some color options for the mgx-21.
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https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2016/08/08/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-review-10-fast-facts/ I think he likes it.
confirms my ride on the 1400 Cali: All the other touring cruisers disappearing in the rear view mirror.
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Another review here.
http://www.motorcycle.com/features/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-review.html
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https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2016/08/08/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-review-10-fast-facts/ I think he likes it.
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Not a fairing full-bagger guy, but the fairing is a hell of a lot better than the most common Harley Bat Wing. That's all you see on the road.
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Looks like the factory has stuck a "steering stabilizer" on it to help with the steering flop. Check the motorcycle.com review. There's a picture of it too.
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Love this video- especially the red helmet mask.....
https://youtu.be/gmgMOeCX_7k
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http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride#page-5
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http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride#page-5
"A full-on bagger with that can lean deeper into a turn, rev higher, weighs less, and has better brakes than any dresser on the market. It’s the fastest bagger I’ve ever ridden, not because it has the most powerful engine, but because it’s incredibly well balanced."
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"A full-on bagger with that can lean deeper into a turn, rev higher, weighs less, and has better brakes than any dresser on the market. It�s the fastest bagger I�ve ever ridden, not because it has the most powerful engine, but because it�s incredibly well balanced."
"The following morning, a couple of the other more speed-hungry journalists and I took off to break some rules and really push these new machines. I have never had more fun riding in a group than we did that morning."
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"Galluzzi said that he wanted to build the fastest bagger on the market... After our days in the hills, talking with strangers about this beautiful new mystery to them, jamming harder and faster through canyons than I ever thought possible on a bagger, I say he knocked it out of the park."
Here's the thing, "most" bagger riders are not speed freaks. They're riding for other reasons. The relative performance of the MGX-21 will matter mostly to non-traditional cruiser riders, who are coming off of sportier machines.
Most bagger riders don't care how high the engine will rev, or how far over the bike will lean. They're picking their machines for other reasons, and Guzzi will have to deliver on those if they truly want to break into the big cruiser market.
I think MGX-21 is pretty awesome, but I come from the opposite end of the rider spectrum than the average Sturgis attendee. Galluzzi and Guzzi may think they're marketing this bike to the "biker" crowd, but I'm not sure they'll be listening. Or, opening their chain drive wallets and slapping plastic on the counter...
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But....
Bagger guys love the "pose". If they can lean against the parking meter and tell all their buddies "it's the fastest, best handling bagger out there", well, then that's just icing on the cake, even if they never utilize it.
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I doubt if the big wheel Fortress is any faster than the Cal 14 Tourer.
Anyway, that's what I've said since my first 1400 test ride compared to any other "bagger".
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But....
Bagger guys love the "pose". If they can lean against the parking meter and tell all their buddies "it's the fastest, best handling bagger out there", well, then that's just icing on the cake, even if they never utilize it.
MGX-21 has nothing on the "160 mile per hour 120 inch Stage III" Street Glides and Road Glides "than can show them crotch rockets how it's done".
Know what I mean?
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Those 120 inch bikes that rattle your teeth because the bars shake like a jackhammer? I've ridden one of the CVO bikes with St III. Awful. More shake than fast.
Take a "tour" on one of those.
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I don't care how fast it is, or how far it can lean in a corner.
Ok, the above statement is a lie :wink: I live on Hwy 90 in Missouri. A riders paradise. Revs and handling mean virtually everything to me. Originality, technology and innovation are added bonuses. The best "bagger" I ever owned was a 1998 EV that I put almost 100K on before selling.
I completely dig the MGX and should be getting mine really soon if the test ride meets expectations. I don't think Guzzi is out to convert any hard-core HD loyalists as much as announce to the world that Moto Guzzi actually still builds motorcycles. If they get some of the HD loyalists to remember that bike and talk about it with their buddies, who knows, maybe that'll mean more sold. Not everyone out there likes to march to the most common drum in the band. That's what brought us all here in the first place. We are all free spirits who like to make up our own minds. I just hope a lot, and I mean A LOT of new riders choose Guzzi and I think that was Galluzzi's intention...appeal to new riders.
If you can't adapt, you die. If people quit coming through the door, the door will close.
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Those 120 inch bikes that rattle your teeth because the bars shake like a jackhammer? I've ridden one of the CVO bikes with St III. Awful. More shake than fast.
Take a "tour" on one of those.
You missed my point. LOL.
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I live on Hwy 90 in Missouri. A riders paradise. Revs and handling mean virtually everything to me. Originality, technology and innovation are added bonuses.
It'll sell well to guys like you and me.
And hopefully a few thousand bagger Boyz will get it, too.
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You missed my point. LOL.
did I ?
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If my pockets were a few feet deeper I'd be in line for one. Sounds like just what I need in a bike.
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did I ?
The guy I'm referring to doesn't really ride his glide that doesn't have a 120 inch engine that can't really do 160.
But he does love to talk about his badass Harley...
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What I missed in the pictures, was there much interest?, in pictures it wasn't.
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With that 21" front wheel you'll have a good choice of off road tires! Okay I don't get the 21" tire.
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With that 21" front wheel you'll have a good choice of off road tires! Okay I don't get the 21" tire.
Gotta have a 21 and no front brake. .
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Lemmy from ZLA's Common Tread (Revzilla's online blog) just reviewed the MGX-21:
http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-motorcycle-review
Considering he is admittedly a Harley/American BT loyalist, I'd say he did a fair job of being impartial and complementary where he saw fit.
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Lemmy from ZLA's Common Tread (Revzilla's online blog) just reviewed the MGX-21:
http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-motorcycle-review
Considering he is admittedly a Harley/American BT loyalist, I'd say he did a fair job of being impartial and complementary where he saw fit.
Nice write up.
And some good news:
"Everything you see that looks like carbon fiber is carbon fiber. No cheesy appliqués here. "
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Nice write up.
I get the impression ZLA is trying to set a standard for modern moto-journalism. A sorta no BS, no pandering, fresh look at things.
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Would be interested if he does a review of the Audace/Eldorado variants.
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Lemmy from ZLA's Common Tread (Revzilla's online blog) just reviewed the MGX-21:
http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-motorcycle-review
Considering he is admittedly a Harley/American BT loyalist, I'd say he did a fair job of being impartial and complementary where he saw fit.
I can't believe this guy is a motorcycle road tester writer. It doesn't seem like he's ridden a lot of different bikes.
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Hello folks.
I just noticed a recent review on www.ridermagzine.co m.
August 9th"
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Correction on typo.
Www.ridermagazine.c om.
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I can't believe this guy is motorcycle road tester. It doesn't seem like he's ridden a lot of different bikes.
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He's not a "motorcycle tester" he's A motorcycle rider and writer.
That doesn't mean he can't review a new bike.
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http://ridermagazine.com/2016/08/09/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-review/
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Reviews coming in are definitely on the positive side. In fact the reviews i have seen to this point are noticeably consistent. They find the bike to be good! They find it to be better than the competion in many ways, and equal in others, thats a big plus for Moto Guzzi.
Will this translate into sales, lets hope so!
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I can't believe this guy is a motorcycle road tester writer. It doesn't seem like he's ridden a lot of different bikes.
Ok, so to answer your edit, and maybe I should have addressed this in the first response, but why are you under the impression a motorcycle writer must have necessarily ridden a large variety of bikes?
For the record I get the impression Lemmy is a fan on Harley and similar styled V-twins (mostly American), but does indeed have experience with other brands and types.
Maybe not the depth of experience that one used to find I'm Cycle World or Motorcyclist editors, but Lemmy and CT are a lot newer to the market then those (and perhaps more of a breath of fresh air).
Anyway I find your comment to be the equivalent of wintering why a rock musician might not have experience with jazz or classical. It wouldn't necessarily have an bearing on his craft.
AFAIK CT isn't trying to be Cycle World or Motorcyclist, and that's probably a good thing because those are tired and played out formats.
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Well, for that kind of money I'd probably opt for a Ducati XDiavel for my next cruiser.
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Ok, so to answer your edit, and maybe I should have addressed this in the first response, but why are you under the impression a motorcycle writer must have necessarily ridden a large variety of bikes?
For the record I get the impression Lemmy is a fan on Harley and similar styled V-twins (mostly American), but does indeed have experience with other brands and types.
Maybe not the depth of experience that one used to find I'm Cycle World or Motorcyclist editors, but Lemmy and CT are a lot newer to the market then those (and perhaps more of a breath of fresh air).
Anyway I find your comment to be the equivalent of wintering why a rock musician might not have experience with jazz or classical. It wouldn't necessarily have an bearing on his craft.
AFAIK CT isn't trying to be Cycle World or Motorcyclist, and that's probably a good thing because those are tired and played out formats.
You've certainly given me some good reasons why I shouldn't waste my time reading CT and Lenny.
I'd like to read a ride writer who's ridden more than just a few Harleys. The nuances between a Classic and Limited don't really interest me. Especially from a guy that seems shocked that a bike will rev over 6k rpms.
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Well, for that kind of money I'd probably opt for a Ducati XDiavel for my next cruiser.
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You've certainly given me some good reasons why I shouldn't waste my time reading CT and Lenny.
I'd like to read a ride writer who's ridden more than just a few Harleys. The nuances between a Classic and Limited don't really interest me. Especially from a guy that seems shocked that a bike will rev over 6k rpms.
Then you read what you wanted in that and not what was actually intended.
I didn't say he only rode Harleys and more importantly he's far from the only writer there.
And I didn't read any shock. I read a well written observation noting the differences in tuning.
But do as you will.
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I took the review as a new rider to Moto Guzzi with a preference to HD's. There was a reference to an Indian but I didn't pay to much attention to his comments on that. As for his review, entertaining but then again the bike doesnt' appeal to me. The 1400 Eldo does.
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Gotta have a 21 and no front brake. .
Front brakes are dangerous! They'll flip you over the bars!
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Well, for that kind of money I'd probably opt for a Ducati XDiavel for my next cruiser.
Wow, that's a different market segment...
There is nothing about a Diavel that is anything like a bagger. 'Cruiser' is a bit of a stretch on that bike. I have an original Diavel and would never try to tell someone it's a cruiser. The X has forward-ish pegs, but again...
The MGX went right after the money making market for HD- baggers. Let's see if they can steal some sales. I doubt anyone who would consider a Diavel would have thought twice about the MGX
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Indeed, try ridding a Diavel for 300 400 miles to a rally!
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Chad, if someone was offering me their Duc, I'd try to suffer the ride. :laugh:
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Ok, but rest assured, no one will. :laugh:
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When I bought my Touring at the end of 2014 the choice was the Touring or the Custom and I fell in love with the Touring, buying with no test ride and only relying on reviews that turned out to be spot on. I tend to be practical which I have since found most other Guzzi owners to be. The wind protection and bags were good for me.
The Custom seemed like more of a muscle bike as well as the Audace which is cool but not my personal taste. I love the Eldorado but would have probably still purchased the Touring for wind protection and bags.
When the MGX 21 came out I thought it was way too far out but the more I see it the more I like it, but still not my style. All the bikes are obviously on the same basic platforms with trails different mostly because of the different front wheels.
It seems that the bike is well liked for a variety of reasons including handling, power plant and all that carbon fiber!. The funny thing is that they make it like this power plant and handling is all new, like they never rode a Touring which has great handling, the same power plant, better wind protection and bigger bags. Less style but more practical.
All of this is obviously personal preference and variety is a great thing. I think its great that Moto Guzzi is finally actually trying to market something with some degree of effort and hopefully will reap the rewards. It's hard to switch someone's brand loyalty including mine but they definitely got some loyalists thinking.
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I'm hoping at some point someone does a comparison test ride between the California Tour and the MGX21. I think the Tour might be the better choice for touring because of the larger more normal shaped bags but I prefer a fairing over a windshield and I really don't like all the chrome. They both have the same small fuel tank that just seems a strange design flaw for a touring bike. I also prefer the double gauges over the single one. It's obviously still very early so we shall see.
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I think that a review by Mick Walker would help. :rolleyes:
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Sturgis, er Deadwood 2016. :boozing:
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When are you guys going to take delivery of your new MG?
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When are you guys going to take delivery of your new MG?
Brookside is having an unveil Friday evening, so I'm sure Luap will have his this weekend...
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Just rode the new MGX-21 at Sturgis introduction. All I can say is "WOW". Might be time to liquidate my collection for one new scoot.
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Wonder how long this thread will stand?
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Let's do keep the MGX 21 discussion on this thread , thanks .
Dusty and Rocker
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Just rode the new MGX-21 at Sturgis introduction. All I can say is "WOW". Might be time to liquidate my collection for one new scoot.
Would love to hear more?
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:grin:
Maybe it should have been signed Rocker and Dusty . LOL .
Dusty
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When are you guys going to take delivery of your new MG?
Just got off the phone with Paul at Brookside. Friday's falling apart for me due to work conflict and he's up in the air on the unveil thing anyway. Tentatively, I'll be at Brookside Thursday at opening to see if I want it. If so, I'll bring it home Thursday.
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anddddd another review. I guess I missed the front wheel almost being solid or does it have a carbon fiber cover??? "bagger styled sport tourer" :grin:
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-review-from-sturgis?cmpid=enews081616&spMailingID
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When I bought my Touring at the end of 2014 the choice was the Touring or the Custom and I fell in love with the Touring, buying with no test ride and only relying on reviews that turned out to be spot on. I tend to be practical which I have since found most other Guzzi owners to be. The wind protection and bags were good for me.
The Custom seemed like more of a muscle bike as well as the Audace which is cool but not my personal taste. I love the Eldorado but would have probably still purchased the Touring for wind protection and bags.
When the MGX 21 came out I thought it was way too far out but the more I see it the more I like it, but still not my style. All the bikes are obviously on the same basic platforms with trails different mostly because of the different front wheels.
It seems that the bike is well liked for a variety of reasons including handling, power plant and all that carbon fiber!. The funny thing is that they make it like this power plant and handling is all new, like they never rode a Touring which has great handling, the same power plant, better wind protection and bigger bags. Less style but more practical.
All of this is obviously personal preference and variety is a great thing. I think its great that Moto Guzzi is finally actually trying to market something with some degree of effort and hopefully will reap the rewards. It's hard to switch someone's brand loyalty including mine but they definitely got some loyalists thinking.
Bud, You hit it spot on!!! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :bow: :bow: :bow: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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There was little they didn't like about the bike. Praised the handling, the cosmetics, engine performance, etc.
Bob
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A link is most helpful. You are welcome.
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-review-from-sturgis
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A link is most helpful. You are welcome.
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2017-moto-guzzi-mgx-21-flying-fortress-first-ride-review-from-sturgis
Thanks :thumb:
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Well I passed one near Brevard NC this past weekend. You can easily spot those redheads coming towards you :thumb:
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A good read. :thumb: Thx.
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The Guzzi is on the front cover of the magazine. :thumb:
The new Harley engine just makes the left bottom corner. :whip2:
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Hey All
There is a favourable review of the Guzzi Bagger in Motorcycle Mojo magazine this month.
Their worst complaint was the heavy steering at parking lot speeds. Also noted were the smallish paniers and their inability to figure out the ABS settings.
I still think it's fugly, but each to their own.
Cheers!
G
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Just saw one in the flesh on my way after work today. What a beast. I really like a lot of it and I guess the rest would grow on me, only thing I thought was odd was the front wheel..
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As has been stated in previous threads, it looks much better in person. i think due to the non-reflective carbon fiber, etc., it is difficult to photograph well. This is Luap's at the recent Okie rally.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/crJRGF/DSCN1034.jpg) (http://ibb.co/crJRGF)
GliderJohn
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The 1st 125 miles felt good today into Reno, up Geiger Grade to Virginia City, down Six Mile Canyon Rd & backhome on U.S. 50. It is indeed a sport tourer in bagger guise. The 21" front wheel is more noticible at slower speeds & requires a bit more of a push on the inside bar in the curves but any new bike requires a get acquainted period. The bike feels GOOD. Exceleration is immediate & strong. The pulses seem more frequent & less intrusive than the H-D FLD I traded (which I liked & did a lap of the U.S. on this summer). The early 2 niggles I noticed today was no self canceling turn signals. Not a big factor but a bit of a surprise with all the gadgetry. BUT most noticeble was the almost lack of a horn. I can yell louder. The cruise is a bit abrupt when canceling but again, just an adjustment. Again, the bike feels GOOD & I'm glad I made the move.
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BUT most noticeble was the almost lack of a horn. I can yell louder.
Must be a modern Guzzi thing. My 8V Norge horn is the same. The first time I needed it at speed I could not hear it and thought it was not functioning. When I tried it at zero speed with engine idling I could barely hear it. Very un-Itialian like.
GliderJohn
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The early 2 niggles I noticed today was no self canceling turn signals. Not a big factor but a bit of a surprise with all the gadgetry. BUT most noticeble was the almost lack of a horn. I can yell louder. The cruise is a bit abrupt when canceling but again, just an adjustment.
I don't understand why Guzzi wont install a real horn. I've had to upgrade every horn for every Guzzi I've had (10 so far). For my MGX, I went with the Wolo from O'Reilly. They're a direct mount, they're red, and they're loud. See the picture above. They match so well they look factory. Here's a link: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WLO0/3082T/N0206.oap?ck=Search_universal+horn_N0206_-1_-1&keyword=universal+horn&pt=N0206&ppt=C2418 (http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WLO0/3082T/N0206.oap?ck=Search_universal+horn_N0206_-1_-1&keyword=universal+horn&pt=N0206&ppt=C2418)
The cruise is a bit tricky, but I've learned to cancel by tapping the front brake. It's much more smooth. Plus, I've noticed that with miles it gets better as well. I remember reading in one of the reviews that they wish the bike had a resume. I was pleased to discover that holding the cruise button up for a second is the resume function. Nice.
Only two things that didn't make sense to me were the stupid USB port that won't charge a device and the lack of a 12V accessory plug. I remedied that by yanking the USB port out and putting my Walmart LED running light rocker switch in that compartment and installing a 12V plug on the left handlebar. Now I'm set.
This is quickly becoming my favorite Guzzi behind my 98 EV that I sold with 90K miles on the clock.
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The turn signals on my 1400 Eldorado are self cancelling, are you all SURE the MGX-21 does not?
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When I wasn't sure if they canceled or not I purposely left them on after a couple turns & rode further than it would take to typically self cancel before canceling them myself.
This bike feels SO GOOD underway!😀
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Interesting. I just checked & my USB port has no power either. I like things to work as designed so need to find out what's up with the USB ports. Anybody else besides Laup & me?🤔
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Oh boy........dealer warranty work???? :grin:
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Interesting. I just checked & my USB port has no power either. I like things to work as designed so need to find out what's up with the USB ports. Anybody else besides Laup & me?🤔
Easy.
They are set up to talk to the entertainment system, but not set up to also charge the device.
Working as designed.
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Okay......I withdraw my last comment. :tongue:
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Aaaaah, another validation why the wife or kids always followed me or laughed when I wanted to use the computer.😕
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Luap, did you go with the MG aux lights? Where did you place them? Could you post a pic of them & the horns please? Thanks.
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Gotta love the red horns. I have their compact air horn in one package.
https://www.grainger.com/product/3FHX5?gclid=COmD-MGf_M8CFUGTfgodOLkD6Q&cm_mmc=PPC:GOOGLEPLAA-_-Fleet and Vehicle Maint
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Luap, did you go with the MG aux lights? Where did you place them? Could you post a pic of them & the horns please? Thanks.
No way was I going to spend another $600 on the light kit. I installed a 4 LED 20W system from Walmart. Paid less than $30 for them. I didn't buy them necessarily to see better, but to be seen better. They are very bright though.
Here's a couple photos. The red horns were a direct mount. Took < 5 minutes tops. The lights took a little time, but with the way the fairing folds it made it clean. I mounted them to the bottom of the fairing using heavy duty 3M double-sided tape that holds up to 30 lbs, to avoid drilling in this $22K beast. I ended up putting the rocker switch (illuminated red) inside the usb cover. Part of me wishes I shimmed it out to where when I closed the USB lid, it would kill the running lights. May be a winter project.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fvGSqa/IMG_2491.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fvGSqa)
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Thank you Luap! I suspect you had to spacer the new horns since they're larger & don't recess in the OEM horn space?
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Thank you Luap! I suspect you had to spacer the new horns since they're larger & don't recess in the OEM horn space?
Nope. They mounted right up.
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Interesting. Mine are on and sound great! But....mine weren't a direct mount. They hit the plastic center cover so with 9mm spacers they're good to go. Thanks for the heads up!
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No way was I going to spend another $600 on the light kit. I installed a 4 LED 20W system from Walmart. Paid less than $30 for them. I didn't buy them necessarily to see better, but to be seen better. They are very bright though.
Here's a couple photos. The red horns were a direct mount. Took < 5 minutes tops. The lights took a little time, but with the way the fairing folds it made it clean. I mounted them to the bottom of the fairing using heavy duty 3M double-sided tape that holds up to 30 lbs, to avoid drilling in this $22K beast. I ended up putting the rocker switch (illuminated red) inside the usb cover. Part of me wishes I shimmed it out to where when I closed the USB lid, it would kill the running lights. May be a winter project.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fvGSqa/IMG_2491.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fvGSqa)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/bZt7qa/IMG_2492.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bZt7qa)
Can you let me know what you mean by "but with the way the fairing folds" ?
What bolts do I need to release so that the fairing folds over?
Thanks